he absolutely, genuinely believes that he won and that the election was stolen from him. >> andrew mccabet point, does it matter? if he convinced himself based on no evidence, despite over the repeated reports from his senior lieutenants that the election was not stolen, does it matter that he still believed that dream? >> right, well, again, with respect to the j 6 committee, the story they're trying to tell, not necessarily with respect to the criminal prosecution, the answer is maybe. but i would note that it is illustrative of this theme throughout trump's presidency. remember, we only got to bill barr because trump removed jeff sessions because he wouldn't essentially be a yes man, he recused himself from the russia investigation. these hearings are showing he's just going down the line farther and farther to see who will potentially be his ally and when he finally got the pushback that, no, the entire justice department would resign, putting jeff clark in there, that's when he stopped. but who is to say when he would have. and i think these inconsistencies with ivanka's statements a

andrew mccabe and he's here now. i am glad that you are here. you heard me just speak to the chief of some of the questions we all have, why did it take so long? what's the law enforcement timeline we are dealing with here and why have we gotten answers? >> i ask your perspective of the idea of the barricade verses the active shooter. >> i don't understand why this distinction continue to be highlighted here. if it was a barricaded situation, what is the protocol? why the distinction? >> great question, laura. an active shooter where a situation you have someone shooting in the public space that's occupied by many people. that's clearly the situation we have here. a barricaded subject is when you have one person who's armed and blocked themselves off in a closed space and essentially resisting law enforcement. even in the barricaded subject situation which is not what we had in uvalde, if that person is holding hostages, you always have a tactical team present and ready to go in as soon as you sense that barricaded subject presents a threat to t

i want to get some perspective now from former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. andrew, you and i spoke, it was the day after the shooting when i was down there and you were raising questions then about, you know, this response, which clearly, it was -- there was something that was not right, it was obvious that 40 minutes to an hour go by when there's an active shooter situation, that is a complete reversal and complete, you know, ignoring active shooter protocol. what do you make of the chief's responses here? >> well, i have to first say, anderson, as a member of the law enforcement community, as a leader in the law enforcement community, i have enormous pride in my own service to this country and for what my colleagues did and continue to do and as a member of that community, i have to tell you, this is sickening to watch. it is absolutely so -- it is so contrary to everything that you are taught and encouraged to do as a person who is entrusted with protecting the community. to have this man literally hiding behind the grief of families who are burying their

i want to get to department director andrew mccabe. you were raising questions then about this response which clearly was -- there was something that was not right and it was obvious 40 minutes to an hour go by when there is an active shooter situation, that's a complete reversal and ignoring active shooter protocol. what do you make of chief arredondo's responses? >> i want to say as a member of the law enforcement community, i have enormous pride in my own service to this country and for what my colleagues did and continue to do. as a member of that community, i have to tell you this is sickening to watch. it is absolutely so -- it is so contrary, everything that you are talked and encouraged to do as a person entrusted to protect with the community to have this man literally hiding the grief behind families who are burying their children. it is absolutely, it is horrendous and it is in explicable. he should be called out by people like shimon as often as possible. i can't explain it. >> how is this stage in the investigation suppose

. >> joining me is andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi. n interesting to watch these hearings and watch some of this testimony in particular from your perspective, i wish i could have been in the room when you were watching the testimony we just viewed a few moments ago to get your reaction. let's talk about it now. the idea that all these lawmakers were asking for a pardon? i mean, what does that suggest to you? >> jim, it suggests what we call in the investigative and prosecutorial business as evidence of guilty knowledge, right? this is one that is exactly as it appears to be. people don't request pardons unless they have some concern that behavior and activities they were involved in might leave them susceptible to criminal accountability. the fact that we have a handful, five by my count, of sitting united states congresspeople who thought that they might have been engaged in some criminal activity towards the end of the administration is remarkable and depressing comment on the state of the end of that administration. >> and we heard

andrew mccabe, you're the former deputy director. what's your reaction? >> this has got to be incredibly uncomfortable to the secret service, all the men and women, particularly those who serve the president. they never want to be in a position of opposing a president or former president, providing information that might make a former president look bad so this is very tough on them. however, it is also a test of their integrity and where they are today. they absolutely need to come forward and be clear and transparent with what they know. put that information in the hands of the committee and allow justice and our processes to take its course no matter where that ends up so it's good to see that. >> i spent a lot of time with the secret service when i was a white house correspondent. seven years. it was amazing, shocking to me, to hear that the president of the united states in that suv actually went for the throat of his top secret service agent when he didn't want to drive him to the capitol and join them. >> these are people who would take a bullet fo

