the reason people support amnesty don't want to call it amnesty is because it's unpopular. like the way people don't want to be called liberal, the pro abortion ladies don't want us to call it pro abortion and illegal aliens -- >> let me ask you this, ann, because the latest polling shows 68%, i think it's 67% favor a pathway to citizenship. >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. >> 18% say send back home. go ahead. >> that was going to be one of my examples in how we know amnesty is so widely unpopular. all of these polls, i've not seen how fox news phrased it but i have seen how abc, nbc and "new york times" phrased it in the past the polls are fraudulent because the question is do you want to deport them or do you want a pathway to citizenship? well no one is suggesting rounding up 11 million illegal aliens and deporting them, putting them on buses and so forth. the question should be do you think illegal aliens should go home or should they be able to become citizens. do we want more illegal immigration or less. legal even. you ask the question like that every single time,

the reason people support amnesty don't want to call it amnesty is because it's unpopular.e the way people don't want to liberal, the pro abortion ladies don't want us to call it pro abortion and illegal aliens -- >> let me ask you this, ann, because the latest polling shows 68%, i think it's 67% favor a pathway to citizenship. >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. >> 18% say send back home. go ahead. >> that was going to be one of my examples in how we know amnesty is so widely unpopular. all of these polls, i've not seen how fox news phrased it but i have seen how abc, nbc and "new york times" phrased it in the past the polls are fraudulent because the question is do you want to deport them or do you want a pathway to citizenship? well no one is suggesting rounding up 11 million illegal aliens and deporting them, putting them on buses and so forth. the question should be do you think illegal aliens should go home or should they be able to become citizens. do we want more illegal immigration or less. legal even. you ask the question like that every single time, less immigrati

the reason people support amnesty don't want to call it amnesty is because it's unpopular. don't want to be called liberal, the pro abortion ladies don't want us to call it pro abortion and illegal aliens -- >> let me ask you this, ann, because the latest polling shows 68%, i think it's 67% favor a pathway to citizenship. >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. >> 18% say send back home. go ahead. >> that was going to be one of my examples in how we know amnesty is so widely unpopular. all of these polls, i've not seen how fox news phrased it but i have seen how abc, nbc and "new york times" phrased it in the past the polls are fraudulent because the question is do you want to deport them or do you want a pathway to citizenship? well no one is suggesting rounding up 11 million illegal aliens and deporting them, putting them on buses and so forth. the question should be do you think illegal aliens should go home or should they be able to become citizens. do we want more illegal immigration or less. legal even. you ask the question like that every single time, less immigration win

the reason people support amnesty don't want to call it amnesty is because it's unpopular.want to be called liberal, the pro abortion ladies don't want us to call it pro abortion and illegal aliens -- >> let me ask you this, ann, because the latest polling shows 68%, i think it's 67% favor a pathway to citizenship. >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. >> 18% say send back home. go ahead. >> that was going to be one of my examples in how we know amnesty is so widely unpopular. all of these polls, i've not seen how fox news phrased it but i have seen how abc, nbc and "new york times" phrased it in the past the polls are fraudulent because the question is do you want to deport them or do you want a pathway to citizenship? well no one is suggesting rounding up 11 million illegal aliens and deporting them, putting them on buses and so forth. the question should be do you think illegal aliens should go home or should they be able to become citizens. do we want more illegal immigration or less. legal even. you ask the question like that every single time, less immigration wins, plea

and you know, these people that are talking about amnesty caused -- first of all it is an amnesty.ears in a path to citizenship and you have to pass a background check, learn english. that's fallacy number one. number two, border security. there are more border agents. there is less border immigration coming in. and it is happening in arizona with chrn exploited by coyotes and is because we have a broken immigration system. and the republican party there are a lot of evangelicals, business leaders that want to see immigration reform. i think what the tea party is doing is they are driving a huge wedge within the republican party that is going to cause them to lose seats this coming november. and i think certainly for a presidential election in 2016, remember, this country is a moderate country. a middle of the road country. this is an election in rural virginia in a district that's very conservative. >> but an election that involved one of the biggest leaders of the gop. and that is eric cantor. one of the most conservative. and that's why people are paying so much attention. and p

