right now we have five votes for andy biggs. we have three votes for the person's here jim banks of indiana, jim jordan and another person getting the vote as well. so the more votes that have a mccarthy does not get my name and someone doesn't vote present, that is bad news for him here that is why early on in the vote we know this is going to go 22nd ballot for the first time as you say and 100 years. the reason why they are going through this vote right now, it is the first order of vote in the house of representatives once they determine a quorum and everybody into the chamber for the first vote at noon they have a speaker. the first order of business and a new congress is electing a speaker. that is why the house is frozen, paralyzed until it gets a speaker you cannot vote on legislation and you can't put people on committees and you can't start investigation and the hunter biden's laptop, none of that. they can't swear the members and cured right now all of these people you see sitting on the house floor are technically re

present. >> andy biggs voting present. and if everyone votes the same way this time the way they voted last time, with the exception of andy biggs, then kevin mccarthy will finally on the 15th ballot win the speakership. let's listen in. we still have some more votes. we have lauren boebert to listen to. >> mccarthy. bishop of georgia. jeffreys. bishop of north carolina, mccarthy. blumenauer? jeffreys. rochester, jeffreys. boebert. >> present. >> so lauren boebert votes present, which is what she did last time. again, if matt gaetz continues to vote present or if any other of the holdouts switch, that's it. it does look, i have to say -- although i -- i hesitate to make any predictions, but if i was kevin mccarthy right now, which is a tough thing to imagine, but if i were, i would think, okay, finally we got all of the dominos in place. >> and you know, it's funny, we were talking about the unprecedented things we saw play out on the floor. mccarthy has been careful with how he's conducted himself on the floor. >> until a

andy biggs says he will be nominated.rs can choose to vote by name or abstain or leave the chamber or vote present. they can vote present. these are the scenarios to win. if all members vote, if everybody is there you need a majority cast by name. that's important. majority of the votes cast for a candidate by name. excuse me. so it's a 218 threshold. 218 votes if everybody votes and everybody vote force somebody by name. that's unlikely to happen. that's how you get started. the threshold drops by one, that 218 number drops by one for every two members who do not vote or vote present that take themselves out of cassianing by name. kevin mccarthy's math which is what makes this so interesting. if six republican members just decided to go to the sidelines and protest threshold drops 2015. if ten members go to the sidelines in protest, the number would drop to 213. here's where it gets dicey. if 12 vote present then the threshold drops to 212. there are 212 democrats would could be in that room. if the critics wanted to pla

. >> andy biggs. >> biggs. cohen. >> i have eight times passed my vote for the greatest speaker of a generation, nancy pelosi. i proudly cast my vote for the next great speaker of the house of representatives, hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. cole. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> collins. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. komer. comer. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> connelly. >> hakeem jeffries of new york. >> jeffries. costa? >> the gentleman from new york, hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. >> courtney. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. >> craig. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. >> crane. >> biggs. >> biggs. crawford? >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> crenshaw. >> senator mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> crockett. >> my first and very unified for hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. crow. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. cuellar. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. curtis. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. davids of kansas. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. davidson. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> davis of illinois. >> with enthusiasm for hakeem jeffri

what does andy biggs want to be able to do this? no doubt about it this is a great day with democrats and the senate come at the second best thing that could happen to him. because pretty much completely we will lose the house since 2022. >> john: you mentioned you did have a kaleidoscope so you don't remember last time this happened but get to the point where this looks like it might be headed, you might need to pull out the ten type because we are back in the 1800s. in terms of history as we look ahead to this. >> john, there were other issues back then. the least controversial thing happening. >> john: right about that time. but as we tried to deal with karl and he wouldn't put forward potential candidates but let's game this out. if mccarthy comes to the realization -- if nothing changes, first of all, let's say that, if nothing changes, mccarthy can't get to the magic number whether 218 or something else, and he agrees, okay, my dream of becoming speaker will never be realized. now we go to someone else. who is this someone els

andy biggs received 10. 20epublicans oppose what her think's -- opposed mcarthy's bid. it is expected members will take e a fourth vote to elect a speaker of the house. for now, a look back at how the day unfolded in the u.s. house of representatives. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2022] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] the clerk of the house: pursuant to the 20th amendment to the constitution of the united states, for the meeting of the 118th congress of the united states, the house will come to order. the prayer will be offered by chaplain kibben. chaplain kibben: would you pray with me? eternal god, you spoke and the earth brought forth life. with a word your spirit breathed into humanity the essence and purpose of our very being. speak to us now, o lord, and breathe into the body of the 118th congress your word of truth and justice, compassion and wisdom. give each member the guidance to be faithful stewards of this divine tasking and to wield