. >> andrew mccabe, the former the direct deputy director of the fbi. he is the author of, the threat, how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump. good to see you, andrew, thanks for joining us. let's look at these federal charges. 10 counts each of hate crimes, and use of firearms to commit murder, one for each person killed, and three cans of hate crime and another three of on charges for the people injured by but not killed. he is in court tomorrow, what do you think of these charges? do you think they will stick? >> they will definitely stick. this is -- first of all, it was incomprehensible to me that he would not face federal hate crimes charges. if you are not going to charge this shooter with hate crimes, why do we have the statute at all? it is not the most clear-cut case of higgins ever seen. he left an extensive manifesto, you could call it, which lays out explicitly why he was committing this offense. as you know, the hate crime statute requires that you engage in a violent crime, cause bodily injury or death because of actua

. >> here to discuss now cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi. he's the author of "the threat, how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump." good to see you, andrew. thanks for joining. so let's look at these federal charges. ten counts each of hate crimes and use of firearms to commit murder. one for each person killed, and three counts of hate crime and another three of gun charges for the people injured but not killed. he is in court tomorrow, so what do you think of these charges? do you think they'll stick? >> oh, they'll definitely stick. i mean, this is -- first of all, don, it was incomprehensible to me that he would not face federal hate crimes charges. if you're not going to charge this shooter with hate crimes why do we have a statute at a all? it's about the most clear-cut case of hate crimes i've ever seen. he left a expensive manifesto i guess we can call it that lays out explicitly why he was committing this offense. and of course as you know the hate crime statute requires that you engage in a violent c

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andrew mccabe former fbi deputy director. senior legal analyst. alice stewart and david axle rod. we have it all covered for you. i'll start with you, to put this into perspective for us. cassidy hutchinson hearing how trump lunged at the secret service because the agent refused to take him to the capitol after the speech on january 6. the portrait of violence and rage she painted it was devastating testimony. she painted that a picture of a president out of control. >> she definitely did. that particular story was as you described it, it was a president out of control. it was secondhand information. she admitted that. and as you said in the intro-that is being disputed by the people she says told her the story. and say they would say so under oath. that is because that was so dramatic, it's understandably one that we are remembering and talking about. however, there's so much that she testified to today that she witnessed firsthand. conversations that she had that she was involved in. like the one you were talking about with the then white house counsel pat cipollone. very worrie

deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe joins us now. ething like this, so we can't really be shocked. but i'm still stunned that this is happening in america. >> it's an incredibly timely warning we got from dhs yesterday, which describes almost perfectly what we saw play out last night in front of the justice's house. the thing that resonates with me, laura, is that the warning that we got basically said extremists of all sorts are going to be or could be motivated by these major upcoming events like the impending release of the court's decision on the abortion issue, like the upcoming midterm elections, other events. and those folks can be motivated to get involved in acts of mass violence. they've got plenty of examples. they're seeing mass shootings on television on our coverage, other coverage every single day. those things can inspire people who are on the edge. >> we used to talk about grievance politics as part of the campaign platform. now we see it's a catalyst for possible violence. >> it certainly seems that way, right? you l

senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi. us this morning. this has been a mess, let's call it like it is, from the very beginning, between the changing narratives. rosa pointed out, the conflicting information, the timelines. now you have the mayor going after colonel mcgraw here, and going after the on-scene commander. as we look at all of this, if the families and local officials can't even get a straight answer here, how confident are you that this investigation is really going to get to the bottom of what happened, that we're going to know? >> erica, i don't think there's any reason to have confidence in the investigative entities that we've heard from so far. so those are your local officials in uvalde and the texas department of public safety and colonel mcgraw and everyone else. we've heard nothing but misinformation, and a lot of which, i would point out, seems, at least in retrospect, to have been specifically geared to shed the best light possible on the law enforcement response. so that makes it look even worse, w

