burke argues principles don't work that way in politics. we can never know them quite that supplies siltly, and the best way to know them is through the experience of political life. that is society as it develops in a sense rubs up against these principles and so takes on their shape, and so when you arrive at a question of principle and politics, one good way to answer that question is to think, what way of proceeding would be most like our best selves? rather than saying, what way of proceeding is demanded by a form laic application of this or that principle? he thinks it's never that. the principles are never that reliable. politics isn't math and it's notifies seconds. it's always a way of society finding the best way to be more like best self, and for them that's basically the state political challenge. >> host: you geoff power to the idea that lincoln was an acolyte of natural rights and embraced both burke and paine. what's your response in that spirit to the famous claim of louie hart of harvard who wrote in his book "the liberal t

the stevens camp argued in the development of the tea society. so, working on his premises, stevens and his allies argue that the confederate administration should make an overt policy of building up in strengthening the northern copperheads. and that they should do so by making frequent peace proposals to the north. those proposals, stevens reckoned, would expose to the war worry northern public lincolns. unwillingness to treat the south. and this would show that he is unwilling to negotiate. this would thus strengthen the hand of the northern democrats who, presumably, were willing to negotiate for peace. as a corollary, the piece faction among the confederate argue that the confederacy should about a defense of military posture during the campaign season, and refrain from offense of fighting, less day prompt the northerners to close ranks. these confederate copperheads, those rooting ardently for northern democrat victory in the war, and working for it, had a brief moment in august __ the nominating convention for the party called for immediat

i would argue that it was problematic from the trujillo perspective. one of the best ways to maintain power, one of the best ways to create a state... you know, the write olaf stapledon says the nation is usually just a hate club, a super hate club. >> hinojosa: because you've got a border around yourselves. >> yeah, and the best way to create borders is by hating your neighbor. you know, and i think that there was more to that than this. i mean, a border as porous and as fluid as the one we found between the dominican republic and haitia before the genocide of 1937, i think trujillo's idea was twofold. a, he would bolster up the very fragile, atomized dominican nation, and b, he would, through a racial genocide, not only terrorize the haitian community but effectively terrorize the dominican community. i mean, that's a trauma. >> hinojosa: but even today, if you are... because... so people can kind of understand right now, in the dominican republic, the haitians are the cheapest labor there. they're the undocumented immigrants. and even today, if a ha

but i would argue most people in santo domingo don't know about it either. >> hinojosa: the fact that in 1965 the united states invaded, you think right now still domincan's don't... >> well, i mean, i would argue that that's itself... i mean, you know, the person who gets invaded always remembers longer. but, i mean, how many dominicans remember that, you know, the dominican republic was almost annexed by the united states? i mean, you walk around the street and ask the average dominican, and say, "when was the american... first american occupation?" you know, i think that history in the new world has a way of eluding even the people who were victimized by it. and, you know, one of the things that happens when you're a storyteller is that you face every day the fact that stories, unless they're powerfully told, and the people who are keeping these stories alive have a lot invested in them, stories have a way of fading. they're ephemeral, just like we are. i mean, that's why we are so connected to our stories. >> hinojosa: one of the things, though, that you bring out in this book is

we do not have that in our argue culture and polarized politics. am at a loss frankly, to no since i am charged these days with just talking about the world's problems, not fixing them, i don't know and don't have an answer. the conversation has to start. that is why i wrote the book. >> you make the assessment we we will not have another great president. you are counting on that the aliens are not going to invade or there won't be another great war and the crisis will not present itself. do we deserve to have a great pres.? given all you have just said, do they deserve it? >> that gets into the issue of making moral judgments. i love this country. i find it remarkable. the answer is, yes, because with a great president deserve sure. we could do so much better and be so much smarter and more effective in the way we deal with the rest of the world. i am simply arguing that in one line, line greatness in the presidency is too rare to be relevant today and too dangerous to be desirable. in our political political system, you want a great president, fi

