♪ ♪ ♪ >>> up next, we talk with albany law school professor paul finkelman about the practice of kidnappingen from the north and sending them south during the 19th century. he also discusses the widespread practice of renting slaves and how this tied non-slave owners to the slave system. professor finkelman has taught classes and written about the slave trade for many years. this interview takes place at the organization of american historians meeting in milwaukee. it's about 20 minutes. >> american history tv is at the annual meeting of the organization of american historians in milwaukee. and joining us is paul finkelman, who is a professor of law and public policy at the albany law school. thanks for being here. >> oh, it's a delight to be with c-span. >> and you are here because you're participating in a panel that's called new perspectives on the 19th century slave trade. >> right. >> what did you talk about in your discussion today? >> well, the panel talked about two pieces of the slave trade. one was the kidnapping of black children from mostly philadelphia but also other places whe

and joining us is paul finkelman, who is a professor of law and public policy at the albany law school. thanks for being here. >> oh, it's a delight to be with c-span. >> and you are here because you're participating in a panel that's called new perspectives on the 19th century slave trade. >> right. >> what did you talk about in your discussion today? >> well, the panel talked about two pieces of the slave trade. one was the kidnapping of black children from mostly philadelphia, but also other places where they were free. and this is something that historians have known a lot about, but there has not been very much research. and so two of the panelists were able to discuss research that is ongoing about kidnapping gangs. and this is really kind of an early version of trafficking people because you have free people who are grabbed off the streets, thrown into ships, taken to delaware, maryland, and from there, transported further south. >> because delaware or maryland would have allowed the slave trade? >> well, they wouldn't. what's interesting, it's illegal everywhere. kidnapping fre

meanwhile, new york had sent the albany county sheriff with 300 men to survey and seize the farms of settlers in the benington area who wouldn't budge. they stood with their guns at their sides in the fields until the posse went away. most of the posse were dutch which were then the british overlords and weren't about to cooperate and land riots had already been taking place in new york by this time. ethan allen as the chosen emsear went before the supreme court in albany and was basically left out of court and he wrote about it. he began writing about it about the rights and the claims of the settlers. he described the grandeur of the members with their long wigs and their beautiful robes in the middle of a wilderness. what he also knew was that the chief council for the royal province of new york owned 60,000 acres of vermont land. the chief judge owned 170,000 acres or was claiming to own in vermont and they all had conflicts of interest. so allen went back to benington and the leaders of the 29 settlements got together at a meeting at the catamount tavern which became the officia

from syracuse, just got hit, now heading for albany and upstate. far as we are going to deal with the worst of it appears to be down around philadelphia and baltimore. we see severe thunderstorm warnings all over the delaware valley. looks like the strongest of those storms is rolling through downtown philadelphia. they will roll through pretty quickly. it looks like baltimore, you have just avoided the worst of it in the downto area. north of the city is where we are seeing a stronger storm. as far as the new york city area goes, we are not looking at severe storms. a pretty strong line of storms is going to roll through. it looks like it is intensifying as it is over stat continue island. if you are traveling anywhere from new york city north wards including çconnecticut, it loo like over the next half hour, these storms will roll through and the rest of the morning commute should be just fine. another line up here near utica, new york. those will head around interstate 88, albany area. the heat wave is the big story. yesterday, four major citie

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school officials and, albany say that they are alarmed about what happened in albany and that they areoing to alter the policies. at what you're doing in our schools. we are agreed to allow for students to learn how to solve problems the there in ways other than using violence. will be talking to the administration. we care about kids. this is a very unusual occurrence at our school system. we did that we will do everything possible to make sure that that's happened again. >>mark: they're taking action against the girl assault did the other girl and are taking action against the person that film. >> doesn't act as a guest today if about four p m where a me train pot -- knock down the power lines. in three people were injured and were taken to the hospital. a surprisingly and not -- find. let's get to james for weather. >>james: it is still chilly out there. it is still let's the mid- 50s around area. it is love '50's and the upper '40's mostly in the north. half moon if bay is chili. there is a he spots that a starting to warm in the last hour. we will see more warming around 12:00 p.m

