now apparently it's the national archives staff. the national archives. i mean, talk about the case that proves the point, right? if the federal government were a zoo, the national archives would be like the lop eared bunnies exhibit, the cute little vegetarian monkeys so spall small they could sit in a teaspoon. i mean, even if you want to make the national archives a pulse-pounding source of great excitement, it will cost you $100 million to make that movie and it's going to require fick laos cage and it's going to be too ridiculous to take seriously even for a second. but in this political environment on the right they can generate a murderous rage about the national archives apparently or the fbi or school boards or librarians or teachers or doctors or county public health boards or the little old ladies who work at the polls on election day. no one is beyond being threatened, doxed, harassed, driven out of public service. it is hard to stay a democracy just in a practical level. it is hard to stay a democracy when all forms of public service, large a

now apparently it's a national archive staff. the national archives. talk about the case to prove the point right? if the federal government were a zoom the baby otters it's just not possible to object an international basis. even if you want to make the national archives a postponing a source of the national excitement, it's gonna cost you 100 million dollars to make that movie and it's gonna require nicolas cage and it's gonna be too ridiculous to take seriously, even for a second. but in this political environment on the right, they can generate a murderous range of the national archives or school boards or librarians or doctors or county public health boards or the little old ladies who work at the polls on election day. no one's beyond being threatened, doxxed, threatened, intimidated being driven out of public service. it is hard to stay in democracy at a practical level when all forms of public service large and small, all jobs in the public life of our democracy commit threats. you can't hold free and fair elections when it takes bravery to be

in the c-span archives. am wondering, one of them was in 2016 with the heads of this insomnia and library of congress. you told us you three had never talked before. did anything come out of that discussion? david: we talk on a regular basis and especially during covid, sharing information about coordinating information, dealing with the covid situation. we have activities going on on the preservation front working together, sharing information about various formats in our collections, it's an ongoing conversation. susan: last question, what are you going to miss the most. david: the staff. i am fortunate to have some really smart, clever, passionate folks about the mission of the agency, and they have been just terrific to work with. susan: what does retirement look like? david: it's a blank page. i have made no commitments, and people keep asking me what are you going to do, it is whatever i want to do, making it up as we go along, we will see. susan: thank you for making time with c-span, one of your last

which can only be discerned by burrowing deep into the national archives. >> does the archives have enforcementresident compliant to the -- four -- documents? >> the archives is not a law enforcement agency. it has he will, he threw it security service, to enforce protection of materials and its various facilities. >> but if there is an issue of criminal enforcement, experts say, the archives have to refer the matter to a billion building about two blocks away. the department of justice. >> but the archives can also help solve important disputes. can solve legal or legislative battles. as former white house ethics norm tells us, if there is to speak with a treaty or another international agreement, if there is a dispute over the legislative history of a law, documents preserved by the archives can be accessed to solve this impasses and protect u.s. national security. alex's agency often minimizes crucial. >> fascinating report, thank you for that brian todd. we will have more news just ahead, including a cnn exclusive for the former security chief authorities in the company for concealing reach

there's one archives like that and it's the army archives in pennsylvania. as another one like that because unlike the national archives in d.c., they've gone out of their way to collect diaries and memoirs and that's where generals complete set of diariet detail, not just the politics of berlin at the time, what he's wearing, but the atmosphere of the meeting was like so all about is wonderful. it should be said, these four, they met every week, the four sectors of the government in berlin. what's wonderful about the archives is that every single word ever spoken about room was being recorded history because secretaries stenographers writing down everything and the progress of the politeness into outrageous arguments, they were all recorded on paper so that was a wonderful resource as well, you feel like you are in the room at the time when these explosives are taking place. it's a miracle it didn't start punching each other because by 1948, they were true. >> that is fascinating. that's very cool. did the book affect your view on world war ii? >> it sheds

from our g, but is your favorite archive, do you have a favorite archive? >> which is my favorite archive, that is a very tricky one. i like, in london, we have the imperial war museum. which is our great museum to warfare and all of the many wars that britain has fought over the centuries. their archivist good because it is largely diaries, letters and memoirs. so, it's the stories of individuals. for me, these individual stories, these stories of men and women who often are not very well-known but achieved remarkable things of their own lifetime, these are the stories that interest me. more than the collections of all the documents of state. which, of course, are important and interesting for the framework of the book. but what really gives the meat to the book is the stories of individual accounts. people who are in berlin in july, 1945, when the americans and the british arrived. and remember, it recall, it describe it. all the details of, it with the weather was, like what they for lunch that day. those sorts of little details really enable you to just

