government recognizes that the american university of afghanistan is the legacy of the american engagementey will do the right thing and help us to continue to get our students to safety. thank you. >> ian bickford, president of the american university in afghanistan, thanks for being with us this morning. >> thank you very much. >>> florida governor ron desantis, punishing schools in florida that have required students to wear masks. even as portable morgues are brought in to handle the overflow of coronavirus deaths. >>> plus, are florida residents beginning to turn on republican governor ron desantis over his handling of the pandemic? we'll look at those numbers next. i'm morgan, and there's more to me than hiv. more love, more adventure, more community. but with my hiv treatment, there's not more medicines in my pill. i talked to my doctor and switched to fewer medicines with dovato. dovato is for some adults who are starting hiv-1 treatment or replacing their current hiv-1 regimen. with just 2 medicines in 1 pill, dovato is as effective as a 3-drug regimen... to help you reach and sta

of next tuesday august 31 for american forces to leave. one of those places is the american university of afghanistan and it knows terrorism all sadly to well and professors, some killed in half and trying to get students out and help the staff patel event on campus. the chair and cofounder of the friends of the american university of afghanistan joining us now. how is it going? >> thank you and let me say my heart goes out to the families of the marine and afghan nationals killed in a horrible attack. >> we've been struggling over the last like much longer time than just about ten days to get our students, faculty and national staff out of the country. we were successful at getting them out. it's incredible difficult, i do want to get into any operational details but we are still on this. i might mention over 15 years ago this university was the dream of first lady laura bush, she helped get started her concept focus on education. reporter: the first not-for-profit electron securing university and history of the country. we started with men and one for ms., we now have undergraduates graduate professional development institute, here we 200

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of my family is in afghanistan. if i could be assured i would not be harmed, i would deftly go back. amy: haroun rahimi, assistant professor of law at the american universityafghanistan. he was en route back to kabul when he heard the news of the taliban takeover and at this point has stayed in istanbul, turkey. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as thousands of afghans attempt to flee afghanistan before the u.s. withdrawal on august 31, we turn now to look at how th trump admistration me it harder for afghans who worked with the united states to apply and receive what is known as a siv, a special immigrant visa. one former top aide to mike pence has placed the blame on trump's xenophobic advisor stephen miller. olivia troye recently tweeted -- "there were cabinet meetings about this during the trump administration where stephen miller would peddle his racist hysteria about iraq and afghanistan. he and his enablers across government would undermine anyone who worked on solving the siv issue by devastating the system at dhs and state." in recent weeks, stephen miller has repeatedly appeared on fox news to cr

host: joining us this morning from kabul, afghanistan, a lecturer at american university of afghanistan. you wrote a piece in the guardian recently about your decision to stay. tell us why. you had the opportunity to leave. why did he stay? guest: it was a complex decision. i recognized there were many more people much more deserving and in much more dire straits than i was, and i thought they should be prioritized. i had been helping facilitate the escape. i had already grown up in exile, and i am an aspiring poet as well. i had written a piece saying that i do not want to leave home . we have done this before. i didn't want to do it again, for better or worse. it is my country. i lay claim to the land, as much as or even more than the taliban do. so they will have to deal with people like us in this country. host: are you safe right now? guest: with regards to physical safety and security, at least the taliban says there is a certain blanket. for now, yes, i am physically safe, and i am hoping it stays that way. host: you are speaking out, though, against the taliban. would you classi

of hope in these very dark and difficult times, and hoping that this transition goes well for afghanistan's sake , for the international community's sake. host: obaidullah baheer, lecturer at the american university of afghanistan, thank you for your time this morning. >> what we do matters. i believe the 1776 project, that this project is an important historical moment. we need people to get behind us. we need to make sure our message reaches white, black, asian, hispanic. we need to fight for it. >> live, former professor invite chair of the 1776 commission, carol swain on in-depth. how critical race theory is burning down the house. join the conversation. your phone calls, facebook comments, texts, and tweets. live at noon eastern on c-span. ♪