ever set fire to the home, but every time they did it, more would-be new york settlers went back to albany and swore out affidavits and there is a vast record of these atrocities or defense movements, however you want to characterize them and showing these claims and in four years as allen and the green mountain boys successfully held off new yorkers as they called them and after four years, ethan allen and his officers were denominated outlaws. the new york provincial assembly passed a law putting a price of 100 pounds sterling which was an awful lot of money at the time and 50 on each of his captains. allen's response was to put a price on the head of the attorney general of new york should he dare to come into vermont territory, but if he had been caught at any time he could have been hung without a trial and it was a very serious thing, and it became law. what i mean by that is he was the first to come up with the idea that lake sham plachamplaiy to the defense of new england and other colonies. so when word came of lexington and concord, ethan allen sent a letter to oliver woolcot of

to simply raise taxes on these which seems to me like a far more rational approach and it went to albany and guess what all the politicians got bought off by the sugar industry or by the high fructose no no no man has bought off this board he has appointed everyone on this board so he can push some more of his own ideas so we can push oh i agree with you on that lays it down that i agree with you on that or the board does not have the power to raise taxes i mean as i said in my opinion a more rational approach to this abuse say oh you want that thirty two ounce drink well it's going to cost you the same price as two sixteen ounce drinks right now the thirty two ounce drink is cheaper right make it raise the tax on it so it costs the same price and at that point people would say you know sixteen ounces is just fine or all takes two of the sixteen but he couldn't do that because only albany only in the state capital do they have the power to raise taxes and they refused to do it how is he going to save money out of new york like you and your clients. i think he is overreaching and i think

>>pam: and albany high school student is recovering after being insulted of the school campus. this is a picture of the ambulance taking the girl to the hospital. kron4 has learned that a freshman students attacked the senior as a group watched in prevented others from breaking up the fight. this comes on the heels of a bullying incidents. >> we really want to take cablecasts what we are doing in our schools. what we doing that will allow students to help learn to solve problems in ways other than using the violence. >> this superintended also says this all will fall during to expel the student involved in a fight in looking complete taking action against the suitor the video clip the fight. half >>pam: this is the last time crews will search of the was a war in the case of sierra lamar. >> we are looking at anything and everything we can. half och assess half >> despite the sheriff's department decision to sell answer to the waterways in the sierra lamar days, and with the lamar also has said he was confident of the volunteer search look continue until she is found. all more d

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to i mean, to go from new york city ba albany, new york. if you took a horse it would take you three days on your own horse or and a coach. if you took a boat, up theee hudson, that would take three rt days if the wind was right. if the wind was bad it could take you a couple, you know, tef days to give from new york city to albany. you know, and on the train, it's like it's a few hours. so, yes, there are restrictionsg that come from not being able to get around. but the flip side of that is what they did know, they knew very well. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> here is a look at some books being published this week. nationally syndicated radio and former fox news host glenn beck argues that several issues are not getting the attention that they need a politicians and the media in cowards, what politicians, radicals, and the media refused cent. in twilight of the elites america after meritocracy, christopher hayes, washington d.c. editor of the nation analyzes what the public has developed such a distrust

the news when it comes to criminal activity. crooks vvndalized and robbed his family'sspawn shop in albanyen monday niiht and tuesday morniig.this comes after he was just released from the hospital because he underwent the much needed surgery to remove large kidney stonee. according to mz-the thieves ttok aboou $4,000 worth of merchandise including handguns, lat-screen television sets, neckkaces, rings, antique pieces and reeister, 3 i'm haapy to tell you that a woman from baldwin maryland is now a big time star on the hii pox show master chef with goodon ramsay.helene leeds made it to the top 18.this is a picture of her when she camm to visit us on fox45 morning nees..you can see herrwhen masserchef returns at 9pm on monday. 3 stunning crimes caught on camera... a toddler gets thrrwn from a ccr... and daredevils tty to pull off aastunning highway rob. robbery.plus... it's monkey- see monkee-do... all the fun these two are having... caught on camera next. you're watching fox 45 good day baltimore. (( a toddler gets ejected from a car... theives literally try to pull off a highway pobbery..

