we'll hear from attorney general pam bondy and alberto gonzalez. stay with us.long island town will have to shell out a thousand green backs if their green lawn is not cut. they are fining people 20 bucks for using profanity. they are going crazy. >> i don't know what is these municipal lawmakers are making. they are broke . so instead of fixing the problem, they fine us for all of the things. this is not the way to do this by the way. and my money stays with me. i spend my properly. >> but wayne, people are not following the letter of the law. it is now fined. >> people make the law in their community. and pull great people together and they make decisions of how behavior should be. they are entitled to do that. they vote for that. that's what should be f. they don't like it. vote against it. you do certain things in the community. pudon't like it move against. >> christian. >> 80 percent of the town voted to make it a fine. and if $20 is going to be the penalty for cursing. i think people are probably not going to curse. if a thousand is the result of letting

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bush's attorney general, michael mu casy and alberto gonzalez before that. what's the difference between what republicans are doing to eric holder right now and what the democratic majority did to michael mukasey and alberto gonzalez? >> well, i -- in the house, our con term. of congress was addressed to josh bolton. i can't speak to the other cases. they never came to a vote on the senate floor. in the house, however, we did take a vote on the floor and the circumstances are quite different. we were talking about political intervention in the hiring of u.s. attorneys or having them retain their positions, the political intervention from the white house & in a very political manner. i think far be it from me to speak about this issue because our elija cummings was so very, very proud of him and the way he had conducted his role in the hearing yesterday, in a very fair way, in a very fair way, but the particulars of the cases are very different and as you know, we won our case and the court ruled in our favor, and i can only speak to our own experience in the

former attorney general alberto gonzalez said the answer may be yes.s raising red flags about the new order on immigration that would spare thousands of illegal immigrants brought here by their parents from deportation. he joins us tonight. good evening, sir. >> goo evening, greta. how are you. >> tell me your thoughts on the president's signing of this executive order and what is your problem with it? >> well, my problem is it's a temporary fix for a very complicated situation. i think most people will say that we need to have comprehensive immigration reform, and we need something that cannot be undone by the next president or by the next congress. you know, prosecutors, as you know, have a great deal of discretion in making charging decisions based upon charging policy, based upon circumstances, based upon law enforcement priorities and resources, but generally you don't exclude an entire class of individuals from being subject to the law, and i think in this particular case president obama had put himself in the pentagon where he is subject to crit

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>> this coming from alberto gonzalez. >> the torture czar. >> stephanie: all right.r a decade. first of all, we should be aggressive when asking questions. there was going to be no question and answer. >> where does it say you can't ask questions. it set yet but it is not constitutional. did he the right thing. >> stephanie: he did the right thing by interrupting the president. >> following etiquette. >> stand in the back with your hands in your pocket and yell at the president during a formal statement in the rose garden. that's do the right thing. he wasn't even taking notes. it wasn't even a question. it was a classic heckling. he was interrupting on purpose without even asking a question. >> stephanie: let's play it again just for people who haven't heard it yet. you decide. this is president obama in mid statement. >> obama: it is the right thing to do. excuse me, sir. it is not time for questions sir. not while i'm speaking. [birds chirping] precisely because this is temporary -- congress needs to act. and the answer to your question, sir, and the next time i p

and alberto gonzalez and the bush administration and question of firing u.s.neys and now we see it with eric holder and now going to a new level like we have never seen a attorney general held in contempt of congress. i find it unfortunate. >> but it is unfortunate, and maybe it is unfortunate that he's not forth coming enough. i can't sit here and know that there is manage to this and nor can juan know that there is nothing to it. it is presumed it is political and witch hunt. you find a witch in a witch hunt and we fund the witch and i don't know. and juan doesn't know if it is purely litical. that is a democrat index card and i recommend it not be played. if it takes a contempt or a threat of one that eric holder cough up thingings. >> i think it is important to understand that there is a constitutional distunction of oversight ability congress and legal justice department to prosecute people who may have broken the law. congress is not allowed to get involved that could end up in the court of law. it would damage the prosecution. but mark's specific questi

the argument these kinds of pros and the same thing about john ashcroft the same thing about alberto gonzalez the other party always attacks the attorney general. >> it is always politics. there is politics in everything the legislative and the executives do. that doesn't mean we shouldn't have this kind of over site. the last thing you want is executive that has everything they want. >> are you saying the tea party wants this rather than congress paying attention to the taxes we pay. >> this is a doctored digs that started with george washington. this is not a new thing. >> what about the precedent here? 215 years we have gone without contempt of congress. now it is over this. we know holder didn't kill agent terry president obama didn't. is it serious enough is it does it rise to the level of such profound constitutional import that it would be this extraordinary unprecedented first time ever act by congress? >> good answer, maybe. because it is not about what happened in fasz and furious. it's about the potential cover up after the february 4th, 2011, letter. that's the issue for the overs