andy biggs is in nomination. he voted for himself. matt gaetz voted for biggs. bob good voted for biggs. we haven't heard from norman or rosen dale. these are all defections i'm marking off here. these are all defections we have seen so far. andy harris voted for lee cel don. so if the move from healthcare car thi's folks after this first vote is concluded is to move immediately into a second vote, they would obviously hope some of these republicans who voted for other names just get persuaded and vote for mccarthy. that would be their ideal situation. the other possibility, the other thing i think they would hope for is if some of these names say like an a day harris, instead of voting for somebody else by name if they just started voting present, because that does change the math. anybody voting present or abstaining changes the magic number. there are 434 members-elect who are this voting. the vote counts if you vote for somebody by name. if you vote present, it's not considered an official vote. if you abstain, it's not considered an official vote. it's the

and there are more conservative lawmakers that will vote to someone else, andy biggs. ands you mentioned, not since 1923 a house speaker vote has gone to more than one ballot. rather hissism day. >> during that first vote what is the vote and what does it look like? >> he needs the majority of the house, not just the majority of house republicans which he does have in a closed door session, republicans, most of them agreed that kevin mccarthy is the current republican leader would be their nominee. but there are five republicans that have said they will vote against him, like matt gaetz or lauren boebert said she would vote against mccarthy. and that group right now, a lot of the members of the house freedom caucus are conservative members are looking for rules changes that would empower them, the main one the motion to vacate the chair, the way to oust the speaker and that takes a member to call that motion, but republicans especially in mccarthy camp. the compromised number is five. and this is the same motion that ended the speakership of john boehner. and not able

andy biggs is going to vote 26th in the order, right now we are on 12 so that we are coming up and andy biggs will be the first one called, critically there, boebert will be called, and obviously all the drama surrounding him, he's gonna be the 140th name that is called. but again, for mccarthy standpoint, three present votes from this list, or two votes from mccarthy for this list, that will do it for him. one president, and one vote for mccarthy. that will do it for him. and again, i'm just looking at, him andy biggs, is the first that we are going to hear from this crucial list. we are about ten names away from andy biggs right now. and when he is called, then folks, you'll then hear five more names, and then it will be boebert. so again, one vote for her car there and one present, does it. >> it feels for me, we are listening for andy biggs is up for about seven names now. let's just listen. >> mccarthy. barr. mccarthy. bear again. jeffries. dina florida. mccarthy. -- hakeem jeffries. fits? mccarthy. -- jeffrey is. bird man. mccarthy. buyer? jeffries. -- mccarthy! [applause] bags? p

but their first two are coming fast -- >> let's listen to andy biggs of arizona and lauren boebert of colorado. >> mccarthy -- -- >> akeem jeffries. >> jeffries. bent? mccarthy. berra? jeffries. bergman? mccarthy. buyer? jeffries. bye? mccarthy. biggs? big -- jordan. bilirakis? mccarthy. bishop of georgia? jeffries. bishop of north carolina? mccarthy. blumenauer? jeffries. rochester? jeffries. boebert? present -- [applause] >> wow! [inaudible] >> steve, tell us what just happened here. >> yes, lauren boebert voting present right there, so that is significant obviously, as we said, if three of these end up voting present, mccarthy is speaker. or if one of these other four names a vote for mccarthy, combined with that present vote that boebert just cast, that will be enough to make it speaker as well. that is assuming that, again, one name to come up here in a second -- >> he like when we're looking for, right? >> well, he is. and we also want to make sure can buck is coming, and about three names. he's the one he's been missing all they, flying back. you'll see's name on this list. he'

number. >> john: shannon, the people who are being worked on by mccarthy and his team we are told andy biggs, matt rosendale, eli crane are seen as ones with the most potential to come over to mccarthy's side. when you look at what biggs has said, drop out mccarthy, we need new leadership, you would think that's going to be a hard sell. could he get either crane or rosendale, if he got both of them, probably be just about there. >> they could be done. boebert and gaetz, people have said there's no way they are voting for him. so i think they have to hone in on those 2 or 3 they think are flipable, and listen, anything can happen. overnight enough conversations that some of the hardest critics of mccarthy were convinced they had the concessions. again, still having the conversations publicly making the statements. if any part of this framework falls apart i'm out. so it's tenuously held together, what else is it going to take. that's what i ask the people in the conversations, what did the holdouts want, and nobody seems to be able to answer that question at this point. mccarthy cannot give t

back story on andy biggs?who was on the forefront of election denialism. he exchanged text messages with mark meadows asserting legislatures could throw out results and how they voted in order to send and make donald trump the president. but also andy biggs is the face of defiance. i think over the last ten years, you have watched those defiant voices in the republican party from ted cruz to andy biggs, lauren boebert, donald trump himself, defiance wins among republican voters. until republican voters shoot them down in the primary, last little reason to step away. >> they have shot a lot of them down. lauren boebert almost fell down. let's talk about primary elections. one of the concessions that kevin mccarthy made was by proxy i guess his superpac head a deal with the club for growth to not put money into open seats for gop primaries. how does that affect who gets elected to congress? >> well, it's a commitment from mccarthy's political machine that they are not going to vie to unseat some of these rebels

