what does former federal prosecutor, andrew weissmann, say now? - [announcer] "firing line" with margaret hoover is made possible in part by robert granieri, charles r schwab, the fairweather foundation, the margaret a daniel loeb foundation, the asness family foundation, jeffrey and lisa bewkes, peter and mary kalikow, and by craig newmark philanthropies, the rosalind p walter foundation, damon button, the center for the study of the international economy, inc., the pritzker military foundation on behalf of the pritzker military museum and library, and the mark haas foundation. corporate funding is provided by stevens inc. - andrew weissmann, welcome to "firing line". - nice to be here. - as former president trump was entering the courthouse in lower manhattan, you said it was both "sad to see "and also affirming of the criminal justice system." why? - it, there's no question it's sad to see the debasing of the white house, that you had somebody who committed these alleged crimes in the white house. when you read the charges, the actual payments

and andrew weissmann is also with, us former fbi genera counsel and former chief of th criminal division in the eastern district of new york he's a professor of practice a nyu law school and an msnb legal analysts kathryn christian, let me just begin with you, and what we're seeing in this correspondent that, this unprecedented correspondence that th district internees office is engaging in. very much to my amusement so far, where we have at leas this confirmation from them an writing that we are talkin about multiple, multiple crime that will be charged when we see this on tuesday. what are you expecting, give everything we know at this point, do you have a expectation of what we will se on tuesday when these charge are revealed >> you know, i do not want t speculate. if the indictment is an appeal i think -- 30 counts, but, you know, don't want to speculate. i have no idea i don't think there are thre counts of falsifying busines records, but it is, you know i've had discussion with som lawyer friends of mine fro prosecutors, we were sort of speculating that, maybe, you know, there mig

thank you for being a part o our journey here >> my thanks to my frien andrew weissmann for welcomingome and be sure to check out andrew's amazing new msnbc podcast series, prosecutin donald trump andrew and mary mccord teame up to talk about how to build legal case, when the defendant is a former president. scan the qr code on your scree to listen and follow and coming up next, a bi announcement about a big interview i'm going to be doin next week. we'll tell you who it is after the break. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet. (woman) it's a perfect fit for my small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon. and this is ready to go online! any questions? yeah, i got one: how about the best network imaginable? let's invent that! that's what we do here. quick survey. who wants their internet to work pretty much everywhere? and it needs to run smooth, like, super, super, super, super smooth. hey, should you be drin

neil kept yellin andrew weissmann are back with us. of justic investigation. >> i think it is going to be a race to the finish to whethe we see rick georgia or mar-a-lago documents and obstruction case first. i thin both of them could happen quit soon. particularly the mar-a-lago case, we are also hearing reports that jack smit is going to be interviewing ar putting in the grand jur secret service agents, who could be additional witnesse to what happened there. and on interesting thing, wit everyone speculating that this is not great that manhatta went first, because it seems like really serious case, yo could end up in a situatio where these maga republicans and others are lashing themselves to donald trump now but they really go over th cliff when we have indictmen to, and diamond three, indictment for, and all sign are that this is going t happen. and they are sort of casting their lot right now, with what they think is th least serious case, although i think it is worthy o prosecution. but i think all signs are that the other cases

all right, andrew weissmann, let me begin with you and what we saw in the judges ruling so far which seems to apply a this stage only till tomorrow' arraignment, no cameras in the courtroom, no electronic devices, no live tweeting. cameras allowed in the hallway essentially, this seems to b the way the same judge handled the allen weisselber prosecution. >> yes, the judge has a lot of discretion as to what he i going to allow and this was a little bit more than i expected because he i allowed some cameras, as rache and you discussed at the opening, at least the very beginning. and i agree with you that it may not be what he does for th trial. he may allow that live tweetin if it's used without the camer function i think he wants to protec people for safety. there is a question of the dignity of the proceeding. so i think it was well withi his discretion as dan can spea to he's a very well respected judge. he is not going to take th bait from the defense. but he's also going to be very fair to both sides so he's a very - it's a very good decision. because imagine decisions goin morale

