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but joining me now, anthony coley, former justice department spokesperson under attorney general merrickrmer u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. barbara, let me start with start with you. your reaction to this incredible news coming out of washington. >> i suppose. >> it's not surprising in. >> light of some. >> of the activity we've seen from. president trump this week, but inspectors general are intended to be independent. they serve for no real set term, with the goal being that they will outlast some of the presidents that appoint them. some are appointed by the president, some are appointed by the agency head, and their focus. >> is on. >> internal investigations for fraud, waste and abuse. and so their objectivity is very important. in fact, there were inspectors general of the department of justice who uncovered some of the irregularities in the investigation into the russia investigation. and so the idea that donald trump wants to replace some of these people, including some who were his own appointees from his first term, suggests that he's cleaning house and put

with me here in studio, anthony coley, former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. >> welcome, all. >> ryan, help us get our arms around this, because it's a ton of people, including violent offenders, as i said, all being released, i guess, essentially at the same time. >> yeah. i mean, it's really sweeping and full. it's a full, complete sweeping pardon. and i think that that's, you know, really something that i think a lot of republicans on capitol hill are going to have to be grappling with in the next few days because a few of them put themselves out there and said that, you know, j.d. vance, for example, is that obviously that pardoning january 6th rioters who committed violent attacks on police officers was was not a good idea and that yet that's exactly what happened. you know, you're going to show video after video of these offenders. and i can tell you what that person's been part of everyone who has been pardoned. the only question is who of these defendants hasn't been charged yet and who will still be left sitting? because remember, the online sleuths have

joining us now is former republican congressman david jolly of florida and anthony coley, former chief are msnbc contributors. congressman jolly, when you take a step back and you look at the big picture here, hegseth, rubio, bondi, all testify, we just ran through who's going today and what's to come. how do you think trump's cabinet picks are faring so far? >> well, i think from all the ones we've heard from thus far, anna, they likely will all sail through confirmation now. interestingly, it might be by a party line vote. >> i think secretary of defense nominee hegseth may be a party line vote, which would really be historic in itself. >> i think from what we've heard thus far, the most unsettling hearing was texas. >> he never proved his qualifications. >> democrats kind of attacked his fitness, but he never asserted why being a fox news host qualified him to be secdef, or why running a koch brothers veterans group qualified him to be secdef, or his years in the national guard qualified him to be secdef. >> i think he is wholly unqualified. that was unsettling. >> and then secondly

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but joining me now, anthony coley, former justice department spokesperson under attorney general merrickd former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. barbara, let me start. start with you. your reaction to this incredible news coming out of washington. >> i suppose it's not surprising. >> in light of. some of. >> the activity. >> we've seen from president trump. >> this week, but. >> inspectors general are. intended to be independent. >> they serve for no real set term, with the goal being that they will outlast some of the presidents that appoint them. some are appointed by the president, some. >> are. >> appointed by. the agency head. >> and their focus is on internal investigations. >> for fraud, waste and abuse. and so their objectivity is very important. in fact, there were. inspectors general of the department of justice. >> who uncovered. >> some of the irregularities in the investigation into the russia investigation. and so the idea that donald trump wants to replace some of these. >> people. >> including some who were his own appointees from his first term. >> su

well, joining me here in the studio, we have anthony coley, msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst.f the department of justice, office of public affairs and former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. so welcome to you. and it makes you the perfect person, given the fact that you got to know him very well. give me give me a sense of what stood out to you from his farewell address. >> well, i will tell you. >> you heard yamiche. >> here, talk a little bit about these attacks. >> and these attacks are coming from all sides. merrick garland has done one thing, is unify democrats and republicans against him. right. i will tell you what i saw in my time there. right. i saw him put in place people and processes to both improve the morale of the department that had fallen to record lows during the trump term. >> but i also saw him do that to also reassure the american people that facts and law and not politics guide decision making. >> what's also interesting here is that, like, that sounds noble. what i just said, and it is how it plays out. it is not always welcomed by dem

all right, so let's talk about this real quick about the firing of the inspectors general, anthony coley hour when i interviewed him, made a great observation. he said, people have been talking about the fact that donald trump wants loyalty when what he really wants is obedience. is this the way we should be looking at the firing of these inspectors general? >> i mean, what he really wants is to have no laws that he has to follow. he wants he doesn't want to be called on anything. i mean, nothing can surprise us. but when this happened, it's just like, okay, here we go again. it's just one in many, many things that he's going to do that are that's going to be destabilizing. and clearly, you know, when, when the inspectors are supposed to be watching over so that there's no criminality and corruption, they're gone. who's going to be watching over them? >> so what i think is interesting is inspectors general was something that was started after nixon, right? they were an anti-corruption measure put in after watergate. and i think, look, you don't get rid of the anti-corruption measure unle

. >> joining us now to break all of this down is anthony coley, a former senior adviser to attorney generalalso an msnbc justice and legal affairs and analyst. also with us is mark elias, the founder of democracy docket. anthony, let's talk about what's going to happen at the doj. first and foremost, so doj prosecutors, many of them are not political appointees. they're just career prosecutors who work in main justice. how are they likely to respond when they get the order that a prosecution, a political prosecution, is underway? >> so right now, prosecutors, fbi agents, they follow the facts, right? the facts tell these folks where to go next. and a trump administration, if they get that type of order, i think there's going to be stiff resistance from the majority of those folks who work at the doj. the people that you just mentioned, understanding that law enforcement, and certainly the fbi has a conservative tilt to it. so while most of the folks i think will shudder and not go through with what they think is an unlawful order, i think there are some folks there who are inclined, particu

with me now is msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley and msnbc contributor susanne craige reporter as well at the new york times. it's great to have both of you with us. anthony, i'll start with you. this 25 member committee. yeah. it doesn't have to review its background check in order for him, you know, to get the process going, if you will, to proceed with the nomination, should they be able to? should the senator should the public be able to review all of the information that is available on this guy? without a doubt. >> and let me just start by saying i worked for three us senators. i mean, the posture for most us senators is to let an incoming president just make it make out their own batting order. >> right. but that presumes that the nominee is qualified. >> this guy is laughably unqualified. and so the challenge here for democrats is and we were talking about this a little bit before the break. >> the challenge here is how do you what do you do when you don't have the votes to stop it? >> right. >> and so i think what we're seeing going into this hearing, we see

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