my students can't relate to it because anne frank is too unbelievably heroic to relate to and hitler is to monstrously evil to relate to but i think by operating on the edge of the holocaust and getting these ordinary germans in there. then people can understand because they can ask that question. what would i have done? yeah. yeah, i did feel when i you know when i first started thinking about writing this book that i knew i wanted to encompass some element of my own understanding of my family's experience of that war. we haven't even gotten into the resistors, which i can tell you about it, but i was looking for other other models and other other fiction in english. that dealt with this sort of what i think of as kind of the gray zone around the dark epicenter of world war ii which is the holocaust but the gray ordinary area where actually most germans lived and i found very little and that was part of why i wanted to write this. i felt compelled to go to that place to try to represent that that experience because of what you're saying that there are so much i sometimes wonder if w

. >> anne frank.a picture of anne frank. >> yeah. >> williams (softly): wow. and you think there are thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of people sharing this material. >> yeah. it started with facebook, and now most of the groups are telegram, some whatsapp groups. maybe 250, 300, but... >> williams: 300 groups?! >> yeah. some i check ten times a day, because from my point of view, these are important groups. are they discussing?rt of thing >> (speakingerman): i'd say in ten to 20 groups, they talk about terroristic attacks that we had in germany, in halle and mr. lübcke. they talk about if it's okay or not okay, talk about... >> williams: do they say it's okay? >> they say it's okay. especially halle, they said... >> williams: where they attacked the synagogue. >> yeah, but it's, like, you know, when halle happened, they started to discuss, and the most they discussed was why he just killed two people. and it was something like, "if i would do that, i would kill more-- i would kill hundreds." th

joining me from capitol hill is leigh ann caldwell and frank figliuzzi, former fbi director and msnbctributor. i want to play what kasie hunt did with the sergeant who was there that day. i think people need to be reminded of just how harrowing the experience itself was. take a listen. >> whatever i think there were findings inside the stage that was a construction site that you saw ripped apart, using that as a weapon, throwing them. it was unbelievable, unbelievable, the crowd, they wouldn't listen to anything that police were saying at all. they continued to say we are here because our president, president trump sent us here. we won't listen to anybody else but him. >> i wanted to start the conversation there, this is a person who says president trump told him to be there. it looked like this report was all about compartmentalizing and, frankly, blaming the victim. >> it was definitely about karmtalizing. that was the point of this report, chuck. there were some things to celebrate in the sense it was bipartisan, which is something that is very rare here but it was also very limite

it's vaccines, whether it's straight talk to putin, and that he was pretty frank in saying, that's all i've got to work with, anne been thinking about this question, and he had a chance to tab it, and i'm sure a lot of his aides aren't happy with the lengths he went in answering it, but his answer was telling. it shows that he knows that there's a real underlying problem here that a week of very warm meetings with allies isn't going to fix. i mean, all those allies know that the u.s. election cycle is very short. we've got a midterm election coming up in which the balance of power could change in congress, and president biden's agenda already stalled could just go completely in the tank. and then there could be a different president of a different party and a different viewpoint in dealing with allies in just two years after that. so, they are delighted to see him, but they're wary about what might happen next, and for all the warm welcome that he has had all week, you can tell in his answer that he's been thinking about the fact that they know, just as he knows, that u.s. politics may be different coming down th