this is 100% about amnesty.ody was talking about the tea party in texas and ted cruz is the winner here. well, ted cruz is from washington. whatever his -- and i love him, but that is technically part of the establishment. what was his speech at the texas tea party about? it was a fiery speech denouncing amnesty. that's what people don't like about the establishment. it's this cozy relationship with the chamber of commerce to the detriment of the american worker. >> but ann, what are you saying, you're saying peep don't like amnesty. you can't round up millions of people and send them back, you're not suggesting that, are you? >> caller: no, but no one's suggesting that. all these polls showing that people are supposedly supporting a pathway to citizenship. they're always completely phony polls. they ask two things and on both sides no one is proposinproposi. they want employer sanctions, we didn't round up 11 million to get them here. we're not going to have to round them up to get them home. but you cut off th

when they know that amnesty is on the table, amnesty loses big. idea this will hurt the republicans in 2016 is insane. it has always been a winning issue. this is good for americans, good for voters. it is bad for employers looking for cheap labor. but they got -- republicans have to put their foot down to the chamber of commerce and say, look, if we bring in 30 million, 40 million illegal aliens who are going to break for the democrats we won't be able to give you anything else. that's it. because it's going to be the end of the republican party in this country. >> i know what you want. i've talked to you many times about your stance on immigration. i know what you want. but tell me what you think in terms of the effect this will have on other republicans running their races on a go forward basis? >> i hope it will at least shut down any more happy talk about amnesty this year. i wish it would have the effect of republicans waking up and seeing that this is a winning issue for the republicans. and not just with the republican base. we're talking

it's the amnesty talk, it's the amnesty pr proposal.s the lack of administration. >> you came across the boarder as a young pen and you 13e7b9 two months ispent twomonths in . what drew you here and what was your experience in the eight weeks while you were being held? >> for sure, i remember being five years old and seeing my mother hold my younger broker who novembers dead he died in her arms because we didn't have money to take him to the hospital. poverty, violence, i was a victim of gang violence, i was being shot, stabbed for simply being a kid. and i my great today the u.s. in a journey that was horrible. i seen little girls being abused by the [inaudible] and people losing their lives and i made it the to the united states and i am a ph.d student at the university of texas and it's the violence and the war that is happening among people in honduras and central america that is causing children to come to reunify with their families and that's what i d i came to the u.s. to reunify with my mother and now i am a ph.d student at tex

>> a week after controversial re-election syria's election declares amnesty. strikes defend into violent protest. and we mak neo-fascists join the battle of eastern 69 country. >>> pakistan's busiest airport has rehoped in which 29 people were killed. the pakistani taliban said that it laid siege to karachi and there will be more attacks in the coming days. it comes after a renewed campaign of airstrikes. >> reporter: another funeral in one of the world's bloodiest insurgencyies. the unfolding disaster was clear from afar as smoke covered the night's sky. just before midnight the rebels had shot their way into the old terminal dressed in security force uniform it's. gun battles followed with real members of airport security and then the army was called in. >> security forces confronted them, killed them, destroyed them, the operation was over in four or five hours. >> but four or five house is enough to bring up the question of the state of security in pakistan again. this is the country's busiest airport. >> well, i think it's a great threat to security. ther

. >> syrian president has issued an amnesty for a number of crimes. bashar al-assad. some jail terms including some death sentences to life in prison. the decree also grants an amnesty to foreigners who entered syria for purpose of joining a terrorist group. >> the details of this general amnesty is still sketchy, however it does address people with different crimes, different categories. for example, desserters from the country are given three months to turn themselves in. government to fight along terrorist groups as government officials say are given one month to turn themselves in and they will benefit from this general am they advertise. abductors, people who have abducted different yrn syrians, request also benefit from this amnesty. the syrian minister of justice says this comes in the spirit of social unity and reconciliation and it builds on the military victories that the government had achieved on the ground in the past few months. this is spin that the government is trying to get this general amnesty comes five days after president assad won a new seven ye