let's speak with andrew mccabe and whitehouse cancel, john dean. this is a minister. certainly suspenseful. i cannot wait to see what happens. john, for the committed to suddenly announce the mix into the entry, you say, this better. the big deal. i agree. why do you say that? >> i look back on the country when the last time they had a surprise witness, it was during the watergate committee hearing. he was a big witness. he set a high bar. i tweeted that and got a really remarkable reaction from thousands of people, including some well informed people who told me, don't worry. it's a big deal. >> okay. thousands of well-informed people. all right. well, we will see -- go ahead, you want to respond to that, john? >> i might have over spoken on thousands. some well informed people. some particularly well informed people responded at told me, don't worry. >> that's a big deal. andrew mccabe, running the january 6 hearing. according to sources familiar with the panel's plans. part of the reason why the committee is being so secretive about who will appear, give us your re

let's dig deeper with analyst andrew mccabe. we appreciate you sharing part of your saturday with us. in the heat of the moment, as you know, witnesses often report inaccurate things. at this point, ten days out from or 11 days out from the incident. there are so many inconsisten as is from police. they said the gunman was confronted by a school resource officer. the list goes on. have you ever confronted an investigation like this where there are so many corrections having to be made? >> this is unique in that respect, boris. you are absolutely right. in the heat of the moment, in the immediate aftermath of the critical incident, the information you get is largely from witnesses and much ends up being inaccurate. you figure those things out in the minutes and hours and days that follows. at this point, especially when you have a detailed record of established facts. established by video coverage or calls to 911 that are dated and time stamped and communications to other people. those all set up indelible markers, if you will. t

andrew mccabe is former deputy director of the fbi and he's here now. andrew, i'm glad you're here. you heard me just speak to the chief about some of the questions we have all had. the idea of how could it have taken so long, why did it take so long, what is the law enforcement timeline we're dealing with here, and why haven't we gotten those answers? i ask from your perspective, of course, about this idea of the barricade versus the active shooter. i'm not sure people understand why this distinction continues to be highlighted here. if it was a barricade situation, what is the protocol versus an active shooter? why the distinction? >> sure. great question, laura. so an active shooter, as most people are familiar now, is a situation where you have someone shooting in a public space that's occupied by many people. that's clearly the situation we had here. a barricaded subject is when you have usually one person who is armed and has blocked themselves off in a closed space. it is essentially resisting law enforcement. sometimes you have a barricaded subject who is also holding hostag

joining us now to discuss is former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. where do we start? just back to the parents, can you imagine being a parent and having all of these narratives, contradicting narratives consistently? >> well, poppy, like you and jim, i am a parent and the idea that you could not trust the law enforcement officials who you rely upon to protect your children because you would be given such a morass of conflicting information that you can't really take them at their word, so even now when they come out to try to correct a piece of misinformation, like the propping open of the door, for example, you just have to step back and shake your head and wonder, like, when are they going to change their minds about that next? and this will completely undermine the community's faith and the conclusions of this investigation about who did what when and what the lessons learned here were. just a terrible situation for the community to be in. and it is really a self-inflicted wound by law enforcement involved. >> okay, clearly accountability is key here. so and that c

andrew mccabe, thanks to you, as well. >>> in uvalde, texas, tonight, more young victims of the school massacre have now been laid to rest, as local officials keep dodging important questions about the police' response. cnn's omar jimenez is on the scene for us. omar, two weeks after this shooting, are the people of the community -- sqand you are ther on the ground -- any closer to getting real answers? >> well, wolf, that is the major question at this point. it is bean ten days since the last official briefing to the public from the texas department of public safety. but even when we were getting regular updates, some of that information quickly began to conflict. now, they are punting all questions to the uvalde county district attorney, citing an ongoing investigation. dps, though, did release a statement today reading in part, the texas ranger' investigation is taking place at the can of district attorney christina mitchell of the 38th judicial district as this is still very much an active and ongoing investigation, it is appropriate at this stage to refer all questions to the da's