this is serious stuff. >> neil castillo, andrew weissmann, thank you again ver much for starting off ou discussion tonight we always appreciate it. thank you. you can listen to more o andrew weissmann's analysis of the trump indictment on the ne episode of msnbc's podcast series, prosecuting donald trump. when we come back, donald trum called for death and destruction in new york city lights today what he got was our next guest and me on a beautiful da wandering around his tiny grou of protesters who never got chance to see him, and mostl looked as disputed as donald trump looked at the defens table that's next. ♪♪ ♪♪ cargurus. shop. buy. sell. online. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. cargurus. now, skyrizi helps me get going by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after two starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi, 90% clearer skin and

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we have congressman adam schiff to and andrew weissmann to so it is often talk about what' happening with the question of jim jordan obtaining testimony from a former prosecutor who worked for alvin bragg that became a pretty hotly argued motion today in federal court. the judge ruled very quickly so quickly that it's very clea that the opinion was written before the argument took place also later in the hour, more important, lee merritt is gonn join us, the attorne representing ralph yarl, the 1 year old shot twice for ringin the wrong doorbell and o course as you know, ralph is a home, under the care of hi mother, who is a nurse, so the first thing will find out is how ralph is doing, and then we'll find out more about th status of that case. >> those are really importan voices on a night like this, lawrence sounds like a good show. >> thank you, alex >> goodnight >> today, a trump appointe federal judge in manhattan deciding whether to block subpoena by jim jordan to former prosecutor in manhattan district attorney alvin bragg' office, and in that case the trump judge accused one

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. >> andrew weissmann, i know yo spent a lot of time around courtrooms and i am not sure how often you have see courthouse workers crying fo defendants in white collar crime cases. the only thing we have in the video are the nypd officers letting the door slam on donald trump as they pass through the door in front of him, they won't even open th door for them, and we don't se any tears in that video. but i guess we are going to have t get used to donald trump describing courthouse worker all over the country, if he ha -- as he might be, in that kin of crying for donald trump because he is so unfairly -- >> i think, dan, who spent years as a federal prosecuto also, i think he and i of th same experience. that is not common. the people who are crying in court are you know,. at times the defendant certainly the defendants famil for understandable reasons court officers and polic officers are trained, they jus keep that all inside, whenever they are thinking, i can't say that i think that they have ton of sympathy for people who are charged. they know that th people who are charged are the

we heard about it's expected to be more than 30 counts i will ask andrew weissmann instead. whether this becomes a felony. we expect it will be a felony. it will depend what the underlying charges will be, what will elevate this to a felony. walk us through what specifically you will be looking for in the explanation for how alvin bragg makes what is usually a misdemeanor a felony >> sure. everyone is thinking that the charges are going to be limited to this so-called hush money scheme not go into the larger financial case that by all accounts may still be under investigation and still could be brought if it is related to the hush money scheme only, the key crime is filing or creating a false business record. katie, as you said, that's something that that simple charge is a misdemeanor under new york law however, if it is done to further or to cover up any other crime, presumably any other state crime, although there's an open issue whether it could be a federal crime, but if you are doing this to advance or cover up another crime, it can be a felony what is unknown and what

and you can listen to more o andrew weissmann's analysis on the trump indictment of the ne episode of msnbc's podcast series, prosecuting donald trump. and when we come, back dow trump called for death and destruction in new york city yesterday. but what he got was our next guest and me on a beautiful da wandering around his tiny grou of protesters who never got chance to see him and mostly looked as dispirited as donald trump looked at the defens table. that's next. if your business kept on employees through the pandemic, getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if it received ppp, and all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then we'll work with you to fill out your forms and submit the application; that easy. and if your business doesn't get paid, we don't get paid. getrefunds.com has helped businesses like yours claim over $2 billion but it's only available for a limited time. go to getrefunds.com, powered by innovation refunds. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. but it's only available for a limited ti