that is not amnesty. that is ethics in this country.here is a poster of a young kitten hanging off the ledge. is getting ready to fall. the title says, hang in there. these anti-immigrant people are hanging in there. they think they can keep the world they love and not accept that there are strokes who work very hard to keep this country great. see that camera right there? something to say young people in this country you want to enlist to help you in your fight. what do you call these? in thato to look camera. you say whatever you want to say to young people to engage and help you, but i wonder if you will do it in spanish. spanish]ing spanish] tavis: si. [laughter] on thisored to have you program. i celebrate your courage, your conviction, and your character. your dedication to this cause. i wish only the best for you and your mom and dad and family. the congressman is right. it might take a minute, but we are going to get it right. we are a better nation than this. we are going to get there. engaging in your fight. hopefulman, are yo

. >> now he's working behind the scene to push through amnesty. he's another power hungry washington insider. 14 years in washington is too many. >> three things came together in what you could call a perfect storm to pull out brat's victory offer cantor. nuch number one, virginia is notorio notoriously not known for primaries winning campaigns. number two, immigration has been the go-to issue in republican primaries. mark murray has dubbed it the "a bomb," accusing each other of amnesty. cantor's dream-like support to create a pathway for children brought to the united states illegally gave brat some credibility for his attacks and then throw in the current crisis on the border. tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors entering the u.s. illegally gave urgency to brat's message in the campaign's closing days. cantor's response to the attacks with a bit ham-handed, boasting he killed legislation to give illegal aliens a free ride. and the anti-cantor campaign caught fire in the radio wing of the campaign, particularly with laura ingram. >> maybe i

be amnesty.bviously the base is not big it. >> karen, that tracks perfectly with what we were talking about earlier, and the long ago history of the minority of tea party republican should be able to practice an economic suicide, that was a big debate where they won things and then said it wasn't good enough and then had to move the goal post, but ultimately they did move the goal post on themselves and republican leaders. >> and again, to crystal's point and your point, that is their message coming home to roost. they went out too hard on immigration messaging, not maybe looking at a little something i like to call the census to see the way the country was changing and similarly had to do that in a number of negotiations you point out, ari, with the tea partiers to say "we didn't mean this, here's what we meant." to get them back on board. at a minimum they need to rethink their messaging strategy. they painted themselves into the corner. >> that is well put. as we look over the incredible night

i am not for amnesty.eplacing the legal immigration system with a legal immigration system. they have taken away from the table securing our borders. making sure we have a verification system in this country when somebody gets employed. when we're watching what's happening in iraq today, we need an even better system of checks and balances about who's coming in and who's going out. >> why can't we secure our borders? >> because if you talked to anybody on the border and talked to them about security, the first thing you need to do is to you need to have a legal immigration system that allows -- >> we can't enforce our laws right now. >> that's not what i'm saying. >> we can't enforce our laws. did you not praise his principles on immigration in the house of representatives? >> here's what i said, i said, as a democrat, we need to respect the fact that there's a republican majority in the house of representatives and when they put forward those principles by the republican leadership, i said, i want to sit

they drop the a-bomb, if you will, amnesty, and everything becomes amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.nk about this race, though, chris, and i apologize if this has been repeated. there was a perfect storm here for mr. brat. you had an issue that he had been harping on the entire time, immigration. in particular, hammering cantor for being for a version of the dream act, which had to do with minors. what's been happening for the last 72 hours? massive national coverage to a humanitarian crisis of unaccompanied minors crossing the border. it gave urgency to dave brat's message. he had the only, i would say, professional support he had behind him was the talk radio world. and this was -- so put it all together. low turnout, and the issue hits. that's how all this happened and how somebody gets blindsided. what happens when you get blindsided in american politics? we have seen it here. most primaries in virginia are not done -- are not done with actual voters. they're usually done at conventions. obvious laes, eric cantor didn't want a convention or he would have gotten smoked. >> this wa