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. >>> let's bring in cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe to get his insight and perspective en this. he's the former deputy director of the fbi. good morning. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. just want to get your perspective on this group, these 31 people arrested, believed to be associated with patriot front, an offshoot of an organization that helped incite the riot in charlottesville. >> that's right, boris. so that organization formerly called itself vanguard america. as you would expect, after their disastrous appearance in charlottesville in which one of their members ran down with his vehicle a counterprotester, the organization went about a pretty concerted effort to rebrand themselves and to kind of clean up their image and that's when they -- many of them started to organize around this name, patriot front. they're known to be a presence at white nationalist events around the country. they typically are engaged in these somewhat performative acts of protest where everybody shows up in the same tan pants and blue shirt and white balaclavas coverin

andrew mccabe, thank you so much. >>> well, just a few hours from now, the january 6th committee will gavel in its fourth public hearing, expected to present evidence connecting former president trump to the scheme to try to get an alternate rogue slate of electors submitted to overturn the 2020 election results. it will also highlight the pressure campaign on several state -- high level state officials. >> today we're going to hear from state officials in georgia and arizona. two states that trump lost. this includes georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger, republican who resisted trump's effort to pressure him to, you'll remember the quote, find the votes necessary for the then president to win georgia. in this, now infamous january 2021 phone call. have a listen. >> so, look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> joining me now is former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers. jennifer, let's begin with the first witnesses, rusty bowers, the republican speaker of the arizona

andrew mccabe, what does it tell you that, after peddling this bogus theory, trump ally, the lawyer, john eastman, was actually wound up angling for a pardon? i guess, suspecting he could be charged with a criminal ba-- wi a crime? >> it certainly fits into what we as prosecutors and agents particularly think of as guilty knowledge. right? so this is after admitting over the course of multiple meetings on the 4th, several meetings on the 5th, knowing what he was proposing was illegal. blithely dismissing when pointed out that what he was proposing would likely result in massive violence in the streets, he dismisses that as something that is necessary and has happened before in the republic. and throughout this -- this relentless pressure on pursuing this illegal conspiracy, let's call it, at the end of this sordid tale, he makes the phone call to rudy giuliani and says i -- i'm going to need a pardon for this. >> during his testimony, they revealed today, he pled the fifth about 100 times. couldn't answer questions pleading the fifth. everybody, stand by. we have a lot more to discus

. >> i want to bring in former fbi director andrew mccabe. andrew, again, man. >> hey, don. >> i know it's crazy, right? i spoke to tulsa police captain tonight and he confirmed the shooting was connected to a bomb thre threat. he couldn't say how because they're investigating, but does that tell you anything? >> i guess provisionally it tells us that authorities in tulsa are handling their their disaster in a very different way than what we've seen in uvalde in the last week. they're trying to be as trance parent as they can be at this point very, very early on in the investigation. we already know how many fatalities they've had, how many injuries they've had, and we're starting to learn more about the subject in terms of being involved in that other activity. so i think we'll probably learn a lot more as the hours go on. this is a very, very familiar position for us to be in. you and i have had these conversations many, many times. here we are again talking about trying to sort through the details of what happened around a mass shooting inc

. >> joining us now former cnn fbi analyst andrew mccabe. andrew, your reaction to the committee's subpoena of pat cipollone. you think it's likely he would actually comply? >> i think it's highly unlikely that he'll comply. he should comply. there is plenty of conversations that we now know that mr. cipollone had with many people in and around the white house that did not include the president of the united states, and therefore would presumably not be privileged. he clearly has relevant, important evidence to provide to the committee. i think he should sit down and be interviewed under oath. but i would also assume that he is probably very focused on preserving the -- you know, not becoming the white house counsel who testified against his president. and that's going to be a tough obstacle for him to overcome. >> do government attorneys have any sort of ethical obligation to cooperation with an investigation, whether it be congressional or criminal? and maybe you can help explain the difference between a white house counsel and the personal