. >> dana: alberto gonzalez did testify and turn over dock meants. >> bob: he testified and turned over -- >> andrea: bob, why don't we hear what president obama said in 2007 when he was asked about executive privilege. >> there has been a tendency on part of the administration to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there is something a little shaky that is taking place. i think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. >> andrea: greg? >> greg: yes. >> andrea: you heard the president basically contradicting himself. >> greg: i doesn't listening to him. >> andrea: oh, no. >> greg: i was thinking that eric holder should change his name to eric withholder. >> eric: nicely done. >> greg: this drives me crazy. i'm going to make a couple of points and then i'll get a glass of water. we had 2,000 weapons walk in to mexico which fueled cartel violence and killed hundreds of people. so why isn't president calderon commenting on this? he was willing to comment on this dream act but not the ream act this literally killed hundreds of his own citizen. >> dana: o

the argument these kinds of pros and the same thing about john ashcroft the same thing about alberto gonzalezther party always attacks the attorney general. >> it is always politics. there is politics in everything the legislative and the executives do. that doesn't mean we shouldn't have this kind of over site. the last thing you want is executive that has everything they want. >> are you saying the tea party wants this rather than congress paying attention to the taxes we pay. >> this is a doctored digs that started with george washington. this is not a new thing. >> what about the precedent here? 215 years we have gone without contempt of congress. now it is over this. we know holder didn't kill agent terry president obama didn't. is it serious enough is it does it rise to the level of such profound constitutional import that it would be this extraordinary unprecedented first time ever act by congress? >> good answer, maybe. because it is not about what happened in fasz and furious. it's about the potential cover up after the february 4th, 2011, letter. that's the issue for the oversight c

the move is criticized by the first latino attorney general of the united states, alberto gonzalez who served under george w. bush. he called the president's new policy, purely political. >> it does appear that this decision is politically motivated. certainly, one could make the argument. but we near a political silly season. >> eric: so, how will this change the presidential race? we have the former deputy assistant to george w. bush and a former congressman from texas. brad and martin, welcome. >> thank you. >> eric: brad, let me start with you. political ploy or merciful policy? >> this is a ploy. let's look at the timeline t. will be clear to the american people what this president is doing. in 2008, he's a candidate, he claims that immigration will be a top policy. he gets elected. what does he do days after he's elected? he addresses congress and promises immigration reform in the first year. there was no immigration reform. as a matter of fact, he ruled out of ideology, instead of reality and went with health care. now, three and-a-half years later, he wakes up. he's having tro

never occurred to me when i was press secretary to say that the actions being taken against alberto gonzalez, the attorney general at the time. i should have said that that was racist, because then i would haven't been asked more questions about it. they would have walked away and it would have gone away. darn it! next time! >> eric: andrea, we should stay on it, though. it isn't about race. it isn't about politics. it's about at least one dead border agent and another one jamie zapata, the ice agent who may be at the hands of a "fast and furious" type of gun. >> andrea: i think whenever they go to race it means they have run out of things to say on this one. >> greg: they want it to end. >> andrea: it's not going to. but they said a lot of things to this point. here is what is troubling to me about this. issa and holder sat down last week and holder said i will give you these documents. providing you don't bring a contempt vote to the floor. issa says no, i want to see the documents first. then he goes back, holder goes back to the white house, writes ago letter to the president asking him

. >> democrats in the bush administration demanded attorney general alberto gonzalez resign over the attorney general -- the u.s. attorney issue. and some other things that they complained about. he ultimately did and was cleared at the end. >> greta: talk about jay carney. how much supervision does he have? is he getting marching orders? >> i am assuming he is talking to a lot of lawyers. the press secretary, have you to be a mile wide and a mile deep on every issue. you are not necessarily a lawyer. the rules of executive privilege are quite complicated. there are rings around satern for who is protected and who isn't. one of the best things to do if you are not exactly sure of the law is to say, i will get back to you or invite a lawyer it come up and answer questions. >> greta: but he is getting directions from above, i assume? >> esure. i am sure he is looking for a lot of information and facts to provide information accurately. >> greta: they are not doing too well in the p.r. area. thank you. now to the campaign trail, governor mitt romney and president obama courting latino v

republican alberto gonzalez, the first attorney general argues a hispanic number two will not lure hispanicoters arg guring experience is key. the contenders mentioned most were elected to their posts only 18 months ago. >> i think governner romney is betted suiting to join somebody to the vice president who can be president on day one. >> still pointing out to cnn some states may be so close a latino running mate could make the difference. like in north carolina and virginia with a latino population doubled in the last ten years. one challenge in choosing a latino, hispanic-americans are very diverse. rubio is cuban-american. martinez, mexican-american. innocent latino community a potential culture clash. >> two thirds of the hispanics in the united states are of mexican descent. 4% cuban. very different, coming from different countries. different experiences. doesn't mean we'll be monolithic or vote together. >> reporter: the first rule of a vice presidential pick, do no harm. any potential running mate, latino or not, will have to face that test. especially after 2008 when john mccain ho