joining me now, andrew weissmann. before going down there to be deposed, he called the attorney general a racist. that isn't going to go over too well talk to me about this case, the significance of it i think when we talked about this previously, in a civil case taking the fifth does carry other implications >> that's the interesting part of what may be occurring right now. this is a civil fraud case in connectto trump organization finances it is very detailed and scheduled for trial in the fall. as you noted, andrea, the former president took the fifth amendment many times so what she has to prove her case is not just the underlying evidence but also essentially an adverse inference when you take the fifth amendment in a civil case if, as reported, donald trump is now testifying, what he may be doing is weakening her case. it's harder to get a judge to agree there should be that adverse inference if he is now answering questions. he sees her complaint. when he did this before, he didn't have exactly what she was all

. >> andrew weissmann served a lead prosecutor on rober mueller's special counsel team he's co-host ofecuting donald trump. and he joins me now. andrew, i found this sort of comical, as jordan ticks through the different case outstanding against trump, the show how crazy the left is a opposed to how maybe it th person at the center of this i maybe not the best food. >> yes, at some point a certai segment of the american public will say, you know what? maybe one was wrong, maybe too was wrong -- but really four -- charged. you cannot make that argumen with respect to anything involving january six were s many scores and scores and scores of soldiers have been charged. and if the proof is there that donald trump lead those foot soldiers in, frankly, in a muc more concerted way than just what happened on january 6th there's no argument that h should somehow be singled ou for immunity as the leader and the same thing i mar-a-lago - we did a whole study at nyu an how that statute and tapin classified documents and unlawfully retaining them an obstructing is prosecuted. and people who have d

joining us now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel member, and of course an msnbc legal analystew, it's great to see you. -- how we were going to end up with an insurrection. and all trump connected all the dots for us. >> absolutely. >> it is a serious business here, trump tower burgers aside, what is happening in terms of the concerted and outright republican effort to downplay, to trivialize what happened on january 6th and i wonder what you think the implications of this whitewashing are for the broader attempt to seek accountability. >> i think two things that you played what happened in terms of the embracing, literally embracing the january 6th convicted defendant and what happened at waco. that is playing at a political level. but when i look at that as a former prosecutor, i see an exhibit. and this is where we will have this huge dichotomy between what donald trump is doing in the political sphere, with his base, and then in a court of law. and in a court of law, at least to date, facts and law matter. and when donald trump -- and what which i think is going to happen,

andrew weissmann joins me now. ew, great to see you again thank you for making time fo us this evening. with what you wrote in tha guest essay in mind, i want to get your reaction to what we have heard today from cy vance he revealed to my colleagu chuck todd that the southern district of new york asked him to stand out in the hush money payment case, even thoug michael cohen had alread pleaded guilty what are the implications of this, do you think >> sure. it is great to be here i think one thing that peopl need to understand is it is no that unusual for state prosecutors with other state prosecutors, or federa prosecutors with state prosecutors, or federa prosecutors with federal prosecutors, to have what ar known as turf disputes that is, that you really don't want to competing sets a prosecutors trying t investigate the exact same thing. does not fair to the people wh are being investigated it is not really good li enforcement. there is enough crime to g around and so you really want to make those decisions. so,

answer some or all questions but i don't think this is th end of the litigation over this >> andrew weissmann, i jus want to be clear about this. the opinion itself, i don' find the actual opinion itself outrageous i find it to be just wildl rhetorically out of control on its way to some positions that are defensible, their lega duty defensible and could've been weighed in a much mor modest way, and in a shorter opinion and if she wanted to b decent a pound about, it a reenact a an opinion written after the lawyers spoke. but you saw this pomerantz problem coming because you review of this book was by far the wisest thing i've read about it, and the potentia problems that it can create fo alvin bragg going forward. >> yeah, so let's start with mark pomerantz in my review i ended it by saying that if this book improperly hurts and eventua trump prosecution, one wonders if having this account of this time will have been worth it we are seeing that now when you write a book that i unauthorized without going through prepublication review, and you do it in the middle of an investigation, you ar as