but imagine -- imagine you are a senior archivist at the national archives. and you are watching the news that night on september 29th, 2018. and you see and hear donald trump say about kim jong-un, he wrote me beautiful letters and had great letters. we fell in love. you are an archivist. you know those letters are coming your way at some point. do you jump off of the sofa at home when you hear that? do you spill whatever you were drinking when you hear donald trump say that? that he has beautiful letters from kim jong-un? he has love letters from the murderous north korean dictator, who starves his people? from that moment forward, every archivist working at the national archives -- who knew that they were going to see, eventually, the trump presidential papers had to be planning. on day one of delivery of the trump presidential papers. an immediate high-speed search for the trump love letters with kim jong-un. by the trump presidential papers showed up at the end of the trump presidency. and the love letters weren't there. president obama's letter, to dona

an archival institution.nko center will deal with museum affairs and organize cult events. employees will be transferred to similar positions in the new structure. in the words of the former head of the dovzhenko center, ivan kozlenko, any attempt to remove the collection from the film archive will make it impossible for the center to publish, exhibit, and research. wrote on his facebook page that the center did not undertake to create an animation against the reorganization of the dovzhenko center, in particular, the art arsenal, the ukrainian institute and mr. ukraine, and the public council of the state cinema is demanding the withdrawal of the decision on the reorganization, according to this logic, the national art museum , the vernadsky library, in almost all educational institutions, the ukrainian actor and director of akhtemsii tablaev tried to find out the position of the parties - he says that it is important not to lose the film fund, of course, look at the conditions of how it will be stored well,

, the archive of the sbu, the archives of the ministry of internal affairs, the state archives of thece of birth and residence. so, in principle, a very large number of these appeals will end with the fact that there are cases and even despite the fact that the war is going on now archives work, archives receive appeals, archives provide answers and even scan electronic copies of cases, send them to applicants in order to actually also show this parallel, because i know a dozen of them people and in which, for example, at one time, parents or grandfathers and great-grandfathers already worked there and fought as part of the ukrainian insurgent army. and now they directly protect the independence of ukraine with weapons in their hands. thank you, thank you. ihor kulyk , director of the archive of national memory joined before our marathon , it will be impossible to significantly reduce state budget expenditures in 2023, according to the chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on finance, tax and customs policy, danylo hetmantsev. however, the politician is confident

. >> >>> so it turns out the national archives has been after donald trump to turn over documents sincehe waning days of his presidency. good morning, everyone. good morning, kaitlan collins. >> quite the greeting for everybody waking up. >> it's been going on a long time. enjoy your coffee. we do begin with new cnn reporting overnight. an email from the national archives reveals how long donald trump has been holding sensitive documents that he should not possession. the email indicates that records were not returned despite a determination by a top white house lawyer that they should be. a source says there were a dozen emails and calls over the course of 2021, 2021, this is last year, including a may 2021 email from the national archives to trump's lawyers that reads in part, quote, it is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the residence of the white house over the course of president trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to the archives despite a determination by pat cipollone, the white house counsel

, email that shows just how long donald trump has been holding sensitive documents in the archives did not think should be in his position at all. the email indicates records were not returned despite a determination by a top white house lawyer that they had to be, according to a source throughout 2021, there are about a dozen emails and calls including a may 2021 email from the national archives to trump's lawyers that reads in part, it is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the residence of the white house over the course of president trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to the archives despite a determination by pat cipollone, the white house counsel in the final days of the administration that they need to be. "the washington post" was the first to report on this email. >>> also this morning, the justice department has got a clock that is now ticking as they face a noon deadline to turn over a redacted version of the affidavit that was behind that fbi search of trump's house at mar-a-lago. a judge wi