the andy biggs number not that big with ten. i think there was an expectation that he was going to draw some of those because he has been forecasting for quite a while that he was going to run against speaker mccarthy, but the big question here i have is do they go into another vote right away, which is what we expect to happen, but what is the change, the breaking point that either means that mccarthy's going to sway some of these people for himself or not? you see him on the floor right now. he's taking photos. seems pretty jovial, in a good mood. it's not as if the body language has changed. he still seems very confident despite this no confidence vote by many members in this vote. >> what's interesting know, he's fully aware the cameras are trained on him for the most part. granted they're not this moment. that said, we have been been watching him. he has, for the most part, kept a smile on his face. when you look at his top lieutenants, if you will, they look pretty darn somber. what do you expect though jim jordan will say

voted for andy biggs.ny surprises you thought going into this that one of those people might have voted present or for kevin mccarthy? because they stuck to their guns. >> they did. crain was one that i was told was possibly going to vote present. the other three were kind of never kevin, in the never kevin crowd and we're not going to vote for mccarthy one-way or another and they didn't think they needed them. ken buck just flew in and he missed the first time that he was named but he made it to the chamber and he voted when they called his name. wes hunt, his child is in nicu, just born, newborn child, he flew in from texas leaving his family so he could vote. so they got those two extra votes that they didn't have before for mccarthy. but this has to change, otherwise this is a no. this would be 14th ballot denying mccarthy. and then, you know, you have to hold everyone together. the other thing, trace, is that this is so delicate because mccarthy and the allies gave a lot of concessions about how this

andy biggs 's personality is different, he is more amenable and flexible.able. >> congressman, thank you very much for being with us. before we sneak in a quick break in 15 seconds, tell us where it is going? >> we are still playing the waiting game and we will be doing that until 10 o'clock tonight. mccarthy sounds confident, they are trying to figure out who they can pick off, maybe coming from unexpected places. gaetz descending open now pixma i will let you untethered yourself from the camera and go roam and do some actual reporting. thank you so much, thank you to all of you for watching it another busy hour of msnbc. we will probably see you tonight. we will see you before on the streaming channel for nbc for show number two. specially designed for people with high blood pressure. be there for life's best moments. trust coricidin. young lady who was, you know, mid 30s, couple of kids, recently went through a divorce. she had a lot of questions when she came in. i watched my mother go through being a single mom. at the end of the day, my mom raised thr

laura: a couple names that we will probably hear about jim jordan, andy biggs. they got some votes on this first round. unlikely that they are going to be able to get the majority of the republican caucus. they are very conservative. the other names that are more likely are steve scalise, the current number two house republican, patrick mchenry, chairman of the financial services committee. but there is hesitation from those people to throw their name into the ring until it is clear mccarthy will fail because they do not want to create this rift between themselves and kevin mccarthy. alix: thank you very much. laura davidson on the update. coming up, sam bankman-fried on the verge of entering a not guilty plea. the latest from the courthouse. this is bloomberg. ♪ [office sounds] ♪upbeat music♪ ♪♪ ♪when the day that lies ahead of me♪ ♪♪ ♪seems impossible to face♪ ♪a lovely day (lovely day)♪ ♪(lovely day) (lovely day)♪ ♪(lovely day)♪ a bank that knows your business grows your business. bmo. alix: this is "bloomberg markets ." i am alix steel with amber kanwar. sam

can i take this back to andy biggs? stuart: yeah. lauren: major trump ally.s vote mccarthy. he didn't swing a single person to his side, and i loved this editorial in the arizona republic, the hometown newspaper for andy biggs: donald trump populism is dying. and if you could choose anyone to lead its it, i couldn't think of anyone more fitting than andy biggs. stuart: mollie hemingway is with us this morning, can you give us any idea on how this speaker vote is going to play out today, over the weekend or next week? how does it end? >> well, i'm not sure if anyone can predict exactly when it will be resolved. you have a lot of people pushing for a quick resolution here, but really if you don't like how congress has been operating in recent years, if you don't think that congress is operating in a healthy fashion, you should be very happy with how these negotiations are going. you know, stuart, that kevin mccarthy has agreed to many of the demands that these conservative holdouts have -- stuart: all of them. >> these concessions are good though. i mean, held

jim jordan has no interest or expressed no interest publicly that he even wants the job so even andy biggs has trouble hitting support from the people who don't particularly like mccarthy. at the end of the day, if i were to bet one way or the other, my bet is still with kevin mccarthy but is going to go through a pretty tough process and by the way this is worth noting this is something he's been working on for years. he's courted these people for years. it's been a long project of his, he said a very good job lining up a lot of the more conservative republicans in the caucus to get behind him. but obviously will see to get the number needed. without the 218 you don't get the gavel. jon: i'm asking you to climb into the heads of the reluctance here, what is it about mccarthy that they don't like? >> the concerns are there have been major fights that he has not held fast on, they're not inspired by him by others like jim jordan that leads the freedom caucus in a powerful member on the conservative flank of the party. if 70 like jim jordan, and kevin mccarthy has done such a good job of cou

