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with assange. >> according to the indictment, stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about wikileaks and information it might have had that would be damaging to the clinton campaign. prosecutors also allege a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases. it's unclear who delivered those instructions and which officials stone was in touch with about wickdy leaks. at least one of them was steve bannon, the former white house chief executive. but stone was not charged with conspiracy. he faces one count of obstruction and five counts of making false statements. both related to his alleged lies before the house intelligence committee. >> any error i made in my testimony would be both immaterial and without intent. >> he also faces one count of trying to camper with testimony from new york radio host. at one point threatening to steal his dogs. according to the indictment, stone told him stone wall him, plead the fifth, anything to save the man with
with assange. >> according to the indictment, stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about wikileaks and information it might have had that would be damaging to the clinton campaign. prosecutors also allege a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases. it's unclear who delivered those instructions and which officials stone was in touch with about wickdy leaks. at least one of them was steve bannon, the former white house chief...
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assange.eaks, and assange's supporters, is that stone wanted access to wikileaks information, and it was, and he was very happy for some people to think he could get it. but he deliberately promoted himself as a conduit to wikileaks. and to assange. perhaps via a back channel. even though wikileaks insists no such line of communication existed. >> the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration, or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign. >> at the center of long-time trump associate roger stone's indictment, stolen e-mails from wikileaks that could damage hillary clinton's presidential race in coordination with the trump cam pain. >> anyone tell you to contact, in the trump campaign to contact wikileaks. >> no, that is incorrect. >> but the mueller probe paints a different picture. back to july 2016, when wikileaks releases thousands of stolen documents from the dnc, damaging to hillary clinton. and then after that, a senior trump campaign o
assange.eaks, and assange's supporters, is that stone wanted access to wikileaks information, and it was, and he was very happy for some people to think he could get it. but he deliberately promoted himself as a conduit to wikileaks. and to assange. perhaps via a back channel. even though wikileaks insists no such line of communication existed. >> the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration, or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016...
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and in fact, assange recently issued a statement in which he affirmed that, mentioning me by name. >> what makes you believe that now since august, last time you had any specific contact with him, what was the one point that kind of flipped your thinking to say, yes, i do believe now that roger stone did collude in some way. >> i said, i believe that roger had contact with julian assange and i don't know the extent of it i was not involved in that from reading the indictment, it sounds like credico was much more involved in that than i was. >> talking about credico you heard the threats made against him as he was going through the process of giving testimony. and it is clearly written out in the indictment as well for you here, jerome, did you ever have any discussion, did you hear at all from roger stone directly or indirectly as you were going through the 40 hours, the extensive amount of time that you were spending there with the mueller team? >> i had no contact with roger at all through that period of time and i made no contact with him and he made no effort to contact me and i w
and in fact, assange recently issued a statement in which he affirmed that, mentioning me by name. >> what makes you believe that now since august, last time you had any specific contact with him, what was the one point that kind of flipped your thinking to say, yes, i do believe now that roger stone did collude in some way. >> i said, i believe that roger had contact with julian assange and i don't know the extent of it i was not involved in that from reading the indictment, it...
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i'm sure i asked that if anybody had a way to reach assange, we should pass the alert to assange so he begin dropping the podesta file right away. as we know, october 7th, wikileaks did release those e-mails just half an hour after "the washington post" published the "access hollywood" story. do you take credit for that? do you think what you said on that conference call got word to assange? >> i doubt it very seriously. my recollection, and the records show i had three conversations with roger stone that day. i believe it was october, what, 7th or 8th? at any rate, the day wikileaks released the first of the podesta e-mails, as my recollection that roger mentioned this billy bush was coming and he wanted to know if assange could begin dropping e-mails. now roger may have a different recollection of that. i'm not disputing what roger's recollection is. i can only tell you what my recollection is. and i doucbt anything was able o be communicated by the world net daily staff. as we look through that day, i was -- it was a very busy day for me in new york city. i was working with a lot of
i'm sure i asked that if anybody had a way to reach assange, we should pass the alert to assange so he begin dropping the podesta file right away. as we know, october 7th, wikileaks did release those e-mails just half an hour after "the washington post" published the "access hollywood" story. do you take credit for that? do you think what you said on that conference call got word to assange? >> i doubt it very seriously. my recollection, and the records show i had...
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assange. the view of wikileaks and the supporters is that stone was happy for some people to think he could get the information. that he deliberately promoted himself as a conduit to wikileaks. and to julian assange, even though no such line of communication ever existed. >> the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign. >> reporter: the center of long time associate stone centers on the e-mails from wikileaks in coordination with the trump campaign. >> did you contact wikileaks? >> no, i addressed that before. that's incorrect. >> reporter: but the mueller probe paints a different picture. back to july 2016 when wikileaks releases thousands of stolen documents from the dnc damaging to hillary clinton. and then after that, a senior trump campaign official is directed to ask stone about more damaging information organization one wikileaks might have. by august, stone gets an e-mail from person one.
assange. the view of wikileaks and the supporters is that stone was happy for some people to think he could get the information. that he deliberately promoted himself as a conduit to wikileaks. and to julian assange, even though no such line of communication ever existed. >> the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign. >> reporter: the center of long time associate stone centers on the...
