ali alexander is cooperating with the investigation of the riot.ficant. here's some interesting video. let's watch. >> i got a call from congressman gosar. >> i talked with mo brooks. we are talking personally. i've talked with his staff and him. who worked with whip up votes in the house with mo brooks. congressman gosar. congressman andy biggs but also let me know who the soft senators were because he briefed them in the steering committee. boom. >> you know, elie, how much useful information might they get from ali alexander? he's talking about working behind the scenes with various lawmakers. i assume they are none too happy to hear about, none too pleased to hear that ali alexander is cooperating with the feds here. >> yeah. no doubt, jim. but i am quite dubious about what ali alexander actually offers as a trial witness. he is eccentric, to be kind. he is a known conspiracy theorist. prosecutors are not making ali alexander plead guilty to a crime, which is what you do if you have a cooperating witness, who you believed had committed a crime

and that's what i suspect ali alexander is doing. why we cooperated. i cooperated because a man who i at protected for over a decade and longer decided that i should be the scapegoat for his dirty deeds. ali alexander is a completely different scenario. this is a guy who is obviously trying to financially benefit himself, and now it is not his best interest to continue to play as the, in the trump dumpster. right? so he is now cooperating. that's actually all of our obligation, to cool whopper eight with law enforcement, to cooperate with congress. think that you're not really seeing from the inner circle that surrounds trump. >> so, michael let's be clear. in this instance, ali alexander is claiming he doesn't really know anything. he says, i'm cooperating, but i don't really know anything of value. when it comes to you, though, you know this former president very, very well. but it seems like he hasn't faced any legal consequences for his the mentally lawless activity. michael, tell me. is there a roadmap you could provide that wou

explain the significance of ali alexander. >> it is significant.he stand but as a source of information, if you want to vin diagram this whole thing, i'm sure they are in the committee, you have a well developed january 6 but there's a question of stone shadow bridge to trump and the white house and all this stuff in congress and alexander has a lot to say about both things. he can really begin to fill in and show overlaps there. one more good point. the refrlts on contempts for a maximum of a year. somebody like scavino might say i'll do a year for the boss. alexander has leverage of 10 to 15 years and makes them talk and he has real information to give. >> i want to turn to reporting from maggie haberman reporting this on the text from donald trump jr. with the strategies to fight the outcome. it is clear that's significant to people looking at this as to what he lays out. we have a vote we control and we win or it gets kicked to congress january 2021. it is interesting they were looking to january 6 then. >> reading before and hearing alexander,

how big a deal is ali alexander's cooperation? nce alexander is downplaying his cooperation, i'll take that at face value until we hear more. he has the potential to be a real -- important witness, both for the january 6 th committee, and for the department of justice, which, of course, move on these parallel tracks, one political, one legal. alexander could talk about organization and coordination at the top, perhaps talk about people close to the president who were involved and new the details of the plans for that day, but we'll learn more, i suspect, as this goes forward. >> i'm glad you brought that up, joyce, because we have -- let's just listen to ali alexander explain his role in all this. >> i was the person who came up with the january 6th idea, with congressman gosar, congressman mel brooks and congressman andy biggs. we four schemed up of putting maximum pressure on congress, while they were voting, so that who we couldn't lobby, we could change the hearts and the minds of republicans who were in that body, hearing our

ali alexander, the individual you were showing pictures of, is cooperating. the justice department's way, according to the new york times reporting, that just crossed a few minutes ago. there is also the leader of the proud boys who pled guilty to conspiracy and assault charges in the january 6th capitol breach, and as part of his plea agreement, he has agreed to cooperate with the governments ongoing investigation. it does seem like -- that is from the department of justice side, that is not even the committee side, so it does seem like there is -- there are some very significant developments on that part of the investigation as well. thank you very much. coming up, it day of celebration for the democrats as president joe biden hosted the newest member of the supreme court at the white house, with democracy under threat on several fronts, one more democrats need to do to hold the power. plus, russia's latest attack kills dozens of ukrainian civilians trying to free fleet the invasion. how the west is responding, next. (thank you, have a nice day.) ♪ (trumpet

members and their offices are denying that they were involved in planning the rally which is what ali alexander said all of those months ago on that video. obviously they were involved with alexander in some way. he had to get the video from andy bigs to play somehow. and he did actually, there was a text message that mo brooks have made public from ally alexander, so they did have some interaction. but they deny they had any planning in the january 6 rally. i don't know how to characterize the mental state but they're trying to distance themself from the event that day to a certain extent. it is worth noting that mo brooks has come out just recently and said that president trump has continued to pressure him to try to overturn the election, even months later now. so his statements have been kind of all over the place on this. but, if these may well be questions that this grand jury may end up asking if they do continue down the path toward legislative branch. >> and jackie, it seems that liz cheney as recently as this week, i think it was in the rules committee meeting this week, ahead of the

