arthur: a big book on him. brian: mmm. arthur: a big book on him. the idea of a book on macarthur was planted in my head by an editor at random house originally. and i had actually thought about macarthur as a great follow-up as some of the biographical work that i had done. i had done the joe mccarthy book, for example. the war in the pacific, particularly the southwest pacific had intrigued me when i was working on my book on mahatma gandhi and winston churchill. it was one of those moments when signne sort of flashes a you, sort of flash assign someone sort of flashes a suddenlyoua nd converges and you realize this is some i would love to do but something i think could be really different from the kinds of books that had been written about macarthur in the past and to really rethink and reevaluate who this person was. but his virtues made him one of the most adored and adulated figures in the american history and also what were his flaws and what were the things that made him really unpleasant and hated by millions of people. brian: here is some

arthur: eight yes.e was probably the finest record of a student at west point of anyone since robert e. lee and a record that still stands unchallenged till this day. brian: all right, can you tell us -- i know that fdr's mother moved near him when he went to harvard. why did douglas macarthur's mother move to west point? arthur: she moved there to do two things. one is to help supervise his studies. she lived in a rooming house outside the grounds of west point. there they are. that's young douglas there on the right and of course, his mother mary pinkney. pinky macarthur as she became known. she looks pretty formidable in that picture, and she was. but when i started this book, i by previoush led biographers as macarthur who think of her is this domineering woman. almost a kind of lady macbeth type. sort of pushing and propelling her son forward in his career. and she did rush and propel him forward. but what i came to realize and the more learned about the relationship, i realized there was a second

arthur: i think not. i think he felt that the bomb had this tremendous potential to completely undermine and demoralize the japanese. he was more in favor of using it in a demonstration way as opposed to an actual dropping of it. and, for the rest of his life, macarthur looked upon nuclear weapons as being really something that should mark the end of warfare as we know it and was part of a whole campaign later on in his life towards a unilateral disarmament. brian: during world war ii, was he married? did he have children? and where did his mother live at that point? arthur: he had met his wife because i explain in the book from the oral history that his wife did in the late 1990's before she died. this is jean macarthur, the second wife. they met out in the voyage to the philippines when he went to assume command of basically the philippine military mission the united states had set up there to help the philippines build a self-defense force, basically an army that could be used to defend the islands. th

. >> this week on q&a, arthur and senior fellow -- arthur and senior fellow arthur herman. he discusses his book "american warrior." >> arthur herman, what made douglas mccarter so controversial? >> well, a number of things. i think there was aspect of his personality, his politics and then there's also simply the -- what can i say? the distance of the man. i'll start with that first. he was someone who was a major american figure for more than half a century. someone who commanded american troops in action and helped to note american war policy in one, not two, but three world wars and the cold war. here's somebody who really with the possibly exception of franklin roosevelt was presided at more events and made more decisions that shaped the history of 20th century united states than -- i can't think of anyone else. with the exception of f.d.r. there was his politics. he was conservative republican which didn't rub well with the democrat presidents he had to work with particularly f.d.r. and harry truman. but he wasn't a con serb active -- conservative taft republicans. he

. ♪ >> you could describe arthur taylor as the perfect european. girlfriend is finnish, he set up a software company in germany, and he was born in britain. now his british nationality is starting to worry him. if britain votes to leave, taylor will no longer be an eu citizen. what would that mean for his company and his more than 30 members of staff? arthur: it is frightening to know that a lot of my fate and the fate of the people who work here are dependent on people who aren't even aware of what we are doing here in berlin. and that's true for a lot of expats in europe. >> non-eu citizens require both residence and work permits for germany. taylor is currently wondering whether to become german, but he's only been here for seven years and you have to have lived in germany for eight years before you can apply for german citizenship. the impact of brexit is unclear. arthur: there is no role model for this process. itas never happened before in history. nobody knows what the implications would be legally or for people working here. >> martin gordo