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assange. let's go to london outside thel assange has been living. what's the latest? >> wikileaks says the indictment proves what it has always said. it always maintained there was no direct communication between stone and wikileaks or stone and its founder julian assange. instead, it believes it proves its other story, stone was simply happy to promote the idea he was a bell to obtain information directly from wikileaks. happy for people to think there was some back channel direct to the man who is still staying in the embassy behind me. even though no back channel existed. >> the charges relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration. connection with the 2016 campaign. >> roger stone's indictment could damage hillary clinton's race in coordination with the trump campaign. >> anyone in the trump campaign tell you to contact wikileaks? >> no. i addressed that before. that's correct. >> the mueller probe paints a different picture. back to july 2016 when wikileaks releases thous
assange. let's go to london outside thel assange has been living. what's the latest? >> wikileaks says the indictment proves what it has always said. it always maintained there was no direct communication between stone and wikileaks or stone and its founder julian assange. instead, it believes it proves its other story, stone was simply happy to promote the idea he was a bell to obtain information directly from wikileaks. happy for people to think there was some back channel direct to the...
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let's listen to it and talk about it. >> i actually have communicated with assange. >> did assange give you any info you've got to put it out now if you've got it. >> i'm not at liberty to discuss what i have. and i kind of have a foreshadowing. i was very specific in that i said that i had communicated with mr. assange we have mutual acquaintance to is a fine gentleman. >> that speaks to your point exactly, roger stone clearly sold himself as having inside knowledge of wikileaks' plans and information. how does he argue his position on that now? >> he has walked that back and said i was bluffing. i claimed contact but i didn't really have it you also saw a noticeable shift in august. august is an important time period roger started saying he was in touch with assange in early august and started backtracking and said i'm in touch through an intermediary mueller makes it pretty clear that robler received information from jerome corsi but when roger talked to the house committee he told him it was randy credico. the timeline is important. in that video, you saw the text on screen from fes
let's listen to it and talk about it. >> i actually have communicated with assange. >> did assange give you any info you've got to put it out now if you've got it. >> i'm not at liberty to discuss what i have. and i kind of have a foreshadowing. i was very specific in that i said that i had communicated with mr. assange we have mutual acquaintance to is a fine gentleman. >> that speaks to your point exactly, roger stone clearly sold himself as having inside knowledge of...
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assange.> according to the indictment, stone sought dirt on hillary clinton from stolen e-mails released by wikileaks in coordination with the trump campaign. our phil black takes a look at what that means for stone, assange, and donald trump. >> the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration, or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign. >> reporter: the dissenter, it could damage hillary clinton's presidential race in coordination with the trump campaign. >> no, i have addressed that before, that is incorrect. >> reporter: the mueller probe paints a different picture. back to july 2016, when wikileaks releases thousands of stolen documents from the dnc, damaging to hillary clinton. and after that, a senior trump campaign official is directed to ask stone about more damaging information, organization one, wikileaks, might have. by august, stone gets an e-mail from person one. now confirmed to cnn as stone associate jerome corsi including thes
assange.> according to the indictment, stone sought dirt on hillary clinton from stolen e-mails released by wikileaks in coordination with the trump campaign. our phil black takes a look at what that means for stone, assange, and donald trump. >> the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration, or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign. >> reporter: the dissenter, it could damage hillary clinton's presidential race in...
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if i had that directly from julian assange, i would not have hesitated to say julian assange has told i used "word is" to cushion, you can believe this or not, i came up with this of my own deduction. i believe julian assange this week has affirmed that. >> why not say "i think" instead of "word is?" >> over my entire life, going back to when i was a child. my father said jerry you come up with these deductions that are often right, you're going to have a tough time getting people to believe that. >> i think, mr. corsi, that's true, that statement is true. the other interesting thing about your new lawsuit against mueller to many people watching this case, it's putting out new information that reporters and people are interested in. in this hearing you just had, there is a reference to you and your stepson discussing a quote, "scrub" of a computer in an electronic message according to your statements. why were you talking about a scrub? were you trying to remove evidence relating to this case? >> it was not -- the fbi showed up at my stepson's home, 40 years old, and knocked on the do
if i had that directly from julian assange, i would not have hesitated to say julian assange has told i used "word is" to cushion, you can believe this or not, i came up with this of my own deduction. i believe julian assange this week has affirmed that. >> why not say "i think" instead of "word is?" >> over my entire life, going back to when i was a child. my father said jerry you come up with these deductions that are often right, you're going to have...
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i had a right to talk with assange to speak with assange, to publish what assange had.just that i had no contact with assange. >> sean: "new york times" published it. >> yeah. >> sean: by the way you said to me you have never talked to julian assange. >> never. >> sean: neither has roger stone if i remember correctly. >> as far as i know. roger can speak for himself. i know for myself i have never spoken to julian assange directly or indirectly. no contact. >> sean: so comparing the pentagon papers case, which you did a dissertation ironically on, and looking at this case, all you and roger want to know what does he have? neither one of you were part of a conspiracy to steal information from anybody nor did you steal any information from anybody. the president 6-3 decision in the pentagon papers case, the u.s. against the "new york times" clearly states that the "times" had a right to publish information as long as they didn't steal it. and you were requesting information and trying to find information like many others in the media what was coming next, correct? >> you
i had a right to talk with assange to speak with assange, to publish what assange had.just that i had no contact with assange. >> sean: "new york times" published it. >> yeah. >> sean: by the way you said to me you have never talked to julian assange. >> never. >> sean: neither has roger stone if i remember correctly. >> as far as i know. roger can speak for himself. i know for myself i have never spoken to julian assange directly or indirectly. no...