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andrew weissmann, as always, thank you so much. coming up next, the suprem court central on wednesday whether to preserve the fda' approval of the drug, the firs major case on abortion tha these conservative supreme court has heard since they voted to overturn roe v. wade. minnesota senator amy klobucha joins us next. joins us next. td can be caused by some mental health meds. and it's unlikely to improve without treatment. i felt like my movements were in the spotlight. ingrezza is a prescription medicine to treat adults with td movements. ingrezza is different. it's the simple, once-daily treatment proven to reduce td that's #1 prescribed. people taking ingrezza can stay on their current dose of most mental health meds. ingrezza 80 mg is proven to reduce td movements in 7 out of 10 people. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to any of its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including sleepiness. don't drive, operate heavy machinery, or do other dangerous activities until you know how ingrezza affects you. oth

any moment now also joining me is former senior member of the mueller probe, nbc legal analyst andrew weissmann let's start where blayne left off. she's asking for heightened security and preparedness. the fact that the e. jean carroll jury is anonymous. what does this say about putting donald trump on trial? >> well, what's remarkable is it's not unheard of in gang cases, organized crime cases, which are criminal matters, to have an anonymous and even a sequestered jury it is highly unusual to have that in a civil case i can't think of a civil case where that has happened. but judge kaplan made that decision prior to alvin bragg bringing his criminal case since that time the former president has made all sorts of outlandish statements about prosecutors, judges, their families, and so what he was trying to do was get ahead of that issue to make sure that jurors don't feel intimidated one way or the other and can just vote their conscience as they're required to do following the facts and the law. and i think, though, it is a sign that this is a judicial system that is used to and has handled th

nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett is with me along with andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and an nbc news and msnbc legal analyst. so laura, you've got this washington appeals court refusing trump's request, right? so when might we see the vice president? >> well, the former president could theoretically still appeal this to the u.s. supreme court i say theoretically because in the past he hasn't taken it that far. when the d.c. circuit has allowed other senior aides to testify, hasn't blocked lower counts on that, he hasn't fought it, and so he could try on pence, but he isn't faring so well on this executive privilege claim that he keeps asserting. so if he doesn't appeal and doesn't get a stay from the supreme court, pence could theoretically go in pretty soon and tell his full story. as we know the special counsel is very interested inparticula about trump's efforts to block the certification of the election, something pence knows a lot about. >> all right, andrew, do you see any reason for the supreme court to intervene in this >> none whatsoever i mea

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we also have a andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and a senior member of the moeller probe. is an msnbc legal analyst garrett, if we will, right, reset things for us. we're watching florida, obviously. the former president likely to take off from there in the next hour or so at the noon hour. what's going to be happening here on the ground in the next 24 >> even now there are more discussions about how to properly secure this courthouse and the rest of lower manhattan for the former president against the possibility of what could be disruptive protests. there is a protest planned for tomorrow morning with marjorie taylor greene. that's moved up a couple of hours. now expected to start at 10:30 i suspect that move has been made to more closely coincide with when we expect mr. trump to arrive for processing here when hegets to the courthouse, really essentially everything once he arrives that the building, you're going to see a tension between what i think the public wants to see, what news os have asked to see and what the secret service would like us to see they're going to