off brunswick, another line going through south central alabama exiting dothan, heading south of albany, georgia a cluster of storms with lightning. that is about it. not a lot of bad weather this morning, showers coming down through northern portions of upstate new york. showers in the mountains of west virginia down to virginia and north carolina, as far as texas goes, a little cluster of thunderstorms by abilene, as we go throughout the afternoon, only one area of concern, we may get a few tornadoes out of this, too, talking northeast colorado and extreme western portions of nebraska, denver area the biggest threat should be possibility of large hail, maybe a little bit of damaging winds. the forecast for your wednesday, i think the summer temperatures beginning to return to the mid-atlantic and warmer and beautiful in the great lakes. that is a look at the wednesday forecast, here is a look at weather outside your window. nashville, tennessee, that is a gorgeous day you know summer heat and humidity will return sooner or later, low 80s and lower humidity levels just about perfect. a

and he's up in albany and there are two cultural things happening, and then of course they leave theke -- and that's the horror show. >> in both situations, you could say we're wasting human potential, right, in arresting people -- if barack obama had been arrested when he was part of the chum gang in hawaii he would not be president, he wouldn't have gone to columbia he wouldn't have been a lot of things. >> in most cases, you're also wasting a lot of taxpayer dollars from the health care costs, and i'm with you on the soda ban. i am there. i'm not quite as outraged as you are. >> i think it's a good idea. >> there's health care and then there's imprisoning people for marijuana possession. when you look at the two, which one is actually less healthy? soda is actually less healthy for people. >> so john stewart is right. we should run a test. >> the comedian's false equivalency. we're a super sized nation of fattyies fatties. we need to do something to slim it down. >> were you smoking before? >> he just had -- that was a d.r. show performance art -- yeah, that was a little jammed. a

. >>> to the albany county correctional facility. check out the video we got from the timesunion.com. an inmate in a holding cell, sits down on the bench and a little uncomfortable. especially in the crotch area. >> oh! >> is this -- >> make me look. >> intimate moment? >> not exactly. 38-year-old andrea. >> what the heck. >>she'sgind sheriff deputies say that this woman had a condom full of 256 prescription pills, one popped out and that caused this pharmaceutical explosion. >> look at that. >> on the floor of the cell. >> where was it? was it just in her panties? >> the condom with the prescription drugs and four bags of heroin was stuffed in her most intimate of female places. >> i think you know it as the -- >> i've heard you call its -- >> where the sun don't shine. >> not there. in the -- >> okay. >> yeah. >> they are falling on the floor and now she's trying to like sweep them under the bench with her feet. >> did it bust? did it open? >> the condom split. one pill got out. that's what she was trying to do to readjust herself

nine people were arrested at the gill tract in albany and booked for unlawful assembly and trespassing. a spokeswoman for the alameda county d.a said that charges against seven of those protesters have now been dismussed quote in the interest of justice. >>> the u.s. transportation secretary today awarded california more than $1 million to crack down on distracted drivers. details of the federal grant were announced today in sacramento. the money will go toward a new nationwide program called phone in one hand, ticket in the other. >> california will be receiving about $1.5 million in federal support for this project. now these funds will go toward increased law enforcement, more media, and good solid scientific evaluation. >> california and delaware are the first two states in the nation to receive the federal dollars. the u.s. transportation secretary ray lahood said the money is as an incentive to get states to get tough on the measure. and you can go to ktvu.com to learn on why you should wait to text. >>> the antioch school board is not giving up on a bond measure to renovate one

decided not to file charges against seven people were arrested during a occupy the farm protest in albany. the seven were arrested last month outside of a 10 a. plot of land that was the focus of protest, two others were arrested on the property that is owned by uc-berkeley and they could still face charges of trespassing. >> kanye west turns 35 today but that is not all ideas celebrating. sneaker in tuesday as have been lining up for days with the hope of snapping up his new limited edition nike shoes and they're willing to pay nearly $250 per pair. but patrick shows us that is pocket change to what they're going for online. >> they were designed by kanye west. >> that we did all my for the last four nights to get their hands on the latest must have. the nike sneaker designed by kanye west. >> i will let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. >> you may remember him from his upper seventies the chasm at the mtv movie awards a few years ago and now his of shoes are fetching big bucks, as much as $80,000 on e-bay. >> nowhere! >> on market street there are two dozen

