you've got the ann coulters and rush limbaughs of the world shaming him. look at ann coulter. she called him gutless. you cannot hear that snow no. but you heard the democrat,le not putting daca on the table is a way to negotiate over more border security on the solution for the docket issue. so the democrats are just as trancy subsequent as republicans. it's a war of words. i's stare-down. >> is there any reason to suggest that the democrats may say we're going to try to find compromise in the wake of our actions. >> right. >> any way to do that? >> no, not when it comes to the wall. the democrats have a moral imperative to not build the wall. we find it a waste of money and not in the interest of national security or any overarching national interest. it's ironic that we shut down homeland security in an effort to build a wall. we're not talking about people who are overstaying visas from europe or asia. the southern ball -- excuse me -- the southern border wall is a racist froksy for president trump's racist immigration policies. wait one second. i'm not done that. is the f

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donald trump is responsible, and he's responsible and makes the call and it's clear to me that it's ann coulterrsuaded him. and he was poised to sign the stop gap funding bill, and it was not until coulter and rush limbaugh and a few others saying he flip-flopped. >> if the tail wags the dog, the conservatives in the house bear responsibility, too. do you think they start to realize they have been backed into a corner here as well? >> yes and no. i think they are facing the reality they lost power in the house, and if they look like they are fighting it's appealing to their base, and it's a similar circumstance of what trump is doing. rush limbaugh and ann coulter speak to those folks. what he's not realizing in which he will never seem to realize is that he is president of the united states, and there are 70% of the rest of the country that is not in agreement with him that border funding should be a priority, enough to close the border. that was just in a poll released, and 79% of the american people say this is not a priority, not enough to shut down the government. the president has never r

ann coulter threatened to not support trump's reelection and he promptly unfollowed her on twitter. mitch mcconnell thought he had a deal with him. he appeared willing to sign without wall funding. then there's a big shift on thursday after a gop conference meeting. they're hearing from their constituents as well, a lots of republicans watching. a lot of people listening to radio hosts. it's no doubt there's a conservative media right now is dr driving the shutdown. >> is it also driving the art of distracti distraction? jul julia, this talk about the wall has definitely pushed the negative headlines to the back burner, including the mueller investigation and the mattis res egg nation. is this kind of helping the president? >> i wouldn't say it's helping the president. we've seen the president try to bring back other stories to the forefront when other, i guess, aspects for instance. mueller investigation don't appear to be helping him. in the long-term, i wouldn't say this is good for the president politically. of course, he really feeds off of the energy of his base. we've seen hi

there has been a weird rule about donald trump, anytime ann coulter chris sizes him he withers. has his number. it's like -- she challenges his manhood, calls him gutless, other words that i won't say on the air and he folds. he folded the tents -- we had a government shutdown right now -- i mean, with people not -- being furloughed, the national park service alone 16,000 people now furloughed. you can't go visit gettysburg battlefield. i was doing commentary for cnn on bush 41's funeral and telling people to visit the bush library, it's being closed all because of ann coulter as a voice of the hard right and he immediately got rush on the air to say, look, you know, don't worry, the border wall is still the main thing. so we are at the end of the year with the stock markets tanking and we are talking about putting up a ms. evedieval wall along t border and the president is being basically run by a kind of alt-right press machine. >> they will take exception to them calling you alt-right, but they would certainly embrace the term right or right wing. what about this narrative, d

what does that mean, that he's lost ann coulter? lost ann coulter a while ago, and she has been on fire about this wall issue for some time. the bigger question is whether he loses mark levin and rush limbaugh, whether mark meadows in the congress -- you know, there are a lot of other people to look for to see -- people that are voices who are influential with his base. to see whether this sort of creative reimagining of the wall and how it will be funded or never funded, to see whether his base buys that marketing or whether his base starts to believe that president trump is a politician like the politicians he ran against. >> you're right. this crossed ann coulter's red line a while back. thank you so much for joining us late on a wednesday night. tamara keith, national public radio. appreciate it greatly. coming up, are the markets really headed for the worst december since the era of bread lines and hoovervilles in this country? that when we come back. kayla: our dad was in the hospital. josh: because of smoking. but we still ha

foreve ann coulter, it's not just fox, it's now crystal clear that one either trump never intend stod he is not interesting in doing accord twitter monitors, is out there to get attention, base. >> it is his last chance. jim jordan is right. come january 3rd, nancy pelos she will have all the leverage. jim jordan and mark meadows will disapp important figures