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let's talk again to her own raheem assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins on skype from his stumble. harun, how patient is the taliban. how long are they prepared to wait here? i think they may be patient, but the time is running out. anyway. there are a lot of bad actors. a couple, a couple is to a lot of people with a lot of guards with a lot of armored vehicles and they're all afraid and they're panicky. not even if you don't consider the ordinary common nose or ordinary people. so the situation may require intervention. so hard, they're talking to the national security forces will couple in the meantime. so to take the time off and it looks like the kind of agreed to the natural duty for it would take couple in the meantime. but the question is whether the natural forces it won't hold, hold together or not impending one to take over means that may actually be targeted . and they may choose to abandon or post the players to make it more likely that will be targeted. thought about how that they will, they will not be of some sort, but how credib

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they are the student body of the american university of afghanistan. plosives carried out a ten hour rate on the university killing 15 people including seven students. it was rebuilt and reopened in march 2017. untilaugust 15 was rebuilt and reopened in march 2017. until august 15 when taliban fighters occupied the campus there were 1200 students and staff. so far only 50 have been able to get out. the university officially moved its campus this week to qatar and from joe hart we can speak to the president of the university. let's bring in dr ian bickford, president of the american university of afghanistan. hejoins us from doha, qatar. tell us about the students how many you spoke to how many want to get out. . ~ you spoke to how many want to get out. ., ,, , ., you spoke to how many want to get out. ., ,, i. ., you spoke to how many want to get out. ., ~' i., ., ., out. thank you for giving time to this important — out. thank you for giving time to this important matter. _ out. thank you for giving time to this important matter. we - out. thank you fo

contractor erik prince, but another private chartered jet, includes the president of your university, the american universi of afghanistan. >> i am no official spokesperson for the university. i am not sure how he flew out of the country. it was a very difficult and complicated task getting the faculty out of the country as well. i think if they are charging $6,500, that is amazing because i have actually had afghans who have reached out to me asking for $25,000 to move an old senile woman who had to travel. yeah, this is what you call shadow economy. the saddest part is, even in such economies were people are making money, the minorities, the weaker people of the population, this is supreme try -- disenfranchised are seeing none of it. the closer the deadline approach, the more people are getting desperate, the more willing they are to throw everything they have at the chance of leaving the country. honestly, there is something to be taken by the taliban as well. when they came into the city, a country that did not know them, and if they were truly concerned, they had to form a government, to rule out policies that real

assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. was enroute back to kabul when the taliban seized power. he joins us now from istanbul, turkey. professor, welcome to democracy now! it is great to have you with us. >> thank you. amy: can you respond to all that has taken place, the extremely fast seizing of the provincial capitals and then taking kabul without hardly a bullet? can you talk about the significance of the taliban victory, who they are, and what you expect? >> obviously, there's a lot to impact. the general of taliban to cover afghanistan, it is important have context here. the taliban have been growing in strength andhe government was losing ground for a very long time. undeying those, a series of problems sustaining the insurgency and weakening the government. also a military component, logistical and military issues and bad leadership that affected -- contributed. and toward the end, exacerbated even further and resulted in the quick collapse of afghanistan into the taliban hands. there was also a psychological compo

richard cox is here, former president nixon's grandson, on the board of the american university of afghanistan you. >> great to see you, eric. eric: with the taliban advancing, i mean, man, what do you fear this could portend? >> well, it's a redux of the 1990s in many ways. the taliban were what caused problems in the 1990s for us, provided save haven for al-qaida, threatened allies in the region and destabilized the region and ultimately led of to the 9/11 attacks in the united states. america has a great interest in what goes on in afghanistan. i think the interesting thing now is that the taliban advance is destabilizing afghanistan tremendously. when we see pictures of the scenes that you just put on tv, you can wonder what's going to happen in the region. russia's going to have interest. china is going to have interest. i think this really, the american withdrawal, will really lead to an opening up for china to play a more active role in the region and russia to play an active role in the region. a lot of people may say let's drop this problem in the lapse of the chinese and the russians