and the archives take up more than one building. but don trump's hotel in florida is not one of them. debra could never have imagined that she was going to become the most important archivist in american history. if you've never known the name of the archivist of the united states before now, welcome to the club. it is not the place where attention seekers go to work. it probably was not with debra was dreaming of when she was a college student at a graduate student at american university studying film. if she ever had fantasies of fame, it may have been of the hollywood variety. but, in 1991 during the republican administration of the first president bush, deborah seidel wall went to work at the national archives as an archivist trainee with a specialty in film. 20 years later, deborah seidel wall became deputy archivist of the united states in 2011 and after archivist david ferreira retired in may of just this year, deborah seidel wall became active archivist of the united states. instantly, she found herself in the middle of the

it's all supposed to be at the national archives or in the control of the national archives rather than in a storage closet at mar-a-lago. it's remarkable they put this out because i think it gives us a lot of info about what's happening here and shows all of the steps that they took to try to head off what ultimately was an fbi search warrant executed on mar-a-lago two weeks ago now, katy. >> i read through the whole letter and i was surprised at the tone of it. it was quite terse. it was in response to this request from president trump's team that he had executive privilege and got to go before them more before the national archives handed them over to the fbi saying wait on all of this stuff. i'm going to go through it. the national archives said, what are you talking about? this is not your stuff, number one. you can't claim executive privilege. number two, this is national security. and we've got to go through it to make sure that everything is okay. we've got to do a damage assessment as the, from the american government. when you read it, did you take that away or was this just k

evan, this newly revealed email from the archives to trump's attorneys is showing how far the archives went to get documents and how long they were looking at this. >> reporter: yeah, it really shows that almost from the time the former president left office, there were these efforts by the national archives, first, as you can tell, almost pleadingly to get some of these documents. of course, once they did get those documents earlier this year, we know that's when all the alarm bells went off. that's when this investigation really became a criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information and potentially obstruction of justice, which is where we are. and that's what we want to see from the -- from what the justice department is getting ready to file with this judge. now, we don't know what this judge is going to do. we know he's -- obviously he know what's in this affidavit. he's very familiar wit, and he says he's very comfortable with what he approved. we'll see whether the justice department is going to at least perhaps unredact some of the things that h

the archives and trump. the archives did not receive the first tranche of boxes until january, that's when they agreed in december to give back 15 boxes. from there the archives told trump to continue to search for boxes. there was an assumption amongst archives officials that boxes were still missing. then we know that by april, i believe it was april 12th, that the archives notified trump that they were going to be referring this to the fbi. they had nearly four weeks to resolve this, to figure it out. by may 10th a final e-mail was sent saying that they were going to give the boxes over to the fbi. then the fbi traveled down to mar-a-lago. in june there was multiple exchanges between them that we had previously reported on. on june 19th trump was himself immersed in this process and then by august 8th there was a search warrant executed but i do think it's really important to know that this search warrant did not come out of thin air, that there was repeated attempts to try to retrieve these boxes from th

and that's what caused archives. when they got those documents and realized there was more at mar-a-lago, that's what caused archives to get doj and the fbi involved. that's why this is a criminal matter. >> and we get a scope of the timeline of how long this had been going on, right, because you have the former president's legal team saying basically you should have just asked us. we were cooperating. now we see how many attempts were actually made to do just that. >> this notion that doj or archives acted suddenly or irrationally in going in and executing the search warrant two and a half weeks ago is completely false. it's completely undermined by the actual facts. this tells us archives started asking for these documents from mar-a-lago in may of 2021 and didn't actually get them until seven months later. that is remarkable patience. if anything, i think you might question archives and doj, why did you wait so long. >> why didn't you go in sooner. harry, let me turn to you on this issue of probable cause. because

they belong to the national archives. so the next question was, was there classified material among these documents? again, as not really up for debate. the answer to that is a clear yes. fact in defending trump many of his spokespeople seem to have conceded a point. so the next question, the one we heard -- was how classified are they? a lot of stuff is classified in government, and it's lot of stuff is over classified frankly, so we'll be talking about the highest level of classification or more pedestrian classification? what we know now the answer that. they were among the most highly classified material, the kinds of material that trump's republican defenders in congress identified before it was revealed has very secretive. and the final push. the big one, the one that matters the most legally's, was trump's action willful or was it sloppy? and i will say, at first it wasn't that clear. i didn't know. but also clearly he's not the most careful person in the world. who's got the best document retention practices? it s