name.e, i forgot his arthur -- prof. nesbit: arthur ashe. have our memorial here. we have the other one near the theater. to me that's still divided you still have two sides. symbolically to me -- prof. nesbit: ok. so that's really good. even the placement of these memorials can be -- it's in advertently or maybe perfectly -- purposefully emphasized, these divisions. i did not mention it but the arthur ashe, it's the last one before the interstate cuts the road off. and certainly in the low rent area, after you have the grand early 20th century mansions, those are all gone by the time arthur ashehe monument. and so absolutely that's a fear. and that's something to be concerned about. i think these issues are thing s we will continue to deal with. i'm glad that you guys have thought about it. if this ever becomes a public issue and you are still here, i hope that you'll participate in this conversation. and give it some thought. so we will meet on be sure to thursday. talk about the readings for this week. make sure you see monuments men. we will be talking about cu

arthur: washington sure has changed. [laughter] arthur: you don't hear stories like that anymore. brian: i want to run one last clip. some more what general macarthur was saying at the republican convention in '52. [begin video clip] general macarthur: our people are desperate for a plan that would revise hope and restore faith as they feel that oppressive burden of the tax levy on every source of revenue and property transaction. as they see that astronomically rising public debt mortgaging the industry, the well-being, the opportunity of our children and our children's children, there is no plan to transform extravagance into frugality, no desire to regain economic and fiscal stability, no prospect to return to the rugged ideals and collective tranquility of our fathers. [end video clip] brian: that was only 64 years ago. wasn't that something? arthur: it was in many ways incredibly depressing speech. issue of debt, public spending, how that becomes a way in which you mortgage a country's future. my gosh, in issue that has been hanging over us for the last couple of decades of n

arthur: i would say reasonably well.nk the regulators first of all have studied pretty carefully the problems that arose in the u.s. particularly before the 2008 crisis. they are aware of the risks. on the other hand, they want some shadow financing activity as a vehicle for financial innovation and getting credit into new places so they are walking a fine line, but i think on the whole the risks are being kept under control. mark: essentially, china's leadership has to allow itself to lose control to some extent if it wants its economic reform process to succeed. is that happening? will it allow that to happen? arthur: this is i think the big problem and i do not see this as a huge issue for the next year or two. on the longer time horizon, china has to have an economy that is more based on private entrepreneurship, consumer spending, and so forth, and much more markets are required unless intervention by the state. the government has said rhetorically but they support that and they want to have a more market-driven eco

que un poco mÁs adelante va a interpretar su piano para la familia de un. >> balance se queda arthurmiguel recuerda que desde que lo conociÓ en la escuela despertÓ en Él un sentimiento de protecciÓn. >> no sÉ cÓmo decir mi nombre y Él me ayudÓ, y luego no sabÍa ni el abecedario, sabÍa contar uno cuadro, 6 y o8 y una vez le dic ¿puedo ser parte de tu equipo de luchadores? >> y Él dijo que sÍ. >> Él naciÓ sin piernas. >> hace dos aÑos miguel empezÓ a enseÑar tÉcnicas de la lupa libre y prepararlo para que sea todo un gladiador una disciplina que al mismo miguel lo sacÓ de problemas. >> me salvÓ la vida, lo dice que yo tambiÉn puedo ayudar a salvar la vida de a otros niÑo. >> yo vivÍa en una zona peligrosa de la ciudad estaba en un sitio malo y mi familia tambiÉn, muchos tiros y cosas feas. >> es mÁs que mi luchador y estudiantes Él es familia, el es como mi segundo hijo Él es como yo sÉ que yo no soy su papÁ, nunca le digo eso pero Él sabe que lo quiero tanto como su paÁa que Él es un amor para mÍ y toda la familia y todo el equipo. >> vamos a ver quien puede mÁs tu o yo. >> la discipl

and senior fellow -- arthur and senior fellow arthur herman. he discusses his book "american warrior." >> arthur herman, what made douglas mccarter so controversial? >> well, a number of things. i think there was aspect of his personality, his politics and then there's

ut arthur ashe was a local american hero. and they decided to -- that it would be maybe too difficult or maybe not the right thing to confederate monuments down. there was no political will for that. but there was political will for erecting this arthur ashe monument. there were protests. the sons of confederate veterans did not like to fact that a famous african-american was going to be celebrated alongside confederate veterans. i don't know. would call this monument inexpertly done. it's not my favorite monument in the world. probably a better one is down here off of monument avenue and near the river, near the james river actually in the area that was burned during the fires at richmond at iron works. now this is an iron works if the confederacy. this is the place where the confederacy made so many of their armments. a statue to abraham lincoln was placed at this public site that's now owned and openered by the national park service. what does this monument say to ou guys? >> it's not really grand. >> what you do mean? > s