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assange.e communicated with assange. i believe the next crunch of documents pertain to the clinton foundation. but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> reporter: and sent this e-mail to sam nunberg, i dined with my new pal julian assange last night. stone would later explain it was a joke but it wasn't. wikileaks maintenance maintainst even a back channel. tweaking friday this is stone and corsi braggadocio. amid all of please conflicting statements we know that stone and wikileaks have communicated directly from these private messages. saying wikileaks since he's been defending he and assange, and a staff member replies in attempts to distance from stone. we appreciate that, however the false communication of associations have been used to undermine the impact of our publications. don't go there if you don't want us to correct you. the charges against mr. stone do not allege that will stone lied about his lack of contacts with julian assange. but rather about his contacts w
assange.e communicated with assange. i believe the next crunch of documents pertain to the clinton foundation. but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> reporter: and sent this e-mail to sam nunberg, i dined with my new pal julian assange last night. stone would later explain it was a joke but it wasn't. wikileaks maintenance maintainst even a back channel. tweaking friday this is stone and corsi braggadocio. amid all of please conflicting statements we know that stone...
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he was dining with assange? oh, it was a joke. i told randy credico to plead the fifth? oh, that was a joke. >> that's what i thought was striking. in the way mueller quoted the text, the dog text; the movie reference, we're taking this serious as a heart attack. bob mueller is not finding those to be funny at this point. that's what we know from the indictment. amara and shelby, thanks to both of you. >>> coming up, a big shake-up on late-breaking news on michael cohen's legal team. house intelligence committee member joins me, coming up. >>> also, my live interview as promised with a key mueller witness, a critical player against stone. that's right here on "the beat." you won't see it anywhere else tonight. >>> and the actual cost of donald trump's lies and falsehoods in the shutdown, a blunder so epic, his supporters are crying foul. >> i'm telling you how to get trump. he promised something for 18 months and he liked it. that's how you get trump. >> he just reversed himself. that's a victory for nancy pelosi. she has just whipped the president of the united states.
he was dining with assange? oh, it was a joke. i told randy credico to plead the fifth? oh, that was a joke. >> that's what i thought was striking. in the way mueller quoted the text, the dog text; the movie reference, we're taking this serious as a heart attack. bob mueller is not finding those to be funny at this point. that's what we know from the indictment. amara and shelby, thanks to both of you. >>> coming up, a big shake-up on late-breaking news on michael cohen's legal...
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mueller cites corsi, telling stone word is assange plans to more dumps, the friend in the embassy.s that collusion? corsi told his side right here on "the beat." >> you wrote to stone, quote, word is friend in the embassy plans two more dumps word is sounds like a reference to the word on the street or things you're hearing. >> i grant that. >> do you typically say word is before you share a thought that is your own deduction? >> well, over my entire life going -- jerry, you come up with these deductions that are often right, you're going to have trouble getting people to believe them. >> right there you have corsi helping stone's defense, arguing it was not collusion, maybe just attempted collusion, but then corsi hurt stone by backing up what mueller charged today, allegedly that roger stone did intend to obstruct and mislead congress >> and why did roger stone want you to lie about the podesta information? >> you'll have to ask roger stone. i was given immunity by the mueller prosecutors in order to make this testimony because my lawyer tid not want me to be held then for suborn
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then you have person two who stone touted about in assange.n one of his tv interviews, randy, person two, denies stone's depiction of him sharing information. the allegation for mr. stone is that you are the intermediary for assange and him. >> i had no idea things i may have said to him, but certainly did not pass information from assange to roger stone. >> today, mueller reveals e-mails that show him discussing what wikileaks might release. taking stone's request and passing it on for specific e-mails. it doesn't state if the request was acted on. mueller shows these people, the two men's relationship began to fray, charging stone threatened him to prevent him from cooperation and threatened his pet, stone writing he would, quote, take that dog away from you. stone is denying the charges today. the evidence was emerging in realtime. we asked him about stone's motivation for the threats. roger stone allegedly said to you, quote, i'm going to take that dog away from you. nothing you can do about it, paraphrasing. is stone trying to threaten yo
then you have person two who stone touted about in assange.n one of his tv interviews, randy, person two, denies stone's depiction of him sharing information. the allegation for mr. stone is that you are the intermediary for assange and him. >> i had no idea things i may have said to him, but certainly did not pass information from assange to roger stone. >> today, mueller reveals e-mails that show him discussing what wikileaks might release. taking stone's request and passing it on...
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to assange because he probably has the podesta emails.where the feds got jerome corsi is involved. julian assange came out and said jerome corsi had nothing to do with this? >> it was going to be roger stone, me, julian assange, i was going to connect the dots and go back to president trump. i maintain i figured out in july and august that assange had posses --that had podesta's ema. trish: did you ever talk to assange? i never communicated with him directly or indirectly. today wikileaks put out a statement that qulud wikileaks had never talked or shared information with jerome corsi, he mentioned my name, during the 2016 campaign about the emails that had been taken from the dnc. trish: but the fed don't believe that. >> i guess they don't believe anybody except they have a predetermined set theory look for a criminal. they have a crime and they know who the criminal was. donald trump and the white house. so the only facts mueller is interested in meet his predetermined theory. suddenly they want to say around liar and you are going to
to assange because he probably has the podesta emails.where the feds got jerome corsi is involved. julian assange came out and said jerome corsi had nothing to do with this? >> it was going to be roger stone, me, julian assange, i was going to connect the dots and go back to president trump. i maintain i figured out in july and august that assange had posses --that had podesta's ema. trish: did you ever talk to assange? i never communicated with him directly or indirectly. today wikileaks...