we send something online there. or we recommend to other archives, but there is such and such a flowger, the center is the only one in ukraine, a member of the international federation of film archives in its film fund, more than 7,000 film works, more than 60 films of feature documentaries, animated ukrainian and foreign films, on august 5, the state cinema signed an order on the reorganization of the dovzhenko center, the archives plan to hand over to the scientific center of cinematography ukraine will also restore the ukrainian animation studio, which entered the dovzhenko center in 2019, it is necessary to restore the ukrainian animation studio by returning all dorobok e-e cartoon films that were created at the studio and giving it the opportunity to develop and from another direction which archival direction the center in the official understanding of the legislation of ukraine on archives is not an archival institution dovzhenko the center will deal with museum affairs and organize cult events employees will be transferred to similar positions in the new structure this organiz

phil, let's start with the national archives security concerns. the letter says that the materials included documents, quote, top secret and special access program materials. translate that for us. what does that mean, and what kind of materials could we be talking about? >> boy, a lot of people have been saying, jake, that a lot of u.s. government material is overclassified. that is correct. but not in the circumstances of documents that you just described. let me explain the kinds of stuff you're talk about. top secret code word which i had access to would include stuff like intercepted communications from foreign governments. if you're trying to intercept, communications at an iranian nuclear facility, that's top secret code word. if that is released, the people you're intercepting will see it and they'll shut down those communications. special access program, that's a special category that you have to get signed in, literally signed in. you sign your name, to see every one of those documents. for example, if you have an infiltration into kim j

the archives says, listen, we've been as patient as we can with you. we've given you a chance to lodge your legal objections. you're not getting back to us. you just keep saying executive privilege. we don't buy your argument and we're sick of waiting. >>> i talked about republican congressman mick mulvaney. congressman, mulvaney, it's been a couple weeks since you and i talked. in this time, has anything become clearer to you about why the former president would have had 700 pages of classified material, some of it more classified than we even realized? >> no. in fact, i think things are probably just murkier now than they were the last time we talked. the volume of the documents doesn't necessarily concern me, anderson. a lot of documents, when you work at a white house, are confidential or classified at some level, at some of the lowest levels. in fact, i could show you documents, and you'd go, why is that confidential, why is that classified? but what gets my attention are these documents we understand have been labels as tssci, which is the very h

but there is a document out there like national archives. that is already public.ut doing the things they are worried about because as we have all said, giving a road map to the investigation and identifying witnesses and the likeness. that is the thing most people are most furious about. the other thing people are curious about, why this and why now? why do a search warrant and why at this point? i'm not sure we will get much insight into that. >> kayleigh: martha, over to you. >> thank you very much going through the talk top of the document and what is in here. it talks about the government conducting a criminal investigation concerning the improper removal and storage of classified information and unauthorized basis as well as the unlawful concealment or removal of government records. it says the investigation began as a result from nara as we knew and goes through as he said, a removal of 15 boxes but go back because they felt that there was still information that was being kept in certain spaces that they wanted to get at and thoughts the raid. so, we are jus

you reviewed a may 2021 email from trump lawyers to the national archive, what is the takeaway?ional archives reached out to three different lawyers for trump. here is what he said. he said that in the final days of the trump white house, he identified two dozen boxes of presidential material that had been in the residence in the white house residence, not in the oval office but in the residence. and that pat cipollone according to the white house lawyer, according to the archives lawyer, pat cipollone, the white house lawyer, wanted the material returned. they asked repeatedly for the material to be returned and a ad not been returned. they asked again in may 2021, please return to material, in fact, they were almost begging. they set besides the boxes, they noticed several other high-profile items that had not been returned. former president trump correspondence with kim jong-un, the north korean dictator. his correspondence with former president obama had not been returned, even though they discussed a return for that. it really needed all these things back. wihat that shows

so what -- you know, for the first time we are seeing what the archives is saying.gain, their concern -- and you can see this now over what you see in this letter, you can see that they were so concerned they wanted the fbi to come in and do a review, a damage assessment. you see for the first time that there was this really long process going on behind the scenes with the trump team asking for a delay, four weeks before allowing the fbi to even go in and do this classified review. so, look, it is not a good letter for team trump. >> which is a really important point. >> right. >> because, first of all, it confirms a lot of the reporting that there were hundreds of documents involved including some of the most sensitive documents there are. but why, evan? why -- this letter was basically leaked, i think we could describe it, by someone in trump's own orbit to make some kind of point. and what is that point? >> the point they're trying to make is playing that this is all about politics. gi the first line you saw from the former president's request for a special maste

