norwegian terrorist anders bravey asks the court to transfer him to a general cell. the lawyer said toamera that breivik is motivated by an inhumane attitude and a violation of the third article of the european convention on human rights. well, according to the 8th article of the same convention, the terrorist demands to ensure his right to personal and family life, it is very strange and wild to hear this from a person who receives in a three-room brick house, he uses the internet, plays computer games on quite expensive consoles, and i will remind you who he sits for. on july 22, 2011, anders bravingstoy terrorist attacks in oslo, the capital of norway, and on utoya island as a result of them, 77 people died, well, there are such paradoxes. well, for today, everything is in my column , the world is not everything in the big ether, so don't switch, some creatures are surprised by the toilet in the house. online , if you have an allergy, the drug citrin will help to free your breath and get rid of itching in the eyes and tearing - cetrin specifically blocks histamine receptors and usua

why should somebody like anders breivik, for instance, ever be released after killing 77 people? really very difficult because, and particularly because it's not clear that he has, a, any insight or, b, any remorse into what he did. and there may well be some people in our prison systems who are so dangerous that they can never be released. i think that is true. but otherwise, traditionally, our legal system has always allowed for the possibility that people who are violent can do time, can accept responsibility, and commit themselves to living violence free in the future. violence—free in the future. and i think we should be working towards that. that is still a goal that's achievable for most violence perpetrators. and when it comes to very young criminals, and i'm thinking particularly here of 1993, the case, the notorious case ofjamie bulger, who was killed, a two—year—old boy killed by two ten—year—olds. and at the time, they were the youngest people in english history to be convicted of murder. they were released at the age of 18. i mean, do you think that we should make ex

i knew it was the right thing to do and would be highly criticized ander it did.ul not just liberalstives and supporters and people that felt like they saw governors doing different things and i n should just fall in line. but i did not know how we would be impacted butut i also knew what my authority was and what it wasn't. and people in my state needed to have the ability to go forward to take care of their families the way they saw fit making the best decisions with what we could share with them. it was incredible what they were doing wonderful things to take care of the vulnerable population and we knew we would get through it together. host: governor noem from south dakota is author of the book not my first rodeo. thank you for joining us. >> i appreciated it and enjoyed visiting with you. thank you. >> let's be honest great leadership is a rare and elusive quality composed as it is in so many different attributes coming together at the same time intelligence, courage high standards and personal presence in the ability to communicate among others

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showed suddenly in recent years about alexander on ukrainian air and not a word was said, alexander anderugin, a man who is called the brain putin they understand that it is possible to be close to a deeply close person without ever meeting him . and it's really close. this is closeness in spirit. and this association is an association, and the power of the spirit and the people. that's what they fear the most. this is the key to our victory, including in a special military operation. this is not a war with ukraine, but this is actually a war with the west, globalism, because the azov people are not ukrainians, you understand? it's not their authentic identity - it's something, completely artificial, authentic identity of ukrainians. in this case, yes, a great patriot of his country. daria felt like a warrior about this were her last words spoken to her father in the evening before the bible by a warrior who would never take up arms. do the parents want retribution for her murder on this question. they answer like this, of course, those who commit a crime should be punished, but this is n

medical doctor gilbert e ander, amer professor of ethics. >> that's great. we'll take a final break and come back and tk more. >> hello. welcome back. jennifer, you mentioned paul kyleanthony. that was a book i read. he was a neurosurgeon at . a young married man who got stae 4 cancer suddenly. during his last few months of life, he got treatments which were unsuccessful. he wrote a wonderful best selling book. eve read it. how is he associated? >> paul was one of our first pal ramsey institute fellows. instie runs a two year fellowship where where young men and women from many disciplines, law students, medical students, phd students will apply. paul was in the first group when we launched paul ramsey institute. it was dg his two year time with us that e was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer and writing "when breath becomes air." >> a wonderful book, truly movi. you have top notch academics, ml professionals, so on who apply for a limited number of spots in in the institute. they're there for a year, two years. >> two years. >> is there a physical location

