election in arizona. if he would tell us about that call i and whether the former president or mr. juliani raised allegations of election fraud. thank you. i my wife and i had returned from attending our church meetings. it was on a sunday and we were still in the driveway and i had received a call from a colleague telling me that the white house was trying to get in touch with her. and i. and that she said, please, if you get a call, let's try to take this together. immediately. i saw that the white house on my bluetooth was calling and i took the call and was asked by the i would presume the operator at the white house. if i would hold for the president, which i did, and he, mister juliani, came on 1st and niceties. then mr. trump, president trump, then president trump came on and we initiated a conversation. and during that conversation, did i, you will ask mr. john juliani, for proof of these allegations of fraud that he was making on multiple occasions. yes. and when you asked him for, for evidence o

the arizona house of representatives. mr. bowers was elected to the state legislature in 1993. he served as speaker since 2019. welcome, speaker bowers. brad raffensperger is the 29th secretary of state of georgia serving in the role since 2019. as an elected official and a republican, secretary brad raffensperger is responsible for supervising elections in georgia and maintaining the states public records. welcome mister secretary. gabriel sterling is a chief operating officer in the georgia office. mr. sterling was the statewide implementation manager for the 2020 election in georgia, responsible for leading the secretary of state's response to the covid pandemic and rolling out modernized voting equipment. i will swear in our witnesses. witnesses will please stand and raise the right hand do you swear upon the penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god? thank you, please be seated. let the record reflect that the witnesses answere

arizona has been doing that for about 20 years.hey've put away something like a year and a half worth of their total allocation. that doesn't just mean that arizona has a year and a half of water any time it wants to pass the bank. have to stretch that out and make it as long as possible. if you could give me another second and get nerdy and explain, the banking or recharge process can be done different ways but a big one is to basically take colorado river water, put it into these large pools, think of a football field full of water, and that water filters down through sand and gravel back into aquifers. the state is able to monitor and aquifer, see what level they are at. it effectively becomes groundwater that can be tapped at a later point in time when users need that water. host: let's hear from virginia -- we will get to you in a minute. frank in jacksonville, florida. caller: good morning. i was just thinking you say you got the best natural gas in the country. natural gas desalination, gas is natural gas, trying to desalina

of arizona house of representatives.ower was first elected to the state legislature in 1993 and served as speaker since 2019. welcome, mr. bowers. brad raffensperger, he is responsible for supervising elections in georgia and maintaining the state's public records. welcome, mr. secretary. gabriel sterling is a chief operating officer in the georgia secretary of state's office. mr. sterling was the statewide voting systems implementation manager for the 2020 election in georgia, responsible for leading the secretary of state's response to the covid pandemic and rolling out modernized voting equipment. i will swear in our witnesses. witnesses will please stand and raise their right hand. >> do you swear or affirm on the penalty of perjury the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god? thank you, please be seated. let the record reflect the witnesses answered in the affirmative. speaker bowers, thank you for being with us today. you are the speaker of the arizon

when georgia said no, he went to arizona. when arizona said no, he went to michigan.is just continuing. but the violence and the threats being part of it makes it all the worse. you see behavior today, today from republicans threatening people. >> yeah. more to discuss with all of you a little later on. please stick around. >>> coming up next, the pressure campaign was only the start. how election officials and workers told the committee they were targeted for harassment with death threats and more. a former trump white house official joins me with his own experiences after standing up for the truth. that's next. only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. if anyone objects to this marriage... (emu squawks) kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >>> we learned from the republican election officials who testified today and from that former georgia election worker that the efforts to overturn the election came alongside a campaign of fear tactic

arizona has done everything that arizona has been asked and we will continue to step up here but we need partners and long-term commitments from the federal government because this is a basin wide problem not just an arizona problem. we lay the groundwork for increasing conservation and augmentation in the bipartisan infrastructure bill and we fully funded programs like the drought contingency plan and the 500 plus plan to keep more water in lake mead. commissioner, does california where the upper basin have a plan for how it would utilize resources under the drought contingency plan? >> those are conversations that are ongoing including the upper basin states in california. >> so you don't know if they currently have a plan? >> there is a drought relief operations act the upper basin has, but could there be more system demand and management, yes. >> will the administration be pushing mexico to conserve more colorado river water? >> that is a conversation we are having with our partners in mexico. they are fully aware we have briefed them in the way we are breathing you on what we are se