rush limbaugh, anne coulter for one thing. a look at their influence on the president ahead in the cnn newsrooa look at their influence newsroonewsroom. be a wall christmas calm christmas. calm by this white house indications. he compromised a resolution to keep the government funded. then bob corker believes trump reportedly turned his ear to these people, conservative anne coulter and rush limburg, warning trump caving in on his wall, essentially saying backing down would ruin his presidency. >> they're about to have a country where no republican will ever be elected president again. trump will just have been a joke presidency that scammed the american people, engaged the, you know, accused the populous for a while. he will have no legacy whatsoever. >> textbook example of what the drive by media calls compromise, trump gets nothing the democrats get everything, including control of the house in a few short weeks. >> senator corker telling reporters after trump's flip-flopper, quote, we have two talk radio hosts who influenc

, according to trump alert -- the trump alert bot on twitter, he unfollowed ann coulter. i mean, the base is revolting, at least the greed. >> when he unfollows ann coulter you know it's serious, but issue is his base is right. this is an essential promise that he's made, and the white house has said this is an essential promise, but how does he deliver now? now maybe there was a way to deliver on this earlier on, but this election, before you had a lame duck congress, but now how do you deliver on this when you know that democrats are going to take over the house in february? what leverage does the president have? i think right now it seems like what the white house do is show that the president is doing everything that he can. he's throwing down a marker and then he can kind of say maybe democrats, they just wouldn't give it to me, but he's still going have to deal with the fact why don't you have a wall after two years of republicans controlling the house, the senate and you in the white house? >> so, you know, this reminds me of obama with closing gitmo. he wanted to

he thinks they can still be moved by rush limbaugh and ann coulter. he doesn't think he can stand up and explain what he's doing to his base. he's not even really trying. just being pushed around. >> there is also this house of cards element to this. he spent two years saying he would build this wall and mexico would pay for it. he had people chanting. they knew the whole routine. and maybe people understood in the moment it wasn't realistic. but at some point it was going to be exposed as unrealistic. and let's be honest. once democrats take the house, the idea that a border wall ever happened in its first term is nil. he's looking at the very real possibility that all the people he told that he would get a border wall and mexico would pay for it would say, well, gee, what happened to that. and that is not insignificant. >> and aaron blake has a great piece. everything he tweets about the wall is a lie. he's on six sides. he says mexico will pay for it. he says the wall has already been built. he has got his base so confused around this issue that i

the side of the leadership foreve ann coulter, it's not just fox, it's now crystal clear that one either trump never intend stod he is not interesting in doing accord twitter monitors, is out there to get attention, base. >> it is his last chance. jim jordan is right. come january 3rd, nancy pelos she will have all the leverage. jim jordan and mark meadows will disapp important figures presid they have his ear. to that regard, they have to do to jump off a cliff with no the president who only got 46% >> it's interesting to see how ann coulter is in a different catego but people like mark they are saying he is caving, establ they are not too critical of the presid as to not make him angry. >> he said i won't give congre okay. it's a bad -- his leverage is in short supply. stay w throughout the hour. we watch this playing out as we go to break, a quick note they raised more than $4.7 billio new information about the russia whethe the department's ethics questi before joined the trump admini he was critical since becoming ag, he said there down. the deputy director suggested >> you can tell

unfortunately, then rush limbaugh and ann coulter and others on fox, especially fox and friends, started criticizing the president. and then on thursday morning, president trump -- stop if you heard this before -- flipped on a dime, changed his mind, and decided he would shut down the government mostly because he didn't like the way he was being criticized on the far right. that's why we are here right now. that means 800 thousand federal employees are working and not getting paid just a couple days before christmas. it is a disgrace. >> do you have any guesstimate as to when you will be called back to have a vote, given that 24-hour notice. >> no. >> not at you will a? >> i don't. >> any hope? >> none whatsoever. anyone who says that they do know i think is exaggerating or delewding themselves. even at this moment from our report we know that the president is having lunch over at the white house. but he is only meeting with hard liners who happen to have exactly his position when it comes to the border wall. that's not what's going to get it done. >> yeah. >> i was struck by the fact --