why were you detained anders?it was him that you disrupted my concert and i have a reasonable question for you. do you understand how much this cost me? and who will pay me for it? that's what i'll tell you, citizen of the bitcoins. the fact is that balabatin was suspected of hitting a man. but then it turned out that he was driving. i know a lot of people with that name, you have a short memory of cue balls, and you strain and remember vasya, who keeps you have a pawnshop. my name is matvey danilych, bitkov no pawnshop. i don’t have any vasya, i don’t know, i have a legal business from which i pay taxes and i have no doubt that part of this money goes to the salaries of the policemen who guard my peace and the peace of other tax payers. anything you want to add absolutely nothing. in an hour you will collect all the information on bitcoin for me, i’ll understand, it’s not clear there is a colonel standing there. that's how zvonarev urgently brought me the detained balabatin, i'll be right there. he kept some docu

well, how is it with the balabakin, which anders everyone knows me. i won't say, probably not. no. yes, he would have killed him. if i knew, right, well, why is it him with this case was you remember at school passed? how long have they had it? well, quite a long time ago. she still sent him to the dressing room all the time. she seems to have brought him to you. i went to every concert and sat near the stage itself. brought her from one moscow club lured away. now i think it's useless. where are they now? but maybe i heard something they say, something different in the club, they say that people live here from you, you can’t hide anything. they say that both of them were rolled up so that others. but i don't believe, and that's it, you're doing the right thing, what you don't believe, yes, and they say nonsense, until they rolled up, until they just dismembered and put it in the refrigerator. do n't tell anyone about this, or i'll tell you too. don't worry about a member, matvey danilovich i've never been, especially sickly. well, i'm working, silent you know my know immediate

top performers anders went missing two days ago, anyone who has seen them or may know of their whereaboutsse call the phone number you see on the screen. relatives of the missing citizens of thailand have come to you. yes, i know these relatives. yes, cue ball , get ready, what does it mean to call him, they are already calling. who? well, you immediately realized that you are slowing down. look the girl from the travel agency the girl from the reception. a couple in the next room or what? i would very much like to believe you, lyuba, but the fact remains that you entered someone else's house. he is no stranger, no stranger. this is 3 years of work. you could say i love them. maybe i have my own key, maybe i can, and who you worked, all the housekeepers, the cook, the gardener, the laundress. today you also wanted to, well, come clean , cook, water the ficus. why mock something? i tell you everything as it is, i say, lyuba i'm not kidding. i face the facts today, detained by a bag. so you already decide, these are your things or not your things. these are my things. and mine, not the owner

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for example, former nato secretary jan. anders fog rasmussen even considered that french president. amen. reverend my cause paul for diplomacy with russia over ukraine was directly harmful to taiwan. so now apparently, according to this esteem, former nato chief, if you aren't actively provoking russia using ukraine or provoking china using taiwan. then you're basically inviting war. likewise, canadian prime minister justin trudeau was given flock last year for stopping and nato linked forums. provocation of china over taiwan trudeau intervene to stop the halifax security form, which is held regularity in canada. from giving tie winds president. it's john mccain, at ward, named after the late yukon war hawk. american senator, who has had an uncanny knack of turning up in places like ukraine in syria, not long before through trouble started. there are other cases of you officials getting in trouble for standing against washington foreign policy provocations. like when you ambassador to cuba and bit alberto navarro openly stood against you. i sanctions in cuba or against cuba and was subse

for example, former nato secretary general anders vogue rasmussen even considered that french president emanuel mack holes call for diplomacy with russia over ukraine was directly harmful to taiwan. the chinese are following the developments in ukraine very closely, because if prudent can get away with taking crimea, and maybe the don bass and that is settled in a peace deal than china, might interpret that as an invitation to take taiwan by force. so now apparently, according to this esteem, former nato chief, if you aren't actively provoking russia using ukraine or provoking china using taiwan. then you're inviting war. likewise, canadian prime minister just insure was given flock last year for stopping a nato linked forums. provocation of china over taiwan trudeau, intervene to stop the halifax security for him. held regularity and canada from getting taiwan is president. it's john mccain award, named after the late neo con, more hoc, american senator who had an uncanny knack for turning up in places like ukraine and syria not hung before the trouble started. there are other cases of