joining us on skype from kabul is a professor of peace studies at the american university of afghanistantsburgh, cloin clark. -- colin clark. we have the head of the international relations apartment at a university. welcome to the program. victoria, i would like to start with you. you are there right now in afghanistan. feeling it, living it. tell us what it is like. what are people thinking? where is this heading? >> while, many are quite concerned about the security situation. a lot of my colleagues now are trying to leave the country. it did not fall to the taliban. it has given them quite some hope. all in all, -- the fears that the population of urban centers is not going to let the taliban take it so easily. >> one of those urban centers, thousands are trapped and fleeing for their lives in the province. the taliban continue their advanced bodies in the streets and it is a troubling situation, isn't it? >> indeed, it is. 2000 400 people were only displaced yesterday and there are 40 civilian deaths or more than that. casualties. this is almost the seventh day that this was going o

our guests from kabul, a political analyst and lecture on transitional justice at the american university of afghanistanom pittsburgh, the director of policy and research at a security and intelligence consulting firm. from doha, the director of the center for conflict and humanitarian studies at the doha institute. thank you all for joining us. let me start with you. obviously, a horrible situation in afghanistan right now with the aftermath of this attack and lots of worries about what will happen next, security, not just around the airport, but throughout the country as a whole. >> yes, what happened yesterday was a shock to all of us. the shock was everyone was talking about it. there were intelligence reports indicating something like that could happen. it was a very soft target, and it still happened. the little glimmer of hope the youth, the educated youth had was that despite everything we had traded in -- peace, the scale of the killing that happened every day and afghanistan would not be seen anymore. >> let's turn to our guest in pittsburgh. could an attack like this happen again? >> yes, and

of courage that we're dealing with. these students have had to have courage to belong to the university from day one. >> yep. >> as american university of afghanistan, a co-ed university. they've been brave from day one. >> no question. a co-ed university and taliban paying attention to the female students something they don't believe in. the taliban has given u.s. forces until the end of the month to leave the country. it is a week away. president has an important decision today, is that enough time to evacuate the thousands in that country that still want to leave? >> so, it is a question that i push back on when people say do we need more time? yes, of course we need more time to get as many people out. but i think the question that we need to be asking is or even pushing is we need to change the paradigm of currently what is going on outside of the gates. as as of right now, you have the 82nd airborne inside of the gate and we need them to secure one gate even if it is one owe two hours every day to allow safe passage for people to come in. you truly cannot get through from a mile out. there are multiple checkpoints. within the community we're

in instanbul is haroun rahimi, assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. hington, d.c. is marvin weinbaum, director of afghanistan and pakistan studies at middle east institute in washington, d.c. and in london is klisman murati, founder and ceo of pangaea wire group, a geopolitical consultancy. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks for joining us today on "inside story." haroun, let me start with you. you tweeted that stopping the flow of funds into afghanistan will punish millions, 99% of the population that can't or won't leave. we need to care for them, too. so i would like to get your thoughts on the kind of impact that all this will have on afghan citizens. >> absolutely. i mean, afghanistan has a huge trade deficit. we finance that trade deficit mostly through foreign aid. now the foreign aid is in jeopardy. the afghanistan government right now does not have access to its foreign reserves because the situation of governance, who is actually in charge, is right now being negotiated. as a result of that, afghanistan's currency is depreciating fast. and

by the love, by here a political analyst and electra of transitional justice at the american university of afghanistan and from pittsburgh, calling clock director of policy and research at the sou, find group, a security and intelligence consulting firm and from doha, so tom bought a carts director of the center for conflict and humanitarian studies at the doha institute. thank you all for joining us. how by de la, let me start with you. obviously, a horrible situation in afghanistan right now with the aftermath of this attack and lots of worries about what's going to happen next and security. not just around the airport, but throughout, throughout, cobble in the country as a whole. what happened yesterday was a shock to all of us. the shock was that every one was talking about it. there were reports, there were intelligence reports indicating something like that could happen. it was a very soft target. and it still happened the little glimmer of hope that the youth enough on the spot had the educated youth was that despite everything that we had traded in a week. but that is a piece that the war was