you look at andy biggs. reelected after being publicly on the front lines of urging state legislaures to toss out the results of their voters and send donald trump's slate of lek electors. eli crane, it was interesting to watch who he was a talking with there. he was talking with a fellow republican freshman here. and he was just elected out of wisconsin. interestingly, he was outside of the capitol building on january 6th. that is who was sitting next to eli crane. eli was talking with bannon. he said that 95% of the folks in his district overwhelmingly do not want him to support kevin mccarthy. this is a man who was a former navy seal seal who had the courage to stand with us. this is somebody who is going to take this to the end here. when you're looking at those consequences, we watch paul gosar flip, buff you have the likes of lauren boebert that was their 1776. there's been no political consequences. if anything they are winning support among the conservatives back home. >> people who were elected with

andy biggs voted for jim jordan. bishop of north carolina, an due clyde, bob goode of virginia, one of the most ardent supporters of kevin mccarthy. now we know the universe, 19. that was consistent on the first vote. it is consistent on the second vote. now, we'll see what the actual tally here is. this usually takes 10 or 15 minutes for the house reading clerk to tally everything up, make sure that they have the votes in order and then they announce the official results from this and we'll see if they go to a next vote. we could have other names put in the order here. brett asked a question off the air as to whether or not jim jordan or anybody could potentially withdraw their name from consideration. i've seen other names put in to consideration with speaker votes. colon powell before, jeff sessions, the former republican senator from alabama and attorney general. he's gotten votes. john lewis, the late democratic congressman from georgia. i asked one source that is very good on this information saying a withdrawa

eli crain for andy biggs, biggs for jim jordan, matt rosendale for bigs.f all 434 members vote we're right now at the edge, the delta of how many members kevin mccarthy can lose. it comes down to 4. this could hinge on matt gaetz. if he votes, if he votes at all, if he votes for mccarthy, if he votes for somebody else by name. that's the key. now ken buck flew back in from colorado, missed the vote. i'm told that he will make it up. they'll run through those who did not vote at the end there. they can cast their ballots so don't worry about ken buck if that sense but this will all hinge on what matt gaetz decides to do. i'm told there is an intense conversation with matt gaetz and allies of kevin mccarthy in the back of the chamber right now. this is high drama tonight laura. >> laura: well, chad, at some point i think the question will become, you've got all these concessions, you've run out of things to ask for as gaetz said, you begin to look unserious. that's the problem. after all of these concessions have been agreed to by kevin mccarthy. so you wond

andy biggs is first up. lauren boebert is the third to vote in terms of those who have been against mccarthy. don't have to get that far down to get to matt gaetz. you are looking at bob good from virginia. good was saying, you never have to ask me the question again. i'm always going to be against kevin mccarthy. if the number there is four that would do him in, that number -- it's not hard to see him reaching that real quick here. the other question is, if he does fail again on this ballot, how much progress has he made? has he made any progress? >> what we are watching, the fact it's front loaded, we will know early. but we are also watching what's happening -- they called for a quorum call. this takes a while. they are stalling for time. they have come out of meetings. they were in meetings last night. brendan, how do you read reports from kevin mccarthy's own comments that they have made progress, maybe narrowing a gap, but clearly not there yet? >> projecting a little optimism. one thing we know is thi

this is what andy biggs had to say. >> there's other people that should be there and when people talk about those things they forget. >> is there any scenario you would ever though on any ballot where he get your vote. >> i don't think so. cheryl: how do you see this playing out with the vote next week? >> it is hard to say how it'll play out but i will tell you any delay in electing the speaker of the house will delay the republican agenda we are behind probably a month behind, 30 days in determining the chairman of our committee determining the seeds each republican will have to deliver on the promises that we made when we were campaigning, the vast majority of the republican conference support kevin mccarthy we had the bow and conference and we talked about the rules and what we wanted to do as a conference and we all voted on this but i think it's very unfair when i agree i do sometimes with the house freedom caucus like i sympathize on the issues that centrist most care about but the reason kevin mccarthy is a leader of the conference right now, he understands and understood how

it is with that that i place the name of my friend and colleague from arizona, andy biggs, for speaker of the house. thank you. the clerk: are there further nominations? there being no further nominations, the clerk appoints the following tellers. the gentleman from georgia, mr. loudermilk, the gentlewoman from california, ms. lee, the gentleman from wisconsin, mr. steel, and the gentleman from new york, mr. morelle. the tellers will come forward and take their seats at the desk in front of the speaker's rostrum. the naiments of the honorable -- the names of the honorable kevin mccarthy, a representative-elect from the state of california, the honorable hakeem jeffries, a representative-elect from the state of new york, and the honorable andy biggs, a representative-elect from the state of arizona have been placed in nomination. the roll now will be called. and those responding to those names will indicate by surname the nominee of their choosing. ed reading clerk -- the reading clerk will now call the roll. adams. jeffries. aderholt. mccarthy. aguilar. jeffries. alford. mccarthy. alan