out of school at age 12, making him his assistant and together this pair traveled every year from albanyw orleans, savannah to cincinnati, while the father acted, the son was a valet, but he was also a guardian. junius was an incurable alcoholic. if he drank too much or found his way to a tavern, he could refuse to perform that night, or if he did go onstage, he would break down midperformance weeping and screaming, or he'd give all of his income for the evening april way to strangers. it was edwin's job to keep this man out of taverns, on time for his performances and disciplined. it was not work for a child. john wilkes envied this job. he said it was golden holiday for his brother to do this. he never understood what this reality was like for edwin. edwin's childhood was miserable, missed education but as training as an actor, the experience as ideal. his father performed all the main roles and edwin absorbed and internalize everything he watched from behind-the-scenes. meanwhile, john was at home in maryland with their mother watching her endure more public humiliation for, of course

this front sags later today, south georgia or savannah to tallahassee, jacksonville, montgomery, albanya, to macon, a slight risk of severe thunderstorms. the biggest threat is damaging winds and large hail. here's how the forecast looks for tuesday. a chilly start to the day in new england. you'll have a good deal of sunshine early. it's so cold the sun's going to warm the air up. the air will turn into clouds and showers as we go throughout the afternoon. i mentioned the threat of storms in the southeast. lynn, also windy. our friends in vegas and wyoming could deal with 60-mile-per-hour winds and high-wind warnings. a little bit of everything today, nothing too life-threatening. >>> rocky flying for airline stocks. disney stakes a stand with child viewers. the reason you may find it harder to get an empty seat on your way to work. the "first look" at business headlines is straight ahead. my mother froze everything. i was 18 years old before i had my first fresh bun. the invention that i came up with is the hot dog ez bun steamer. steam is the key to a great hot dog. i knew it was goi

and for albany, georgia, a few more showers and storms for you. we'll see more strong storms late today around colorado. it's still cool up in new england, temperatures in the 40s and 50s, your last chilly morning. we'll warm it up from here. and some of the warmth that was in texas yesterday spread northwards, it's going to warm up the great lakes through your afternoon. as far as the weather map goes, it's very quiet for this time of year. the best chance for severe storms, northeast portions of colorado, from denver to fort collins, out into nebraska, we could see a few tornadoes late today in rural sections of northeast colorado or out towards western nebraska, i don't expect a big tornado outbreak. your forecast for this wednesday, a pretty quiet day. there will be afternoon showers and storms from new england southwards down to washington, d.c. and new york, but they'll be hit-and-miss, just like yesterday afternoon. most of the day will be dry, it will be sunny and nice, we could get a 20-minute shower or storm late in the afternoon. the so

near 80 in albany. but low humidity, philadelphia to new york to boston.ll be a mix of sun and clouds, but it will be dry and better than yesterday. you want to talk about a gorgeous weekend, as we head through father's day, look at hartford, connecticut, 79 on saturday, sunday, 76 and sunny. the mid-atlantic is going to be very nice. it will be a little warmer in the southeast with the sunshine this time of year. 87 in atlanta with low humidity. it will be warm in the afternoon, in the shade it will be nice. chicago is going to be entitle 90s this weekend so the heat will get turned up a notch for father's day. >>> a new development in hollywood so-called most civilized divorce. >>> plus the controversy continues, a second miss usa contestant is claiming the pageant was rigged. >>> your "first look" at entertainment is straight ahead. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. ♪ pop goes the world ♪ it goes something like this ♪ everybody here is a friend of mine ♪ ♪ everybody, tell me, have you heard? ♪ [ female announcer ] pop in a whole new kind of clean w

. >> reporter: massachusetts judge steven albany, thensed the maximum sentence. 2 1/2 years behind bars on 18-year-old aaron deveau, for texting and driving, causing a head-on collision. deveau apologized. >> i made a mistake. and if i could take it back, i would take it back. >> reporter: this, after the victim's daughter tearfully addressed the court. >> i would wake up at night. and i would look for him and he wasn't there. >> reporter: deveau will also lose his license for 15 years. a license he only had for five months prior to the fatal accident. phone records show he received four text messages in the minutes before the crash. the last two, at 2:34 and 2:35 p.m. according to prosecutors, the collision occurred at 2:36. >> you weren't distracted by the cell phone you were using and texting? >> that is my testimony, yes. >> reporter: but each text takes a driver's eyes off the road for approximately 4.6 seconds. it's like driving an entire football field blindfolded. look at this bus driver. one glance down at his phone. enough to distract him and cause this crash. 39 states, plus