>> i do. >> what do you remember happening when arizona was called? >> there was surprise at the call. >> who was surprised? >> most everyone in the room. >> were you being one of them? >> yes. did that shift the atmosphere or the attitude in the white house? >> completely. >> how so? can you describe that? >> because fox news was the first one to go out there and say that. >> was there anger at fox news making the call than maybe the campaign lost arizona? >> all the above. >> anger and disappointment? >> disappointment with fox and concern that maybe our data or our numbers weren't accurate. >> were you in the white house residence past midnight or early morning hours of november 4? >> yes. went beyond midnight, yes. >> do you remember rudy giuliani being at the white house on election night and early hours the next morning? >> i do. >> what do you remember about when he came? >> he was -- i had heard that he was upstairs in the reception area and he was looking to talk to the president and was oughted instead that he come talk to several of us down

bowers in arizona.n johnson's aide trying to get his boss to physically give fake elector certificates to then vice president mike pence and an aide saying no, you do not give that to him. some new pieces of information. let's bring in ali vitale. do you have anything from inside the room where mr. bowers was visibly, audibly emotional, seeking to compose himself before talking again, specifically when it came to his faith and his faith in the constitution and how it effected his family on a personal level. ali? >> reporter: those were the two prongs of the hearing. there was both the direct threat of violence and threats against the election officials, including rusty bowers detailed at length, not just in arizona but places like michigan and pennsylvania and georgia, things that we knew about at the time but hearing people at the center of them talk about how their kids were home alone, protesters were outside threatening them, they had to disconnect their phone lines, that was one key piece. then of

biden and trump in arizona.g the reaudit after january 6th. and one of the things they did was they actually were trying to see whether there were bamboo on the ballots, because the allegation was 40,000 ballots somehow secretly were shipped in from asia and would have bamboo on the ballot. >> this is the cyber ninja audit which didn't amount to anything. >> again, there was no there, there. >>> coming up, we'll set the stage for the testimony by georgia election officials. we'll be joined by republican jeff dunkin'. stay here for january 6th coverage of the hearing. family... for the wireless savings. (ted) it seemed like t the responsibe thing to do. (janane) and then, just yesterday, my sister told me about visibible. (sister) yeah, get unlimited data for as low as $ $25 a month. no family needed. (vo) family plan savings without the family. get visible. single-line wireless with unlimited data for as low as $25 a month. it's time to get outdoorsy. it's hot! and wayfair has got just what you need. we need a r

when georgia said no, he went to arizona. when arizona said no, he went to michigan.uing. but the violence and the threats being part of it makes it all the worse. because that continues. you see behavior today, today from republicans threatening people. >> yeah. more to discuss with all of you a little later on. please stick around. >>> coming up next, the pressure campaign was only the start. how election officials and workers told the committee they were targeted for harassment with death threats and more. a former trump white house official joins me with his own experiences after standing up for the truth. that's next. dad, when is the fu? um, oh wow. um, the future is, uh, what's ahead of us. i don't get it. yeah. maybe this will help. so now we're in the present. and now... we're in the future. the all-electric chevy bolt euv with available super cruise™ for hands-free driving. - dad. - yeah? do fish get thirsty? eh. find new answers. find new roads. chevrolet. finding the perfect project manager isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found him. he's in adelaide between

and the arizona, and he said no.ald trump himself, we all heard it, even if you didn't believe anything anyone said today, and i believe you, you can believe everywhere they said. but we heard him say himself. looking for those votes saying you've got to be able to find those votes. the 11, 000, 780 votes. interesting, he picked that number. we know what he was up to. it was a conspiracy, and yet people working with him to try to flip the election illegally. and i think one of the things we know is that there is a lot going on leading up to january six, and as we now know, there is a lot happening after january six. it didn't begin their, it didn't and there. january six. it did>> as chair of the rules committee, you are heavily involved in that transition of power especially inauguration day on january six, and we learned today that senate ron johnson tried to hand a list of fake electors, some fake electors to mike pence on january 6th. he denied it, saying that his chief of staff reached out to pence's staff, but