he's not going across the ann coulters of the world. >> basil, let's talk about the shutdown., democrats kind of took it on the chin for the shutdown, and chuck schumer caved fairly quickly. do you think the math is different this time around for democrats? >> it feels different, in part, i think, because there are a lot of voters who are saying we went to the polls to change the makeup of congress in d.c., and i think there's sort of a waiting to -- i don't want to say there's apathy, but there's certainly let's wait and see, this is why we wanted a change and what's happening in congress. so, there's almost a wait and see until january. but then it does become incumbent upon the democrats to sort of turn this around and change the dynamic that's there. again, i don't think it's apathy, because there are real people whose lives are going to be affected in very real ways, but i also think there are folks saying this is exactly why we went to the polls and wanted something different. >> go ahead. >> i would say in a sort of street fight, you know, out in the playground, kids ge

how is he planning to get a better deal. >> let me paraphrase ann coulter. he didn't lift a finger over the last two years to create a process that could have succeeded in finding the money. >> let's not over estimate. >> he had no ability to do that. >> that's what border security is. fencing does matter in part of that. i think we ought to go big. they ought to do daca. go big right now. >> does the president want a deal or does he want the issue for 2020? >> i think he want a deal. >> do you think he would prefer deal or having the issue? >> i would never agree with ann coulter about anything but there was a deal last winter. dreamers for the wall that this white house rejected. i don't think that deal exists anymore because we're heading towards a situation where they need 60 votes and nancy will be speaker. i hate to break it to the conservatives in america but there democrats are coming to town and they have to negotiate with both sides. that's what people voted for in november. that's what will happen. >> democrats need to learn how to do some -- how

>> if ann coulter and rush limbaugh are any indication no.hey are saying you need to build this wall. it is what you promised, what you have said all along. even though experts always said it would make no sense to build a wall, it was much better enforced through a variety of different measures. that's the compromise democrats and republicans are talking about, redirecting the money to go into other border security efforts that make much more common cents. but is that something the base is going to accept and still say this is a victory for the president. >> jay, and bob, and abigail, thank you very much for this conversation. i appreciate it. >>> right now on deck we have democratic congressman ted lieu of california. he of course a emin of both the foreign affairs and judiciary committees. with a welcome to you, give me a sense of where things stand right now, the conversation among your colleagues today. are democrats ready to compromise on a wall, the wall? >> thank you alex for your question. let me remind american people what donald tr

president ann coulter. h. hmm. president trump will own the shutdown, plain and simple. he'll own the tanking stock market as well since he took credit for its great run-up all year, but now it's nosediving. more than 400 points again today. he also owns the chaos in the turnover of his staff. so right now trump has no permanent chief of staff, no permanent attorney general. he needs a new defense secretary after general mattis quit yesterday while publicly rebuking the president's military policies. today is the friday before christmas. so every year during his presidency, before he left for his annual hawaii vacation, president barack obama would hold a year-end news conference to defend his policies to the american people. in 2010, he talked about reaching across the aisle. >> if there's any lesson to draw from these past few weeks, it's that we are not doomed to endless gridlock. we've shown in the wake of the november elections that we have the capacity not only to make progress but to make progress together. >> 2013. obama didn't shy away from taking responsibility

i talked to ann coulter, and she said none of them took that mexico is going to pay for it as a real promise, but they took the wall as a real promise. as much as we have criticized those people on the right, who are holding trump's feet to the fire and are in some cases and in some ways the engines of the shut down, they are just taking him at his word and that's the real problem is here, he welded himself to this position during the campaign and spent the first part of the presidency doing absolutely nothing about this, and now he's about to see the house go into democratic control, and it's the final hours and he's trying to salvage something from a promise he was never going to be able to keep in the first place. >> he does like to be able and say, look at the promises i kept and look what happened. his tweet yesterday, it's not about the wall and it's all about winning and democrats want to keep donald trump and republicans frommi having a win. nobody is winning here. there are 800,000 workers who are certainly not winning, and the president trying to say it's not about the wall

ann coulter? is ann coulter running the federal government? president coulter. h'm.at's not lemonade, that's lemon shade. your thoughts. >> the president has communicated with me that he will not re-open the government until ann coulter says, yes, you can. and, you know, he sent up my pants, he sent up jared kushner to negotiate with democrats. let's have a delegation of ann coulter, rush limbaugh, laura ingraham. they can negotiate. the substantive problem is democrats actually care about the opinion of mainstream media. they care about the government. they worry when people say oh, the shutdown's a bad idea. the republicans and this point that my friend greg sargeant made, the republicans are primarily concerned about right wing media saying fight to the end and so that puts the democrats actually in a more difficult negotiating position so these folks know what they're doing. so let's just send them up to vail and see if they can settle it. >> i'm a little sad, tiffany, that, you know, our friend e.j. didn't include ginny pirro. >> my apologies to the judge. >> le