. ♪ >> you could describe arthur taylor as the perfect european.irlfriend is finnish, he set up a software company in germany, and he was born in britain. now his british nationality is starting to worry him. if britain votes to leave, taylor will no longer be an eu citizen. what would that mean for his company and his more than 30 members of staff? arthur: it is frightening to know that a lot of my fate and the fate of the people who work here are dependent on people who aren't even aware of what we are doing here in berlin. and that's true for a lot of expats in europe. >> non-eu citizens require both residence and work permits for germany. taylor is currently wondndering whether to become german, but he's only been here for seven years and you have to have lived in germany foror eight years before you can apply for german citizenship. the impact o of brexit is s unc. arthur: there is no role model for this process. itas never happened before in history. nobody knows what the implications would be legally or for people working here. >> martin gor

arthur?ve an interesting position because i actually went to a law school, city university of new york, that we had grades internally so we knew what we got but externally it was only pass fail, which put us at a disadvantage because if you're an employer, he has meghan and has 93 average and here is arthur, passed every class in law school. >> tell you what they do? law firms count it as a c. they look at that pass is just good enough to get through the class. don't count that as an a. harris: don't count your work ethic. >> i had a lot of fun in law school. didn't work out too bad. i'm on the couch with you. >> i come on the show pretty often shows how millenials are pampered crybabies that can't handle reality. i know many millenials serving in the military, paying off student loans, doing tons of jobs. you just showed president obama with air force graduation. there are great millenials out. sandra: i will take that side and defend this a little bit, this one student activist, all parents

. >> arthur taylor vince the image of an ideal european.n in england, he owns a business in germany and his partner is from finland. his british passport is a problem. if the brexit referendum passes, he would no longer be an eu citizen. he would need to apply to both work and residency permits, even knowing of their business with over 30 staff. >> it is frightening to know that my fate and the fate of the people that work here depends on people who aren't in -- aren't even aware of what we're doing, necessarily. >> that is why arthur is trying to figure out how to get a german passport. he only has is, it is important for his son, chester. at least the -- at least one of chester's parents needs a passport, and his mother is indonesian. chester doesn't understand why many people in england want to leave the eu. >> i think they said because europe diminishes its own strength or something like that. i think there is no reason for england to leave europe. >> gordon moved to berlin from london over 18 years ago to work as a music producer. he h

arthur: well, a number of things.hink there was aspect of his personality, his politics and then there's also simply the --

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>> that was arthur bradthore making the comments about trump. sirius xm said the comments could be construed as someone advocating harm against trump. a representative for beck has not responded to the controversy. >>> philadelphia is among the growing list of cities whose police agencies are rewarding officer for showing restraint. case in point back in february. officer michael edwards was awarded for his handling of a man who threatened to shoot him in south philly. after several verbal and physical attacks from the suspect, he used his taser, not his gun. more than 40 officers have received similar awards in the last six months. >>> first time in new jersey, a woman with zika gave birth to a baby with birth defects. the baby was born in hackensack today. the mother got zika in another country. she's reportedly from honduras. >>> the supreme court will not save union workers in their fight over the future of trump taj mahal in atlantic city. justices declined to hear an appeal from workers who say they improperly lost their pension and health

leahy graduated one year behind arthur the third, also in 1897 and by no small coincidence among the best friends was thomas c hart who are going to command the asiatic fleet in the philippines in 1941. what that means is that leahy and hart are the two people that have no the mcarthur family and douglas for the longest period of time. they think absolutely nothing of calling him douglas. as it douglas macarthur goes on to this a great hero status, here are two men very much on a first name basis with him. if you know anything about douglas macarthur, they're not many people who walked up to him and called him douglas. in fact, his second wife jean is on record as always calling him general. referring to him in her soft southern trawl as, my general. i think it is interesting from fdr's standpoint that the man who so close to them as in terms of being a counselor really knows mcarthur well, again on a first name basis. i think those conversations between fdr and leahy, as leahy serves as his chief of staff really go a long way to sort of helping roosevelt understand a little bit more

arthur: vamos a colombia.