se reunieron en arizona para dar inicio a esta reunión >> desde arizona hasta sinaloa más de 300 agentesrizona. >> estas reuniones son críticas de importantes para ambas naciones. >> son tres días donde autoridades de distintos niveles de méxico y estados unidos se reunirán para ampliar capacitaciones robos, desapariciones y tráfico ilícito >> es muy importante esa colaboración. conocerse, hablar sobre estos temas que son muy importantes para asegurar nuestras comunidades. >> si bien el intercambio de información y las capacitaciones tendría un impacto en todo el país en estados fronterizos como sonora y arizona hay colaboración dicen las autoridades. >> hay este intercambio de información por así decirlo y permite avanzar temas que tienen que ver con temas de delincuencia como hemos estado hablando pero con otros temas que tienen que ver con nuevos delitos como todos los temas cibernéticos. >> la presencia y operatividad en la región fronteriza es cada vez más evidente. >> así es como estados unidos es un cliente de drogas, en méxico por parte de la delincuencia se convierte en cliente.

in effect, does arizona have two laws on abortion >> arizona does not have two laws on abortion it has one law that prohibits abortion except to save the life of the mother it's not confusing >> reporter: but a county judge blocked that ban in 1973 leaving some to wonder where that law stands. and now the confusion expanding to emergency contraception. a missouri health system stopped providing emergency contraception after that state banned abortion st. luke's healt system concerned its clinicians could be in legal jeopardy tonight it reversed course, providing the pills again but saying the ambiguity of the law continues to cause grave concern. >> so, anne, when do we see some clarity here >> that's the big question, lester we asked that question to the arizona attorney general's office and it told me it is preparing a legal brief to be filed in federal court about the state's laws next week. perhaps that will give us some answers. also in kentucky we could get a ruling as soon as tomorrow on whether or not there will be a temporary hold on that state's trigger law. it is very confus

constitution and the laws of the state of arizona. it would violate that oath, the basic principles of government and the rule of flaw we attempt to nullify the people's vote based oneo unsupported theoriesf fraud. arizona voters choose who win. 40 years ago next month, president ronald reagan remindeds that you while the orderly transfer of authority is aor commonplace occurrence for americans, cequote, in the eyes many in the world, this every four year ceremony we accept as normal is nothing less than a miracle. he concludes, quote, now, americans are being reminded once again never toan take for granted what president reagan correctly skrish described as the continuity which is the bulwar of our government. >> december 4, 2020. morebe than a month before the january 6thnt attack. the republican house speaker in arizona saying i wanted trump to win, i voted for the trump, but soungd the alarm,or telling the public, what the trump campaign was asking for behind closed doors was blatantly illegal. he went to the public. he said this

joining us tonight a candidate for governor in arizona, karen taylor robson joins us from arizona.your campaign. >> thank you, bret. thank you for having me. >> bret: well, you are in a crowded field out there. you've got yourself an arizona business leader, the founder of the arizona strategies premier land use strategy firm in phoenix. you got carrie lake, former phoenix television news journalist endorsed by former president trump. matt sammon, he was a former representative from arizona and scott kneely. all running for in this primary. what sets you apart? >> what sets me apart track record of results working in the private sector, building teams, leading teams, managing budgets and bringing private sector experience to the table. i will bring all of that to the table and i will be ready to lead arizona day one. >> bret: i know arizona, obviously immigration and the border situation is a major issue. you just recently have traveled to the border. what's the solution there from a state level and what could you see? >> i have been there several times every time i learn something