but if you refuse a subpoena like eric holder did or if you lie to a federal investigator like andrew mccabeoath to the u.s. congress like both james brennan and john clapper, there's no consequence, very little. and so the law is designed on the premise that the noble end justifies any means necessary and the left has defined those means as radical equality, fairness, social justice, not the constitutional law. and so i think right now people are really weird, bizarre. they see may 31, 2020, a mob from lafayette square tries to torch down an historic church, tries to swarm on federal property the white house grounds, sends a president into a bunker with his family and there's very little consequence. compared to january 6th. and so i think the law is very fluid. merrick garland is much to blame so is joe biden but it's part of the left ideology and it's very scary because i think most americans realize if you are of a particular political persuasion and you break the law or you're accused to breaking the law you're going to be treated very differently. >> tucker: yeah. stephen colbert is ex

law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe breaks down what actions may be scrutinized here. >> what investigators will do is focus on those undis dsdisputab facts, things like the time line in the way that it is established by things like the video capture inside the school, the phone calls to 911 that happened at definitive places and times, maybe phone records between people who were involved in the incident, the dispatcher calls to the law enforcement folks on the scene, and then they will add into that the information they get from witnesses, whether those are police officers or leadership folks, or in this case one of the most critical sources of information is from the actual child survivors. and that is as you would understand as a mom incredibly sensitive thing do to do, to be able to sit down with some of those children, what they saw, what they said to each other, maybe if they made those 911 phone calls. so you lay in all of those -- all that informational narrative that you get from those interviews on top of the undisputable facts that help you frame up the time line. in this situati

andrew mccabe, lisa page, peter strzok. all of them lead to the feds as well. that's a crime. none were hauled off and leg irons. they are now at cnn, msnbc and georgetown respectively. they were rewarded with better jobs for what they did. they always are. jim clapper and john brennan committed perjury on television before congress. there is no dispute about that. what do they do, they are on tv too. hunter biden lied on a federal gun forum. that's a felony. how was he punished? a mild probing on cbs that he shrugged off as if it were nothing. watch. >> why did you have a gun? >> again, it was it. in my life that was difficult. i don't know. >> according to the reporting a one point the secret service went looking for the record of sale. do know anything about that? >> nothing. >> they do know about the secre service being involved? >> not at all. i don't know. i don't think that is true. >> i don't know why the secret service were involved. really? you had no idea? they were with you. they helped you. you committed a gun felony. it's all out there. but hunter biden is the pr

. >>> i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. hi there. a harsh reality in the cub is many gun laws are mandated at the state level and also so many guns in circulation. how much impact can the federal regulations have if these provisions are put into law? >> as you know, pam, the federal government can legislate on gun saferty measures and then states can enact their own legislation and can go beyond what the federal government requires but can't do less than that. and that's assuming that although legislation that's passed is consistent with the constitutional requirements under the second amendment. a complicated system there but this from what little we know about the details about this agreement, it is not a law just yet, it is not clear to me there's hard lines to require the states to do anything different. we talk about red flag laws and things of that nature why doing further investigation of minors that needs a lot more detail attached to it. i don't know what that will require but an additional period of time for the fbi or an i

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let's bring in andrew mccabe and scott jennings and joining us now cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. happy to have you joining. thank you so much. let's talk about what you thought about tonight. stunning new video, testimony from ivanka trump, jared kushner, bill barr. did the committee accomplish what they needed to on their first night? >> well, i'm certainly interested in tuning in to hear more. i do think, you know, in the end we know at the end of the night what we knew at the beginning of the night and what we knew on january 6th itself, which is that the mob wouldn't have been there had donald trump not attacked the election and summon the mob in order to stop his defeat from being finalized, right? so we already knew that. but i do think the nexus of information they laid out, the thousand interviews and the transcripts that we have yet to receive suggest there's an enormous amount still to be learned. i certainly have learned a lot and i think i've read just about everything, you know, up until now. >> yeah. listen, i think you're right, but i also think that we live this,