arthur aidala break down the senate gorilla shooting.he new york police department has a new rule to make it kiernd, softer, gentler. kennedy: welcome back. we are going to talk some serious stuff. police are reportedly investigating the parents of the 4-year-old boy who fell into the gorilla pit at the cincinnati zoo. people are calling for the mother to be charged with child endangerment. so who is at fault? there is on one person to ask. arthur aidala looking sharp tonight. >> there are thing in this world that are just called accidents. sometime it's nobody's fault. kennedy: the first thing everyone want to do is rush to judgment and blame someone immediately. >> the mom is being defensive. saying i keep a tight watch on my kid it's a 3-year-old who scurried away. it's good that they are doing an investigation. if you see the mom ignoring the child and allowing the child to be in harm's way, maybe we have to do a further investigation. but if it's just a mom with a super athletic 3-year-old because this kid got over a bunch of barrie

thank you, arthur. good afternoon, sheryl. huge, huge, huge fan. i have been twitting you crazy, tagging facebook. sheryl: nice. there you go. mr. brooks: i was going to say -- i wasn't going to say anything. sheryl: i am a fan of yours right back. >> by the way. i am a member of a.e.i. leadership network. i'm a small business owner. thank you, sheryl, for empowering me to create a women's empowerment network like i did in d.c. sheryl: yeah! >> i want to talk about bullying and words on facebook. we all see it in our personal feeds. we all see it on news articles and that is, does facebook feel that it has to do something around bullying? we all see it. the "post" can put an article up and all of a sudden people are yelling and screaming at each other in the comment section. what is facebook doing to address bullying? and what are you doing to help us as users to improve our dialogue with each other? sheryl: it's a great question and we feel very strongly that there is no place for hate and no place for bullying on facebook. we have strict policies

my friends, brian and arthur, are here. arthur aidala has a grandfather who -- >> in the hall of fame. my grandfather is in the boxing hall of fame and his claim to fame was he judged the muhammad ali-joe frazier fight, in scare square -- madison square garden, which was ali's most important fight and ironically he lost it but that was after he almost went to prison for five years. people don't realize mull -- muhammad ali almost wasn't muhammad ali and the person who gets credit is justice brennan on the supreme court. >> the reason he was going to prison is he was seen as one who was dodging service. >> absolutely. >> he said, as so many americans did, i have a religious objection. >> and they didn't believe because it was muslim, they did not believe that he was genuine in his beliefs. and the case -- he lost at the trial level, lost the first appellate level, and in the first vote on the supreme court, behind closed doors, he lost again and was supposed to go to jail for five years but justice brennan within door to doo

heavy rains are on i-10 from houston into the port arthur area and lake charles. this is where the intense rainfall is currently and where the greatest flash flooding threat is. storms near victoria are popping up and we'll have to watch that because the river there is very high. we do have a new flash flood warning that's in. this goes until 11:30 central time and includes the port arthur area but does not include houston. we have flash flood watches up for 23 million people and there's that triangle area. right in here has been the worst of it. tonight we expect heavier rain to shift into areas of louisiana. as far as the next three days go, dallas only a quarter of an inch. san antonio maybe a half inch to another inch. the heavier rains will focus along houston and southeast texas coast and into areas of louisiana. so we have to get through today. tomorrow will be a little better and by sunday we give everyone in texas the all clear. >> we'll check back in with you in just a few minutes. >>> chaos and name calling once again driving the day in san jose. protes

arthur's death certificate listed him as single until the supreme court ruling. >> for me it takes it back to the reason john and i started this fight. to live up to our promises. i owe this to him to see this through to the end. >> some groups are working to overturn the ruling, saying the decision was unconstitutional, but he believes the decision will stand. >>> now to the fight when it comes to gun control. house democrats say they're not giving up. they're planning their next move after their sit-in failed to produce any legislative action over gun control. kpix 5's maria medina tells us about the democrats' strategy to keep the pressure on republicans. >> reporter: after their sit-in that eventually drew 170 lawmakers came this promise. >> the fight is not over. this is just one step. >> we said enough is enough. >> reporter: bay area congressman eric swalwell took part in the protest over gun control prompted by the orlando shooting. >> the cameras were cut. i thought well, i've got periscope, snapchat, facebook live. >> reporter: the lawmakers turned to their cell phones to li