of votes, more than 12 flipped for andy mccarthy, the others now down to seven, and people like andy biggs, lauren boebert, matt gaetz and others are on an increasingly small island as kevin mccarthy appears to be gaining ground here. i don't think he's got enough to be speaker on the vote based on the absentees, but chad pergram is following that, and a final answer for us soon. a lot has changed between yesterday and this afternoon. >> sandra: and to your point, chad is there, tallying, the magic number is 218, but mccarthy passing -- 217, to that point, 217, mccarthy at 213, jeffries 211. you are looking right now, 14 holdouts, mccarthy gaining support from 14 holdouts. you are looking live at kevin mccarthy on the house floor right now, i mean -- john, these negotiations have been happening for a long time, and it has come down to this moment where he has finally changed the minds of people like scott perry of pennsylvania who was on the program with us yesterday making it very clear that while he was leading the efforts against mccarthy, that he still saw a pathway for him. when he st

in these investigations the house oversight committee with strong members bike byron donalds and andy biggs and jim jordan will return to its original mission of identifying waste, fraud, and abuse and mismanagement in the federal government and holding un-elected bureaucrats accountable. in a republican majority under speaker kevin mccarthy, the forgotten working men and women's voices will finally be heard and represented. and in a republican majority under speaker kevin mccarthy, this broken congress will finally be fixed and we will return to regular order and we will drag those senators kicking and screaming along with us every step of the way. we will return to regular order. we will get the backs of the american taxpayers. this is the people's house. let's get to work. madam clerk, i am proud to nominate kevin mccarthy to be the next speaker of the united states house of representatives. i yield back. the clerk of the house: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from texas rise? >> mad yucca mountain clerk, i rise to nominate-d-d mad yk clerk, i rise to nominate a unifier, not a divi

that last night she was not explicitly going to vote for mccarthy, and they were not going vote andy biggs, but somebody they aligned with ideologically, but jim jordan said he has no want to be a candidate, and if he did, he, too, would fall short of the 218 vote, and that is if mccarthy cannot get there to 218, who can? steve scalise would also fall short, and so the same group that mccarthy cut with the hard-line members would fall short of the member, and those who don't like those concessions said they would not support that with any other speaker candidate with all kinds of speaker problems here. >> and melissa, does the former president trump, does he have a role to play here? >> well, he is a major fact in that -- think of this, and some of the rations that donald trump weighed into, the ten house republicans that decided to vote for his impeachment, he made sure every one of them lost. i am wishing that jamie catco and peter meyer, and i would hope they were here in the rock rib moderates were here, instead, some of the more far right characters won this election cycle, and that i

there will be probably nine or 10 votes for andy biggs, the republican from arizona. we might have a few other names batted around. the more people vote for someone by name besides kevin mccarthy hurts kevin mccarthy. the other issue, people could vote present. first order of business is the attendance vote. around 1:00, 1:30, go to the first vote for speaker. it will not probably not be the first vote for speaker today. in fact they might do this two or three times today. they might also take a recess. it is up to cheryl johnson this sun trod territory. we've not been in the prosecutor on capitol hill in 100 years, neil. neil: is you about some of alternatives. one is steve scalise. name is always come up. he said he has no interested in the job. donald trump, former president. jim jordan, the ohio republican. that is about it. that is the about only viable list i'm working with here. it is not so viable. for that matter certainly a couple of cases credible but what do you make of it? >> reporter: it is interesting you mentioned donald trump you don't have to be a me

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congressman andy biggs.th senior meteorologist janice dean. >> i will introduce you to my friends. we have so much rain across the west and more of it on the way today and thursday into the weekend where we are dealing with not only heavy rain but we could see very gusty winds and even tornadoes the other day and then they have a mountain snow across the sierra nevada. this will be a story not only today but for the rest of the work week into next week. we do not see any relief in sight for our friends in california. then we have a severe threat from parts of the southeast up towards the midsouth and then perhaps a coastal storm as we get into the thursday and friday. we will keep you up-to-date with all of that with foxweather.com. what's your name? >> beth. >> bill. landau. >> carla -- >> atlanta. >> do you love brian kilmeade? >> yes it >> they expect coffee and doughnuts after that. >> i don't know why you do that, janice. go they love you. they all love you. it's guaranteed. >> thanks, guys. i appreciat

one of your colleagues, andy biggs, said the debt limit should not be reached. do you agree that it should not be lifted, do you agree with that? rep. mace: my position on the debt ceiling vote is that our current debt is entirely unsustainable. if we don't have a deal for any sort of budget reform by the time that vote happens, that's going to be very problematic and it's not something i am going to be supportive of. if you look at -- obviously inflation is still a major issue, deficit, debt. all those things play into how we get out of the rising cost of goods everywhere across the united states. but if you think about it, the last time we had any sort of balanced budget was when president clinton was in office in 1988, and before that it was president nixon in 1970. i saw both sides, both democrats and republicans, for the spending and deficit issues we have today. both sides should be accountable. there should be no argument about debt reform in this vote next week. it is sort of silly. we are in this predicament. both -- both sides need to address it. we ca

