. >> commissioner antonini i. >> i want to ask whether or not to support the continuance how busy is our calendar. >> june 18th - impetus a medium sized calendar. >> what's the week after that. >> none of the hearings in the near future are overly full. >> we could do the 25th. >> that's my birthday i would appreciate not to be here. >> there's a motion. >> i realize there's a motion i wanted to make other comments i think that the gentleman put it correctly those are technical issues the project is a good project i support we should confine our comments in the future to the set back i think everything else is settled within that a provision for onsite affordable the more we make that as simple as possible from the next hearing those are the two issues with validity so if we can get those things done i'm supportive and look at those bathroom windows they brought that up too. >> commissioner richards. >> one quick i guess technical question of 70 staff people brought up the oven to the point that commissioner moore mentions what is group housing what's our understanding of this projec

. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i think the pardon should be afforded a rebuttal pardon do you have a rebuttal? commissioners >> commissioners as was stated we worked with enormous planners and each the planners had different perspectives we are were offend a penthouse then no penthouse and bulk head it is really been a variety of different changes i've worked diligently with the architect met with the neighbors i even provided changes approval space i was given at the previous hearing back as you can see we said we'd have a 4 feet set back with the stairs i made that 5 foot i was going to have a closet in one of the original drawings and this turned into the space here originally if you look here this space originally here actually was the bedroom and it actually had a closet that space i gave back that space consists of more space than required in the stairs as you've seen in the packet the open stairs is not visible no privacy issues this addition if you look at the neighborhood this is a recent addition on the str

update or any kind of idea that arises of the department itself. >> thank you commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i saw that and i'm supportive of whatever the city can do to make sure this gets restored and i like the idea of at least part of it san francisco history museum because there is none in almost any other city there are museums for that cities history very interesting in yesterday's chronicle by john king on i think this is 460 fulsome a future project that will be coming before us because we have to approve a part of it but the rest of transbay didn't come before us for decisions as far i know i'll ask the department to get an update on the transbay situation so we can kind of factor in the developments that are occurring and in other areas around the transbay region so we can get an update that would be great. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further we can move on to department matter directors announcements. >> good evening, commissioners just if i could on the last item commissioner antonini the commission asked a while ago for the mission bay update we have a transbay one comin

for her time she's the expert but a group effort the project is much better i move to approve. >> second. >> commissioner antonini and yeah. i like it a lot i have one question i'm looking rendering a-4.2 to give the separation there's a rust color implemented on the floors up through about the fifth floor second yeah. i don't see it on one of the patents panels it is on the end of the building a-2 - a-4.2 >> color. >> a color change but let's see if we can see if this looks at fatdz oh, there it is all the parts of building have the darker color yeah, all the way on market this section didn't have it anything like that it should also have it it is more consistent with the rest of the building do you agree commissioner richards. >> i guess are you talking about the main from the off - >> you see how they go all the way down the rust matches the masonry buildings. >> it will calling your attention to the corner i get i'll defer to commissioner moore who's the architect mr. small for his opinion. >> well, the one of the excuse me. the architect for the sponsor it translates from the corner to hate street we use thi

the downtown they need to grow and i realize this is not exactly what we're talking about today but that's my difficulty with this project site. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. the whole rincon hill plan the whole idea i mentioned earlier at this point we're making a choice between the tower that is higher than what is there now or the tower it is significantly honor what is there the intent of the plan whether or not we make the motivations to allow for denser hours it was settled it was the modification that makes it a little bit more acceptable in many ways and but i think we have a month and a half until this comes of we initiate this today, i ask the project sponsor and staff bring back many any of the questions the commissioners asked like the contra flow lane any other types of things that might maybe more comparisons of the two i think the discussions of the elevators and other things that make the taller building more of a challenge were helpful in the decision to go with the shorter and somewhat bulkier building. >> i want to say we'll do that for the 168th of just like we've got a more robust presentation so we're trying to limit the num

. >> commissioner antonini. >> i voted for rincon hill plan including all the towers that are being built we wanted to put towers on hills that makes more sense than the valencia and the gentrification is working anti well as a result point up in the staff report the 399 got an tower exception two as well as 375 i remember the discussion an 399 but arc today's they are putting two buildings and the compromise to have one tower that is aesthetically better i think this is it brought it closer to rincon hill they needed to tower exceptions correct me if i am wrong if anyone knows i'm quite sure about 375 but maybe a similar situation. >> so the separation is between this building and the 45 lansing is somewhat similar to the situation between number one and 399 fremont if i'm not mistaken i a point of information, sir can answer this question what's the definition of a tore is it over 85 feet considered a tower? >> in the rincon hill it is over hundred and 10. >> hundred and 10 oh, but this qualifies as a a tower our hundred and 7 three or four hundred presumably the tower that's the higher