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the embassy is obviously julian assange, wikileaks.his, you are on vacation in italy, mid-summer, "second and october. impact planned to be very damaging." then it goes on to say "time to let more than the clinton campaign to be exposed as in bed with the enemy, if they are not ready to drop hrc. that appears to be the game. hackers are starting to suggest that hillary clinton is old, memory is bad, has a stroke. i expect much of the next dump focused, setting the stage for the foundation debacle." that sounds really very much a spot on to exactly what happened. >> i think the special prosecutor had a hard time, and probably the public does -- that was our 25th wedding anniversary, my wife and myself in italy. i had some time and really connected the dots, i figured out that julian massage had mike podesta's emails, and i was remarkably right about them. generally, the special prosecutor set i had to have a source. we spent the last 20, 40 hours of this gruesome interrogation -- i detail it in my book -- looking through all my contacts
the embassy is obviously julian assange, wikileaks.his, you are on vacation in italy, mid-summer, "second and october. impact planned to be very damaging." then it goes on to say "time to let more than the clinton campaign to be exposed as in bed with the enemy, if they are not ready to drop hrc. that appears to be the game. hackers are starting to suggest that hillary clinton is old, memory is bad, has a stroke. i expect much of the next dump focused, setting the stage for the...
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what i'm saying is, would he have met with assanging if assange -- i believe assange is, i'm not arguing he isn't would he have met with assanging? would he have strategized with assange? yes, he would have, but he didn't he was desperate what he did was, i think, unfortunately for him, is one, obviously made himself a public target everybody has been talking about these tweets he has done, the podesta tweets, tweets coming in october of 2016. you could see his explanation for it, but number two, what we do see from the indict is that he was trying to he was trying to but he didn't i can't tell you if he did i would think if he had the -- i could see roger having a camera and visiting with julian assange during the summer of 2016 because that is roger's mystique, that is the idea of being relevant, being part of the ruckus of the election but he didn't. >> talk a little bit more about that it's fascinating again, as a guy how worked so closely withen abknow in the level that you do, and here he is coming out and knowing you know, like we said, he self-proclaimed dirty trickster. he has t
what i'm saying is, would he have met with assanging if assange -- i believe assange is, i'm not arguing he isn't would he have met with assanging? would he have strategized with assange? yes, he would have, but he didn't he was desperate what he did was, i think, unfortunately for him, is one, obviously made himself a public target everybody has been talking about these tweets he has done, the podesta tweets, tweets coming in october of 2016. you could see his explanation for it, but number...
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he was using intermediaries who he thought could get messages directly to julian assange.the indictment doesn't say, conspiracy, collusion, so that might be coming, we don't know, but right here focused on lying to congress, witness tampering and obstruction, but the big question to me is what's not in the indictment, which is the details of exactly who in the trump campaign was communicating with roger stone about what assange had. >> danny, why didn't the indictment just lay that out there if it's going to have a vague reference, this passive aggressive reference to this person, why didn't they mention it there >> more than anything what's compelling is the doj policy for not naming entities or individuals that they're not charging with a crime. so to dispense with that and say the trump campaign and then say senior official and then add that that senior official was directed and you can assume that people only direct people who are beneath them, that seems to be a lot of extra information that you don't normally see in indictments unless there are there for a very speci
he was using intermediaries who he thought could get messages directly to julian assange.the indictment doesn't say, conspiracy, collusion, so that might be coming, we don't know, but right here focused on lying to congress, witness tampering and obstruction, but the big question to me is what's not in the indictment, which is the details of exactly who in the trump campaign was communicating with roger stone about what assange had. >> danny, why didn't the indictment just lay that out...
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assange and his radio show. so trump said find out what he knows, and there are all kinds of jobs. find out if there is anything more about their inabout to act effectively as sec fair of state. when he was asked about all of that he lied and he told his intermediary to lie as well and very colorfully the indictment said be like that guy in the godfather movie that lied when he was called before congress. >> if he doesn't lie before congress about his contacts, and if he was as specific, denying specific portions of "i didn't move documents from russians and things like this." would it be a crime to coordinate with wikileaks. >> well, so maybe, we're nibbling at a conspiracy here, right? pete is right i don't think this indictment of stone demonstrates at conspiracy, but it hints at one. is it a crime to coordinate, well if they knew, for instance, that wikileaks was getting their information from hacked dnc computers courtesy of russia, sure. but if they thought wikileaks just stumbled into it and they wanted i
assange and his radio show. so trump said find out what he knows, and there are all kinds of jobs. find out if there is anything more about their inabout to act effectively as sec fair of state. when he was asked about all of that he lied and he told his intermediary to lie as well and very colorfully the indictment said be like that guy in the godfather movie that lied when he was called before congress. >> if he doesn't lie before congress about his contacts, and if he was as specific,...