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and early 20th century who keep running up against the back of christian men who are abusing women ander respectful. so ultimately she concludes the crime must be the fruit of the theology. and she goes to the scriptures and retranslates and reinterprets the christian scriptures. but she identifies as a fundamentalist christian. so it's this remarkable story that has been all but lost. but what i really took from from that was that conservative, bible-believing christians, right, who uphold the authority of the scriptures believe the word of god is inerrant can read those scriptures and conclude that christianity is against patriarch key, that christianity is for women's equality. and as soon as i kind of wrapped my head around that, then i understood that, you know, the bible can be interpreted in that as i understood that the bible can be interpreted in that direction in the direction of patriarchy, so the historian in any given moment, we should not just be assuming this is biblical teachings but why are these people in this moment taking this in this direction and that led to jesus a

i go, this is ander behring breivik stuff. all of these had of these templates all over them. what happens when that goes away from the individual gamer man with an ar-15 and goes to organized groups that decide they will become the i this republican army in the u.s.? you have the republican party explaining away house none of this is terrorism and none of them in their party are terrorists but i support everything they stand for. normal violence in the u.s. is an anathema, you will know it when you see it when titus decides -- as they say on their forums, what is our breaking point? they cannot answer it but someday they will answer it. it will be unhealthy. >> hi there. i came in late. malcolm: don't worry, there is a whole book you can read. >> the last time i saw you on television, you were in ukraine and you are ready to go. obviously, it does not make sense for you to be there anymore. malcolm: i am going back next friday. i was in the ukrainian army. >> i am sorry if you cover this before. i would like to know -- i thought you were not going to go back. why did you leav

. >> i i'm not sure with the thret matrix is but i would imagine that because of his prominence ander also his very public position, i would imagine that it's higher than normal for a cabinet secretary, but i don't know enough to speak intelligently about this threat matrix and what that would trigger for him. many cabinet secretaries have protection provided to them by their own agency for example the epa administrator had his own secretsore or provided within s agency and her agency at times. that's true as well for the state department. hillary clinton was protected by the diplomatic security core. it happened as she was also the first lady and was given lifetime protection and had to secret service protection at. night so don't know the answer on pete. i will tell you it's interesting the people you don't expect to have a threat matrix while i was here yesterday i reported a story about the deputy national security advisor. investigating what appears to be a strangend man who came onto hs lawn and may have tried to break into his home days in our hours after this national security

look, maybe we crawl back a little bit,maybe we climb back maybe we me ander but i don't think it wille a market of fireworks on either end. i think we are muddling through and getting through the rest of the year >> jim, over to you. i know you are farmer jim. the spys in volumes 14% lower than the 30 day. qqq 40% lower than the 30 day. can we take what we're seeing seriously with volumes that much lower? >> you went where i wanted to go thank you very much. it is seasonality, right we are in the second half of august volumes are usually very light in second half of august people are on vacation there's still some things to look forward to. we have the fed minutes today, not that excited about it. we have jackson hole next week i don't think we will get all that much new, but key point is people are on vacation what happens is they come back in september and traditionally september is a tricky month. people come back from vacation and focus on what is going on. now, things are balanced in my opinion between the positives and negatives but we have to respect the fact s&p 500 is up 17%

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. >> "one morning anders, a white man, woke up to find he had turned a deep and undeniable brown." >>of mohsin hamid's new novel - a play on franz kafka's famous first line of "the metamorphosis": a man wakes up as something different. now, a direct focus on 'race'. >> the novel really began with that idea, of a character waking up a different color. >> that was the image that hit you? hamid: yeah, it was. there was a notion that i had of wanting to write about race and identity, and it had been sitting in the back of my mind for many years. but i needed, i guess, a novelistic way into the idea. >> he would write a kind of fable, with the provocative title, "the last white man", in which people in an unnamed place begin to wake up transformed. >> one thing that the arts and writing gets to do is to remind us that we're sort of making up things as we go along, that reality isn't as real as we might imagine it to be. and that something like race, which you might think of as an actual objective real thing, is an imagined phenomenon. and because it's imagined, it can be re-imagined. >> "t

anders asked stalin to give permission to go to the british. mol. on the eastern front.e british, the soviet union gave them amputation into service. uh, cormilla their most difficult periods of our history times. go to the british. and so he went to the british. they landed in monte cassino, this is italy, and there were really very tough long battles in 1944, i mean, polish soldiers fought there, and now they are demolishing that part of their own memory as well. here's what they do. you just showed very good footage of chancellor schultz awkwardly climbing onto a german anti-aircraft gun. well, it 's hard for him, it seems to me that he is testing, but not only opportunities to expand your image, because it is so after all. well, let's say a nerd. yes, if you call a spade a spade, but he also tests the possibilities of what can be said. what can be done without any further garbage raped, uh, corruption scandals that are starting to grow around him, such an impression that he said that the scandal was right on you and opa and already the prosecutor's office. potts doma