asking the question is arthur brooks. this is one hour. >> welcome, ladies and gentlemen. welcome to aei. i am arthur brooks, president of delighted to welcome sheryl sandberg, the chief operating officer facebook to join us. been a busy day. this is something i've been looking forward to for a long time. in interview we have been hoping to do for months. we have had this on the books for four months. is one of you know, this of the last events we will do in this building. ofwill talk about somebody the issues that are important to you and important to me. file. give you a quick it is so impressive. the person we have on stage. i want to dwell on what success looks like in america today. sheryl sandberg has been the ceo at facebook since 2008. when she first came to facebook, facebook had 70 million users, which seemed like a lot at the time. and 550 employees. the like button had yet to be invented. today, facebook has 1.6 billion users. over one billion users every day. 70 million was not that many, turns out. and more than 13,000 employees. she has done more than just t

asking the questions is arthur brooks. this is one hour. mr. brooks: welcome, ladies and gentlemen. i'm arthur brooks and i am delighted to welcome sheryl facebook toe ceo of join us in this conversation today. it has been a busy day here today. we have had many events but this is something i have been looking forward to for a long time. this is an interview has been hoping to do for months. as many of you know, this is one of the last events we will be doing in this building. we are going to be talking about so many of the issues that are important to you and to me. i am going to give you a biography. it is so impressive, the person we have on stage. sheryl sandberg has been the ceo at facebook since 2008. she came to facebook, facebook had 70 million users which seems like a lot of the time. and 550 employees. the like button had yet to be invented. today, facebook has 1.6 billion users. 70 million was not that many, turns out. more than 13,000 employees. she has done more than just that. she is the author of the 2013 in."seller " lean she is also the founder of leanin.org. lean i

. >> reporter: his husband, john arthur, died of als in 2013, three months after their wedding whichby their home state of ohio. arthur's death certificate listed him as single, until the supreme court ruling. >> love does win. >> reporter: a gallup poll out this week estimates that 123,000 same-sex couples were married in the year since it became law. today, nearly half of same-sex couples who are living together are married. that is up from 38% a year ago. but not everyone is celebrating. several groups are working to overturn the ruling, calling the 5-4 decision unconstitutional. >> the decision, i believe, will be overturned. >> reporter: brian brown is president of the national organization for marriage. >> the united states supreme court did not have any jurisdiction or right to redefine the nature of marriage, and to steal from the people their right to vote osich questions. >> reporter: saturday's march in washington to protest the ruling was only part of the group's strategy. but with the anniversary being celebrated with gay pride parades in new york and other cities, overg

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. >> reporter: charles arthur berry has been bus driver for septa for 28 years.at time he's experienced a lot of things but nothing prepared him for what happened monday along his bus route. >> young lady waiting on the bus scene a gentleman come up hyped her and snatch her pock book and not thinking just went after the guy. >> reporter: not only did mr. arthur berry run after the suspect, norman jennings, he caught him, took him down and held him until police arrived. today at septa headquarters, they thanked him for his efforts to protect the public. >> a big risk, definitely courageous. mr. arthur berry exited the very definition of going above and i don't know the call of duty. >> reporter: in time where many are afraid to assist in these types of situations mr. art berry was moved to act. although he says he reactioned without thinking, he also pointed out a possible reason that he couldn't just look the other way. >> if my wife was in that predicament i would hope somebody would try to help her whether they succeed or not it's not the point it's whether the

i was center court wimbledon when arthur upset jimmy connors. you remember when the match was over that day, he put his fist up in the air. >> for a specially conservative white sports fans it was, as i was saying earlier, a long journey for them to come back around to ali. they were off kilter and scared by the race talk. and then not wanting to serve in vietnam sent a lot of them away for many, many years. >> my dad was in the army, air force, my 92 years young father. if anybody was going to take an aggressive posture what ali stood for, it would have been my dad. but he said they call us the greatest generation. they talk about how brave we were. he said that man was brave. for my dad, that's all it took. >> yeah. that was an act of bravery in its time. charlie pearce is with us. former sports columnist for the boston herald. these days with esquire. charlie, i know you want in on on that conversation, especially placing him in the history of our society the last several decades. >> yeah. ever since the news broke, i keep having the walt whi