it's victoria fountain, a professor of peace studies at the american university of afghanistan in pittsburgh. we have calling clark, director of policy and research, the super and group also from couple in afghanistan for him, said to his head of the international relations department at card and university. welcome all to the program at victoria. i'd like to talk to you 1st. you're there right now in afghanistan, feeling it living it, tell us what it's like, what's the atmosphere like, what are people thinking? whereas is heading well. many quite concerned about the security situation and my colleagues now are trying to complete that the same time. the fact that sound okay, right, did not fall into the hands of the telephone. that's why it says the night condition, and he's been quite some holes so only nor mitigates 20 years . but the 2nd that the population of reverend centers knew nothing to necessarily been taking one of those urban centers. it causes laska and for him said out to thousands, a trap to afflict their lives in the last yard. held them province. as a taliban, you know, cont

they were students coming from the american university of afghanistan. there are certainly few flights landing taking off as of, if you look at the radar right now, there are no us in full flights at cobble air force. and their allies have gone to the british air force. their last life took off last night, ending their evacuation mission and also the military present here over the last 20 years. so as these foreign forces pull out the taliban of pushing in, we got exclusive access inside the airport. as the final evacuations took place just me shoes from telephone places. the telephone has taken over the fighters drive us, made humvees laden with us, made weapons around the last us military installation. in afghanistan, they look and acts like former afghan government soldiers, the white flag, the only indication this is the telephone. it has been 20 years since the telephone controlled. cobble, a port fight is into the capital 2 weeks ago, and quickly encircled it. the armed group had an agreement with the us, that it would remain outside and secure the

thanks heidi now, victoria fontaine is a professor, a piece studies at the american university of afghanistan. she left the country in the past few days and joins us now from paris. thank you very much for being with us. so talk to us 1st of all about your experience there and did the struggles when you went through to, to get out of the country. well, i've been trying to get to the airport on those sunday sunday, the 16th i believe, of august. it was impossible to get to the airport on that day because of the knocks and the preparations of the us saw me to actually a present the evacuation that on tuesday morning. we were put on the house arrest by the colored by the local taliban commander who threatened to arrest us if we were to leave the compound where we were. and so it took us 2 days to negotiate our exits. there were large sums of money exchanged and, and through a large amount, all of the equipment left behind in order for us to be able to leave for the airport. what, when you say equipment, what, what, what sort of equipments, military equipment, helmets, body armor, weapons ammunit

of victoria fontaine is professor of peace studies at the american university of afghanistan. she joins us via skype now from cobble, thanks very much for being with with us. so i want to ask you, 1st of all, what do you, what do you make of the current situation on the ground in afghanistan and the, the international, international communities can't response to it. well, the situation of course, is very concerning. it has in say the in, so what do you just report that the national community has been far too intelligent with the taliban. append to now, and i think that's what we have heard in united nation is really a wake up core for many of those. also wish for supporters with a whole to really on the ground that seems to be cation of war crimes, elected war crimes, and some certified crime by the independent jimmy white commission. and the longer this goes on, as the taliban continue to, to make these gains across afghanistan, does it put more pressure on the united states to, to, to reassess their decision to, to completely pull out of the country. absolutely. the fact that

i'm joined by our guess and is stumble is harun remy assistant professor of law at american university of afghanistan in washington dc is marvin wine bomb director of afghanistan and pakistan. studies at middle east institute, washington d. c. and in london is clear, minority founder and ceo of penetrate wire group, a geopolitical consultancy, a warm welcome to you all, and thanks for joining us today on inside story. from let me start with you. you tweeted that stopping the flow of funds into afghanistan will punish millions, 99 percent of the population that can't or won't leave. we need to care for them too. so i'd like to get your thoughts on the kind of impact that all this will have on afghan citizens. absolutely, i mean, honest on has huge trade deficits. we find out that trade deficit mostly true for an aide. now the for an aide is in jeopardy and honor on government upon a great now does not have access to it's for and reserved because the situation of governance who's actually in charge is right now being negotiated. as a result of that, the punishment currency is depreciating fast, and if