constitution, and the laws of the state of arizona. it would violate that oath, the basic principles of republican government, and the rule of law, if we attempt to nullify the peoples vote based on unsupported theories of fraud. arizona voters choose who wins, and our system requires that their choice to be respected. you have concludes with this, 40 years ago, next month, ronald reagan reminded us that while the orderly transfer of authority is a commonplace occurrence for americans, quote, in the eyes of many in the world, this every four years ceremony except as normal, is nothing less than a miracle. rusty powers concludes, quote, and how americans are being reminded once again never to take for granted, what president reagan correctly described as the continuity, which is the bulwark of our republic. again, look at the date on that, december 4th, 2020. that's more than a month before the january 6th attack, the republican house speaker in arizona, saying, yeah, i wanted trump to win. i voted for trump. but here he is, sounding th

we begin with arizona house speaker rusty bowers, a lifelong republican who supported arizona's votersuppression laws, voted for trump, and even said he would vote for him again. bowers testified about how he denied trump's request to overturn his loss in arizona by 10,457 votes by potentially removing joe biden's electors in the state. bowers was questioned by january 6 committee member congressmember adam schiff, democrat of california. >> he received a phone call from president trump and rudy giuliani in which they discussed the result of the presidential election in arizona. if you would, tell us about that call and whether the former president or mr. giuliani raised allegations of election fraud. >> thank you. my wife and i had returned from attending our church meetings. it was on a sunday. and we were still in the driveway. and i had received a call from a colleague telling me that the white house was trying to get in touch with her and i. and that she said please if you get a call, let's try to take this together. immediately i saw that the white house on my bluetooth was call

we will protect the lives of the unborn in arizona.lt for abortion clinics to survive and be open if abortion is illegal in arizona what about. >> >> bret: what about abortion pills? would you outlaw those. >> i think it's a young mother could be at home taking a pill without medical supervision it could be the end of the mother as well. so i would you very much support banning those types of abortion what do you think the most important issue for your state is. >> we have a couple. wide open border. we have fentanyl pouring. in cartels with operational control. but that wouldn't be happening if we would have fair, honest elections and we had a fraudulent election, a corrupted election we have an illegitimate president sitting in the white house. because of that, our border is wide open. fentanyl was confiscated last year enough to kill over 2 billion people. a weapon of mass destruction. and that's why we are going to is secure that border day one. after i take my hand off the bible: stop this invasion. finish's trump's wall send our

the same in arizona.ller margin, but again, they counted, they recounted, there were court challenges. they investigated these different claims. you heard the republican house speaker saying they wanted me to call a special session. i don't have that authority. what did you get at the end? powerful testimony from republicans that donald trump wanted us to cheat. we just couldn't. >> not want to be a winner by cheating. i will not play with laws i swore allegiance to. >> our job from our point of view is to get the facts out, tell the truth, follow the constitution, follow the law, and defend the institutions. and the institutions held. >> you know, just followed the law, followed the constitution. and at the end of the day, president trump came up short. but i had to be faithful to the constitution. and that's what i swore an oath to do. >> and jake, that's what you heard repeatedly from the state officials saying look, we were sympathetic to donald trump. we are republicans. we kept looking. it was not t

again, in arizona. engaging with people to do the wrong thing, to resist the legitimate election outcomes, state legislators. i think what the committee is looking for, and she said she wants to cooperate, but so did mark meadows. never happened. we'll she if she does it. what they're looking for, trump's lawyer, john eastman, featured so prominently in the last hearing, had contacts with jenny thomas. eastman claims he had some insight into what was going on at the supreme court. he says it was all public. i think they're looking for that conduit between the supreme court, jenny thomas, john eastman and donald trump, and you know, here we have another scandal, because jenny's husband clarence thomas has been voting in matters relating to this investigation. >> in fact, that was going to be my followup question. do you believe that immediately just by virtue of the allegations involving his wife, that he ought to be recusing himself? >> there is no question in any other court in the land, it would be re

. >> i rise today at a time in which families in arizona and across america are scared. for too long they see in unacceptable levels inti the communities. and it threatens their sense of safety and security. the morning after the tragic horrible activity at rob elementary school in uvalde texas real. fear when we spoke to the neighbors and friends and checked on our loved ones to make sure they were okay. for decades parents have lived with the unnerving uncertainty of what might happen when they send their children to school or attend worship services, go to the grocery store or let their kids play outside. for too long for political gains in washington on both sides of the aisle have stopped progress towards protecting communities and keeping families safe and secure. commonsense proposals have been tossed aside instead of solutions for mental illness or video games or particular types of because that didn't align with and confirm their own predetermined beliefs. it became the path of least resistance but the communities hoacross the country that have experienced sense