there was a more anodine way that the archives said before.ory broke that there were these 15 boxes recovers from mar-a-lago, one of the house committees asked the archives how far back does this go and the archives responded that they had ongoing communications with representatives of former president trump throughout 2021. so that's acknowledging that these conversations did go back. we didn't know that they were like this with gary stern, the archives general counsel writing and trying to get access to these things throughout 2021, but really, this is a saga that went on for some time and then continued on even after they got that initial set of boxes back in january of this year. they thought it was 15, but ultimately there were many more recovered during that search and seizure two weeks ago. >> and not just that these conversations were going on, but jennifer, this new report by the post is revealing that trump's own lawyers knew that these documents should be returned. >> that's right. and the lawyers who were in the white house with hi

because that'sse the national archives is in the district of columbia. inbithey didn't send fbi agents from the washington office down there. they would have used fbi agents in south florida and they would coordinated with the u.s. attorney's office down there if they're playing it by the bookit . number two, he wouldn't have done anything without the sign a off for the attorney general of the united states . period. number three , this was well orchestrated. so this has been going on for weeks now. you keep asking your guestson what's the justification? there is no.e is justification , what's he going to say tomorrow. the attorney general. here's a i guess we've been negotiating with trump and his lawyers since february when weon found out they had this information. we were getting nowhere.er. t and then we know or we heard that some documents were being destroyed. maggie haberman, the new york times was on cnn. they've been running pictures of hers that she's going too have in the book of documents being flushed downhe the toiletd that b doesn't mean a

one whole hell of a lot. >> this whole archives thing. the presidential. it's just an excuse for them to go in there. none of this classification stuff even matters. trump said he declassified everything, that was still there in the boxes. they may have had classification markings on them and the media is using that to scare you. but if trump declassifies something and a lawyer doesn't change the little marking on it, doesn't matter. plus, he is the president. he has legal access to whatever trump administration document he wants when he leaves office. that's the deal all presidents have. he can see whatever he wants. they save every piece of physical paper and the archives keep it for the legacy, are but it's also for the presidential library or if the president wants to write a book. is the archivist not going to let trump look at his own documents? it doesn't make sense. so what's the problem here? well, according to the affidavit, there appears to be two major concerns. where the documents were stored and how they were stored. the affidavit states i be

you reviewed a may email from trump lawyers to national archives. what the takeaway?away, anderson, is in may 2021, the top lawyer for the national archives reached out to three different lawyers for trump, and here's what he said. he said that in the final days of a trump white house, they had identified two dozen boxes of presidential material that had been in the residence, in the white house residence, not in the oval office but in the residence, and that pat cipollone, according to the archives lawyer, pat cipollone, the white house lawyer, wanted the material returned. they had asked repeatedly for the material to be returned and it had not been returned. and they were asking again in may 2021 to please return the material. in fact, they were almost begging. and they said besides the boxes, they had noticed several other high pro-file items that had not been termed. president trump's correspondence with kim jong-un. his correspondence with former president obama had not been returned even though that is customary for presidents to return that. and that they real

all of these classified records that were found by the national archives when they eventually received this initial load of boxes that came in from the trump camp after he left office. >> i'm looking even on page two here. it says the fbi's investigation has established that documents bearing classification markings which appear to contain national defense information were among the materials contained in the 15 boxes stored at the premises in an unauthorized location. that is again the initial 15 boxes. further, some redactions then further, there is probable cause to believe additional documents that contained classified nda which is national defense information or that are presidential records subject to record retention requirements currently remain at the premises. there's also probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises. joyce vance, can you pick it up from there? >> well, i'm not all the way through the affidavit, andrea, but i think one of the interesting bits of information we get early on tallies up with what you've just said about thi

on january of 2022, the national archives received from the office of former president donald j trump of records. i just want to pause here for a second. remember this was a document that was written before the search warrant that was executed on august 8th. it is kind of starting to see just how much evidence the government had on hand to support probable cause that even more classified documents remained at trump's palm beach estate. here is the fbi describing what exactly was in those 15 boxes that were retrieved in january of this year. for those of you at home following for those of you following at home we're talking about paragraph 37 page 17. from may 16th through may 18th of 2022 fbi agents conducted a preliminary review of the 15 boxes provided to the national archives and identify documents with classification markings in 14 of the 15 boxes. a preliminary triage of the documents with classification markings revealed the following approximate numbers. 184 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 60 67 documents marked as confidential. 92 documents marked a