plus the newly reelected syrian president announces a general amnesty we'll talk to our correspondent about the mood just after this break. here of ukraine has a new president and he has made it clear he has no new ideas on how to resolve the country's dire problems but it says he wants a peaceful ukraine but in his inaugural address if you do declaration of war and you know to me to. choose your language. of choice we can we know if you're going to. choose to use the consensus you. choose to continue to be great to. choose the stories that impact your life choose the access to. thanks. i marinate join me. in part and. carry contribute. only on bombast and i want to. thank. those announced a general amnesty that is after winning the country's presidential race last week by a landslide. for national who is in neighboring lebanon maria perhaps you could just give us a few more details about this amnesty and perhaps just help explain why this is happening now. well just days after syrian president bashar assad was elected as the country's leader for the next seven years he announced a ge

democrats want to have that amnesty piece. so is comprehensive reform the only thing -- >> it's kind of what they do with other issues. it's got to be this whole thing and that allows them to reject small advancement. it's not immigration reform people want. they want border reform. you can't fill a tub without a plug and the thing is -- >> thanks for that. >> this election cannot be about immigration. you cannot allow that to happen because it's about competence. you have so much issue, the irs, taliban five, the economy, the instability around the world. if we allow the debate to shift over to talking about immigration then the obama administration gets a pass on six years of partisan -- >> they talk about border security and they want to build this 12-foot fence, if they do, i'm going to be the first person to invest in 13 foot ladders. >> the senate democrats. >> that won't fix the problem. >> here's the point. you put the ball in their court and say okay you turn this down, you say you don't want a secure border. >> you k

be amnesty.he base is not big it. >> karen, that tracks perfectly with what we were talking about earlier, and the long ago history of the minority of tea party republican should be able to practice an economic suicide, that was a big debate where they won things and then said it wasn't good enough and then had to move the goal post, but ultimately they did move the goal post on themselves and republican leaders. >> and again, to crystal's point and your point, that is their message coming home to roost. they went out too hard on immigration messaging, not maybe looking at a little something i like to call the census to see the way the country was changing and similarly had to do that in a number of negotiations you point out, ari, with the tea partiers to say "we didn't mean this, here's what we meant." to get them back on board. at a minimum they need to rethink their messaging strategy. they painted themselves into the corner. >> that is well put. as we look over the incredible night in americ

define amnesty for me. what does it mean to you? >> i think the working deaf anything out there is the pathway to legalization and citizenship. and in that instance, eric cantor is the author of the house principles, which allows for 6.5 million illegals to become legal and gain a pathway to citizenship. and he's been in favor of the dream act, the kids act, and enlist act, which all follow that definition of amnesty. so eric, of course, in the primary, for the last two weeks, says he's against all of this, and even against all of his own bills that he's written. but i think the voters know and we're having overwhelming success here today. >> so let me clarify. you do not believe there should ever, for the 11 million undocumented folks that are here in this country right now, that they should ever have a chance to become citizens, even if they, quote, unquote, get if the back of the line? >> if they go through the legal process of the united states of america, it's a loaded, biased question -- >> well, i understand that -- >> a very

anything short of deportation mean amnesty?e seeing the crisis of children brought across the border, people understand we have to find a practical solution. it can't be bogged down talking about what these words mean, real consequences. >> president obama's policies, executive orders allowing an easier way for children of illegal immigrants to get in could backfire. certainly not going to help a cause for broader immigration reform. >> that's the argument of those who say the message is getting through to young people in mexico and el salvador when they hear there's a potential for amnesty if they make it across the border which is why you're seeing a flood of people. you have rand paul, rupert murdoch weighing in on immigration debate, which will be interesting to watch fox news traditionally opposed to immigration form, a change on media outlets. >> you take immigration, environment, other issues as well where the tea party is out of step in our polling with the rest of the republican party, to say nothing of the broader pub

it's the new law that we get amnesty, that all we have to do is come. it is incredible the humanitarian crisis that this administration has caused. and there is some blame to go around for republicans as well that have entered into this discussion about providing amnesty, providing legal status , when if they would simply listen to the people in the field, on the border, and understand the trauma that they have been going through, trying to protect this country, they would find out, as chris crane has said before, said again yesterday, when people in washington talk about amnesty or legal status, we see a massive influx of people coming. because they want to get here for the legal status, the amnesty, and that's why it's so critical that we not talk about any kind of legal status or amnesty being awarded to anyone. that we wait until we have a president, hopefully a change in this president's heart, so he will start enforcing the law. and start faithfully executing the laws of the country. it is unconstitutional for anyone in the united states, includin