>> ainsley: what about andy biggs. >> steve: andy biggs would would be on the first. >> >> brian: hee on mark levin that will really unite conservatives. >> ainsley: motion to. if i don't do a good job and you don't like me can you vote me out. >> brian: crazy. >> steve: take five people right now. he is talking about just one person. ultimately though, if they had that vote, then a majority of people would stick up for him. and here's the thing. >> brian: to me that is the craziest thing to give into. >> how are you supposed to do your job. you have 200 people you are going to be religion. if five don't like what you do, then you are out and some conservatives who backed mccarthy said wait a second. why did you agree to that if you agree to that, then how effective are you going to be as speaker. you can't kiss everyone's butt in order to do that job. you have got to do what's better for the whole or dare i say better for the country. >> ainsley: probably says i will do anything once you become speaker once i'm speaker i will do just a phenomenal job they will love me. >> steve: tha

we're going to listen for a second and wait for andy biggs, and boebert will come after that, and eli crane has some reporting, probably not someone who might move, it will come pretty quick after that and then a break and then talk about what is going on at the white house. but let's listen for a couple of minutes. >> bentz? mccarthy. bera? jeffries. jordan. bilirakis? bilirakis? mccarthy. bishop of georgia? jeffries. bishop of north carolina? mccarthy. blumenauer? jeffries. blunt rochester? jeffries. boebert? jordan. >> okay, so andy biggs, jordan, lauren boebert, the next one, we're watching for, is eli crane and steve, if he votes jordan we will need some present votes in order for mccarthy to win. >> i think it is over if he vote force jordan because gaetz, given the posture, unless gaetz did something that would shock the world, that would be four votes against mccarthy, even if he got the other three, he would be short. just in terms of where crane comes up in the order here, taking a look here, we got a little bit of a ways to go. we're probably about 35 names from crane right

one of your colleagues andy biggs said the debt limit should not be breached. you agree, or should not be lifted. do you agree? >> my position on the debt ceiling vote is that our current debt is entirely unsustainable, and if we don't have a deal for any sort of budget reform by the time that vote happens, that's going to be very problematic and is that something i'm going to be supportive of. if you look at, obviously inflation is still a major issue, spending, debt, deficit allat those things play into how we get out of the rising costs. of goods everywhere across the united states. if you think about it, the last time budget we have any sort of balance budget was when president clinton was in office in 1998. prefer that it that it was under president nixon in 1970. i fault both sides can both democrats and republicans, for the deficit spending and the debt issues we are facing today. both sides need to be held accountable. this shouldn't be an argument that hey, we're not going to do any budget reform and get have this debt ceiling vote next week. it's sort

the honorable andy biggs of the state of arizona has received 10. the honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received six. the honorable jim banks of the state of indiana has received one. the honorable lee zeldin of the state of new york has received one. the honorable byron donalds of the state of florida has received one. no persons having received a majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. following the procedure used by the house in 1923 and recorded in cannons precedent volume 6, section 24, the clerk is prepared to direct the reading clerk to call a roll anew. for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? mr. jordan: i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy for speaker of the house. the clerk of the house: the gentleman is recognized. mr. jordan: thank you, madam clerk. i think we have three objectives this congress. three fundamental things we have to get done in the 118th congress. first, pass the bills that fix the problems. in two year's time we have a border that is no longe

and i do think that it's not gonna be one of these announced people, like andy biggs, who steps up.ll fall on a steve scalise mostly, and i agree with him about that. someone of more standing, someone in leadership already who will come and something will happen for. but there will be pressure. i don't see him saying, you know, i mean clearly, the way he's acting, he's still working -- >> he wants the job. >> he's projecting -- he wants the job, like, i don't think he's gonna leave it to them, to say figure it out themselves. he cares. >> we're gonna learn a lot more about kevin mccarthy, one way or the other, pretty soon. tim, washington has got all sorts of euphemisms to describe the fact that not everybody thinks that kevin mccarthy is a sort of a de-policy mind, or you know, one of those generations greatest thinkers. a few months ago, politico published an opinion piece outright asking many reporters think given mccarthy's dump, why can't they say so? what do you know about kevin mccarthy and his actual abilities, and intellectual reach? >> well, i haven't got to spend a lot of