i argued it was clearly intentional and nobody denied that.we tried to figure out how to publish it quickly so at least we could say even if lisp related it was published prior to the election we posted it sunday night before the election. >> host: in many ways may be too little too late because a lot of this had article on non-. >> guest: my main concern at some point for much of my career i thought it would be the rest of my career and i really did have cbs's protection in mind. i had been there and i knew we would have to show assumes that came to our attention we took the proper actions to rectify it. that is what was important to me. it must be published quickly and before the election because i thought if the president wins and it comes out afterwards which surely it would because people were talking about it inside cbs. it would look as though we affected the outcome of election are tried. we published it before it would be harder to say we have had some sort of an outcome on an important issue. we did get it published and i felt good t

some began to argue that lincoln's election might indeed be preferable. when the writing was on the wall, many began to argue that lincoln's election might indeed be preferable. after all this last argument ran, lincoln, a the new devil southerner's brew. misdemeanor college's life, by contrast, might breathe new life into the northern war effort and splinter the south if cred dusthe credudlous southerners. any other result should be disastrous to us. we need his folly and fanaticism for another term. his mad pursuit of his peculiar ideas. lincoln's re-election will make us realize that we must make a choice between perpetual resistance if necessary and a condition of surfdom. as the election approached, both camps trafficked in images of republican electoral fraud to explain why lincoln would win. confederate newspapers claimed that democratic meetings notice north were being disrupted by abolitionist mobs, that voters were being indimtimidated, that the republican press was whipping up war fer vor and that lincoln himself would manipulate the soldiers'

i'm not going to argue with that. but here's the thing.you had been a typical white person walking through the woods of indiana and you ran across this problem kid -- rawboned kid, he was well over six feet his hair was not home, not wearing shoes, working manual labor. you would not look at that guy and say there goes a future president if i ever saw one. on the right is a drawing from harper's weekly from about the same time of a stereotypical version of what a backwoods hillbilly looked like living on the edges of the american frontier. if i juxtapose those two images -- lincoln who, guys, has no money. no education. lincoln is scared to death of being perceived like that. why would need be, man -- why wouldn't he be, man? he is ambitious. but a culture that things in racial terms would not look at that and see norman rockwell. the earliest form i found was in a novel in 1818. guys, that is race just like black is race. you can't understand one without understanding the other. the weight whiteness is understood in this time is there are

>> as a society, i would argue we have not done as much as we could have. you have had less innovations in energy and biotechnology, and not as many as we would like, transportation, it is not moving any faster. >> one thing you would learn from entrepreneurs is don't copy mark zuckerberg and bill gates, why not? >> the next mark zuckerberg won't be starting a social networking site. the next bill gates won't be starting an operating system, and so in some sense you cannot copy them because they did not copy somebody else. >> you also suggest that they come up with one very important truth that very few people agree with you on. why is finding something nobody agrees with you on the best way to get somebody to believe any in you? >> i think great companies have a sense of mission. they have a sense of where a good investor has a patent and has good technology, and that is the best kind of investment to have. >> you say google is a monopoly? >> it is. they do not talk about the 98% of revenue that comes from search, which is where they have a monopoly. they

while americans stewed in gas lines congress argued over what to do with 150 million acres of alaskanand. which would we choose? wilderness or mineral development? in 1939, one american in six was unemployed. by 1942, we were fighting a great war and living better than we had in years. how did we increase production of both guns and butter during world war ii? in 1978, a troubled textile industry was told to spend $2 billion combating brown-lung disease. by 1980, the supreme court was asked to choose between saving lives or jobs and profits. how much is a life worth? wilderness or minerals? guns or butter? jobs or safety? we always face choices. resources and scarcity. what's economics all about? with the help of economic analyst richard gill we'll examine that question on economics usa. i'm david schoumacher. what's economics all about? there have always been theoretical answers to that question but reality complicates the most elegant theories. economics usa is about theory and reality in 20th-century amica, and how people and events have shaped economic decisions that affect our li