>> i hope he's not taking his advice from ann coulter. i do agree with her sometimes, not 100%.gain, this is something he campaigned on and he made a promise he is going to stick to it. what i find more disturbing is the fact that you have somebody like chuck schumer who has voted for funding in the past, multiple times, and we don't seem to hear what the alternatives are, if they're just against a wall, is it because president trump wants the wall, do they just want portions of the wall? do they just want more bodies at the border? do they want to have more -- what do you call it -- drones in the sky? they're not giving us options. >> so, reena, did the president buy himself some political ka capital here by saying, i'm fighting for what i cam poindpa on, i made a fight for this and i'm not backing down. if he did not battle over this, the prospect of keeping his base, arguably his only support, could be zero? >> i think that would be giving donald trump a little too much credit. i think we're at a point really, essentially, where we should see the president for who he is, a ma

the suit was filed after a speech by conservative ann coulter was canceled.part of the settlement, cal agreed to make changes to its major events policy including minor changes to the schedule of fees and security requirements. the university also agreed to pay $70,000 for the plaintiff's legal fees. legal expert david levine said the settlement gives both sides room to claim victory. >> college republicans can say they won and certainly their press releases say they won because there are changes being implemented and of course i got a payment of $70,000 in attorneys fees. the university will say it was good for everybody or we won because these are changes that were already in process. >> the university said their current major events policy is what allowed conservative groups to host successful events on campus in the first place. >>> a santa rosa couple needs help finding their stolen dog. this is their fifth straight night searching for little lucy. >> she is a two-year-old bulldog. debora villalon tells us her theft was caught on surveillance video. >> r

-- it's not an overstatement to say we are in a government shutdown now because rush limbaugh, ann coulter and fox news were upset the president didn't get his wall. >> we had a deal, and as soon as the ann coulters and rush limb balks went enplektic over it, donald trump changed. if he loses any part of his coalition he has left, it's over for him. >> betsy, that's the way he's thinking about it. but i also think it's a broader phenomena, republicans are just much more scared of their base than democrats. partly that's the media environment. there was reporting about the last shutdown, and republicans weren't worried because their base doesn't believe any of it any way. but what they are scared of is their base and the media environment that their base listens to. >> i think that's accurate. another piece of this that's important is the way the shutdown played out points to the ascent of very conservative house republicans having the president's ear. i remember representatives mark meadows and jim jordan were out front loud and clear saying the president would be, you know, be failing wer

and ironically it is i guess ann coulter. when did he lose it here.e all of this is some weird -- >> i think -- >> there will be documentaries on these 48 hours. >> as i said before, i think being lectured to by the likes of laura ingraham and rush limbaugh and ann colter was unsettling, questioning his man hood so to speak. and it is a matter of global world view and donald trump is retreating into himself. only donald trump could administer a coup to himself and that is what he's done. >> yeah, that is an -- look, there were people put around him, i think that is fair, general kelly, general mattis, mcmaster, he's gotten rid of all of them. jeff sessions turned out to be one of the minders and he got rid of him too. >> so lindsey graham just tweeted he's often fiery as we all know but it is a very solemn tweet. he said i'm very saddened by this. so it is a very interesting response to that. he said he talked to general -- to mattis and so getting back to the rattled comment, i think this is hitting people very deep. >> really interesting to see how

you have folks like -- on the right like ann coulter and laura engram saying remember your promises,sident. you promised this wall was going to get done. and as you, wolf, have pointed out all week, mexico was supposed to pay for it. >> well, they're not suppospayi it. they both say they're not paying for it. there is a dell gaths egation u hill. vice president mike pence, mick mulvaney, acting white house chief of staff, jared kushner, senior adviser to the president. they're talking. they're making statements, but what's uncertain right now is where exactly the president stands. >> well, and i want to just underline how key this is of . e this is not vice president mike pence's first time to the hill this week to communicate a message. he did so earlier when he met with senate republicans and gave the clear indication that the president of the united states was totally prepared to sign the clean continuing resolution that would fund the government to february 8th as-is, and live to fight another day on the wall. and then yesterday morning, of course, the president completely flippe