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what i said to him, but i did not pass frfgs from julian assange to roger stone.stone's request and passing it on for specific e-mails. it doesn't state in the request was acted on, but mueller shows these two men's relationship started to frey charging that stone threatened him to prevent him from cooperate and threatened his pet stone writing he would "take that dog away from you." stoep is denying these charges today, but the evidence is emerging in realtime and we asked about his motivation for the threats. >> he said i'm going to take that dog away from you ly prove to the world you're a liar, is stone in your view trying to threaten you so you will change your account of his activities in 2016 >> he's afraid i'm going to unload on him. >> we have been watching all of this, it may sound like a movie and that is deliberate the is a self pro claimed dirty trickster. and because this is 2019, this is the second time that reference has come up this very week michael cohen's lawyer invoked it to explain witness tampering last night when they talk about the god fat
what i said to him, but i did not pass frfgs from julian assange to roger stone.stone's request and passing it on for specific e-mails. it doesn't state in the request was acted on, but mueller shows these two men's relationship started to frey charging that stone threatened him to prevent him from cooperate and threatened his pet stone writing he would "take that dog away from you." stoep is denying these charges today, but the evidence is emerging in realtime and we asked about his...
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now, none of what stone or credico did with assange is illegal.ournalists did that kind of thing all the time. if the lying we are told must be punished with you jail time. okay. but, again, we have noted this before. what you are looking at here is a brand new standard of conduct, one that nobody has been paying close attention to this country for the last 20 years would even recognize there san awful lot of lying out there. an awful lot. a lot of not acknowledged as lying. every time an illegal immigrant lies to a federal immigration officer that's a felony. any time a politician lies under note congress that's a potential jail term. both of those happen a lot but nobody is ever charged for any of it. now, this is hardly a defense of lying. lying is bad. it's corrosive and one of the main problems with our political system, actually. everybody lies all the time. but there is, at least, one thing that is worse than lying. even lying under oath. and it's the selective application of federal law. one standard for the powerful and well-connected, fo
now, none of what stone or credico did with assange is illegal.ournalists did that kind of thing all the time. if the lying we are told must be punished with you jail time. okay. but, again, we have noted this before. what you are looking at here is a brand new standard of conduct, one that nobody has been paying close attention to this country for the last 20 years would even recognize there san awful lot of lying out there. an awful lot. a lot of not acknowledged as lying. every time an...
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. >> my whole investigation blew up because i don't have contact with julian assange.t 20 hours i detailed there were very abusive and i think out of order. >> who did they ask mostly about? >> they asked mostly about roger stone. >> roger and michael. >> roger stone. >> dodgy dossier allegations. >> no ho? who is that? >> those 35 pages. a lot of those specific details. >> the question is were they asking you about foreign contacts, oligarchs, who did they ask you about? >> everything sort of revolved around those 35 pages in the steele memorandums which were totally false as it relates to me. >> relates to you going to welsch and allegedly holding meetings. >> all of those allegations specifically were with two people i neff met in my life. >> their focus with you was contact with foreigners. >> for you contacts with his former lawyer going to jail and mr. stone. >> also foreign contacts. if you set me up against everybody in trump tower in the campaign i probably had more contact with russians than anybody combine. my ukraine mother-in-law is with us in buffalo righ
. >> my whole investigation blew up because i don't have contact with julian assange.t 20 hours i detailed there were very abusive and i think out of order. >> who did they ask mostly about? >> they asked mostly about roger stone. >> roger and michael. >> roger stone. >> dodgy dossier allegations. >> no ho? who is that? >> those 35 pages. a lot of those specific details. >> the question is were they asking you about foreign contacts,...
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i do not know assange, i have never communicated with him directly or indirectly.ess release d same he did not know me. so, what happens now? >> trish: they got roger stone, he clearly is not your biggest fan. is he going to say something that now has them on your doorstep. >> they always have the potential to indict me. it will only be for memory mistakes. if you read my book i said repeatedly they allow me to amended my testimony. i think today's arrest makes it less likely for me to be indicted. basically in the indictment as i passed a few e-mails on and that was part of my testimony from the beginning. >> trish: well, maybe it ends well. >> i think this is a positive development for me. i feel roger has been badly treated with his dawn breaking into his house, gestapo like. i prefer faster and i'm sorry to see them go through it. roger said he is confident he will win the law case. i am confident i did nothing wrong. >> trish: doctor corsi, good to see you. good luck. good to see you. coming up, we have a closer look at nicolas maduro's brutal socialist regime
i do not know assange, i have never communicated with him directly or indirectly.ess release d same he did not know me. so, what happens now? >> trish: they got roger stone, he clearly is not your biggest fan. is he going to say something that now has them on your doorstep. >> they always have the potential to indict me. it will only be for memory mistakes. if you read my book i said repeatedly they allow me to amended my testimony. i think today's arrest makes it less likely for me...
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assange, i have not met with mr. assange. i never said i had.id i e communicated through an intermediary, somebody who is a mutual friend. >> schifrin: today'stment also accuses stone of trying to intimidate that intermediary, believed to be comedian randy credico, and trying to get him to lie to congress "on multiple occasions, stone told person 2"-- believed to be credico-- "that person 2 should do a 'frank pentangeli'"... >> i don't know nuttin' about that! >> schifrin: ...a reference to a "godfather ii" character, that tells congresse doesn't know critical information, that he did in fact know.s >> my nameger stone, and i'm an agent provocateur. >> schifrin: stone is a self- proclaimed "dirty trickster," an outspoken fan of former president richard nixon, and a long-time republican prince of the dark arts, or opposition research he documents his style in the 2017 netflix film, "get me roger stone." >> f: example, a stone's rule "it is better to be famous than never be famous at all." >> schifrin: he's known mr. trump for
assange, i have not met with mr. assange. i never said i had.id i e communicated through an intermediary, somebody who is a mutual friend. >> schifrin: today'stment also accuses stone of trying to intimidate that intermediary, believed to be comedian randy credico, and trying to get him to lie to congress "on multiple occasions, stone told person 2"-- believed to be credico-- "that person 2 should do a 'frank pentangeli'"... >> i don't know nuttin' about that!...