. >> what do you say to alberto gonzalez who was in charge of the vetting of john roberts? where do we go to get recourse for that investigating? do you have anything to say to him tonight? >> i think we need to get some clear answers about do you believe in the constitution? do you believe in federalism? do you believe in enumerated powers which is the limiting power of government? all that was thrown out the window today. that's why people are shocked by this decision. but, the bigger, more practical impact for the people watching the o'reilly show tonight and you, lauer, lauer, -- laura, for millions of people health insurance costs are going to skyrocket. we are going to get a lot less for it it's a very bad deal and a lot of people are going to lose their employer sponsored healthcare. >> laura: eric holder contempt vote, do you think there is a risk of this becoming a distraction from the economy from healthcare repeal and replace if this continues to domination the headlines as worthy an inquiry as it. >> no, not at all. this is a very important issue. no man is abov

alberto gonzalez didn't like the president's approach, because it was political and temporary. >> let'sk up the jeb bush statement. here's what jeb bush also said in his interview with bloomberg. he said that ronald reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad, they would have a hard time if you define the republican party and i don't as having an orthodoxy that doesn't allow disagreement. >> well, let's look at the facts. since ronald reagan the republican party has given its presidential nomination four times to the bush family. other times, to bob dole, john mccain and mitt romney, where's the extremist in that lot? now, jeb bush's father is celebrated today for a statesman ship, that consisted of breaking his promise to the american people of not raising taxes. austan, in the budget deal it was said for every $2 of -- every dollar of tax increase, would be $2 of spending cuts. we go through this all the time. if only people were more like ronald reagan. that wonderful libertarian kruj mon monn onon barry goldw

general and frankly, the same people who are going after eric holder are people who defended alberto gonzalezfaced a lot of legal problems, legal challenges, and investigations into his behavior. >> that's right. the politics here are an overriding factor. i mean, speaker john boehner and the house republican leadership, they're angry. they're angry that holder hasn't produced documents so they say listen, this is not politics, this is true policy, we feel like the attorney general has put us off, and the interesting thing will be how the department of justice handles this. but house republican leadership does feel there are elements within the leadership, some aides tell me, that they feel this is going to get them off message. they want to stay squarely focused on the economy. this is not the message they want. it could be seen as hyperpartisan and that's something they desperately want to avoid but there's really no way of stopping this right no almost every republican in the house republican conference, all 242, are likely to suprt this. so this train is moving full steam ahead and it's g

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when alberto gonzalez in 2007, cornyn said it was turning into a political witch hunt. he was upset that the leader of the effort was the chairman of the democrat senate campaign chuck schumer. cornyn said it quote, undermined the legitimacy of what is a legitimate inquiry. interesting. because now cornyn's now the chairman of the very same committee on the republican side and his buddies over at the republican national committee are actually using the fast and furious issue to raise money. let's not forget the senator's past experience. before senator cornyn came to washington, he was a district judge, member of the texas supreme court, and the texas attorney general. did a man with that kind of law background think we'd let him play by a different set of rules for his party? nice try. but we got you. ...the united states would be on that list. in 25th place. let's raise academic standards across the nation. let's get back to the head of the class. let's solve this. is non-stop to seattle? just carry preparation h totables. discreet, little tubes packed with big relief

. >> democrats in the bush administration demanded attorney general alberto gonzalez resign over the attorney general -- the u.s. attorney issue. and some other things that they complained about. he ultimately did and was cleared at the end. >> greta: talk about jay carney. how much supervision does he have? is he getting marching orders? >> i am assuming he is talking to a lot of lawyers. the press secretary, have you to be a mile wide and a mile deep on every issue. you are not necessarily a lawyer. the rules of executive privilege are quite complicated. there are rings around satern for who is protected and who isn't. one of the best things to do if you are not exactly sure of the law is to say, i will get back to you or invite a lawyer it come up and answer questions. >> greta: but he is getting directions from above, i assume? >> esure. i am sure he is looking for a lot of information and facts to provide information accurately. >> greta: they are not doing too well in the p.r. area. thank you. now to the campaign trail, governor mitt romney and president obama courting latino v

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