ann coulter has more of an impact. mitch mcconnell has gotten through what he could do on legs. and yet, when annri coulter as tough column saying the president has failed in his most signature campaign promise. and this his most signature campaign promise, he getsorked about it. he unfollows her. but is following her in terms of his policy priorities at the moment. he getshery sensitive w this. you hear former aides and currayt aides talk about the to shape his thinking is to make sure you get your people out on fox news to describe what is going on. and they didn't do they didn't get their side out on fox news for them toear. >> but i wonder is that the story with president trump? tantly evel he's cons listening to the right-wing? but they passedrinal justice reform bill. what's the rl story in the divided government? >> those are two things he would do victory laps over. we have increased pressure from the muellerti investi. things going wrong. you tend to see the president want toe fight. heels sort of in his -- in his element when he's fighting i t and he has an opponent. a

what do you make of ann coulter slamming the government?n coulter knowing exactly how to slam the president. she said she doesn't think the president will finish his term in office. the president unfollowed her on twitter. the feedback loop between trump and tv is incredibly tight. what we are seeing is a rebellion of sorts from his tv and radio cabinet. rush limbaugh was on the radio at noon -- >> i'm going to interrupt you because the president is speaking right now. >> hurt women and children and has spread human misery and suffering. human traffic and massive drug inflow must also be stopped. it's at a tremendous level. what we're doing and the incredible job being done by border secure, ro and the military. the military has been incredible. it a process you wouldn't believe how tough but we're stopping them in record numbers. there's a debate over funding border security and the wall, also called so that i give them a little bit of an out, steel slats. we don't use the word wall necessarily but it has to be something special to do the

remember ann coulter said this is the end of your presidency.use one of your prime promises during the 2016 campaign that got voters on your side was to build a wall and to protect the country, and yet that has not happened under president trump. >> we see the clock there ticking on amount of time that the partial shutdown has been in place. that's also ticking toward when democrats will take over in the house. so january 3rd we'll see a big change. do you think that that plays a role here in how democrats and republicans approach this? >> i think it definitely does because trump's leverage for getting border wall money only decreases as that january 3rd date approaches. because nancy pelosi when she's speaker of the house will not accept border wall money or even border security money. i think both sides feel this is a limited shutdown. this is not open ended because every expectation is that if it continues until january 3rd, the first active nancy pelosi in power will be to get the government lights back on. so during the holidays, just -- th

if not for ann coulter and rush limbaugh, the president right now would be in mar-a-lago.f the president loses the support of the conservative media, that will lead to an erosion of support among house and senate republicans who live in constant fear of being primaried as a result of being at odds with these media mouth pieces. if nothing else, president trump is a political warrior. he's proven he can sustain serious blood letting, but his achilles heel is the conservative media. if he loses them, then any combination of the markets, the military and mueller can cut short his time in office. joining me now to discuss is salina zito, national political reporter for the washington examiner, "new york post" column i ist, and frank sesno, author of the book "ask more: the power of questions to open doors uncover solutions and spark change." salina, where am i wrong? >> you're not necessarily wrong. i think you've laid it out very well. i think the conservative media is an important component in terms of keeping his coalition engaged, but we also have to remember a lot of the

back in april, one president trump bomb syria after a suspected chemical weapon, ann coulter and michael savage bashed the president, saying he undermined his promise to disentangle the u.s. from global conflicts. now that he is pulling out of syria and pulling thousands of troops from afghanistan, rush limbaugh says mr. trump is simply in lamenting the agenda he was elected to implement. shannon. >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you very much. the next guest has three words for republicans only border wall, let's dig in. when it comes to syria, don't get out. senator lindsey graham i'm a republican from south carolina, fresh off the phone with the president himself. great to have you, senator peered >> thank you. >> shannon: where do we go from your? >> number one, would you make a promise to the american people, you should keep it. the one thing i like about president trump, he is trying his best to keep his promise. he promised to build a wall, and he is going to try hard to keep that promise. after the caravan, if you don't see the need for more border security, you are blind. here