do you think this is -- you know, i thought his amnesty -- what they have done with the word "amnesty," perverted the definition. >> he has been out there on the trail and talking to conservative audiences in places like iowa and i saw him trying to make the case for himgration reform in both political terms and policy terms. it hasn't been terribly well received. marco rubio's work on tissue has not been terribly well receive bid the base. it is a tough issue for republicans. i just have been on the trail with lindsey graham. he brings this up in his speeches and does not try to hide the position. he's obviously a very pro-reform. he was part of the gang as well. and he just won a tough primary against, you know, his opponents not well moan but there were six of them and managed to get well over 50% of the vote by going out there and making the case for what he believed and not trying to have it both ways. not trying to be against and for it at the same time which i think is what eric candor did. he was signaling to people like chamber of commerce he wanted to get something done. the

we are not in favor of amnesty. we have three sons, and when they were little, the one rule my wife and i had was never reward lawless conduct. it works with child-rearing. it works with nationbuilding. it works with immigration. >> i cannot support amnesty for illegal immigrants. you don't earn some sort of benefit for breaking the law for certain amount of time. that undermines the rule of law. what i do support is expanding the e-verify program nationally. like senator graham, i don't believe the federal government has any business keeping tabs on individual citizens and i don't support any kind of program under which the federal government would issue some sort of national id card. but when it comes to foreign nationals in our country, we do have a right to know who they are, what they are doing, and what their plans are. the e verify system means the enforcement is on the employers and. once you drive that labor pool, that largely takes care of the problem. it's a solution to the problem and we already have it

they granted amnesty, straight out amnesty. they say three, but it was more like 10 million.are the ones here. what i'm trying to say is you now have a problem where you have the republican party against immigration. they are against anything they used to before. it is killing this country. they messed up the country. reagan messed it up and reagan should have been impeached but because he has a house -- also hours -- this [indiscernible] immigrants, illegal or legal, came from reagan, the administration that granted amnesty? looking back to the 1986 proposal, it was kind of bipartisan. resident -- president reagan did sign that and i think he later regretted it. an attorney general who works at heritage has explained that president reagan thought that was a mistake. granted amnesty, to see how that works, clear out the population of see that over again. if we try that again, it would be a shame on us at this point. you mentioned about 3 million. fraud rates show some studies up we are nowaudulent. looking at a population of over 10 million workers. no one knows exactly, but

that counters what cantor said he was against amnesty didn't matter to many voters. brat spoke to sean hannity after the win. >> i ran on rule of law, property rights. i ran on immigration. i don't think those are right and left issues. i think those are just free market constitutional issues. >> they were winners for him. his primary win not only shakes up the republican leadership but analysts say it could affect everything from which bills congress takes up to who scores the republican presidential nomination in 2016. think of this. a republican leader at this level had not been ousted in a primary since the 1800s and this leader got beaten from the political right in his own party despite the fact that eric cantor had a 95% conservative rating from the american conservative union. 95% conservative lifetime. got beaten despite the fact that he stood in lockstep against the white house on almost every issue imaginable. eric cantor was not conservative enough. he was seen as squishy on immigration reform and now he's out. we go live to washington. cantor's own distr

and we have steve crawshaw from amnesty international and steve if i could get a reaction from you on this verdict. >> reporter: well, as all of you have been saying this is an outrageous ruling we just heard. i wish it could be more surprising in the context of what we have seen in the resent weeks and months but it's not and it's affront to justice what we are seeing there and amnesty international will campaign as we have been doing and so many around the world have been doing to be free but it's a sign and one i think the world needs to speak very, very strongly on this. clearly for the individuals concern this has much broader significance to egypt as a whole. >> reporter: for egypt as a whole what does this say to you about freedom of speech in this country and possibly the prospects for my colleagues, what kind of recourse will they have going forward? >> well, i mean, pressure can work, that is the first thing to say. we did think the one release we had seen might have been partly and affected by that pressure, and we were clearly hoping international pressure and we would hel