the second argue. he makes possibly again for almost 20 years is only the federal government can do this. and therefore state sovereignty has to be subordinated to federal power in order for this to happen. now, resolving this moral contradiction is not something that happens in his life, but it is the third component of power that adams thinks the united states needs before it can back a power bit of actually influenced the rest of the world. the three different components of national power, physical security national development and morality, i believe are linked are prioritized, and they're sequenced, and they go at a far far way in explaining not only the different staged of adams' career but the evolving strategy of the united states and also the link between the founding fathers and lincoln. so here's the million dollar question for historians. who cares? who what? interesting story from the 19th century. adams is most famous words, america goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. those

abigail don't argue with abigail the matter what you do. she reminds them the townspeople very strangely let's remember what the american revolution is about. and shames them into integrating the school. whether or not that translates directly to john quincy adams, who knows? it is interesting to note that john quincy adams private is making a lot of observations about slavery. publicly he is much more equivocal it is because he's a politician. while he has a lot of private thoughts about this if you are a politician seeking to be elected not to massachusetts but for the entire country and slavery is legal you will temper your thoughts or you won't be elected. it's very interesting, in his inaugural address, there's only one party, i said that in his inaugural address the main buzzword in it is monroe, munro, munro, and more munro. i'm a legacy president everything he did i will do and i will be, he uses the term a strict construction list, which is a bit of a nod nod wink wink i'm not challenging slavery. its first annual address, saving t

i argue differently in this book.look at how he feels about how it's gone about climate change, how is gone on immigration. he is going to leave office with neither problem fully solved. but now he wants to figure at how to make progress on the only way he knows how to do it alone. post congratulations. the book is "the stranger: barack obama in the white house." do "politico." as bill you have not read your own book. whistles while bags and washington handshakes. what are we doing with that quiet >> guest: well, this is our chance to decode and explain how politicians, people in washington and politicians at all levels from city councils to state houses talk. we thought it was interesting to capture some of the unique phrases and expressions that people in politics lobbyists, staffers, even us in the media say. we tried to make it funny. we tried to make it understandable to the average person who might be a little interested in politics, but it may be confused by it. >> host: what is one of your theory that phrase i

i think the law enforcement's argue.can you make a case for the law enforcement argument? one thing that they're trying to claim is that if bad guys want to come get the police which in this new world we're in they sometimes do, then you're telling them where we are and that might endanger our officers officers and that's the last thing anybody wants. >> that's correct. their argue wouldn't be stronger if this app exposed undercover officers because clearly that would really compromise their safety. but they do have an argument in the sense this makes it easier for criminals to commit crimes if they know where officers in they can factor in response times. so i think they have an argument but it's weak compared to what waze has to argue. >> right on. thank you. >>> the worst offense on the long island expressway is jumping over the divider. that's a $300 fine and they have cops in noncop car vehicles so they'll get you for that. that gets them lot of money. one guy let me not pay once, which i appreciated. because i was

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buck would argue or mark merced would argue, it withstood three different storms over the past seven days, didn't fall, not one branch fell. i would like to hear mr. buck tonight provide some evidence that there was property damage or human injury from this tree. he can want provide any reports pause there are none. the tree is healthy, he claims that there's decay in the tree. there's very little decay in the tree. he'll probably show you pictures that there is, but there isn't. the argument is nonsensical. the owners of park merced claim they're going to replace this tree, along with another one that we don't have a picture here with a redwood tree and as you know, redwood trees can grow several hundred feet has maintained they dend to replace every tree that they remove and we have evidence to the contrary that they have not been doing this. i was here a year ago arguing on behalf of the trees parkwood way. they never came up with a plan to replace those 200 dree trees that they cross cutted so please don't mrooef believe anything that is put forward by park merced or its contract