tonight, signs that investigation is expanding with stop the steal founder ali alexander now cooperatingith the doj. while a referral could pressure attorney general merrick garland to open a criminal investigation into the former president, there's concern it could be used as political fuel for the gop ahead of the midterms. >> i think it's a lot more important to do what's right than it is to worry about the political ramifications. >> reporter: president trump has denied allegations he broke the law. we reached out to the committee, and they said they remain focused on providing answers about january 6th, and to help ensure that nothing that happened on that day happens ever again. and we've learned that steven miller will appear before the committee this week. >> alex, thank you. >>> next tonight, the state department is warning americans against traveling to china. and here's britt clennett, from hong kong tonight. >> reporter: tonight, the state department is urging americans to reconsider traveling to china as the country pursues a zero-covid policy with mounting restrictions and

in a sign, the investigation is expanding, stop the steal founder ali alexander is now corporating withce. a referral for criminal charges could be largely symbollible ic but it could pressure attorney general m criminal invn into trump. some are concerned that used as political fuel ahead of the mid terms. >> i think it's important to do what's right. >> foreman president denice aallegation that is he broke the law the january 6 committee remains committed to getting answers on behalf of all americans. >> shocking video coming out of florida is prompting appear investigation apply bi-police. a ride investigator got pin in a ride and officials are blaming bad timing. we want to warn you, this video mamay may have been disturbing the operate tried to grab a guests' hat that had fallen. they insist the ride did not malfunction. the man was freed. and is expected to be ok. >> i don't knobout frightening sound. terexplosion. a new york city power company says the explosion came from a manhole. smoke was seen coming from two other manholes. firefighters discovered elevated levels of carbon m

ali alexander, as you mentioned in your introduction has been subpoenaed, and windom is shepherding thatoena. whether or not there will be more people assigned to his particular team, remains to be seen don't forget, there are 140 federal prosecutors, assigned to the investigation writ large, and so the job here is to see what is the nexus between the people who are on the ground and the people who were away from that capitol ground. you know, i kind of think of it is suits and boots in a way. and so, a guy like thomas windom, is presumably working closely with other federal prosecutors, who are kind of steeped in the boots on the ground cases. so, we'll see kind of where that goes, as the days and weeks go on. >> we've just got about 90 seconds left here, which i regret greatly, but let me just ask you about what i've described as a sort of cynicism, the healthy skepticism about the attorney general saying that everybody involved at every level will face accountability here. what is your bigger picture view as to whether or not the justice department is willing to make even politically

meanwhile, stop the steal organizer ali alexander says he's cooperating with justice department investigatorse're joined by former fbi agent and author of "compromised," peter strzok. peter, true for being here on my first show. the january 6th committee, it has interviewed jared and ivanka. now we're learning about these don jr. text messages to mark meadows. you worked for the fbi. you ran some very serious and complex probes including the trump russia investigation. at this point, peter, what does it say to you that the investigation has gotten to people this close to trump, members of his own family and what kind of questions would you have for don jr.? >> hey, katie, good morning. first, congratulations on your show. thanks for having me on. it's a huge honor. this is the path i would expect the investigation to take, whether it's one being done by congress or the parallel investigation that the doj and fbi are doing. typically people at the bottom, you're more likely to gather information and start getting a better picture. as you move up the chain, you want to approach people having ba

stop the steal organizer ali alexander says he's now cooperating with the justice department. roger stone and at least three far-right congressmen. and leader of the proud boys has agreed to take the stand against other extremists. north carolina man is pleading guilty to a felony conspiracy, and for assaulting police officers during the capitol riot. all this as the guardian reports the proud boys and oath keepers likely plotted to attack congress. according to the guardian, the january 6th committee has growing evidence of the militia groups collaboration. and in communication with stop the steal figures, like alexander. joining me to discuss, the reporter who broke that story, hugo lowell of the guardian. and political national correspondent, betsy woodruff swan. she's also an msnbc contributor. hugo, talk to us about your new reporting. what has the january six committee learned about the conspiracy between extremist groups? >> yeah, so the january six committee this week has really crystallized its determination, or reaching its determination that the oath keepers and the