or you go to washington or to the state or to albany and you talk to them. or you get an initiative petition going. we're in the mess we're in because the american people haven't said stop it. and it's time to say stop it. >> yeah. just to add a couple of things to that, i was thinking about -- when you asked your question, harry, i was thinking about fred newman, a founder of this movement who passed away a year ago, and he wrote a book, a number of years back called "the end of knowing." which is a wonderful book. and has so many important ideas in it. one of the things that he wrote about in that book and not just in the book but which he practiced very much in his organizing was the idea that cultural transformation doesn't happen in an orderly fashion, if that's what you're talking about, it actually occurs out of chaos and out of all kinds of new things happening in the context of chaos. and i feel very close to this, and i was thinking about open primaries and talking to mickey, you know, so many of the discussion about this particular structural poli

seven points russell westbrook with twenty three and james harden with twenty the spurs manoj in albanyadded a whopping thirty four points however that was still not enough as oklahoma now take a three two series lead ahead of game six which takes place on wednesday on their home court. we just play harder play more together. twenty two says you know it was great controlling the whole game both as a floor. you know we kind of follow his lead you know in which is plan together man a plan. no one should leave everything on the floor you know you give yourself a good chance so you just gotta keep going. and that brings us to martial arts where the fight night showdown returns to the russian capital for the seventh time this thursday top of the bill will see one of russia's best heavyweight prospects vitali call facing american sanchez twenty nine year old is the vastly more experienced of its competitors he's won thirteen of his nineteen fights and has competed on the world's biggest stage at m.m.a. promotion such as you see and balance or his russian opponent however is the three time wor

hello again and welcome to the show on our album in albany today my guest on the program. i thought. it was germany. russian president chose his destination for the first official visit outside but. what does this choice mean for the relations between russia and germany and between russia and europe in general europe which is now in the grip of an economic turmoil who asked this and other questions to a prominent expert and international relations in germany. but important travel plans have received a lot of media attention lately after him. and went to belarus and. germany. contra to visit. president germany has long been brushes. and one of the biggest markets. russia germany trade was worth the records. countries are also working together. which would deliver russia. to its first line was launched. hello mr brown welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us well first of all how was it seen here in germany that mr putin chose berlin as his first destination in europe first foreign destination outside the post have its place now we have two. schools of thoug

they were arrested for unlawful assembly and trespassing at uc beck lease track in albany. separately eight protesters are being sued by uc regions in an effort to ban them from trespassing at the site. now 4:458. an fbi investigation has led to charges against two bay area men. they're accused of rigging bids at auctions of foreclosed homes. the two real estate douglas and keith slipper of oakland both agreed to plead guilty to fraud. they're accused of secretly agreeing to withhold bids and cheating lenders and homeowners out of fair market prices. >> i wouldn't be surprised if it's happening far more often. it's just that these people probably did it so aggressively that they got caught. >> the two men are among 24 people who have agreed to plead guilty in the fbi investigation that covered auctions in san francisco, alameda and contra costa counties. >>> someone ripped off a special bicycle belonging to a disabled man hoping to hand pedal across the country. here it is, the $13,000 custom made bike was stolen from a home in san francisco yesterday. the owner is a 53-yea

albany, 55 cents. in the south. they're down 72 cents. this is moving quickly. a lot of people watching how long does it last. >> it's incredible. 16 states celling for under $3 a gallon. at this rate we can be under nationally by the fall. >> we did the math. average savings for a typical driver? >> this is significant. nearly $100 by summer's end. that's not even taking into account families taking longer trips. they could save even more. >> we know the gas price could be a factor in the race for president. tonight "your voice, your vote." mitt ramny will be in utah but most we won't see. he's hosting a secret retreat. who is there? here's david kerr limit >> reporter: all we've been allowed to see this short wave as the candidates' convoy traversed into the mountains near salt lake city to this swanky resort for the romney retreat. it is a who's who of the g.o.p. many of the possible vice-president candidates, pawlenty, portman, mcdonnell, jindal, ryan. are being joined by some of the parties' heavy weights john mccain, jeb bush, condoleezza rice, james baker