. >> i rise today at a time in which families in arizona and across america are scared. for too long, they're seen unacceptable levels of violence in their communities, and it threatens their sense of safety and security. the morning after the tragic, horrible activity at ross elementary school in uvalde, texas we all felt that fear. we felt it when we spoke to our neighbors and our friends and checked on our loved ones to ensure that they were okay. for decades, parents have lived with the unnerving uncertainty of what might happen when they send their children to school or attend worship services, go to the grocery store or even simply let their kids play outside. for too long, political games in washington on both sides of the aisle, have stopped progress towards protecting our communities and keeping families safe and security. common sense proposals have been tossed to the side by partisan solutions, for blaming violence strictly on mental illness or video games or nick kinds of weapons or any cause that did nt align with or confirm their predetermined believes. tra

speaker, i want to thank you for your service to the state of arizona and to the country. mr. chairman, at this point, i think it would be appropriate to take a short recess. accordingly, i reserve the balance of my time. >> the chair requests that those in the hearing room remain seated until the capitol police have escorted members and witnesses from the room. we'll have five minutes. a five-minute recess. >>> all right. we are going to do a quick five-minute recess here. the committee has been focusing on its former claims that president donald trump that the former president tried to pressure state-level officials to overturn the election results in any way possible. even some of his own advisers said there was no legal basis for claims that the election was stolen. the committee argues these claims put sate officials' safety at risk when they refused to go along with the plans. we also heard some surprisingly emotional testimony from rusty bowers who spoke about how the president directly tried to get him to reject the election results but he simply kept telling him it wa

joining me is katie hobbs, the arizona secretary of state.ome. let's get your reaction off the top two hearing that the arizona house speaker detailed that pressure campaign on him the way that he did. >> i don't think i realized how involved the pressure campaign was. obviously, republican officials got different kinds of pressure than democratic officials did. i did not get calls from giuliani, trump or his allies, but i did have armed protesters surrounded by home. that was a tactic that a lot of people experienced. i think what has become so clear from all of this is just the level of coordination that is involved not just in leading up to january six and the electoral college certification but that is continuing, these attacks on america and our democracy and the future of free and fair elections that are on the ballot for next november. >> it is interesting because despite the pressure, you have rusty bowers, lay out trump and his allies really came after him to overturn the election, but then even after that, he says, he would still vo

was rigged, that trump had won in arizona. so, bowers was asked, you and i were watching as this played out today, right at the start of the hearing, is that true, did he tell trump it was rigged? >> reporter: according to bowers, trump is simply lying about that. he told the committee, quote, anywhere, anyone, any time who has said that i said the election was rigged, that would not be true. david? >> jon karl leading us off tonight. jon, thank you. >>> we're going to turn now to those images coming in tonight just as we came on the air of a passenger plane catching on fire just after landing at miami international airport. the flight from the dominican republic. emergency crews dousing the plane with foam. 126 passengers and crew onboard. they did get them off the plane, but there are reports of some injuries tonight. abc's victor oquendo live from florida with late reporting for us. victor? >> reporter: david, the details are still coming in at this hour. we've learned it was red air flight number 203. it landed from santo

representative andy biggs of arizona is someone who did ask -- we heard in testimony, the state speakero try to change the results or overturn the results, bring in new electors, and senator ron johnson of wisconsin, testimony today and we saw this in text messages, was that one of his aides reached out to vice president pence's staff and said the senator wanted to hand him a slate of alternate electors on january 6. ron johnson's office says he did not know about that ahead of time, but there's the real question of if on january 6 itself, ron johnson was still trying to bring in a state of electors that was not what his state decided. judy: some unanswered questions there. lisa, staying with you, so much of the focus today was on the state and local elected officials. tell us more about what we heard from this committee in terms of white house officials themselves pressuring local election people. >> in particular, two women from fulton county, the two women seen in the video, moving absentee ballots late at night. the trump campaign set for months those were secret suitcases of ballot