kathryn christian and andrew weissmann, both vetera prosecutors that have seen the from both a federals non lawyers through this part of the charges. >> do you want me to take crack? >> you go ahead. >> okay, so, the first thing t know is that the statute in ne york that says you can bum this up to a felony requires that you have an intent to commit some other crime. you don't actually have to commit that crime. so, that's why you would necessarily need to charge it. that's something that alan bragg said also, if one of the crimes tha your thinking could be used as that bump up is a federal, crime and then that is not something you could charge the state court anyway now, this really goes to christa's question in the last segment, where he said isn't this still a really tenuou case, isn't there a proble because this is a legal issu in this case more than a factual issue. and this is where i wa actually impressed in terms of what was charged there because there's so man different ways in which the da as laid out how he can get to felony he has suggested in his oral remarks that one way

they are all former manhatta assistant district attorneys also with us andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division of eastern district o new york, he's professor practice at nyu law school and an msnbc legal analyst andrew, as the hours where on, i think we all become more familiar with this indictmen and the factual statement that accompanied it going back to studying the things that the district attorney said in the press conference, which were not included, little words here an there, one where that appear in court in the transcript, it turns out, from the assistan district attorney who spoke, i the word conspiracy. he says that verbally at the beginning of the description o what this case is about. but i don't see the word conspiracy in the indictment >> so, conspiracy is not charged. there is the word scheme tha happens over and over again. because this really is described as a plot. and i thought these sort o brilliance of the actual charging instrument and th factual statement, and you heard in the clip that you jus played from mr. brag, is

contributing columnist for "the washington post," george conway, and nbc news legal analyst, andrew weissmann. good to have you all on board. >> a lot to cover today, but i know people are tuning in this morning, jonathan lemire, to hear our take on the boston red sox opening week, and they give up run after run chris sale finally comes back, he doesn't fall off a bike, break every bone in his body, gives up seven runs. the sox win the weekend, win the series. >> this is clearly the biggest headline we're going to encounter this week. the boston red sox winning two of three at home they scored at least nine runs in all three opening games that's only third team in history to do that the bats are woken up. the pitching less so hey, look. we'll take it. opening day was dreadful they fell behind big they showed fight to come back you hit it, chris sale was an abomination. we wish he would enter the tour de france and get injured and miss some time but they came back. >> stop it. >> a walk-off win that day and then another win yesterday, two out of three, hope springs e eternal. >> he's a pro. bu

joining us now is andrew weissmann, former ascrib general and msnbc legal analyst, and someone who is andrew, first let's talk about the nature of these threats an how unprecedented this is that you know what it's, like t prosecute the gambian of crime family >> yes, and i've reported that if you're prosecuted again you know - all cases i've done. in the mob, there is a rule, you don't go to after judges you don't go after prosecutors you don't go after their families why? not because they're good people, that this is, i don't thin it's a good thing to do. it's bad business to go after agents, prosecutors judges it's only gonna lead to more scrutiny on what they're doing plus, i have a big ego but i'm -- if you take out one prosecutor another one's going to pop up. the idea that this is th former president of the united states where there was a serious discussion on core with a respected judge havin to address this issue. he led the free world, he wa the head of our justic department, and they're in court is the issue of hi inciting violence. and just to be clear, we'r talking about a

i know this isn't strictly a legal question, but i wonder what you think of that andrew weissmann wasshow yesterday raising the prospect that what this would teach fox was not that it would -- it would have to pay large penalties for propagating big lie, but that it should -- it could get away with big lies except if those were directed at other corporations, at deep pocketed defendants or -- deep pocketed potential plaintiffs, so ying about big companies in e clear. i wonder what you think about the degree to which the settlement and the cost that their having to pay will, maybe or not, change their behavior in the future on this front >> sure. i certainly hope it will as you said, not just as a lawyer for dominion, but i'm also just an american. and i, too, lived through the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election, and it took me to my core i certainly hope that we have all learned something and i think and i hope what fox has learned and again i go back to the incredible summary judgment opinion that this court has issued in this case, is that a lot of the ideas and the theorie

we have congressman adam schiff to and andrew weissmann to so it is often talk about what' pp