of afghanistan. regarding the evacuation of the students of the american university of afghanistan come i have to mentiony president export of the american university of afghanistan is working in this matter of the evacuation day and night, and there is still no chance for students to be evacuated, all of those on sunday more than between 500-600 students who were on the list to be evacuated, but unfortunately due to high security threats it was called off. what we want -- >> sandra: i believe we just lost connection, we will try to reestablish that connection, obviously telling his story as an american university of afghanistan student studying political science and public administration for hours, hundreds of the students try to evacuate themselves, relatives, seven hours went by for many of them, they were waiting for clearance to enter the airport gates, they were driving around the city, that group met a dead end, and many of them have been held up in houses, boarding buses, they have spread out to safe houses in the area as you could hear the fear in his voice, they don't know what is next, saying

jazeera, cobble, or other arthur beta le behead a lecture of transitional justice at the american university of afghanistan. he says, many afghans are losing faith in present national harmony, and they are fearful for the future. we're just exhausted. we are distraught and it's just the unknown that is so haunting people. don't know what is to come next. there's a saying that says that the leader of great caravans have to adjust their speed to the slowest in the caravan. the saddest bit was that we were expecting the president to give the country some sort of assurance. and it came in the shape of hollow words. there is talk about transitional government, there is talk about his resignation. but then there's also talk of the tal upon marching in. there are even rumors calls coming in that they've even reached for each other he, which is the entrance gate of cobble. it's just, it's just this, this overwhelming amount of information without knowing fact from fiction. that is trading the population and forcing them to try and see the country. the hope that people are clinging onto is in the meeting after pres

now, hardin or he is an assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he says, president gone. he will find it difficult to keep his promises. he's not in control anymore and it's not about prison gunny anymore. it's about making the transition as blood. lastly, as orderly and absolutely as possible. the fight is at the doors of cobble. i mean you're reporting show that the cobble is being in circle and the time is not undergo and the government the government, the bridge is shrinking and there is heavy fighting and happen happening in missouri. if missouri falls and if cobble falls under pressure, then the all hope for a political settlement, all hope for a publishing agreement will be lost. these are critical moments. these are moments that will turn up on them into chaos. capital the home of more than 5000000 people and how's them into that place people into chaos? lawlessness. and it's going to turn the situation into an organ urban warfare that cornerstone and cobble in particular experience in the ninety's. or will have orderly transfer a power wh

passes that spring and how to know, hey me, he's an assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us on skype, from his stumble, good to have you with us. so 1st of all, his thought with a basic question of do we know if the cobble airport will even be able to operate? come september, 1st down was been issued many worried about a report that the ton of one reached an agreement with turkey and qatar and both countries will handle the technical issue of keeping the airport running with regard to security, our target personnel, and supposedly the personnel. they agreed that they would be a mixture of private security as well. please turkey, please got those personnel that is generally what has been reported. it is going to be incredibly important for the airport to remain operational. because as you reported many evacuation process, what had to basically and abruptly and was not, did not achieve the bit admission of taking the ball on a hor, national, and many, many other particular groups out of the country just because of how chaotic was because of the security threat and

let's talk again to her room ra, haney, assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us on skype from. is that bull harun good to talk to you again? what do you make of those scenes at the airport today? just k r and pat.

of hope in these very dark and difficult times, and hoping that this transition goes well for afghanistan's sake , for the international community's sake. host: obaidullah baheer, lecturer at the american universityn, thank you for your time this morning. we appreciate it. guest: thank you for having me. it is my pleasure. host: we are going to now bring you to capitol hill. speaker pelosi is holding a news conference on the legislative work that they have done this week on that 3.5 trillion dollar budget blueprint. let's listen in. it is a threat to our military and the people at the -- >> it is a threat to our military and the people at the airport. that is kind of what he said yesterday, but i think more may unfold in that regard. i can't go into what happened at the caucus yesterday, but one impression that one might take of people coming out is that people really want to encourage the president to stay on, but he has to say, weigh the equities of the danger versus the advantage, and i trust his judgment there. >> do you have reaction to your flexion -- to your reflection on the week? i am curious what your reflection is on what they frame is a deal, you say is not much of a deal. >> it is a