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lawyers for julian assange are moving to try and compel the trump administration to unseal charges it secretly filed against the wikileaks founder. ken dilanian covers intelligence for nbc news. what are we learning about? put it into some context. >> a filing by the lawyers for an sack to the interamerican commission on rights. the news of this filing is wikileaks is saying federal prosecutors have been pressing witnesses both in the united states and in iceland and in germany to testify against julian assange in exchange for immunity. wikileaks says those have been people involved in various disclosures by wikileaks about the iraq and afghanistan war, about the cia and other things portraying this as an attack by the united states on wikileaks as a journalistic organization. they make no mention of wikileaks role in leaking those hacked democratic e-mails stolen by the russians. of course, that's the sub text here. we don't know what the sealed charges are against julian assange but do know the united states has declared assange and wikileaks, essentially a hostile intelligence orga
lawyers for julian assange are moving to try and compel the trump administration to unseal charges it secretly filed against the wikileaks founder. ken dilanian covers intelligence for nbc news. what are we learning about? put it into some context. >> a filing by the lawyers for an sack to the interamerican commission on rights. the news of this filing is wikileaks is saying federal prosecutors have been pressing witnesses both in the united states and in iceland and in germany to testify...
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i never communicated with assange or wikileaks other than the limited on twitter direct message which i gave to the house intelligence committee last september i guess it was. >> so stone denies any of the guilt in these charges. but given a case that prosecutors have built against him and from your expert opinion, how serious is this for him and what does it mean for the man he once advised? >> it is pretty serious and it's probably going to get more serious. when he calls a process crime is a series of lies to congressional committees who are -- were investigating the streamly grave topic of whether russia interfered in the 2016 election. this is not a stray or immaterial misstatement say to an fbi act. but the indictment, in addition, really implicates stone in conduct involving the coordination and even the incitygation of the release of the hacked e-mails that russia obtained and then passed through to julian assange. in other words, i think mueller has begun to lay a predicate for substantive crimes involving the effort on stone's part to influence the election. he is now sugges
i never communicated with assange or wikileaks other than the limited on twitter direct message which i gave to the house intelligence committee last september i guess it was. >> so stone denies any of the guilt in these charges. but given a case that prosecutors have built against him and from your expert opinion, how serious is this for him and what does it mean for the man he once advised? >> it is pretty serious and it's probably going to get more serious. when he calls a...
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something to happen the past few days that ties into all of this is julian assange, his lawyers filederage application. he doesn't want to be extradited to the u.s. so they filed an application with the inter-american commission on human rights asking for u.s. prosecutors to unseal any of these secret charges we have learned about in the media. do you think -- because julian assange, andy, is that the center of all this -- in these secret charges, if the prosecutors are forced to unseal them, without give us any more clue as to whether he had any direct involvement with the campaign? >> andy: i think it, clearly, if they unsealed anything on him that we would have a much better read of what it is. i don't think there is snowball's chance that the justice department or the u.s. courts will unseal these things, because they get asked by -- whether it's assange or an international tribunal. if i was the attorney general and it was my call, i would say, "show up here in the united states, surrender yourself, you will get all the discovery and the due process you are entitled to. until tha
something to happen the past few days that ties into all of this is julian assange, his lawyers filederage application. he doesn't want to be extradited to the u.s. so they filed an application with the inter-american commission on human rights asking for u.s. prosecutors to unseal any of these secret charges we have learned about in the media. do you think -- because julian assange, andy, is that the center of all this -- in these secret charges, if the prosecutors are forced to unseal them,...
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some m trump campaign to ask what wikileaks had after stone had bragged that he was in touch with assange himself. now, there'so documentation that he ever did that, that he in fact contacted assange through intermediaries. and the secon thing the special prosecutor says here, the mueller,counsel, robert is that he urged another man, a talk show host, to lieo congress when he was asked about all of this, telling him that he shou plead the fifth, invoking the name of a character from thr "godfa movie who was called before congress and falsely claims he didn't know anything and saying at one point to this termediary, if you don't lie to congress, i'll take your dog. lester. b >> there will those who already are parsing this indictment, pete. what does it n say? we know, of course, this investigation has been about this whole issue of collusion. does it tie him to communications with th russians? >> no, it does not. here's what it doesn't say. itoesn't say that he was directly in touch with the russians. it doesn't even say that he was directly in touch wit wikileaks. but roger stone brought
some m trump campaign to ask what wikileaks had after stone had bragged that he was in touch with assange himself. now, there'so documentation that he ever did that, that he in fact contacted assange through intermediaries. and the secon thing the special prosecutor says here, the mueller,counsel, robert is that he urged another man, a talk show host, to lieo congress when he was asked about all of this, telling him that he shou plead the fifth, invoking the name of a character from thr...
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. >> he never directly spoke or had direct contact with julian assange. >> he published thousands of e-mails from the 2016. >> you resigned from the dnc because of the revelation in those e-mails. what is the allegation that a top trump campaign official was directed to contact roger stone to get more information from wikileaks about these hacked e-mails. >> they have had -- they are just -- they were infected with contact with russia. they have had six or seven indicted or people -- indicted officials or people associated with them who pleaded guilty. all of whom were involved with contact with russia somehow. and in this case, with roger stone. he literally weaponized information stolen by vladimir putin to help elect donald trump president. >> he worked with high level campaign officials from the trump campaign. who were directed by someone even higher. essentially to make sure that they could traffic in information stolen by a foreign enemy state to elect the candidate that he supported, president of the united states. and it was a disgusting and traitorous act, and it needs to b
. >> he never directly spoke or had direct contact with julian assange. >> he published thousands of e-mails from the 2016. >> you resigned from the dnc because of the revelation in those e-mails. what is the allegation that a top trump campaign official was directed to contact roger stone to get more information from wikileaks about these hacked e-mails. >> they have had -- they are just -- they were infected with contact with russia. they have had six or seven indicted...