host: andy biggs, yesterday, talking to steve bannon about that race.ere is some of the history of the balloting that goes more than one for speaker. the 100 27 speakers elections since 1789, only 14 have gone to more than one ballot. the most recent was frederick gillett, republican of massachusetts elected on the ninth ballot, his final three terms as speaker. then the 34th congress in 1855 there was balloting for the speaker that lasted for two months and 133 ballots were cast before nathaniel banks of massachusetts was finally elected speaker. it's not expected to be 133 ballots today but it could go hours, some saying perhaps even days. here's the process that will happen on the floor when the actual speaker vote occurs. the speaker is of course not required to be a member of the house, though all speakers have been members of the house since the first speaker. some individuals not serving in the house have received votes over t years, st recently theasone back in 2021. candidates must be nominated by a member of e house, who calls out the last nam

an did andy biggs nominated byrn donalds only one name in contention even though they put donald trump'sa long day. here is charles payne. charles. charles: another long day for republicans. they say it's a necessary thing. we'll see. thanks, neil. i'm charles payne, thi

plus, ohio senator jd vance on his latest effort with congressman andy biggs to severely curve biden's border betrayal. stay with us. . >> laura: new figures out today reveal the atlanta's homicide rate is up for the third straight year. it's partly why they have decided to build a training center outside the city limits and that didn't sit well with any neighboring activists. think seattle in 2020, during the called summer of love. for the latest we go to fox news correspondent kevin. tell us, what's going on there? suburban atlanta's version of chop, in atlanta they are calling it cop city did and just like the autonomous zone in seattle up during the summer is of violence back in 2020, atlanta's top city is becoming more violent by the day but law enforcement in georgia say they are committed to putting a stop to it. however, in response to that, violent antifa protestors are now calling for a night of rage after a raid of cop city left an activist dead and a state trooper injured. georgia state patrols swooped down on the autonomy zone at the site of the future $90 million atlanta

congressman matt gaetz, andy biggs and scott perry reportedly asked trump for pardons. gaetz related to an ongoing federal sex trafficking investigation, and biggs and perry for their roles in the insurrection at the capitol. biggs and perry also among those referred to the january 6th committee to the house ethics committee for defying its subpoenas, the same house ethics committee mccarthy has agreed to gut if he's made speaker. and let's not forget paul gosar and his own family, his own siblings call him a white supremacist. joining me now mark lebovic and stewart stevens. to you, i'm going to start with you at the table, mark, because there isn't -- let me first of all read you a tweet that i think the truest thing ever said in republican politics in the last decade and from senator lindsey graham. he said if you nominate trump we'll get destroyed and we'll deserve it. the tea party started i believe the descent into this kind of politics. this is the insurrection mob that's now formed an insurrection against kevin mccarthy. >> yes, it is a mob. it is kind of organi

the freedom caucus and the andy biggs wing of the republican party keep saying at the second ballot theyforth another name, we don't know who that person will be, they talked about that for a long time so we will see if they make good on that promise in the next few minutes. neil: thank you very much. i see some developments here, not that he didn't get 218 votes but was well shy of that. final numbers here, we will keep you posted, the dow is making a comeback but i don't like little chicks in the dow but it is 38 points, technology stocks at their worst levels, still a couple hours to go, stay with us. . . neil: all right. kevin mccarthy didn't do it on the first try. they will try again. they don't have to necessarily vote for congressman. charles payne could be chosen. speaker payne. here he is. charles: what is the pay, neil? [laughter] neil: no pay. no pain, all g

on my radio show i talked about congressman andy biggs, two of the people opposed right now.n i haven'ty will never be speaker, i never hear that phrase. they just don't want him now. what that mean thas right at ths moment is they want to score concessions out of him. if there's ever a a time the force leadership to govern in ai way that will satisfsfy i s conservatives, it is now while you have power over him. if kevin mccarthy ends up as a speaker, it'll be after he's made concession after concession after concession to the right. that includes investigating the fbi, using the budget to defunde sections of these government, firing federal employees where d you can use funding to do that. this is an important moment to live up to its obligations to drain the swamp and they are doing it with a guy who spent a lot of time navigating. >> his allies say that it be making a weak speaker and timei of divided government. >> it's essential what they believe in and in order to do that, to hold him to account, kevin mccarthy, think about one of the allegations made recently. he said alejandra m

these republicans could vote for a different republican, andy biggs from arizona put his name forward. a republican could vote for bob smith, pick any name out of a hat. the problem for mccarthy is the balance right now is there's 222 republican members elect, 212 democrats. this one vacant seat, a democrat who passed away after the election and before today. that means if all republicans, all democrats do cast votes here in the next hour, we expect, there will be 434 total votes. you need 50% plus one. a majority. in this scenario, it's 218. that would be what mccarthy needs on this first ballot. if you need 218 and you are kevin mccarthy, you have already got these five republicans who for weeks now have been adamantly saying they are no. if they vote and they vote for somebody besides mccarthy, if they voted for biggs let's say, then mccarthy best case is at 217. then if every democrat is voting, we said the magic number in that scenario is 218. these are the five most obvious. there are other republicans, including within the last hour, who sent signals they seem likely to vote no