let's talk again to her room ra, haney, assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us on skype from istanbul. harun good to talk to you again. what do you make of those scenes at the airport today? just chaos and panic. the fear of unknown, the uncertainty of what the future holds despite the call about amnesty and other people do not. don't seem to believe those promises. also, there's a very chaotic situation. americans are in the control in control of the airport taliban were large port have left the airport on its own, possibly true a deal made by with the united states government. this created a situation where anyone who wants to go to the airports can and just in face the americans there. and you can imagine it to be 10 choice. and a lot of people have blame americans for abandoning them. so coming face to face with the american protest at the airport, we're trying to secure the evacuation is a very tuition and that's why the that, that what explain the possible civilian debt that might be caused by it. i think what is needed at this point is just o

of afghanistan, there's been a political vacuum without a full cabinet being established. so i spoke to obey the law by here a lecture in transitional justice at the american university of afghanistan in combo and asked about efforts in forming a new government. well, we've heard from a call upon recently with regards to in term appointments for ministries. we heard that the defense minister was appointed to someone who was the next day detainee off can get more. we also heard that the higher education minister was appointed to be along with a few other. they're all hardcore pilot bon members. so they're trying to do that, i think unless they start filling up the interior ministry and have police functioning, police force in the city, it been very difficult to fill that administrative gap with regard to the economic gap and disparity right now. and the crisis people are facing we just heard an informal announcement from the taliban, stating that the central bank of atlanta spawn had sent out letters to private banks to open up. and they're allowing people to withdraw up to $200.00 per week. which is a good start to just to be clear, the government has been since 2001, the country's

the moment, many things to get into her own raimie, assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us on skype from istanbul. harun, give me, give me a fake conversation. what's the conversation that's going on inside the presidential palace and cobble right now in your mind? first of all, i mean the reports are imagine who are the people that are conversing at this point and their report, different reports coming out of different people being involved. but in my opinion, the question is going to be a complete surrender to the taliban, or it's going to be some sort of entertainment that would have an element in it that seem to be an issue remaining. in my opinion, i would say that we have prevailed militarily. we will give you a chance to avoid experience cobble by the budget and transferred over to or under the way that they've done in many other problems. and then we'll decide to have a government on our own terms that we will control and others, but basically asking my magazine that they would who would elements of the other side of the camp as well. that it would be n

outer sera i by della bye, he a is electra in tradition transitional justice, at the american university of afghanistan. it says the international community must engage with the taliban. you have to set up an understanding. the major feeling here with regard to negotiations is the communication of expectations. so oftentimes, 2 opposing parties don't know what the other and expects of them so that rationality is very limited from time to time. so it's very important to engage with taliban and to communicate with them as to what are the expectation, what is the recognition or the condition on for them to understand exactly what the red lines are. and again, this is an opportunity for the taliban with regards to conflict transformation. once you enter a post conflict society, you have the opportunity to rebuild to recreate a society, 3 of the flaws that existed before. and one of the major gaps here is the gap of trust. again, the pallet bond cannot hold people hostage if they want their skills. they need to establish a government soon because they need to give people a counterfactual. you know, people a

how do raimie is an assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us on skype via, from a stumble, i should say, thanks for joining us. so i'm sure you had there, the afghan minister of interior shoring people. cobble is safe. but the reality is, is it not cobble is surrounded by thought. bon, the main artery for supply from total home to july about to couple is in the hands of the tale bond. this is ready. and now account down on the life of the afghan government, is it not? absolutely, and i think everyone has to work to avoid of worst case scenario. a worst case scenario could be that there will be open war for him. you reported was talking about how government is still has forces. i don't know how loyal court is going to be seeing that what they see and even seeing their leaders talking about traditional government, how they're going to be fight for a government that is not going to invest in matters of ours. if not in matters, are they not ours? but if they do engage with a taller bond, then it's going to be an urban war for catastrophe