you'll consider it i'll defer to my fellow commissioners for in their opinion and commissioner antonini. >> i remember the old st. mary's it predated chinatown when it become time to take advantage of the historical transfer development rights moving it into the c-3 makes sense but only to construct that for this site in a chinatown special use district as i remember or chinatown commercial i can't remember the zoning by that's why this legislation is gnarling craftsed we don't want mom to take advantage of that unless they're an anywhere image of momma's you've got a 50 percent usage for the grocery stores component and total size of 5 thousand square feet and ground level 15 most years vacant and couple of thing we have on this it make perfect sense a lot of work went into constructing it, it is going to do this this is an outline win and no loss mraundz mr. sanchez said it is imperfect hard i'm going who is the - would wanted to take over this is a concept that has to stand alone you have a loss leader of the grocery store from the grocery store didn't generate enough to support it's will

. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i like this project and i would support commissioner moore and asking the project manager to continue to work with staff on design to prove improve that to address the street in the best possible way that meets a big need we know for a fact that many, many people are moving to san francisco and many people require smaller spaces or can live with smaller spaces and many people will be working near in area those are the kinds of people that will rent this we don't know what in their income will be but adequate to rent the unit and not expedite with other people with housing stock we've helped the affordability in the city by approving those units it begins to address the real demand the demand off people come into to the city with more income and expediting with people that wish to live here of limited means we're doing exactly what we should do i'm total in support of this project and move to approve. >> second. >> commissioner hillis. >> yes. i'm in support just a followup on commission

i have nothing. >> sir, i building your request for continuance was heard by the commissions there is a motion and a second to nominate the tree today. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. probably not going to be supportive because by nominating it today it plies says we as a commission we are recommending looishg landmarking this is not up to us i haven't heard the age of the tree or dangle that may come from the tree on the property i mean, i need for information before i'm going to vote for landmarking a tree or send it. >> nominating it plies we're supportive of the preservation of the tree i don't think milestone my questions have been answered of what value the tree has we need more time for those answers. >> i believe from this action then the urban forestry council has approximately hundred and 20 days to make a determination if this is something that can be landmarked they'll forward on to the full board and the full board will ultimately make a decision whether or not this is a landmark tree. >> within that hundred and 20 days the tree is not protected. >> so right now the tree is already protected because of the action of the director of public wor

i picked that example okay. thank you. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i agree with commissioner moore on the masonry it z does look like a facade at that point as so he happened to be part of building if you use that i strongly support and do a larger surface you only have a few that hearten to the masonry i like the punched windows as i said it is nice to have buildings that are not the same they get repetitious this heart attacks to the industrial buildings and breaks it from everything else on the hill our doing a lot of nice things as far as the building are paralleling to the freeway as long as separation is an adequate one it seems to be as the dimensions i'm not concerned it is only a point contract or a leaner contact the separation is a separation those units are going to be know that's what they're getting that end up being. >> commissioner hillis. >> just a question upcoming when looking at the alternatives some of the similar responses alternative g and e not necessarily it seems less bulky they're less bulky but you had notations about why i

i move to approve. >> second. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i agree prairie the comments from the exit from muni at the northwest corner i try to avoid of it means walking an extra strand theater street are two and in terms of some of the things we're asked the expectations the loading dock has been clear the loading dock would be disruptive and the exposure everybody has exposure to the courtyard entertainment commission the courtyard is two small but the third thing the wind variance some improved some worse but all things considered those are well worth granting the exceptions it's a well done project for all the reasons stated and architects agreed with the exception of market street. >> commissioner hillis. >> yeah. i second everything everybody says i'm in a true mark inform commercial. (laughter) this design is great it fits in great it is what we envisioned had go market octavia was passed so i agree with the comments i'll happy to see other projects being krungd off potrero and the heights the old dental place i hope they're designed a

i think it would be a shame if momma's didn't get this site they've worked hard to get the site. >> is there any additional public comment seeing none, public comment is closed commissioner antonini. >> well, i think this is a wonderful idea you know creates a market were there will be good healthy foods and everything that anyone could want to buy from the neighborhood for their grocery store needs just in smaller quality and bye right has been successful where a similar model in the marketing district and i understand this market will have the meats and poll tries and fish and everything else you need at 21 hundred square feet is plenty big that doesn't include the supportive space for the restaurant and market some markets need to have as part of their market that is a per say the other benefit a second momma's that creates more jobs there are used to be a place in north beach little jorge's rain or shine there's no line it's not around but there's a line at momma's i observe it when i'm not across the street when i get the bread from the market they're waiting longer than me it is going to be helpful and i think this as wonderful way to do that i'm very supportive. >> commiss