the first one to do it was the trump-hating lawyers like andrew weissmann and trump-hating federal agentsere part of the mueller investigation where bob mueller admitted pour years ago that donald trump had to conclusively prove his innocence. he was the first person and only person in the history of the department of justice to have that standard applied to him. and you see nancy pelosi shows that for the four years that she was the speaker, from 2018-2022, that's the standard she applied. she applied that to deprive donald trump of due process during two impeachments where he wasn't allowed to have legal counsel, the first president not to have that during the house proceedings, and we've seen it continue over into the biden administration and the department of justice, jim jordan, you know, talking about the kiss the parity many treatment -- disparity in treatment, unequal treatment under the law between president trump versus president biden on the classified documents issue. so, you know, this issue, you know, has continued now for years, and what's happening in new york is only sort

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yesterday she woul announce her charging decision in the georgia after july th 11th joining us now andrew weissmannhe eastern district of new york he is a professor of practic at nyu law school and an msnbc legal analyst. andrew, good to see you. thanks for being with us tell me, you can start anywher you want with this thing, bu there are sort of thre distinct elements here the one that we are stil concentrating on is fani willis, who has sent out a message t law enforcement in georgia t say that there is a court term that starts on july 11th between that and a particula date in september, she is goin to, i don't know how to word it, she will have something that they might want to prepare for >> so, very, very -- over 20 years of being in th department of justice, anytime that someone announced a tim period during which they wil make a decision. but that is what she has done. i strongly suspect that it is way of dealing with the fact that she did say in court in january to the judge overseein the special grand jury that wa doing some of the investigation, that is not the indictin grandeur but she

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trum and others for more on all of, this i'm joined by andrew weissmann, he served as lead prosecutorueller's special counsel office and the general counsel under the fbi unde mueller. he's also the author of, where law ends, inside the mueller investigation. so i want to start with, you andrews pass if ugly on what are we seeing the difference between trump of august when h refused to answer thes questions, and pled the fift over 400 times, to now where i seems like he was talking lot. >>,,, the reason that is important is if you do the fifth amendment, the jury ca be told that you did that an they can use that as an offers in france, they can say, gee i you had nothing to hide wh didn't you speak that does not and cannot happe in a criminal case because there is a constitutiona right. to remain silent in a criminal case so when donald shrimp -- before the civil charges wer brought, took the fift amendment so many times, he wa basically handing the case t letitia james because she ha whatever proof she hat and she could rely on the fift amendment assertion. but what has changed since

it looks like we're looking to find out if trump, did he break laws along the way >> andrew weissmann, you've been on this show for hours and hours. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> you've been explaining these things to us and i believe about 12 weeks ago, you cautioned us to broaden the lens and look at this not so narrowly as usual, you were right you're always right. thank you for being part of our coverage and injecting the weeds that we hadn't spent much time in much more breaking news analysis still ahead for us we'll talk with one of the reporters who dove into that story that brought us to this moment and this very indictment, the enquirer catch and kill squeem don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. for copd, ask your doctor about breztri. breztri gives you better breathing, symptom improvement, and helps prevent flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase you

of the beach, a msnbc chief legal correspondent, also with list throughout th night tonight, andrew weissmann, who is of course when th senior prosecutors on robert mueller's special counse investigation. he also served as fbi genera counsel, also crossed than christian, who is a veteran of the same manhattan distric attorney's office that brought these felony charges against the former president today he's a former special assistan da from that office. thank you all to our legal firepower here for being here. and join catherine, let me jus with you guys. we have been pontificating ove here at the table here as if w are lawyers. and we absolutely are not. have we gotten anything wrong, or is anything important tha you think we are missing in terms of understanding th law here and what we learned >> well, it's going to start b saying i thought we are at the children's table because obviously this is the adults - but, with all due respect, i will say that i didn't think there was anything wrong i actually wanted to maybe focus everybody on an issu that is sort o forward-looking. because one of