senate, current member of the arizona house jay kaufman and orts.rt and it wasn't something that was done in secret. they held this meeting at the arizona republican party headquarters and voted to certify these fake electors. >> is this something that ever would have been done without the direction in your mind or at least communication with the trump campaign? >> i can't imagine that it would have. i mean, in fact, i think this mr. lane that you are referring to, there was a picture i saw last night on social media with him handing paperwork to the folks at the table and i think he had a trump campaign jacket on. >> based on what you know about arizona election law, and you know more than most on planet earth i would suggest, this whole idea of this alternative slate of electors, any basis in that whatsoever? >> no basis at all, and i'm so proud of the speaker of the arizona house, rusty bowers, who everyone got to see earlier this week, saying he was open to allegations of fraud. he wanted to hear them. and i was, too. my colleagues and i, we cer

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and i also swore to the constitution and laws of the state of arizona. and it is a tenant of my faith that the constitution is divinely inspired, of my most basic foundational beliefs. and so for me to do that, because somebody just asked me to? it is foreign to my very being. i will not do it. >> speaker bowers continue to face pressure. especially from giuliani. as trump and his people spread the big lie across the country. in early december, -- it occupied the arizona house building, looking for bowers. committee member adam schiff revealed this video. >> this was previously undisclosed video protesters illegally entering and refusing to leave the building. one of the individual prominently shown in this video is jacob chansley. perhaps better known as the qanon shaman, this -- and to the capitol on january sixth, he was photographed leaving a note on the -- chamber. he was ultimately sentenced to 41 months in prison, after pleading guilty to obstruction of an official proceeding. other protesters who occupy the arizona house of representatives buildi

in arizona.larity about what is legal and what is not legal currently. we have laws that are banning abortions that were written in 1901, pack before the state was even part of the union. and we just really haven't gotten any clarity from anyone about whether these laws, which were in joint, in making 73 under the protection of roe, will be reinstated, now that roe has fallen. we also have a personal had provision, which was enacted last year by our state legislature, which basically confirms all of the rights of living, breathing human beings onto fetuses. so that certainly has the potential to criminalize the provision of abortion here in our state. so we are really at a point where we legally cannot safely provide abortion to our patients. >> i know that you said that the hardest hit arizonans are already facing discriminatory obstacles to health care, particularly black and indigenous communities, excuse me. including people with disabilities and people who live far from the city. are there a

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i assume that is about arizona. because of the substantial and certainly -- uncertainty -- can you explain the task you gave to ms. cannon for this arizona analysis? mr. stepien: previously i described some of my frustration with some of the claims people would throw at president trump regarding, you need to look at this, that happened in that state and those would flow to us to look into. i talked about that before i think. this is an example of that. in arizona, someone had thrown out the claim there were thousands of illegal citizens, people not eligible to vote casting their ballot in arizona. with the margins being as close as they were, previously described, that could potentially happen. the claim was thrown out, i asked alex to look at the claim. i hadn't read his for email, but i recall the response to that, the reality of that was not illegal citizens voting in the election. i think it was like for overseas voters voting in the election. rep. lofgren: when these findings were passed up the chain to preside

. >> we heard from republican arizona house speaker, rusty bowers, as talked about resistant pressurelp overturn the 2020 election. bowers told the committee he supported trump, but today, he said something very different about supporting trump. he said this about his conversation that he had with the former president. >> to quote the former president during the conversation, you told me that the election was rigged, and that i won arizona. unquote. did you have such a conversation with the president? >> i did have a conversation with the president. that certainly isn't it. there were parts of it that are true. but there are parts that are not, sir. >> anywhere, anyone, any time, has said that i said that the election was rigged. that would not be true. >> and when the former president in his statement today claimed that you told him that he wants arizona, is that also false? >> that is also false. >> trump put out two false statements just before we heard from bowers. he also told the committee about a phone call that he had with, and giuliani, after the election. >> mr. giuliani cam