i would argue that these militants that subscribe to al qaeda ideology, whether it's i.s.i.s. or al qaeda in yemen or the central, it is trying to hijack islamic identity. it is trying to polarize western societies, to bring about a clash of civilizations - us versus them. in fact, regardless of what the muslim community can and will do much the militants are revolting against fathers and mothers, not just societies that welcomed them into its own ranks. >> some a few turn to violence. there is concern over the release of the cartoon mocking prophet muhammad - you can argue whether it's mocking him or not, but the egypt top authority warns it will exacerbate tensions and observe ents muslims circulating online against the staff of "charlie hebdo". there are muslims who will not turn to violence, but are not speaking out strongly against it. is there some danger that there could be a moem um growing as we have seen attacks in france, australia, canada? >> you are raising an important point. what i call the clash of ideologists. it's not just about foreign policies. what you hav

but i think arguing that the country should not turn its back on the social sciences humanities, and arts is very important. i'm proud to been one of the authors of the report from the american academy of arts and sciences called "heart of the matter" that was released a couple of years ago. and that argues that the broad range of discipline needs to be pursued, no matter what we talk about, whether we're talking economic competitiveness whether we are talking about placement for students at whatever level. we had to think broadly and not just about the s.t.e.m. disciplines. and this is a s.t.e.m. guy talking to you. >> in several interviews since you announced you becoming to the smithsonian you set your -- said your greatest regret at cornell has been about the causes of affordability of tuition there. you've also been a remarkable fund raiser. fiscal year 2014-$732 million came in. of which though, only $9 million -- $39 million has been earmarked specifically for student aid. is that the right balance, if it's a real problem facing cornell? >> a terrific question the don't you li

and i'm trying to argue for the opposite point of view. >> but the problems, some would argue, that thereligion be dominant in a secular society? >> i mean, we have to be very clear about that. i mean one of the great achievements of the enlightenment in europe and the united states is the separation of church and state. and there can be no negotiation about these principles. that's a foundation of our society. >> this is "talk to al jazeera." we'll have more in a minute. protests in mexico often a somber day for the parents of those missing students. and survival story how technology and quick thinking saved a pilot's life. all that and a lot more coming up right after "talk to al jazeera." ♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "talk to al jazeera." i'm antonio mora. my guest flemming rose who published the controversial cartoons of the prophet muhammed in 2005. >> what would you say to the enormous majority of muslims who repudiated the paris attack who said it was a horror but say that they can't stand with charlie, that freedom of speech has to come with responsibilities? >> i would quote aryeh ne

washington has almost changed him in more ways you could argue. the legacy part of it, i covered several two-term presidents before and you usually get to the eighth year before they're talking about the bow that's supposed to go around their doctrine or issues or in this case the president argued and rightly so, he wanted to spend some time talking about his legacy on the economy, what the economy was doing and the markers that things are let's turn the page. >> i had some conversations with democrats this week who privately marveled at the fact that incoming equality was something that started with them. it started with sort of the elizabeth warren wing of the party and has been seized upon by the white house, by hillary clinton to some extent. getting back to your question about 2016 candidates, republicans are now talking about incoming equality as well. even if they lost the elections a lot of democrats at least on the hill believe they're winning the argument because they have now forced both parties to concede that there's been economic gro

we used to hunt together a lot to the argue passage in there about that. i think the most fun i had was actually living it. writing at all that this kind of hard work and researching it is hard drudgery. writing it was an experience. but i have been living a part of one of the biggest stories i will ever know. so that was the most fun. i wanted to answer your question, since you posted us this evening. you had a couple of them. one of them was will texas remain texas right? i deal with that in the back of the book. and the reason i do is because it's important to all of us who wind up loving the place, whether you are from it or you're a new arrival, you don't want it to change. you remember it as it was for a lease on the essential parts tremendous thing. i think that a lot of good things will come from change. people overlook the fact that the hispanic population is substantially younger than the anglo population. that means that they've years and decades of reductive economic activity and work ahead of them. i think it's a wonderful thing. you think abo