and nbc news legal analyst, andrew weissmann andrew, we haven't talked to you since this all went downur thoughts are with the day to really marinate on this also, i'm wondering if, like me, you agree that donald trump's life, like it or not, has changed. he has been accused. he's been arraigned. accused of 34 felony counts. as a result, everything he does now is under the microscope. he can't just be trump anymore and riff and threaten and defame people without potential consequences. >> he is still doing it. >> we are seeing now and we will continue to see, particularly if there are additional charges in georgia and federally, that there is a clash between trump the politician and his legal interests. because now, he is not the former president trump he is defendant trump. he is out on bail. that means that a judge does have the power to curtail, certainly, any sort of incitement to violence that he engages in the d.a. could also charge him if he continues to do things like post photos with him and a bat and a picture of the d.a so anything that approaches that is going to be subject

and also with us andrew weissmann.resswoman, i start with you. just take us inside what you were able to piece together through the documents you did receive. there was a big dump of emails i believe we talked about. but there is still some sort of a black box of unknown whereabouts and unknown disposition of the text messages, right? >> i think that's correct. and we did find out -- i mean, liz cheney and i really went through the roof labor day of last year getting -- insisting that we get documents. the secretary of homeland security was very supportive but we were getting inconsistent results, let me put it that way, until the secoretary assigned someone who had been a prior official and we got over a million documents the following monday and i don't know whether they thought we couldn't get through it all, but we did we had people working weekends, nights, lawyers in from other committees to get information that did shed some light on it one of the things that we learned was that the text messages from the secret

opaque to us except for reporting like this and bill barr sounding like he's more certain than andrew weissmannkatyal that trump will and should be indicted for obstructing in the investigation of the classified documents? >> i understand why people wanting to make a lot out of bill barr's takes on different things. >> just this one. >> this comes up a lot it comes up a lot. >> really just this one. he sounds like he's testified himself. he sounds so invested in trump being held accountable in just the obstruction prong of the documents case >> this isn't an answer to your question, but there was -- covering the trump presidency and all the investigations, out of all of the players on the field, there was no one that i saw maybe besides don mcgahn that had the ability to move around on the chess board and had the political instincts to do it and the savvy to do it than bill barr so i would just say that when bill barr is out there saying things like that, you have to look at them through the lens of someone who has tried to politically ma soneuver this fo himself in many, many different ways bi

and with us at the table, andrew weissmann is back.ormer justice department prosecutor and senior member of robert mueller's special counsel investigation. congresswoman, i start with you. take me through -- just in a big picture manner, the import of having access to mike pence's firsthand testimony of why he ran down the stairs, what he knew when he woke up that day, and his experience on the other end of the line from donald trump. >> i think this is a key piece, something that we would have liked to have heard directly, as the january 6th committee from the former vice president. but his firsthand impressions, assuming he's going to be truthful and honest and not vague, as he's been in his book and other questioning and interviews. to really lay out what he heard and what exchange he had in his conversations from the president. but also how that shapes what was the former president's state of mind at the time. that is something that we have clearly understood. it was mentioned how he intended to just, you know, leave it to the -- h

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. >> joining us now is joyce vance, from the -- msnbc lit calls, from the -- and andrew weissmann, formerosecuting donald trump podcast. powerhouse legal panel to star us off and joyce, i would like to start with you we talk about treating trump like any other crimina defendant. and frankly, in the situation, it is a little bit different but here is a thing, this wa not a street arrest. this was not an arrest warrant based on probable caused by an officer that is committed. this is as a result of a grand jury indictment. so in your opinion, does tha kind of, i guess, background o lead up to this particular indictment lent some credibility to what the alvi bragg is doing with donald trump? >> the manhattan distric attorney is treating donal trump the same way that he would treat any other similarl situated if and then, which is to say that in white colla cases, cases that do not involve cases of violence. defendants are often permitted to do what prosecutors do to turn in. to surrender in order to b booked, and to be a range. donald trump will enter a plat of guilty in court presumably a p