they're all supposed to be stored by the national archives and controlled by the national archives and in a way that he would have access to but not in his storage because those documents properly belong to the american people who can study this in the future, who are going to be looking back to the trump presidency and trying to decide what the heck happened over those four years, they're going to need those documents to look back on. the idea of a former president squirrelling those away is exactly why the presidential record act was created, to make sure these were maintained and it came about after watergate to make sure that richard nixon after he took some documents away, they wanted to make sure in the future that wasn't happen. so we talked earlier about how presidents have gone -- former presidents are gone through these procedures to obtain these documents when they're writing memoirs and what not under certain conditions and in limited capacities and they could have them for a certain amount of time but they had to return them to their proper owner, which is unthe law the am

1956 now it was found on board the secret archive of the nkvd it didn't rot it didn't rot, the archived in waterproof containers. so there is every reason to believe that the archive has survived, and what have i to do with it? well, you will help, raise, archive, wait. well , the four of us would have done it much faster. it was decided to lift the cargo by the forces of a research vessel hanging out in these waters and knowing the bottom situation like the back of their hand. well, firstly, firstly, this is top-secret information, that is, civilians will play the role of extras, the archive will lifting you divers from a research vessel will only help you, secondly, so as not to attract too much attention. we decided to involve a woman. that is, you will work in ordinary civilian equipment, and thirdly, bagheera well, you ask too many questions . so careful. welcome aboard. come on, i'll take it. thank you please. you are alone, and how much do you need? we were told that there would be specialists. do you have any more questions? but i wanted to ask, i think i understand you from th

identified by the national archives.y are not competent agency to recognize classified documents because a president is the ultimate authority in declassified documents. he may do so with a wave of his hand without notification to the national archives. so i think what you're really seeing here is an abuse of power by the fbi and absolutely both merrick garland, the attorney general, and the fbi director for christopher wray -- >> sean: they would have have to have signed off on this, you agree with that, correct? >> absolutely. no agent or official at the fbi is going to undertake a rate of this magnitude on a former president of the united states without going to the individuals at the very top. that's garland and christopher wray. >> sean: let's talk about two other cases, professor dershowitz and i will get your point of view on this particular raid. james comey was accused pretty much of some of the similar. if you remember the case of sandy berger. went into the national archives, he literally shoved documents down

and the archives knew he had a lot of records, that things were missing, that they needed them.nald trump's team turned over 15 box of records. the shocker for people who had previously worked in president trump's white house counsel's office was that those records included highly classified materials. when they were notified in particular deputy white house counsel patrick philbin, notified in april that the national archives found there were classified information in these documents, he was stunned. he was being asked at that time to help team trump review the records, to go up to the national archives and review what had been turned over and figure out what's -- what are in these boxes, which you would have think they would have looked before. but patrick philbin and others backed away from this request from team trump. pretty soon the fbi was knocking on their doors asking the deputy white house counsels, we need to interview you. you're now a subject witness. you may be a witness for us about what's going on in this with holding of what appear to be incredibly sensitive doc

again, this was the level of begging and desperation by the archives to try to retrieve these archivesost they wanted to try to get these things back because they were presidential records and they needed them. >> i think it's important to notice there are two things here. we're going to learn more as the affidavit comes out. i expect a lot of it is going to be redacted. >> sure. >> but there are things that are presidential records, which probably by nature are sensitive. something like that, i assume you could fedex and it's not going to put anyone at grave special harm. i never once had access to a special access program. >> i always wanted that, but no one's offered. >> we talked about it before. the code word. >> we still respect you, evan. it's okay. >> this is one of the highest levels of national security classification you can encounter. if he does, in fact, has does and hasn't been protected them in a scif, any other person would be walked into jail for that. >> that's what we're going to talk more about and learn about this affidavit and what we will see. but, again, for man

archives says we disagree. now doj gets involved, now we are into june this past summer where doj and investigators start going down to mar-a-lago, meeting with trump's teams and finally serve a subpoena which is the easy way to do things, give us the rest of the documents. they get more documents but still not all and only then, two and a half weeks ago, does the fbi go in and do the search. there's been some criticism why did they do this search, it was so sudden, such an escalation, i think if anything there's a criticism of doj why did you wait this long? >> what did we learn about the level of classification of the documents? how secret were these? >> so this letter tells us in those first 15 boxes and we are really only talking about the first 15 boxes not all this other stuff the fbi and doj found, over 100 documents with classification markings comprising more than 700 pages total. here is what they found, this is the different levels of classification. they found documents that were classified at this