they find people they are in line with like rush and ann coulter because they feel they are getting auth. howie: the media gets louder every day about jim mattis stepping aside, the stock market plummeting, it's all trump's fault and it will get worse. kennedy: if the president is going to take credit for a bull market he has to take responsibility for the bear market. but the sky is falling, the world is ending hair on fire hysteria doesn't always serve us well. when he came into power, there were people who said the economy was going to tank and we were going to be in nuclear war with korea. if you look at metrics outside the stock market we are in a period of economic growth. i think it's what the president has to focus on. it's difficult for him not to be reactionary. howie: tom freidman said he did not favor removing trump until last week. he said you have to ask whether we can survive two more years of this president. so the press is going on for-on impeachment, indictment,. kennedy: they have been waiting for the dog whistle. they are usually in lock step with their talking poi

listening to anne coulter, who is a great show. who would think this is her rung the united states. >> this is the sim biosis, instead of praising him, they're lighting him up. it's not any secret the president talks regularly that one of his top advisers, informal advisers is sean hannity. there is no doubt this is exactly what happened like the congressman said, even the conservative republicans, who i spoke to on the hill today, they all thought they had odeal, left town. poor senator shots went back to hawaii and spent time with his kid and had to come back. why? people turned on him. >> calling the place on the field. cheerleaders are supposed to cheer. they're not supposed to call the plays in the football game. you have hannity, anne coulter, lauren ingram and rush limbaugh. phil, i don't know how you get sources in the white house. you got people. are you chuckling. sources sitting with the president in the oval office who are rating him out every night saying he is in a tailspin. i know you are frowning. tailspin is pretty

. >> we had a deal made, but he was listening to the ann coulters, the bill o'reillys of the world. >> this is a president that has walked away from deals that democrats and republicans together had agreed upon. >>> good saturday to you. i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm in for christi paul this morning. >> hour 8, the third partial government shutdown of this year. it started at midnight when lawmakers tried and failed to get the votes to pass a spending bill with border funding for the wall. >> here's the big question, how long will this shutdown -- partial shutdown, last? thousands of federal workers may now have to wait. a lot of them still planning to report to work when all they want on that christmas list is a paycheck and on time. and now, the week after he told democratic leaders that he would be proud -- you just heard him -- to take the blame for a border wall shutdown, president trump says it is the democrats' fault. >> and the shutdown comes at the end of a really rough week for the white house. there was this dramatic court appearance from a former national security adviser,

he seems to be in this case getting his marching orders from rush and ann coulter? >> during the campaign the president used to tell me and other reporters that he'd watch television to make sure he knew where the news was going and he'd try to jump into it like it was a river so instead of paying for advertising he was always reacting to the news. that's why now even as president two years in regardless of what advisors tell him about the whip count on capitol hill, he's always keeping an eye on the television. where is the news cycle? where is that chyron? how can he adjust it? when he sees them going a certain direction, he may try to jump in against all of the advice of those around him to try to change the news and change what he thinks is his policy and his perspective. >> what happened last night? what happened with syria? i mean, i think he's taken his lead from rand paul, people like me are against it. it's unusual for him to break -- his behavior seems uneven lately. a little dodgy lately. he's jumping around. i'm going to mar-a-lago, i'm not going to mar-

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what he cares about is that rush limbaugh and ann coulter were criticizing him yesterday. that's what he cares about. so how do you negotiate that? they're not in the room there with chuck schumer and mike pence. >> you know, she is saying that, but there was a comment from stu stevens, the romney aide -- romney adviser. who wrote, quote, on twitter, republicans voted for a guy who cares more what ann coulter thinks than general mattis and there is some truth to that. >> there is a lot to unpack there, okay? so let's go back to the wall. so i don't think the president envisioned putting a wall across the entire southern border. i think we've been down that. i think he's looking for money to build a wall in places you can build a wall and use other -- you know, other means, as congressman correctly pointed out. ground surveillance radar, aerial. there's lots of things you can do to have an improved southern border. >> that's not what he's asking for. $5 billion for a border wall. >> there is still a giant portion of the southern border that can be secured by a wall. >> but

we can say i think he did react to ann coulter and those people.hat they want but i blame trump. i'm against this -- it's nice that bob corker to say that, the tyranny of the talk show. it's the irresponsibility of the president of the united states. >> merry christmas, guys. >> merry christmas. >> i hope it's a good one. see you next year. hopefully something else in 2019. >> calm before the storm. > >> exactly. we'll see what happens. >>> up next, robert mueller probably has them. democrats want them and the public might see donald trump's tax returns. stay with us. see donald trump' tax returns. stay with us breathe freely fast, with vicks sinex. my congestion's gone. i can breathe again! ahhhh i can breathe again! ughh.. vicks sinex, breathe on >>> according to new reporting, multiple experts agree it is tern that robert mueller has donald trump's tax returns because following the among is prosecution 101. now the democrats want to see them and they may try to use a federal law from 1924 to force the pressure ri to hand them over. joining me is