joining me now, cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbiy fascinating bulletin, and very forward leaning of dhs to put this out. we have a number of high profile events coming up that could force extremists to justify acts of violence. some of those include the decision, the upcoming decision on the roe v. wade case, changes on border policy that could result in increased immigration, and the election at the end of the year. the second thing they're saying here is that the range of targets is enormous. they're concerned about schools, government facilities, religious institutions, large gatherings of people, government employees. so it's really putting everybody on alert. and finally, their concern that foreign actors, and you can insert the word "russia" here would be looking to take advantage of this strife and acts of violence to further sow discord and chaos. so it's a multilevel warning we're getting. >> you mentioned they do lean towards foreign adversaries. but this bulletin is the sixth issued sixth, and it keeps the pattern with dh

i want to bring in cnn political analyst seth, andrew mccabe and political commentator scott jennings we would have a woman on the civil affairs joining us later. it wasn't supposed to be just guys. glad you are here to talk about this, seriously. i want people -- people say why don't you say how you really feel. say how you really feel. the committee knows the stakes are high. do you think they succeeded in showing americans making their case to americans, reminding them of the disaster that we came close to? >> i think they accomplished their goals in terms of refocusing the political energy on this moment on this day. we have to be honest here that democrats are -- the committee, you know, a bipartisan committee, is doing multiple things here. they are trying to lay out a legal case and refocus political energy on this moment. it dovetails with the democrats midterm strategy to paint republicans as irresponsibletu stewards of democracy. that's what -- and this is -- >> you think this is a midterm strategy? i that from the right. maybe it is -- >> i am not -- >> no, no, no there is

. >> andrew mccabe talked about, i guess, the file number, the case number. it was something that was -- that led him to believe there was something other than might be the standard investigation because of that. is you see that segment? is you understand that? >> i didn't see file number. i wasn't fed the file number. >> there was something about -- >> i defer to andy on tharjts led him to believe that it was, you know, had something to do with an inspector general or the fbi that was something that was unusual. i found it was fascinate. i will get clarification from him. remember the committee showed testimony from the rnc chairwoman, romney mcdaniel, saying trump called her to use fake electors and trump passed the phone to john eastman. listen to this. >> he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gathers these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. i think more helping them reach out and assemble them. b

andrew mccabe. cnn is learning the committee is concerned about the safety of a potential witness ahead of hearing. that's according to to sources familiar with the panel plans. it's part of the reason the committee is being so secretive about who will appear. give us your read? does that offer any clues? >> it really doesn't, don. it's a kind of a strange thing to say. typically when you have security concerns for a witness, you would probably try to keep that quiet. and you would take some action to ensure or increase security for that witness. like having a witness testify behind a screen so that the rest of the world can't see who they are. or changing the te nor of their voice and mask that in a way. it's odd they drew attention to the fact somebody is having security concerns. that's not typically the way to do it. it's kind of the fascinating mystery. i agree, they really drawn a lot of attention to this thing now. i hope the informed people are correct that this will be something significant

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>> joined now my michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson, also andrew mccabe, former deputy directorretary benson, the video of people protesting outside your home, i don't care what side of the political aisle somebody is on, the idea of protesters outside their home in the middle of night screaming at them -- it can't capture what it must have been like to have that happen to you. what is that? how do you describe that? >> as i said to the committee, the uncertainty, everything that unfolded minute by minute, we didn't know what was going to happen next. for a full 45 minutes, all that stood between my family and those on the street was one neighborhood security guard. it wasn't just my house. my neighbors who also have kids in the middle of the night hearing these things shouted outside their windows. it was fterrifying. it was terrifying. at the same time, i also vividly remember feeling -- recognizing these folks, they weren't protesting me as a person. they were protesting our elections, our democracy, the will of the people in the state of michigan. through that recognition, i

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joining me now, senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi and jonathan, a former secret service agent. andy, start with tulsa because we are standing by for this press conference from officials right now. what is your initial take on what happened here? >> well, kate, it seems that what we're seeing in tulsa is the very unfortunately common response to a mass shooting. this is what we kind of expected to see. very rapid response by police officers who entered the building. i think the numbers we heard, it's been reported they were there within three minutes, heard where the gunfire was coming from and ran to that location. by the time they got there the shooter had killed himself and we had unfortunately more deaths. that's what you expect from a response to an active shooter event. it stands out quite frankly because it's so different than what we saw in uvalde. >> sadly, that is definitely the case. you're right. the fact that the law enforcement, that law enforcement is saying that shooter went in to that building, went to this floor even in that buil

