a reminder of who scott atlas is. he is a neuro radiologist. his resume looks pretty good at first glance. attended university of chicago school of medicine, former chief of neuro radiology at stanford university medical center. as i said before, on paper his credentials may sing, but anti-science blathering blows. he is a conservative media darling, going on the president's favorite cable news channel to say things the president likes to hear, touting herd immunity as solution to the virus from early days of the pandemic to as recently as last week. >> you can allow a lot of people to infected, those who are not at risk to die or have serious hospital requiring illness. we should be fine with letting them infected, generating immunity on their own, and the more i am unmmunity in the comm the better we can eradicate the threat of the virus, including the threat to people who are vulnerable. that's what herd immunity is. >> problem is, you can't do that without killing people. remember, herd i mmunity is nota health strategy. letting it rip thro

scott atlas. we've met him before on this program. he's not an em deemologist, virologist, he's a radiologist. you have to go to a lot of school for that. it's expertise, but that's 9 guy that looks at your mri, all right? he has the president's attention and got it by going on trump tv and telling the president what the president wants to hear despite being not qualified to discuss what he is discussing. he's basically a right wing hack with a medical degree. he says we should expose most of the parties even though that means it's done. that's who trump is listening to more than any other scientist if you want to call a radiologist a scientist. that guy. a great new piece in the washington post about he's wreaking havoc, slowing testing and i'm going to talk to a reporter who wrote that piece. scott atlas is a senior fellow at the hoover institution when you take a second to think about it, it tells you all you need to know. the hoover institution is a rich right winger group. they said, you know whose reputation we need to resuscita

atlas showed up on the scene. tell us about this, tell us about their relationship. >> it was tense. it was very tense. you have dr. birx, who has been every day working tirelessly for countless hours with dr. fauci and other people on the task force. she has been -- i saw her wake up at 4:00 in the morning to prepare the slides for the day. those were informing fema and others on where ppe was really needed and what the hot spots were going to be. this is how you make policy. you get the experts at the table and you hash it out. so when dr. atlas walked in, i call him scott atlas because i don't think he deserves the title doctor. he just perpetuates dangerous lies. i don't blame her for getting fed up. she's had to deal with horrible dynamics within the white house. i've seen it firsthand. i've seen the vice president's team completely disparage her at times. they rolled their eyes at her, as well. that is how she's been treated for months. this is someone who i have seen take up fights when it mattered. >> john

atlas.te him a letter trying to convince him on the virtues of expanding testing and tracing in this country. why did you write him that letter? >> well, a mutual friend asked me to write dr. atlas, so i full like it was low probability endeavor but i was willing to give it a try. >> when you wrote him saying you would like to see testing vastly expanded in this country, how did he respond? >> well, you know, i go into a conversation like this with the presumption reasonable people can differ. so it is not a problem if somebody says they disagree with me, they think i'm wrong. what i'm looking for are things like, first, coherence. does the argument make sense? or as in this case, is he just stringing together a bunch of statements with "and." it wasn't coherent. second, you look for specifics. one of the statements was, "and you mentioned are not." are not is badly measured, but no specifics about why it is badly measured or why it bears on the arguments. finally, when there are specifics,

atlas does not want expanded testing reportedly. atlas doesn't think testing helps. he's opposed to it for some reason. so as part of this stimulus or relief deal, the democrats are asking for more testing. steve mnuchin may be willing to give on testing, but if atlas has the president's ear on it, we don't know where that will go. >> john, in the context of the public health discussion, scott atlas is a kook. he said that tweet over the weekend mask wearing does not work, contradicted by brett fw giroir and everyone who works in public health, contradicted about i mitch mcconnell who has been a faithful proponent of mask wearing and the merits of mask wearing. that's why this is a very disconnected kind of conversation. president trump, as he trails joe biden in the polls substantially has lost his ability to move senate republicans. senate republicans are not inclined to move and the president has this strange fringe outlier in the public health debate in his ear and all that lends is a completely multi-sided discussions that is not likely to get to the finish line

atlas has a medical degree. he doesn't have the infectious disease or public health background. >> one thing that really there's a policy fight. this blows peoples mind. $9 billion in a government account. unspent for national testing. congress allocated it for testing. anyone who needs can get a test. atlas who is posed to testing has quashed proposals and argued young and healthy people do not need to get tested. he is stopping the government from spending money it already has to test. >> birx and dr. fauci have been pushing hard for weeks to ramp up testing. especially as experts predict a devastating winter. deaths could reach 400,000. we saw the infx rate go back up to 70,000 on friday. dr. fauci said anyone who wants a test should be able to get it. and have results returned quickly. some of the at home test kits. those should be distributed. that's one fairly efficient inexpensive way to expand testing. and those proposals have been shot down. he is like the article states against surveillance testing. an