i will not argue with that. here's the thing.f you had been a typical white person walking through the woods of indiana, and you ran across this raw bone kid. lincoln was well over 6 feet. his close do not quite fit. his hair was not combed. he probably wasn't wearing shoes. he's working in manual labor. you would not look at that guy and think, cool, there goes the future president. white trash. on the right is a drawing from about the same time period of a stereotypical version of what a backwoods hillbilly look like living on the american frontier. i juxtapose those two images because lincoln __ a guy with no money and no education __ he is scared to death of being perceived like that. why wouldn't he be? he wanted to make something out of himself, and yet, the instinctive reaction of a culture that things in racial terms would look at this young man and they would not think norman rockwell, they would see that stereotype. there's already this white trash story about the guy. that is race just like how black is race. you canno

opponents have long argued again the use of fracking. that's when water and chemicals are injected at high pressure to break up rock formations. california resources simply says the project is no longer practical. >>> the white house's top female tech aide is calling out hollywood for ignoring the role of women during the rise of silicon valley. megan smith is the white house's chief technology officer. the first woman to hold the position. she previously served as vp for google's experimental tech division. today at a tech policy conference in washington smith specifically pointed to the absence of women in the movie "jobs," about the late apple co-founder. in the early days, smith said there were numerous women, but they're missing in the film. she says it's a common problem in movies about the tech industry. smith told the audience when women and minorities don't see themselves represented on screen, it makes it harder to see themselves in the tech industry. >>> it's certainly hard to ignore the rise of women in comedy. today, four wo

although, the greeks would argue they've been punished enough. there's no sign from any movement at all from germany at this point in time. >> meanwhile in new delhi, barack obama was an honored guest at india's republic day parade. including an important agreement on civilian nuclear energy. for more we are joined from cambridge massachusetts, by nicholas burns. led negotiations on the u.s. india civil nuclear agreement. he currently serves as the faculty chair for the middle east, and asia. ambassador, good to have you with us, especially on this snowy day. let's start with greece. dire figures, 50% youth unemployment. 25% unemployment overall, an economy clearly still on the ropes. and now on this vote it seems to reflect the anger of the are geek people. they have elected a left wing party, likes of which europe hasn't seen in a long time. how different is this new governing party? >> it is quite a dramatic moment in modern greek history. this is a decisive victory by the syriza party. obviously, the greeks have gone through a terrible experi

give you that. >> i would argue that he is.just a brother from atlanta that got swept up in history was able to step in to that greatness. truly he was a human being that's what we try to do. >> jon: you talk about when it starts out where he's stepping on to the stage of the nobel ceremony and uniform courtable with the trappings of this new found and worried, how it will make him appear. you never sort of think of that aspect of him in the third person going, i represent this, i can no longer be this. >> that's right. >> jon: he came to see himself as a mythological creature, a figure as well. >> he knew what he meant to people. on both sides of it. for folks that were not steep in the culture of people 6 color it was safety for him. some of the saw dangerous but not as dangerous as malcolm x. >> jon: how that's portrayed with lyndon johnson. if we don't let dr. king -- >> look for option. it's an interesting ideas in there. i would invite people not to -- based on the challenges that a few people who are supposed to be the c

critics say this will encourage more people to come legally but the state argues it will make roads and highways safer. >> we want to make sure everyone who's driving on our roads and highways in the state of california is licensed. >> it's always a risk and you're invading privacy because you can get your car towed and it's a lot of things could happen without a driver's license. >> reporter: every car registered will also need to be insured. now the dmv expects 1.4 million undocumented immigrants over the next few years with this new law. a lot of work for the employees behind the county and over the next few years. the dmv hired 1,000 new employees. kpix 5. >> it was a frigid friday morning for a lot of people around the bay area today. cars parking lots in the north bay were frosted over. the national weather service issued a freeze warning for several areas around the bay and we saw temperatures dip below 30 in nevada. >> i had water all over the front of my windshield and we had do it a couple times because it was so cold. >> it was so cold all my plants froze. >> people told us t