let's bring in terry gainer, and the former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, a cnn senior law enforcementry gainer. as rioters were coming closer to pence, trump tweeted about him not showing the courage, not doing what the united states of america needed, as a law enforcement matter, not as a prosecutorial matter, it does seem like that incited the crowd. >> absolutely it did. i think it added to the kind of conversation he had down on the ellipse, and when i heard it, it sounded to me like he could have tweeted, torah, torah, torah, attack. he gave them the signal to go and they got worse in the capitol at that time. >> let me just put up the pictures of pence. this is when he's underground in a secure location. before that, you saw the schematic of the capitol 40 feet away. how close was he to danger? >> he was extremely close. 40 feet, picture less than half of a football field. even when he was in his office, and rioters were below, the actual distance was close. so we know how to get people in and out of there. we would have been coordinating with the secret service, and it relies o

joining our conversation andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi. to show quickly, we need to show this how deep it is. this is a post on truth social saying we should hang them all. hang them all. we have a first amendment right in the united states, but is that enough to get a knock at the door from the fbi or the local police department? >> oh, i should think it probably is. and that's not -- let's be clear. that's a knock at the door isn't necessarily a criminal prosecution in sending someone to jail over what they said. but the capitol police and the united states secret service all have a responsibility to protect these dignitaries. and when they come across threat information of this nature, they typically make contact with the sources of those threats to conduct a threat assessment to figure out is this just online puff puffery, or is this something that we have to factor into our protection of this individual. so i think it's a pretty good -- the odds are pretty good that some of the folks would be contacted at some point. >> and carrie, i

joining us cnn chief national affairs analyst kasie hunt and the former fbi director, andrew mccabe,f legal analyst jeffrey toobin. how big of an admission is this from former secretary of education betsy devos especially coming on this, the first night of these public hearings? >> it's pretty remarkable, wolf, because there is the first time we think that we've heard this directly from one of the people involved in these conversations, an acknowledgement from someone who would have been in line to make a decision along those lines and the way she explained it had to do with the then sitting vice president mike pence who seemed to indicate he didn't want to go down this route. we also know it was discussed by members of congress. we heard kevin mccarthy on tapes that were published by a pair of new york times reporters where he discusses whether the 25th amendment is something that's actually possible. the time line would have been too long to sort through this at the time, but i think big picture, this helps us get an additional window into how the republicans that trump had include

and andrew mccabe james clapper and john brennan and lois lerner, they all had one thing in common. they had enormous powers. they all lied under oath or said they could not remember and there were no punishments at all. even somebody with a sterling reputation that we all honor robert mueller. how could robert mueller run a 22 month long investigation? based on the steel dossier and its dissemination by fusion gps and testify under oath. to the house intelligence committee. when asked that he had no idea what the dossier was. he had no idea. what gps was in other words he had no idea why his committee existed his commissioned existed in the first place. and that that was 22 months post-facto. so it's very dangerous to invest and give up your constitutional rights to people who are not elected and they're growing greater and larger as the individual citizen fields. that they are losing their independence and they need someone to instruct them someone to house them someone to give them education someone to give them legal advice for someone to protect them the more that they want pro

andrew mccabe, lisa page, peter strupp, all of them lied to the feds as well. that's a crimeas. none of them were ever hauled off in leg irons. in fact, they're now at cnn, msnbc and georgetown respectively. they were rewardednband with betterlw jobs for what they did there. we saw jim clapper and johnbr brennan committed perjury on television before congress. there's no dispute about that . what do they do? they oh , they're on tv now. hu hunternt biden lied on a federal gun form. that's a felony. how was he punished? only mildsh probing on cbs that he just shrugged off as if. it were nothing. watch. >> why did you have a gun? well, i again, period in my life that was difficult. it was. but you know, i don't know.co according to the reporting, at one point the secreton service went looking for the record of sale. what do you think about. nothing? so what do you know about the secret service being involved? no, i have no ideaou. i don't know whether the secret service were or why they would think that that's true . that that's i don't know what the secret service are involvedet.