african union forces helped police the amnesty. has been since months since they launched peacekeeping operations in the country. >> there is no point in keeping this in the house but this is the place for these to go. our country is lawful. it is not good to have these weapons at home. >> but the authorities admitted turnout was modest. it was only civilians who took part in the amnesty. militia members from both sides were nowhere to be seen. >> if you look around, you can see people are not motivated to hand over weapons. people are not coming to put down the weapons we hear being fired. they are just a few grenades, old things, and ammunition. it is very difficult. >> in another bid to cut down on unrest, last week, the government put a temporary ban on text messages to make it harder for armed groups to contact each other. >> it was a case of being overwhelmed by love. in paris, lovers have been attaching padlocks to historic bridges as they pledge everlasting love. but the bridges were not built to take the extra weight. pane

. >> if this amnesty bill goes through, and it is amnesty, step one is legalization.verything after that, all the triggers to citizenship, are phony triggers. >> if we don't secure our border, we have a major national security problem. >> a lot of people coming to the country are working for drug cartels. a lot of people have wreaked havoc among communities. >> regularization, comprehensive immigration reform, it walks, it talks and it squawks like another massive illegal alien amnesty. >> this is one of those issues that splits the republican coalition. chamber of commerce and elites in the party want it to happen while the base absolutely hates it. polling by the nonpartisan public religion institute and brookings institution found that people who trust fox news are much more likely to oppose a path to citizenship. and if the comprehensive reform bill fails to move forward, it will be in large part thanks to fox. and the talk radio hosts to whom it gives a platform. final nail in the coffin may have been eric cantor's defeat by david brat who ran on his opposition t

define amnesty for me and people are all over the board with how they actually personally define amnestytes a law that suddenly has no consequences for that. consequences are pretty clear on the violation of the law. if you say to someone i'm going to ignore the consequences and take those away, you actually have offered them amnesty. >> so if you guys pass addy law on immigration reform that did have a penalty for people that were here, the 11 million undocumented folks that are here, and if they eventually became citizens after paying some sort of penalty, that is not amnesty, in your opinion? >> no. i would say that i do not agree that you start a relationship with the greatest nation in the world and start your destination toward citizenship by violating a law first. i don't think that's the way that you begin. now, i would look at every single case and every single individual as they should be, but you apply the law. as the law is applied, you don't begin by having a felony where you have multiple crossings over the border becomes a felony action and you don't begin your path to cit

there's all this talk of giving amnesty to anchor babies. jay carney says the border is secure, again getting it wrong. that's why hillary is a genius. she hasn't weighed in on the debate so all she has to say is, no, we must secure the borders, then do some kind of piecemeal smart immigration reform 0 and she's outmaneuvered i would argue a lot of republicans. >> i make a point to ted cruz. when he said obama did not obey the law, not a single employer in his state, which is the largest employer of illegal, undocumented workers, has ever been tried under the reagan bill of immigration in '86. for ted cruz to stand there and blame obama, take care of your own people. i would bet you have contributors who hire imlegals all the time. you probably hire illegals and i like you teddy. >> can i read the tweet? i promised it in the tease. senator pushed back via twitter, my position is what it always has been -- real border security necessary before any reform. i will not let sloppy journalists reflect my position as amnesty. it is untrue. >> the r

everything immigration related gets labeled as amnesty these days. it was upsetting to some of the groups that are trying to push changes, including from the chamber of commerce to latino groups, that he was using this kind of rhetoric, because they saw it as closing the door to immigration legislation. but now it's like, you know, his defeat as well closes the door to that in the minds of a lot of people. >> and in fact, chuck todd is joining us now from capitol hill. chuck, dave brat was on with you this morning. let me play a little bit of that with you. >> amnesty at the end with a clear differentiator between myself and eric cantor. it fits into the whole narrative, and it also fits into the narrative that eric just has not been present in the district. and he was out of touch on that one, instead of -- i was door knocking. i know what's on the mind of the folks. >> chuck, i was really struck by what you said last night. i think it was to -- i think it was to rachel maddow. what is the implication for everyone from jeb bush associated with the i