i mean, he is obviously looking at the conservative chattering class, people like ann coulter and rush limbaugh who are down with his first move in agreeing to a clean cr and no wall funding and then he backed off of that once there was outcry from folks in his base, folks in his base that he felt like he folded too quickly. he has to figure out a way where he can sell this as a win. what does that look like? it's unclear because we know this is a president that talked already saying basically the wall has been started and a lot of it has been built already and i just don't talk about it, and obviously none of that is really true and you wonder if it gets a 1.3 or 1.6 billion, whatever it ends up being from the democrats, likely none of that will be allocated from the wall if he just sells it to his base as a win, and he was planning to go to the border and he wants that photo-op, this is a president in his fantasy would really be able to, as a re-election campaign, be able to stroll along that southern border and essentially say this is the wall, the border system, the steel slats or

ann coulter and fox news. >> so many people are saying it is not a government shutdown. it is a partial shutdown. so much remains open in the shutdown. if you allow the democrats to play the talking point over and over, you will never get funding for the republican wall. >> it is a failure. >> where are we now? the house passed a spending bill for $5 billion for the border wall, but here is the problem. the house bill is dead on arrival in the senate. three reasons. opposition to the border wall, money and frustration over how the president is handling negotiations and awol. 40 members have missed votes from both parties. >> mitch mcconnell is still scheduling a vote today for the house bill. if the senate votes it down, the two chambers can try to negotiate a compromise. if that fails? shutdown. president trump is scheduled to travel to mar-a-lago today for a two-week break. the white house says he will not travel if there is a shutdown. >> if there is a partial shutdown, the department of homeland security and justice department and state department would be effected.

>> i don't think it's tyranny, but certainly this is kind of a rush limbaugh, ann coulter shut down. off, otherwise it would be the sean hannity shut down. we have heard all years how hannity and others are the shadow chief of staff. the feed back loop between trump and fox, trump and talk radio is as strong as ever because as he plays to the base more and more, that's his way of knowing what the base apparently cares about. >> yeah, and so every lawmaker i have had on who's been confident, right, about the shut down, i'm like are you sure, the president. i ask, oh, yeah, we're sure. i'm like, okay. because we know. and you say the same thing. you have been saying that. you said it on this show, didn't you. >> i said it on the show, donald trump could have his head turned by conservative media. donald trump said he was going to step up and sign the bill, there was huge backlash, saying he shouldn't do this, and at that point in time, he said i'm never doing this again, i hate this bill. what we saw this week, it's not only ann coulter and lithe probm is that as brian says, there is t

and the real reason why this is an issue for ann coulter and for other republicans, is that they believehat the people coming in from south of the border, are brought here to vote democrat. and so they're brown people, it is a racist argument, and it is a political argument. so today, when he sits there in that lunch, he is preaching to the choir, talking to the choir, and they're bolstering each other, and there's nothing being done. >> so then lynn, you heard from the minority leader chuck schumer, you know, who was trying to be both instructive and also had admonished the senate and said you know what, this administration has barely spent money from last year, so he says this is, and i'm quoting now, ineffective law, the majority of people don't even support. meaning this $5 billion for the wall. or any amount of money for the wall. because schumer was saying, look, we have three proposals on the table, two of them are democratic, and one is from mitch mcconnell, and they all are promising $1.3 billion for border security. but no funding for the wall. so is this both sides just simply

that changed last week on wednesday when ann coulter tweeted out he is abandoning his base.back to his initial stance. that's where we are now. so it is not changed since then. the whole thing is, guys, this is bunk. this is a fraud on the american people. he picked up this issue on the campaign trail. he loved it. it played to his base. they love it. it has no -- it is the most tenuous relationship with the reality. the idea with the border wall. he is going to shoutdown the government over it. that is why it is not going anywhere. >> i have two questions here. the first one is one of the things we haven't been talking about as much because it is the end of the year and a shutdown. we are not talking about the russia investigation. we do know this president is a master distracter. he would be faced with a lot of oversight once democrats take over the house. my question is is that part of the equation here to take america's mind off that conversation and the second fact is if you just go through how a -- there you go. the investigations. if you go a little bit through how a