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stone knew, his relationship with julian assange of wikileaks, the hacked e-mails, the release of the, the actual when the remails would be released and trump campaign wanting to know what's going on and then as saying the shoe's going to drop. and make no assumptions or make any conclusions, but when you're considered about things concerning what you did and you're a select committee in the house and they directly ask you questions, and you don't answer those questions truthfully, and we have the documents which would suggest you answered the questions falsely. and we have radio interviews and television interviews and public statements that suggest that you're amiss, there's a problem here. so, he is in world, stone, of hurt, concerning what he said and the misleading nature of that, in terms what collusion, what coordination went on, we'll wait and see. but it seems that mueller is a pretty thorough guy. >> so the theatrics as stone characterized what happened at his home is what? >> look, i think the viewers need to understand the fbi doesn't make decisions as to how somebody is b
stone knew, his relationship with julian assange of wikileaks, the hacked e-mails, the release of the, the actual when the remails would be released and trump campaign wanting to know what's going on and then as saying the shoe's going to drop. and make no assumptions or make any conclusions, but when you're considered about things concerning what you did and you're a select committee in the house and they directly ask you questions, and you don't answer those questions truthfully, and we have...
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i actually have communicated with assange.ve the next trunth of documents pertain to the clinton foundation but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> stone famously would go on to cite that communication through intermediaries and then sent the tweet, quote, it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel." that's been explained as reference to john podesta and his brother tony. on october 4th, julian assange said they would publish those e-ma e-mail 2016 and within three days of the "access hollywood" tapes release, boom, wikileaks starts releasing john podesta e-mails and that would continue daily throughout the homestretch of the campaign. trump also, we should note, mentioned wikileaks dozens of times during events in that homestretch. >> did you see where on wikileaks it was announced they were paying protesters to be violent, $1,500. wikileaks just came out with a new one. just a little while ago, it's just been shown that a rigged system with more collusion, possibly illegal, between the department of jus
i actually have communicated with assange.ve the next trunth of documents pertain to the clinton foundation but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> stone famously would go on to cite that communication through intermediaries and then sent the tweet, quote, it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel." that's been explained as reference to john podesta and his brother tony. on october 4th, julian assange said they would publish those e-ma e-mail 2016 and within...
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julian assange we know, from his previous experience, is anti-american.e has been responsible for tangible harm to american national security. why in the world would anyone if associated with the trump campaign want to have anything to do with julian assange? and isn't that sleazy behavior that should be rejected politically? >> well, it is sleazily behavior. roger stone specializes in sleazy behavior. but again, i want to emphasize there is the idea here that the trump campaign was in collusion with the russians -- paul: right. and there's no evidence in the four corners of this indictment of any of that. >> yeah. and think back to the trump campaign through this period of 2015-2016. paul if, it was virtually a pick-up basketball team -- paul: and a bad one. >> and a bad one. they were just throwing a campaign together. paul manafort became the director of the campaign partly because stone recommended him, and partly because donald trump knew him because he lived in trump tower. the idea that they could have orchestrated something this sophisticated real
julian assange we know, from his previous experience, is anti-american.e has been responsible for tangible harm to american national security. why in the world would anyone if associated with the trump campaign want to have anything to do with julian assange? and isn't that sleazy behavior that should be rejected politically? >> well, it is sleazily behavior. roger stone specializes in sleazy behavior. but again, i want to emphasize there is the idea here that the trump campaign was in...
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experts and they say that is another potential criminal charge because wiki leaks founder julian assange is a foreign national campaign finance laws make it very clear you can take nothing of value from a foreign entity or foreign person to aid in any sort of federal campaign and i think it would be indisputable that obviously the leaked e-mails were a benefit to the trump campaign let's not forget let's look back there were some very damaging audio that came out had thirty minutes later the wiki leaks dump happened and you saw equal coverage in the american media about both the clinton campaign. and some of that damaging audio from donald trump where he bragged about being able to grab women in sensitive places so this is just the beginning roger stone sending a message he's not going to flip on the president and he's got he gets to go home so there's a little going to be less pressure on him to do that it's not like he's going to be thinking about his life behind bars tell us a little bit more about the exact charges that have been levied against him. ok so there's one charge of basica
experts and they say that is another potential criminal charge because wiki leaks founder julian assange is a foreign national campaign finance laws make it very clear you can take nothing of value from a foreign entity or foreign person to aid in any sort of federal campaign and i think it would be indisputable that obviously the leaked e-mails were a benefit to the trump campaign let's not forget let's look back there were some very damaging audio that came out had thirty minutes later the...