i am going to vote for andy biggs. there are 221 alternatives.y much. >> republican main street caucus leadership kelly armstrong and dusty jackson, we will take your questions. there is real work to get done. we need to secure the border, address inflation, return fiscal sanity to this town. none of that can happen as long as we have 10 or 15 members holding back this progress. our group is a group of 70 to 80 pragmatic conservatives who want to make progress on the border and spending. you already heard frustration was rising in the room because 10% of the conference thinks they get to tell the other 90% when we get to start work. we remain unified. kevin mccarthy is the right guy to lead the conference, the right guy to be speaker of the house. >> the american people are frustrated. they see one party democrat rule for the past two years and don't like it which is why they elected a republican majority in the house. it is time to step up and lead. the individuals opposing mccarthy half moved the goalposts time and again. in the beginning they

that would be one of the last times that he voted for andy biggs. let's just listening very quickly. we know how mr. rosendale voted quick. >> mccarthy? >> schultz. >> jeffries. >> waters. >> jeffries. >> coleman. jeffries. >> kevin mccarthy. >> webster of florida. >> mccarthy. >> winthrop. >> mccarthy. >> westerman. >> mccarthy. >> westerman. >> jeffries. wild. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. >> williams of georgia. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. >> williams up new york. >> mccarthy. >> williams of texas. mccarthy. >> wilson of florida. >> jeffries. >> wilson of south carolina. mccarthy. wittman. mccarthy. >> womack. >> kevin mccarthy. >> yarmuth. [applause] >> bret baier, it took a while. here we are, finally kevin mc carthy is the speaker up the house to be elected, if you will . your thoughts on the process. >> apparently we don't have bret . let's go back to chad pergram. >> oh, i'm right here. die apologize. i was looking at the images on the floor. this is the big moment, obviously. it is so opaque that you can se the elation as kept mccarthy hugs all o

there will be 10 to 15 members vote against him on the first ballot tomorrow that will vote for andy biggs mccarthy can only lose four votes and still prevail. mccarthy is desperately making concessions. >> do you think the rules package you released last night has moved any votes to yes. >> yes. >> and what will you do if you don't have 218 on the first ballot? >> mccarthy finally agreed to one demand. he would lower the bar to hold a new confidence vote for speaker if members don't think he's doing a good job. but that didn't satisfy mccarthy detractors. >> there is nothing that indicates to me that he is going to change his pattern since he has been in leadership where he is part of the swamp cartel. >> the house is paralyzed until it elects a speaker. it can't even swear in members. and a nancy pelosi appointee house clerk holdover cheryl johnson is in charge until republicans finally pick a speaker. >> you could have total chaos. i mean, i think the republican party right now is in the greatest danger of meltdown that it's been since 1964. >> the house is supposed to vote continuously

the honorable andy biggs of the state of arizona has received 10. the honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received six. the honorable jim banks of the state of indiana has received one. the honorable lee zeldin of the state of new york has received one. the honorable byron donalds of the state of florida has received one. no persons having received a majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. following the procedure used by the house in 1923 and recorded in cannons precedent volume 6, section 24, the clerk is prepared to direct the reading clerk to call a roll anew. for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? mr. jordan: i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy for speaker of the house. the clerk of the house: the gentleman is recognized. mr. jordan: thank you, madam clerk. i think we have three objectives this congress. three fundamental things we have to get done in the 118th congress. first, pass the bills that fix the problems. in two year's time we have a border that is no longe

is it kevin mccarthy or is it, you know, andy biggs and paul gosar and matt gaetz? >> i think one of the central challenges here is that in this -- in kevin mccarthy speaker run within the republican caucus, there was no number two. the republican caucus did not really have a full-throated race for speaker. there was no challenger in the last two months that has emerged. that is a central republican problem. whether mccarthy pulls this through or not, the core concern here is who would ascend to that seat? i do not believe that kevin mccarthy has the votes. i believe that a lot of the opposition to him is very personal. i believe his leadership style is incompatible with a lot of republican members and certainly the democratic caucus and so i think that is the central question, if not him then who? you have certain members of the freedom caucus who have, of course, nominated other people but the rest of the republican party will not rally, i believe, they will not coalesce under jim jordan. jim jordan doesn't want it. they won't coalesce around andy biggs so the que

only andy biggs ran against mccarthy and the conference race and lost 188-1:30 one. jordan would be great for the conference but he didn't run and he supporting mccarthy and trump is supporting mccarthy. there is a lot of conservatives like myself supporting mccarthy. i think he will do and govern conservatively when he has a conservative conference behind him to support him. i think it looks bad to the american people on the very first day we take the majority back. we can't unify behind who are leader is together. we can have disagreements about policy, but let's have that behind closed doors and stay united appeared for the american people against the woke policied progressive ideologies. >> julia: we have to be unity in the party they won january 3rd my gosh, get it together and the other thing mccarthy has been strong against his illegal immigration. he's gone to the border and invited the president to go to the border. that speaker as you heard of will hold news conferences on the border hoping the white house will actually watch them to see for themselves the