i move to approve. >> second. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i agree prairie the comments from the exit from muni at the northwest corner i try to avoid of it means walking an extra strand theater street are two and in terms of some of the things we're asked the expectations the loading dock has been clear the loading dock would be disruptive and the exposure everybody has exposure to the courtyard entertainment commission the courtyard is two small but the third thing the wind variance some improved some worse but all things considered those are well worth granting the exceptions it's a well done project for all the reasons stated and architects agreed with the exception of

i move to approve. >> second. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i agree prairie the comments from the exit from muni at the northwest corner i try to avoid of it means walking an extra strand theater street are two and in terms of some of the things we're asked the expectations the loading

i encourage you to deny this project. >> thank you. >> okay is there any additional public comment on this item ? okay. not seeing any 3gd and commissioner antonini >> thank you very complicated issue i understand the various concerned just a few general statements in terms of the convenience stores and you mention there's a place for everything and in terms of what maybe offered at the convenience store oifsh almost all store has bad products it is basically up to you and as a parent to take care of our kids and you'll make our choices there are bad things you can buy anywhere there's a time for convenience stores and time for markets many times when picking up one item i like molly stones i live fairly close but i'll run into a convenience stores it is quickly to pick up one thing i don't want to deal with the lines and things like that and in terms of the possible disruption and crime you i'm not sure you can conduct there is a large screens store making for a worse environment the john detail and park merced or lashlgd a really clean i've not run into someone panhandling when i go into the store he see things are policed unfortunately, a coup

. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i agree that is we're analyzing the accuracy completeness and accuracy of this environmental document not talking about the project, however, i have a few questions just in general we're of having a facility that is much smaller than the one that exists now how is that possible when there's been the realignment the state prisons out in the city and counties to house them within their own facilities. >> that's a question for dpw. >> so based on the controller accomplishes a forecast and used the data from the state and the prosecutor cases so fremont is here he can answer that so every year the forecast of what the jail needs in the city last year, we needed when we submitted in application we needed 640 beds within the range and the following year it dropped down to 4 tech sf on the now between hundred and 20 beds and 393 beds so we picked the 384 that's in alignment with the sheriff's department needs that's how the beds are determined. >> yeah. but the only concern this facility is bu

. >> so i - commissioner antonini and i'm okay. i'll be okay to expanding the daytime hours of entertainment. >> i was going to say the same thing. >> start hour could be you know like 9 o'clock or 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock so they can have in the morning have a little bit of music and people can have lunch during saturdays and sundays but have to close early on sundays the hours will look like this four to 10 wednesday, thursday, and sunday or i was going to let them open earlier on sunday 11 to 10 on sunday and saturday 11 to one and friday also one. >> let me ask a question to staff we need to limit name bodies at the time both sides the goal to simplify as simple as possible one proposal 9:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. week days i'm talking about operations and then 9:00 a.m. to one a.m. weekends and then for music i don't know for amplified music i think ohio as as it is now the operations hours is 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. the real issue it the entertainment if we can focus on the restricting the hours of that entertainment and what they

unanimously 4 to divorce and places you commissioners questions or comments and commissioner antonini. >> yeah. iw up up how the pleasant and livermore area i was on my way to 680 some land under construction it might be developed probably housing couldn't say the land is owned by itself city and county of san francisco the puc and we own. >> huge amount of land there to the south of berry necessarily avenue and part of that land was developed some years ago for residents and for small shopping area really well done and mines was the city sold that land and something else developed it i don't know for sure i'm curious as to what is going on with that parcel of land is not wise to sell land it is worth a lot you get the revenue from the rental and the and a presentation so it is wise to hold into land in desirable areas and should consider some of the land to be self-developed and build housing or affordable housing, we could built supportive housing oath middle-income housing and i'm not sure we'll get the credit for the regolden technically in alameda did you not u county but the idea to divide

. >> i agree with commissioner antonini i'm generally supportive a good project better to have the post office obviously responding to those concerns and on record a little bit troubling we get one e-mail in mobbing their plans it would be great for them to be more open but generally this project works and good for the neighborhood. >> commissioner johnson. >> yeah. tuff definitely in agreement with the commissioners commissioner antonini you were looking if this is an underutilized site approximately, one thousand of 8 thousand boxes are in use that's clearly underutilized i have a couple of questions about the design itself but i agree having the ground floor retail is a better use of this site i believe that having neighborhood services including delivery services is important unfortunately i don't know we can condition this project with having to do with the post office is or not going to decide that's not the correct way to do but ask ms. connor based on our understanding i don't know how much research do you know anything about what the post offices what requirement for the past n