darla here and ask and political analyst and electra of transitional justice at the american university of afghanistan. thanks so much for being with us. we'll talk about the political situation in a moment. but i just want to ask you about your personal experience of all of this . if i may, we've just been hearing there in that report from afghans who just arrived. some africans just arrived in the united states from afghanistan, but you have chosen to, to stay in afghanistan, just tell us why. thank you for having me. i figured that i enjoyed a certain safety net certain privilege that other people did thought. and i thought that i could make use of that having people who have gotten their education abroad, who have interacted with the government before as well, are important to any sustainable to sure that the current government off of kind of spawn can have. so i figured that that privilege that i had incurred some sense of responsibility. i know you talked about this a little bit more in a, in a piece that you wrote for a british newspaper in which you relate some of your personal experience abou

there is a school called the american university of afghanistan. e taliban and. and many of them boarded a bus, on getting to the airport and get out. the last rescue flight had departed because they stay in the country and many of them felt that email was a death sentence. listen to what one of them told jillian last hour. >> they do something with us as they -- >> all of the dreams of shattered in the blink of an eye. >> to make matters worse, the us military shared a list of their names and passport information with the taliban and. one wonders what the taliban is going to do with that information. >> it was so tragic, she said at the end, with their education. what they are proud to be getting over there. their dreams are just dreams now. >> on the security know the taliban attacked a school in 2016, killed 15 people, 7 students, this is a real threat. neil: jen psaki has not read washington post report she should have read by now. jillian: amid the rapid collapse of the afghan government, president afghani would kabul, the taliban asked if they

let's talk again to her own raheem, assistant professor of law at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us on skype from assemble. harun where he me, you probably heard what the acting interior minister was saying there. he said everything is normal. everything surely is ab normal. absolutely, i mean the people i talk to and the images coming out show people who are desperate . you see their eyes. everyone is the running around, they are running, they are trying to get some of the savings out there trying to get through homes. and absolutely, as you said, nothing is normal in cobble right now. the question is, we'll touch on the stay out of the city. that's question number one. they said they will, will have to see that the 2nd question is will cover remain safe to build the viewport it will be able to be secure cobble until trying to deal. because you have to realize that these forces are facing the fighting. they are basically part of the government that may not be there for the time they may face. they may feel like they are going to face and prevent, but it's not a bond. a

he, me, he's the assistance an assistant professor of low at the american university of afghanistan enjoys was by skype. from istanbul, it's great to have you with us. again. it's quite significant. does it know that we'll have dual county, but that is heading back to afghanistan. does this give any indications you think of who's going to be making up the governments? what kind of government we're going to see specially, know that the top people are basing themselves in the capital of the country they have just seized. so that's to be clear that he's not the top person in the top of a movement below brother. he's been the head of the political office in doha, but they have a system of leadership. the leadership council is at the head and my brother had generally been acting as a political office. you can compare him to kind of a minister of foreign affairs in a sense. but the head of the military committee and the leadership committee are 2 different people into the what kind of garmin you can expect. now, given the development to be there so far, i had hoped and the hope had been that the

let's pre k, i been deal about here who's electra of transitional justice at the american university of afghanistan. he joins us now live via skype from kabul. thank you very much for your time. firstly, very soon, the world's eyes, the international gaze will shift pops very slowly away from afghanistan when the final flights leave koppel airport. what will life look like? do you think for you and those close to you? thank you for having me. the apprehensions are real, with regards to the pilot, bon exercising retro active duty of justice, one the international communities. i turn away from upon this bond, but we are hoping that what we heard from anthony blink and the rest of the united states administration, that they will keep using their leverage and the incentives that they have to offer to the bond with regards to international legitimacy for an ead and relief of sanctions, those can be a continuous process. we hope that at the back of the pile of bonds mines is the idea that recognition can be revoked. that sanctions can be re imposed, that foreign aid can be seized. so all of those are thi