united states knows that he is not going to get the wall, or he ought to know, but he is afraid of ann coulterafraid to make a deal that ann could ser go -- ann coulter is going to criticize. and so maybe he should get this money that is spent and reimbursed by mexico. remember that the federal government is shutdown, because the u.s. taxpayers are not asked to pay for a wall that donald trump promised over and over and over again would be paid for by the mexicans. >> and jonathan, shortly after the president returned to the the white house this morning, he sent out this tweet writing have the democrats finally realized that we desperately need border security and a wall on the southern border, and we have to stop drugs, and human trafficking and gang members and criminals from coming into our kun tri. do the dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are democrats. i am not sure what that mean s really, but will you react to it. >> well, aymon, it is a shame, because he is treating it like a game. like he is back in the boardroom mugging for the cameras as opposed to leading the co

of the populace for a while but it will have no legacy whatsoever. >> president trump unfollowed ann coultertwitter but he also changed his mind on a bill to fund the wall. when the president ordered all troops out of syria it also drew wide conservative condemnation. trump allies senator lindsey graham said it was a mistake, senator marco rubio called it a major blunder, fox & friends cohost brian kilmeade labeled it stunning and irresponsible. those waiting for the president to flip on syria could be greatly disappointed because his conservative radio base, those in favor of his america first promised approve of the decisio decision. back in april when he bombed a syria after a suspected chemical weapons attack by the governmen government, they said he undermined his promise to disentangle the u.s. from global conflicts. now he's totally pulling out of syria and pulling thousands of troops from afghanistan, rush limbaugh says mr. trump is implementing the agenda he was elected to implement. >> shannon: thank you very much. are you having deja vu? does it feel like we've been through this b

>> i am literally texting ann coulter to see if she will settle for a 500 mile fence? >> yeah. >> see if she knows too what the 115 miles was that the president was referring to? >> it's him making stuff up. in many ways this has always been a figment of his imagination, just like there is going to be a concrete wall and mexico was going to pay for it. >> remember when it was going to be see through and echo friendly and solar panels. >> this is why there's such a problem negotiating on this, because he keeps moving the goal post or the metal slats as it were in this debate. >> it would be funny if it was not so serious, and it's like open mic night. >> we are talking about moving the goal post or the slats, and as you laugh, yeah, goal posts, you know -- i don't know at this point, we have seen so much, and it could be the beaded curtain, but as you look at this, you touched on a little bit how the messaging is changing. i think kellyanne conway made it clear yesterday what the new messaging is, and it plays to the point this has to be a win for the president, and say

of the populace for a while but it will have no legacy whatsoever. >> president trump unfollowed ann coulteritter but he also changed his mind on a bill to fund the wall. when the president ordered all troops out of syria it also drew wide conservative condemnation. trump allies senator lindsey graham said it was a mistake, senator marco rubio called it a major blunder, fox & friends cohost brian kilmeade labeled it stunning and irresponsible. those waiting for the president to flip on syria could be greatly disappointed because his conservative radio base, those in favor of his americaa first promised approve of the decision. back in april when he bombed a syria after a suspected chemical weapons attack by the government, they said heac undermined his promise to disentangle the u.s. from global conflicts. now he's totally pulling out of syria and pulling thousands of troops from afghanistan, rush limbaugh says mr. trump iss implementing the agenda he was elected to implement. >> shannon: thank you very much. are you having deja vu? does it feel like we've been through this before? you are r

why in fact would congress reappropriate more billions to humor laura ingraham and ann coulter. >> ion of shutting the border is a veiled threat on the part of the president, but in terms of who takes blame for the shutdown, there's blame to go all the way around. the president said he would be proud to shut the border down, well, unfortunately that's where we are. he should and i expect him to come down off his $5 billion request to build the wall. but we have to remember, democrats have been okay with a security fence in 2006. right now, it appears as though they don't want to have anything to do with the wall because it is trump's big, beautiful wall. both sides need to put aside their appeasing the base by folding their hands and not working to come together on this and they need to find some way to come to agreement. both should come together with regard to the financial aspect of this, and to what degree we need a wall or more personnel or structure or technology, let's find a way to secure the border. >> we have to wrap there. thank you so much for being with us. >>> all right