then earlier this month, he had the scoop that alex jones' fellow rally organizer, ali alexander hasrate with the justice department's expanded criminal inquiry or at least intending to comply with their subpoenas. and now, we have foyer's latest piece which reports on two highly significant and previously under reported developments. first, as allen foyer predicted back in january, the food chain thing has kind of worked when it comes to alex jones. his sort of right-hand man, his info wars media empire, was arrested for being one of the, allegedly being one of the capitol rioters but now mr. jones himself is reportedly in talks to testify, in talks with justice department prosecutors, about him giving his own testimony. alex jones in fact is reportedly seeking a deal whereby he says he will share what he knows with prosecutors in exchange with him, giving him immunity from prosecution himself. the first big piece of news from foyer today. the second big piece of news is that the justice department has brought on a veteran career federal prosecutor, specifically to oversee the inves

ali alexander said that we thought up the whole thing and roger stone's guys a pardoned thugs in theg make them feel it and so scared that they can't walk in the streets and gets to the point of evidence of violence is such a pattern echo that it is more dog catching the car. don't hurt anybody. protect -- this is more evidence of the plan to be violent and to overturn the results of the most secure, free and fair election in history. >> we have surprises in the news and this is a dog bites man story. i'm for anybody who's a dog trying to bite a man trying to overthrow an election and subpoenaing them and i will say to both, these both lawyers, i thought, yes, you can believe it is important and super fluous. claire said if you see this, this doesn't convince you -- i was convinced a long time ago. the evidence is clear. there's no heroes here. there's no men biting dogs here. no trump person saying something in the opposite. this is all a chorus to switch the metaphors, an ugly song all from the same songbook and to show how chorus it is more powerful. >> the bar is so low and an ou

a man named ali alexander is now the first high profile figure to be cooperating with doj and as we reportedofficer guilty on six counts related to his participation in the attack including felony obstruction of an official proceeding. an important conviction in an important case, one of just two that have gone to trial so far. joining our conversation, california congresswoman, zoe lofgren, a member of the january 6 select committee. thank you for being with us. i wonder if you can tell us if you meant for us to know that this bar has been reached. that you have enough evidence or if a product of needing to make some of these filings in the related court cases like the eastman case. >> i hate to say it, but i think the media coverage has been an error. "the new york times" headline didn't match the story. number one, the committee has never met to discuss the idea of whether or not to send a so-called referral to the department of justice. number two, we would not be in a position to have that discussion until the investigation is complete and we knew what it was that we were sending to the

if they'll grant him immunity coming two weeks after jones' close associate and rally organizer ali alexanderig remaining question on the january 6 select committee nearing the end of the investigation. whether or not to call former vice president mike pence to fill in the days of the phone call with ex-president trump. we are back with the panel. betsy, this is some of your reporting. explain. >> yeah. a biggest question that the committee faces now is whether or not to bring pence in. that's because pence has a monopoly on information regarding a most interesting and consequential conversations that he and president trump had on the phone around 11:00 a.m. on january 6. trump's side of the phone in the room, a number of senior white house officials but didn't put pence on speaker. people know what trump in that call but only person that knows what pence said is pence and to our knowledge didn't brief the aides including people close to him, long time trusted associates on what he said on that conversation. one thing we are told about that conversation that i think is worth highlighting is s

like kelly megs discussed plans to provide security for figures like roger stone, alex jones, ali alexander michael flynn on january 5th and 6th, describing potential partnerships with other groups and security details. the continuing threat posed by the big lie amid new revelations about the insurrection is where we start the hour. jackie is here, "washington post" congressional investigations reporter. also, charlie sykes and with us onset, mike schmidt, "new york times" washington correspondent whose byline is on the times reporting about the national desertification efforts. all msnbc contributors. mike, obviously what jumped out at us was the quote from the judge. explain who he is and the significance of his comments. >> so he is a leading conservative legal voice. he was someone who was considered by george w. bush to be the chief justice of the supreme court. he was an appeals court judge. he is someone that people on the right look to on major legal issues of the day. it was significant that around the time of january 6th, he came out and said that there was nothing to the eastman

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him >> ali, the man vladimir putin has appointed to lead his invasion of ukraine's general alexander dornoch of. that is the same man who he tapped to lead his intervention in syria, starting in 2015. devoid icon of carried on its presidents objectives with brutal official and see in syria. i cover that. war diverted cause succeeded in the battlefields in propping up the syrian dictator bashar al-assad. in the process, he and his forces flattened the city of aleppo, syria's second largest city. they killed thousands and thousands of sivs syrian civilians, but they got the job done as far as vladimir putin was concerned. this is a very worrying sign, if you are a resident of one of those ukrainian cities in the east under siege right now. mariupol, kharkiv. that a man who is prepared to use these kinds of tactics that is now at the head of the russian military in this country. as you said, the russian offensive is now switching to the east. we are seeing the focus there now. some new satellite images from maxar, showing an eight mile-long military convoy east of kharkiv. the latest si

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