. >> reporter: massachusetts judge stephen albany then imposed the maximum sentence, two and a half yearsehind bars, on 18-year-old aaron deveau for texting and driving, causing a head-on collision that killed 65-year-old daniel bowley. today, speaking softly, deveau apologized. >> i made a mistake. if i could take it back, i would take it back. >> reporter: this after the victim's daughter tearfully addressed the court. >> i get up and go look for him and he wasn't there. >> reporter: deveau will also lose his license for 15 years -- a license he only had for five months prior to the fatal accident. phone records show he received four text messages in the minutes before the crash. the last two at 2:34 and 2:35. according to prosecutors, the collision occurred at 2:36 p.m. >> you weren't distracted by the cellphone you were using and texting. >> that is my testimony, yes. >> but each text takes a driver's eyes off the road for approximately 4.6 seconds. it's like driving an entire football field blindfolded. look at this bus driver. one glance down at his phone -- enough to distract him a

but there is also -- there are also places like albany, georgia, where the local sheriff outsmarted martin luther king in the civil rights demonstrations, or demonstrators, and as a result, they didn't get what they wanted. in other words, we talk about the successes, like birmingham. we also need to remember that there were failures. there were places where civil rights demonstrations simply didn't work. but i think there was something else going on. it's not just that sometimes they failed. it's the very u pick whichty of the demonstrations themselves. let me give you some figures to reflect on this. and i think you'll see both the prospect and the problem. by 1963, there had been over 2,000 civil rights demonstrations across the south. by 1963, by early 1963, there had been over 2,000 civil rights demonstrations across the south. let me pull up this image. by 1963, an estimated 150,000 people had been involved in civil rights demonstrations. talk about a grass roots movement. 150,000 people had been involved. by 1963, 10,000 people had been arrested. 10,000 people had been arrested. by

>> there are a growing small but growing number of other district attorneys around the country in albany county, new york, in philadelphia, in atlanta, dallas, who are really beginning to break ranks with the broader d.a.'s associations and call for various types of reforms for the drug laws and drug enforcement. i think that the -- one of the contexts that's so important here and people so often lose sight of is that this bill, 1506, is a small effort in the state of california and in the country of the united states to try to roll back the horrendous rates of incarceration that have happened in this country over the last 30 years. i mean, that's the context, right? the united states, i think most of you know these numbers now, but we're less than 5% of the world's population but almost 25% of the world's incarcerated population. we rank first in the world in the per capita incarceration of our fellow citizens. the russians are fading fast in second or third place together with the belarus people. the rates of the incarceration are five, six, seven, eight times than most in other societ

you know, somebody was up to albany and figured a way to make money on that. we know how those things get into laws. somebody demands it. it is a local decision. one of the things i think tocqueville would say is when you have local decisions, some of them are going to be stupid. they're not all going to be smart. some will be real dumb. >> some will be smart. >> and the sum total is going do things. they have to find ways to improve things better than you can. the french had a system of computer system called the mini tell in the 1980s and it was going to take over everything and so forth. that thing you got there is not a mini tele. it wasn't invented by central authority. >> one of the readings was king numbers by john randolph. i think if you go back over that, you'll see how much he takes from tocqueville or how similar. in "king number," he refers to the bear majority and how he's horrified at the notion that precedent, tradition and law can be overturned by a mere majority appealing to an abstract principle. though that principle is not one that has bee

>> we have a week to go in the legislative session in albany.omprehensive approach. education is a very important tool, i understand that. i think at the same time, we need to make cyberbullying a crime. randi, when 70% of the respondents in my survey state that cyberbullying should be a crime, these are young people, that means they know that presently it's not. and when we pass criminal justice legislation, it has a chilling effect. and i believe if young people know it's going to be treated as a crime, a class a misdemeanor they won't commit acts of cyberbullying. i think we need to have that comprehensive approach. education is important. >> mainly it's a slap on the wrist. even in cases where -- i covered a story in florida not long ago where a girl had been cyberbullied and ended up hanging herself in her bedroom. you know but nothing happens to these kids and they had bullied her on facebook. >> you're absolutely right, randi, and it is a problem and we have to deal with it as such. we have to move away from the whole punishing 14-year-ol