. >> arthur? >> there's something called the thing speaks for itself.3-year-old is able to get into the gorilla area, obviously there was some negligence there. obviously it wasn't good enough. i mean, if the kid could do it -- >> negligence on whose part, arthur? >> on the zoo. >> on the zoo or the parents? >> if a 3-year-old could get in there unassisted by an adult, obviously somebody did something wrong. i'm not saying the parents should sue the zoo. i don't think anybody should sue anybody. how about that? how about the law doesn't have to get involved with all these issues. an investigation needs to be done so it doesn't happen again. >> change.org petition calling for the boy's parents to be held accountable for their actions of not supervising him, has over 100,000 signatures, mark. >> megyn, what parent hasn't gone through the horror of temporarily losing their child for a second or two? i talked to my mother tonight, she said she lost my kids at disney world. i learned that for the first time. it happens, megyn. >> yeah. >> it does. it doesn't

bea arthur. bea arthur's sister or something. >> yeah, bea arthur."the soul man" because this is going away. >> yes. it was -- >> jimmy: we might as well leave these cookies on. right? >> i didn't plan on taking it off. i had no idea. >> jimmy: i think we leave it on. >> i'm so comfortable right now. >> jimmy: yeah. me too. this is the way we should do it. >> so -- >> jimmy: i'm kind of bummed that it's going away. >> yeah, man. it was -- it's the fifth season. you know, we had a great time doing it and it was like, this year i ran for mayor, so it was kind of this whole thing with the political campaign going on, like, feels like the world, right? >> jimmy: real life. that's a cool topic. >> like, you know. >> jimmy: but you got to direct. >> i did. i directed an episode this year. so -- >> jimmy: what's it like to direct yourself? >> i wrote -- it was hard. it was hard, because as an actor i would like be -- you know i would be off doing something so cedric the director would have to talk to cedric the actor and i was, like, hey, man. like what are

we want to bring in bo dealings, arthur aidala. personal stories of muhammad ali. arthur, amazing at the garden the night muhammad ali lost. >> well, muhammad ali and joe frazier household name literally in my house, in my office. in my law office. i have the hat that the officials were given. special commemorative hat. when you look at the pictures of that fight, the march 8th, 1971 fight. all the officials around are wearing that hat. i have it framed because it was my grandfather's hat. two judges and a referee. the referee was mccandy my grandfather was one of the judges. they were so afraid much corruption. greatest sporting event ever. it was the only sporting event. there wasn't 500 different sports. there were like three. and so people would know there was no cell phones so my grandfather and three of the judges had to sit at home and wait for the phone to ring and he got the call around 4:00 that day and one of the referees and they were guarded. my grandfather couldn't go. no one could talk to him or no one could be near

so let's just -- you start arthur by telling us what were the highlights of >>> when we left off laston was in trouble because the judge found out they hadn't disclosed all the interviews they'd done. we in the press knew t had spoken with allen but there were a few mettings they had and they didn't disclose all of them. they disclosed the first one they had and where they said we turned over the substantive information and either earlier this week or late last week the lawyer called and said did they tell you about the second meeting and the defense attorney said no so the defense attorney brought up what about the second meeting. they said yeah we did have a second meeting but he was so consistently inconsistent in his answers that we did not think there was any exculpatory material there. they have to turn over exculpatory material. they don't have to turn over everything but something that would help the defense and in these situations you turn it over. the judge says we're coming in , meaning this morning and i want to hear from the prosecutor and tell me what happened. how come

and i was at centre court in wimbledon in 1975 when arthur upset jimmy connors.f you remember, when the match was over that day, in a complete uncharacteristic gesture for him, he put his fist up in the air. >> for especially conservative white sports fans, it was, as i was saying earlier, a long journey for them to come back around to ali. they were off-kilter and scared by the race talk. and then the not wanting to serve in vietnam sent a lot of them away for many, many years. >> my dad was a bombardier in the army air force. my 92 years young father. and if anybody was going to take an aggressive posture against what ali stood for, it would have been my dad. but my dad always says this. he said, they call us the greatest generation. they talk about how brave we were. he said, that man was brave. and for my dad, that's all it took. >> yeah, that was an act of bravery in its time. charlie pierce is with us, former sports columnist for the boston herald. these days with escwire. i know you want in on this conversation. placing him in the history of our society in