i echo commissioner antonini's thoughts a bar restaurant i'd rather see a restaurant bar mr. paul what kind of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it this you going to require to have food. >> they're seeking a 47 license. >> it will be a true bona fide eel eating place another thing i want to ask the condition of approval they have the noise limiter installed with the commission standards that's what we did in the upper market and s it worked i'll support a 6 month informational presentation back to the commission on all they're doing. >> please come on. >> mike smith's office a discussion of the soundproofing but we've not heard about soundproofing in the back that is a kitchen it is going to operate to midnight. >> mr. sulter your advice on how you're going to do that. >> this is a letter i wrote and i listed mechanic equipment and noise vibration the city has noise owners and we will design it to meet those requirements. >> like registertion and things like that for exhaust. >> we have noise and vibration. >> does that - >> ma'am you're going to have come up to th

antonini. >> thank you interesting questions here i think this is a good project in regards to the postal facility most of what the discussion has been around the postal facilities move frequently in the small town where i grew up they only had postal boxed no general deliver and moved to a full post office and moved two or three times that's over 50 years also out in 94132 they've moved again 10 years ago post offices do move the important concern is keeping continuity for those who have post office boxes particular for general deliver maybe i can ask kate on the update i think in your presentation you said the general thought the possessive boxes were going to be relocated to fox plaza short working class walk from this facility this is the case as far as you know. >> that's the case the environmental planner was in contact with the united states post office and did receive an e-mail they're planning to create a 5 to 8 hundred square feet location within the vicinity of 101 heidi think an will actual location has not been determined. >> okay plans but haven't figured out where it will be you sai

antonini. >> yeah. a few things first of all i was part of a panel discussion on tuesday morning and the law institute i was asked to comment will informational comments on the prop m allocation a very good panel one of the interesting presentations came from tracey the head of the bay area council economic institute and she talked about growth we've heard some of this already in other reports she said san francisco job growths was 16 percent last year as opposed to the bay area 12 in the area of 9 and quite interesting she said at 2014 a huge jump in venture capital the four largest venue capital firms were in san francisco airbnb and lyft and others it both sides well an interest in the companies that are growing that is one reason which why the employment growth is so great that's interesting for anyone that is interested the commission secretary has a sipping synopsis those are available if monikers to get them on a less positive note an article in the sunday chronology san francisco san francisco measure up to real big cities many of the things i've noticed in the trips to other places take too muc

tough forum so if no more than 3 commissioners at that time that's great commissioner antonini and yeah. count me in i want to talk with staff and commissioners i think you're going about it the right way using percentages you've got how much of a return the investors will need because fund managers will take flyers on invested that is speculative in a how did market we've seen in san francisco million dollars have been thrown on projects that may not go forward in the mission district because tlsh there's a lot of pushing back but i extrapolate that into dollars it is the right way but the percentage makes sense because as things get hotter costs increases from the land is not acquired labor costs are high and material costs and, of course we've seen process is much more difficult in bad times the process is automatic none has is jobs but they start working and talking about other things that's part and the percentage works as the city get better things get better from the city goes down rincon hill sat idle for five or six years with the exception of rincon hill was the only thing that got built so

commissioner antonini. >> move to continue, however, for two weeks. >> two weeks commission will put us on july 2nd which with 2000 brought in september is not two impacted. >> july 2nd. >> do i hear a second. >> second. >> thank you commissioner richards on that motion to continue this matter commissioner antonini. >> commissioner hillis commissioner moore commissioner richards and commissioner wu so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 5 to zero. >> commissioners that places you under on department matters directors announcements. >> commissioner good afternoon i don't have particular announcements but ask kate from the district attorney's office city attorney's office to talk about a state superior court. >> commissioners from the city attorney's office you've probably heard about it may be a a lot there was an important land use decision the california sfrikt held that the inclusionary housing are generally police power laws that maybe adapted as well as they have a reasonable relationship to the welfare the court recognizes the its critical housing needs and no way a municipality can't have new development to set aside proposed units for sale as a at a pr

antonini. >> thanks before the waive on this maintains i make sense on the flments f in-law units we want to encourage people to get the legalized unit by waving the fees relate losses it is small in view of the entire budget that make sense and the second item is administrator in nature even though it is in the planning code and corrects

continue it didn't have to come before you. >> i make a motion to continue to june 25th. >> we should afford public comment. >> i'll have commissioner antonini speak first. >> going to say it's okay. on the continuance but it might be useful for the item that has been discussed item to be presented as far as the alignment of the lightwells but if you don't want to see or do that that's fine. >> i don't feel like that's necessary from the parties come to on a agreement we need to take public comment if is there anyone from the public that wishes to speak whether tea support or don't support a continuance. >> public comment is closed. >> commissioners on the motion to continue this to june trying. >> commissioner antonini. >> commissioner hillis commissioner moore commissioner richards and commissioner wu. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 5 to zero. >> and places you under general public comment there are no speaker cards. >> any general public comment seeing none general public comment is closed. meeting ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the san francisco playground's hitsvery dates back to 1927 when the area where the present playground and