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were not very good, but at the same time, in the forty-first year, the formation of the army began, anderseich were more evil for them than their contradictions between the ussr and poland, here even the situation itself. it's been six years already, a long time ago it was possible to form a battalion from the liberated territories, just good. to perceive from ukraine people who leave from there by hook or by crook for various reasons is a process. now quietly begins in the form of volunteer battalions. yes , it should have been launched 6 months ago wonderful. you know that we are much smaller than our russian proverb that we slowly harness. yes, unfortunately, and it is paid in blood. thank you very much dmitry steshin is in direct contact with us special correspondent komsomolskaya pravda. we are not afraid to raise acute questions, necessary questions, important questions of alexei alekseevich this is what it means that we are raising these questions we are discussing that we are already ready for everyone to understand that it will not be possible to stand aside from this conflict, th

parties, the parents care most about their children and the other children to get a good education anderthat the biggest supporters that i have in 2013, in the cities where the pastors of most of the major churches in places like new york and camden in trenton. and of all of the denominations including it moms in muzzle below a muslim mosque in patterson and other places because they say to me, and ied was governor, we are tired of seeing the children who sit in our pew every sunday, constantly be filled by the public school system and now, the reason is 2.3, is that the teachers union across the country spent a lot of money in making sure that it doesn't is a leica here now and here our current governor telling that we have the best schools in america, okay and for some kids, and he's the democrat who was about to be the one who cares more about the underprivileged. ... about the failure in our urbn schools because to do that would run counter to his patrons in the teacher's union. and you all saw when i ran against the page the teachers union 09 and 10 and 11. they beat me senseless. t

host: carol anders ask authors what their favorite books are, or what they are currently reading. i want to go >> i want to go what you said about currently reading, usually we get specific titles but this is quote from an e-mail, a brazilian. [laughter] i'm a judge in the nonfiction category for the national book award. some of your books have been listed for that as well. >> that's -- what are you eating? a bazillion books. [laughter] are coming in and i'm going to them, they are fascinating. it is intriguing seen authors wrestle with different types of subjects across the board. >> this is your first time being a judge? >> judge for the national book award. other than the judge last year but the pulitzer, this is the first one from the national book award. >> books you have to be before the ceremony in november. >> we get somewhere between 600 to 700 books, a bazillion. [laughter] and just plowing through them to really make sure we make good choices. >> favorite books, jasmine ward. even worst and it looks. steve larson, the girl who kicked the hornets nest. work without mercy

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we've had three days of stock selloff as we know and we're me anderring a bit and big august jobs reportmcdonalds up 1% and goldman sachs up a third of a percent and s&p 500 winners, netflix, paypal, gilead sciences and nasdaq winners as well. big tech was a stronger earlier in the session. but still up. netflix up 3.5%. that's pretty good. again, charter, paypal, gilead on that list. still ahead, martha mccallen, laura trump, and more. the 11:00 a.m. hour of "varney & co." is next. ♪ ash >> we're the third and >> stronger moment growth, slower growth, a weakness in productivity growth. that's what we're seeing. >> biden trying to rewrite history here, take democrats off the hot plate for encouraging crime. it's also one of the top issues where biden's approval ratings are way, way under water. >> the more the conversation is about donald trump, the less the conversation is about joe biden and the mess joe biden and the democrats are making with the economy and the better it is for the democratic party. it's no surprise the democrats are looking in slightly better shape today than they w

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joining me now is drjake anders, deputy director of the ucl centre for education policy and equalisingat was i think early on _ the government with what was i think early on called the glide path, albeit— early on called the glide path, albeit that in some ways i think that is— albeit that in some ways i think that is a — albeit that in some ways i think that is a misleading name, given it is moving — that is a misleading name, given it is moving the results back on the other— is moving the results back on the other direction as rapidly as they came _ other direction as rapidly as they came in— other direction as rapidly as they came in the direction during the covid _ came in the direction during the covid crisis. when looking at the results _ covid crisis. when looking at the results today, the important thing is that— results today, the important thing is that the — results today, the important thing is that the relevant comparative is 2019 in— is that the relevant comparative is 2019 in terms of understanding them, which _ 2019 in terms of understanding them, which was _ 2019 in te