reagan granted amnesty, just straight out amnesty.ey said three, but those ten million now are the ones that are here. basically, what i'm trying to say is this: now you have a problem, you have the republican party, they are against immigration. they are against anything that they used to be for. really it's killing this country. they messed the country up, george bush. reagan messed it up, and reagan should have been impeached but because here had a house -- he had a house with tip o'neill who was also irish. could you explain to me why how many immigrants are illegal or legal, came from reagan, the administration that granted amnesty. thank you. >> host: all right, dave. dave's a democrat in rome, georgia. >> guest: dave, i think looking back at that 1986 proposal, there were republican and democratic supporters. it was kind of a bipartisan policy. and president reagan did sign it. i think he later regretted that. attorney general ed meese, who also works at heritage, he's explained before that reagan thought that was a mistake. yo

he is giving amnesty to illegals who have relatives in the uf.s. amnesty to illegals giving guardianship to people. it's already illegal. you can't violate the constitution if you're doing something legally. he's doing it illegally. congress has no guts for it. they don't do anything about it and they should stand up and be counted instead of running for the exit every time they bring this up. >> now, juan, before you jump in here, i want you to listen to a border agent that has quite a bit of experience on the border telling us exactly what the problem is. listen. >> the word spreading rapidly. it is unchecked and that it's pretty much a free pass of the way the system is set up at this time. >> so juan, they're literally in guatemala, in honduras, they're telling the people, send your kids to america. you won't get sent back. bad idea or good idea? >> that's been the idea. you talk about cuban refugees. these children are refugees from war and from political instability and spreads to their lives. so if you're the father eric of that kind of chil

which is not in favor of amnesty. we have three sons and when they were little the one rule my wife and i had was never reward lawless conduct. it works with child rearing, it works with nation building. it works with immigration. >> thank you. >> i cannot support amnesty for illegal immigrants. you think that you don't earn some sort of benefit because you've been able to break the law for some period of time. our rule of es law. what doy support is expanding the e-verify program nationally. like senator graham i don't believe that the federal government has any business keeping tabs on individual citizens and i don't support any kind of program under which the federal government would issue some sort of national id ward. but when it comes to foreign nationals who are in our country then we do have an interest in knowing who these folks are, what they're doing, and what their plans are. and the e-verify system if it's imposed nationally is that the enforcement is on the employer end and so once you drive that labor p

how long did republicans use amnesty as a way to demagogue against any sort of action on immigration reform? they thought they could then adjust and change what their definition of amnesty was and the base said, no, we don't buy it. we heard you all those other years and we bought into that program. >> right. >> who undermined john boehner more than eric cantor? it is really amazing that they're representing them as sort of two opposite sides, as sort of the same coin taken down by the tea party. i'm going to give you the last word on this, jason. it does seem like there's a peculiarity about virginia that's at play here. is this a peculiarity about virginia politics that he really lost touch and you needed to do the local, the door to door, the glad handing? or is there a bigger message? >> there is a bigger message here about paying attention to your district. you know, it's one thing to joke that republicans don't believe in science. but they need to believe in math. if your own pollster is telling you that you're up by 24 points and you end up losing by 11, you haven't only lost

the congressman has responded by claiming to be anti-amnesty. but has professed his desire to work with the white house and this president on issues such as the dream act and offered his support for a bill earlier this year that would have allowed illegal immigrants to serve in the arms services in exchange for citizenship. he also accused of simply taking attention from his district and accusation he refuted before blaming his leadership responsibility. >> i was in my district every week. so i, you know, there's a balance between holding a leadership position and serving constituents at home. but never was there a day that i did not put the constituents of the seventh district of virginia first and i'll continue to do so. >> two of the best in the business analyze what this means for the republican party and these upcoming midterm elections. political strategist ed rollins and juan williams joining us to night. defense secretary hagel telling the house arms services committee that no one was killed searching for bowe bergdahl. randy ford questi