. ♪ >>> the national archives has been trying to get donald trump to return documents since the end ofis presidency. i'm john berman. brianna is off. cnn chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is with us this morning. this timeline we just keep getting more data points. >> it's like every day you learn that the conversations on getting these documents back goes back further than we thought. >> it was a problem it seems from the beginning. an email from the national archives indicates that records were not returned by trump despite a determination by a top white house lawyer that they should be. a source says there were about a dozen emails and calls over the course of 2021, this is last year, including a may 2021 email from the archives to trump's lawyers that reads in part, quote, it is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the residence of the white house over the course of president trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to the archives despite a determination by pat cipollone, that's the white h

when the archives first visit mar-a-lago. those boxes, by the way, do not include with the fbi took from trump's home this month. it is a lot of boxes. the letters go on to say the documents in mar-a-lago included some of the most sensitive government secrets. materials that should only be viewed in secure government facilities. not trump's florida retreat. according to the letter, officials were so worried about the security lapses that the national archives took the rare step of sharing the documents with the intelligence community, because of fears that america's national security could be a risk. serious concerns, even some republicans are sounding alarmed. republican congressman chris stewart from utah telling politico this. i, mean if he had an actual special access program, do you know how extraordinarily sensitive that is? that is very very sensitive. if they were actually at residents, that would be a problem. every race is out front live in washington for us tonight. evan, how important is this letter to the archive

and there are hundreds of other evidences that are now kept in archives and museums.t valuable treasures of the nation were obtained by historians to exclusively show our inni gurinenko from the time of kyiv during the cossack rus' and until the new millennium, the multi-million ukrainian people fought victoriously and painfully lost their statehood, their lands were dominated by foreigners for centuries . they twisted it to undermine our legitimacy, what they say, ukrainians did not fight for their state, ukraine, the ukrainian state arose in the same place as a result of the accident of the collapse of the soviet union, a copy of the treaty of zboriv during the khmelnytskyi period is shown to the state archive as evidence, so at the international level, the polish king recognized the rights and borders of the ukrainian state at that time, this is a copy of the document, the original of which is kept in the polish archives, which is the beginning of the ukrainian state, the zaporozhian army covered the territory of three voivodeships kyiv, bratslav and chernihiv stat

that's why the archives expect to get it. but this is no surprise because we know from maggie haberman's reporting as well that we saw documents flushed down the toilet. they did not observe the presidential records act at all. to me this is likely criminal what has happened at mar-a-lago and you have to wonder why was he hiding these documents, even when they were requested. but you also have to wonder with someone who you cannot trust like donald trump, what else is there? what else is he hiding? what else is he doing? what else did he flush down the toilet? >> we don't know if it's nuclear secrets, we don't know the exact nature of what the documents are -- >> reportedly. >> is there a limit to what a president can declassify? are some documents so sensitive that if a president did have a standing order to declassify everything going to mar-a-lago, which is disputed by about every former administration official we've been talking to, would there be exception to that? >> anderson, you're right on point. there are statutes t

could these new revelations from the national archives have any impact on the? >> i think that it's likely, i mean all of this is joined up an interesting way. and even the request to judge tennant, to appoint a special master to review this, will i think that he considered in light of what's just one heart is considering in terms of redacting particular information from that affidavit. but i think what we are likely to see, and what one hard as made very clear in some of his own words from the bench is that there is really sensitive information here. information about individuals in the field, intelligence operatives who might be made more public. the fbi agents whose names and identities could be made public. and i think all of, this together and all of the information that has already been unsecure may well council in favor of more redactions rather than less. >> melissa murray, jill wine-banks, philip rucker, thank you all for getting us started. coming, up we now know who will run up against ron descendants and michael rubio. we are live in both florida and