they argued that it would take the movement and i think that is part of what inspired this book.it's not just going to be about individual women making it into the corporate boardroom or individual women moving into politics. it's going to take a movement. they also argued that it would take a diverse and inclusive movement and so many of our panels speakers have made that clear. most importantly or equally important is they argued that the women's movement showed and will be about more than sex equality. it's about sex equality but it also has to be about other issues. they look to the labor movement at that moment in time and to the civil rights movement because those were the two huge progressive movements that were making massive changes. they engaged with those movements. they also push for women's rights. one reviewer has said that this was a group of women that were not feminist. well let me just go on record to say they were. they introduced the equal pay act in 1945. they reintroduce it every year and tele passed in 1963. they pushed president kennedy to establish the pr

others argue that jews are responsible for world war i. everything bad is blamed on the jews, even though there was no jewish country, and none of the leaders -- franz ferdinand was not jewish. on and on. you begin to argue the jews stood behind all of these people, and argument very much taken from the protocols of zion. then we see the idea connected to the red scare of the time. what are they really worried about? and here are of course it was easier to give details. what are they worried about? yes? >> the communists are going to overthrow america. >> good. exactly. the fear of bolshevism, as he puts it. the communists are taking over in russia. now were there jewish communists? no question about it. undoubtedly, trotsky, of course was quite famous. lenin, we now know, although it was hidden by the communists, he had significant jewish roots, as the new book shows. that did not mean all jews were communists. a certain number of communists are jews does not mean all jews are communists. nevertheless, for the reader of "the dearborn inde

they have argued that foreign women demand our sympathy but also saving action. amy cap lynn has called this saving impulse, imperial domesticity. in her study of antebellum home manuels, female writers focused on problems besetting women and children and offered domestic life to savages in both the u.s. and abroad. today would you like to consider the operations of impeer dommistic isity in times of war. mrs. bush's remarks interest me not only as a statement of domestic organization but as an example of war time rhetoric. she offered her address as they initiated a bombing campaign in afghanistan and followed it with the ground invasion that drove the taliban from power. the u.s. was in war with a country populated by women americans longed so save. because women and children are considered nonkpat ants support hes and points have argued for protecting them from harm. at the same time, the discourse of imperial dommist isity said women and child require elimination from their cultures. religious leaders who invest in both warfare and the nation's regard for wom

arguing past eemp other on cable shows. the constant fund raising. looking over your shoulder to how the base will react to every decision. imagine if we broke out of these tired old patterns. imagine if we did something different. machine

he argued that kind of power balancing that might've occurred had become impossible. one of the states furthermore might actually conquer the other and therefore the world. the only two candidates for this world leadership for the soviet union and united states. the ussr was the representative of communism his victory would reduce all societies to the status of a subject colony in the west. the resistance could only be made by non-communist world federation london domination by the united states. that would retain for itself the monopoly control of atomic weapons. another words they would have to be an american world empire the one on the programs which left the powers would retain a considerable measure of internal autonomy dignity and individual citizens would retain their liberty. in 1946 berner proposed three practical measures to achieve these things. first, the u.s. should not a friendly takeover of britain and its empire by offering full constitution union of the english-speaking countries. second there should be strong american encouragement of the european fe

he is arguing for a more conservative nominee; what do you think?first of all, remember more people turned out in 2012 and voted republican than in 2008 which was 60 million and there are a million more people who voted republican. romney gets 107 of what mccain gets and barak obama got 97 percent of what he had in 2008. in politics it is easy tore define yourself by saying what you are not. it is a lot harder to define by saying what you are. and more powerful to define yourself by what you are. in 2012, winner is articulating a compelling vision of who they are and opposed to defining who they are. look in 1980, you think ronald reagan won by saying i am not george. bush? no, he had a compelling vision and drew like a maginent people in his camp. and the same thing is true in 2012. marco rubio on the second tier on the list that 59 percent that would go for mitt romney candidacy and 50 percent who think that jeb bush would run, that is all because of name recognition and over the course of a longer campaign and obviously marco rubio expressed abou

arguing asked each other on