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and it was a friday afternoon or so and roger said to me, oh, i met with julian assange. said, roger told me that they were going to release information about the clinton foundation my initial -- initially, i said to him, well, does he have any new information about benghazi and i would point to the fact that assange didn't release anything related to either one, so at that -- so, did i believe him initially when he told me? i didn't have any reason not to believe him, but when it didn't pan out and roger started making these public statements, i thought that this was just another, you know, dangerous but publicity-type sinking stunt by roger to stay relevant within the campaign and within the public sphere of the campaign. >> all right jill winebanks. >> sam, i would like to ask you because i think people would like to know, the evidence now gathered and presented in this indictment is so strong against roger. >> right. >> and he's still saying i'm not going to plead guilty, i am going to stand firm. when is someone going to get to him to make him realize that he is goin
and it was a friday afternoon or so and roger said to me, oh, i met with julian assange. said, roger told me that they were going to release information about the clinton foundation my initial -- initially, i said to him, well, does he have any new information about benghazi and i would point to the fact that assange didn't release anything related to either one, so at that -- so, did i believe him initially when he told me? i didn't have any reason not to believe him, but when it didn't pan...
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but he denies he ever communicated with assange. >> i have i believe figured out that assange had podesta'si did tell this not only to roger but to others, and it turned out i was right. now, that was deduction on my part. as best i can remember i was putting together the dots. >> reporter: the "access hollywood" tape rocked the trump campaign. as crist christie the former new jersey governor who advised trump during the campaign recalls in his book. >> the tape was hard to watch, it was harder to listen to. the words sounded crude and vulgar playing through the small speaker on hope hick's laptop, even more so with him sitting right there with us. >> reporter: he vehemently denies it. >> jerry corsi is clearly delusional. >> reporter: stone has pleaded not guilty to seven charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and witness tampering. and even though corsi says he shared the "access hollywood" saga with mueller's team and the grand jury, it wasn't referenced in the indictment. >> there wasn't any evidence of that in the public record that we know of, absent that it seems
but he denies he ever communicated with assange. >> i have i believe figured out that assange had podesta'si did tell this not only to roger but to others, and it turned out i was right. now, that was deduction on my part. as best i can remember i was putting together the dots. >> reporter: the "access hollywood" tape rocked the trump campaign. as crist christie the former new jersey governor who advised trump during the campaign recalls in his book. >> the tape was...
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for what it did for me and mine and i would consider assange a traitor.ot my plate of soup would roger stone be involved with zblaung who knows what people do to get power, you know power is a terrible thing to want because sometimes you'll do until chicago to get it. having another president out of your belt? well, that's something people wish they have. >> have you been contacted looking into russia election med snlg. >> no, and that's good news for me. >> all right thank you, hank. >> grateful to be here. >> the road ahead in the battle of the border wall, what is needed to avoid another dead end. man: i'm here with the cortezs, lawsons, carnevales, at their family reunion to show them the family of chevy suvs. all: (cheering) this is the trax, the equinox, and the traverse. looks amazing. so, which one's your favorite? going for the trax, actually. it's more compact. man: the traverse? equinox is jumping out at me. that red is saying, like, "i'm a fun car." if i wanted to be a cool dad, the traverse. i like the blue one. the red one. and i would take
for what it did for me and mine and i would consider assange a traitor.ot my plate of soup would roger stone be involved with zblaung who knows what people do to get power, you know power is a terrible thing to want because sometimes you'll do until chicago to get it. having another president out of your belt? well, that's something people wish they have. >> have you been contacted looking into russia election med snlg. >> no, and that's good news for me. >> all right thank...
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trying to get in touch with assange. and his organization wikileaks are of course connected to the russian intelligence service and vladimir putin after russian hackers stole democratic e-mails and released them through wikileaks, which was part of the attempts to influence the u.s. election. stone is deeply connected to donald trump, serving as an adviser for years -- >> decades. >> stone himself may not be the main target here. in the indictments, stone references what's app, an encrypted messaging service. the fbi raid seized several devices. the search may have been met to prevent stone from erasing or destroying the data. giving the special counsel a look into communications with other players in the russian drama and russian hackers themselves. >> call me naive, at this point, don't you think he would have deleted his device? >> i do wonder. we talk about stone being arrested or indicted for months. so if that was meant to be the don't delete stuff from your device thing, not sure i believe that. >> joining us, nbc
trying to get in touch with assange. and his organization wikileaks are of course connected to the russian intelligence service and vladimir putin after russian hackers stole democratic e-mails and released them through wikileaks, which was part of the attempts to influence the u.s. election. stone is deeply connected to donald trump, serving as an adviser for years -- >> decades. >> stone himself may not be the main target here. in the indictments, stone references what's app, an...
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its founder, julian assange and online persona gussifer 2.0. that suggests there's more to it than meets the eye. can you make any sense of that for us? >> absolutely. we don't know what we don't know about the special counsel's investigation. the grand jury continues. it was extended in early january for at least six more months. or up to six more months. the special counsel can go ahead and investigate charges against other individuals or additional charges against roger stone so it doesn't really indicate that there's been any termination of any investigation against roger stone or others. in fact, the suggestion is that the investigation continues full force. >> all right. so to the extent we keep hearing comments about this investigation perhaps wrapping up and being presented to the attorney general's office sometime in february, i think you said it well, we don't know what we don't know. >> that's absolutely right. what the special counsel is doing is he is proceeding very deliberately and very strategically. i think what this indictment
its founder, julian assange and online persona gussifer 2.0. that suggests there's more to it than meets the eye. can you make any sense of that for us? >> absolutely. we don't know what we don't know about the special counsel's investigation. the grand jury continues. it was extended in early january for at least six more months. or up to six more months. the special counsel can go ahead and investigate charges against other individuals or additional charges against roger stone so it...