scott atlas and apparently decisions made in one key state, florida.ohn avalon joins us with a cnn exclusive. john? >> remember this -- >> when you do testing to that extent you're going to find more people, you're going to find more cases. so i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> trump's aides said the president was joking after that june rally in tulsa, but he wasn't joking. he was doctor shopping. he found what he was looking for in dr. scott atlas, a neuro oolg gist, not an infectious disease expert who we had seen on fox news. atlas joined the white house on august 10th and soon became president trump's primary pandemic adviser, pushing aside more experienced and trusted advisers like dr. fauci and dr. burke. atlas revised cdc guidelines to deemphasize the need to test people without symptoms. this was later reversed when cdc scientists objected, but atlas shared this view with state officials including republican florida governor ron desantis and others. the general tone one health official of the president said was like desantis

atlas tweeted?> what it looks like is he's trying to make masks a battlefield in his ongoing war against science. about 217,000 people now are casualties of that war. there is no evidence and certainly no consensus of the scientists, either in public or the scientists that work on the task force or the scientists that work in the administration, none of them have reached any sort of consensus that says that masks do not work. you have these folks who push these theories about why masks aren't the ray wight way to go. seems to be more broadly in line with trying to look at what the president has done on the coronavirus which is minimal. and then to tailor their interpretation of the science to make the president feel good about himself. and this -- this pandemic response led by one man's ego rather than a pandemic response led by the science is exactly why the united states bltit it' for nearly 20% of deaths in the whole world to coronavirus. it looks like atlas is another of these handpicked crony d

atlas is described as corrosive and dangerous, quote, atlas shot town attempts to expand testing andd with other doctors on the coronavirus task force. and succeeded in largely sidelining them.

atlas. dr. atlas is counseling a course which is going to lead if followed to many hundreds of thousands if not many millions of americans' deaths. it is a very, very dangerous policy that everybody in the public health community worldwide disavows. it is a -- it's a deadly, deadly policy that is being advocated. just let it rip. ask somebody like chris christie what these superspreader events are like. and if you could, but you can't, ask herman cain the same question. these are deadly events the president is holding. he's pouring fuel onto the fire of this epidemic. >> all right. thank you all. i appreciate it. sobering point there. herman cain of course dead after he attended a trump rally. >>> up next president trump is in arizona right now, a state crucial to his path to 270 electoral votes. so can he win it? we go to the magic wall. >>> plus it's one of the most closely watched senate races. it is tight. i'm going to talk to the man taking on incumbent senator david perdue who has been fac

and since atlas took over.at to use the term doctor shopping, but it almost feels like this is what president trump did until he found someone in the medical field who agreed with him about things like efficacy of masks, children being immune and not having the virus. so these are all things just opposed to the feelings of dr. birx and so she has since hit the road. she can be in as many as three or four states in one week. she is on the ground doing work talking to state and local officials trying to spread the word about protecting different parts of america as they now are experiencing surges in the virus that they hadn't seen before. so she is not only up against the virus, she is now up against the administration and the coronavirus task force where she used to be a part is now on the of her realm. >> and let's remember dr. atlas' comments about mask wearing were so wrong that twitter blocked it. he has to take complete -- i think it was labeled a misleading tweet. you don't go to a podiatrist if you have

atlas, with no background in public health.e of the qualifications that any american would look for to handle something as important as this, is not just putting out false tweets. but you have to imagine this is kind of reverberated as dr. birx's frustration indicates throughout all levels of the white house. when you have someone that trusted by the president, it's no wonder that everything coming out of the white house is chaotic. no clear message, and falsehoods that are unfortunately costing americans their lives. >> and to be clear, dr. atlas has cultivated president trump. president trump seems to trust him. part of it the post reports is because atlas said things reassuring him the pandemic would be nearly over soon, a vaccine could be help, something that experts say it's not magic powder. it's not a magic bullet you snap your fingers and everything is fixed. when you talk about the surge we're seeing, the third wave. even with the attempt to undermine the president, slamming the article, obviously. what does the messag

atlas has the president's ear. and dr. fauci seems to be already daring the president to fire him or pick a fight with him. listen to more of this conversation on "60 minutes". >> were you surprised president trump got sick? >> absolutely not. i was worried he was going to get sick when i saw him in a completely precarious situation of crowded, no separation between people, and almost nobody wearing a mask. >> i do not, and nor will i ever, publicly endorse any political candidate. and here i am, they're sticking me right in the middle of a campaign ad, which i thought was outrageous. >> he is being public with a purpose right now. number one, the president shouldn't have me in his campaign ads and number two, i thought the president might get sick because the president is routinely behaving in a reckless way, my interpretation of that. >> that's the truth. it may sound political because he's saying it in a way that's so public and straightforward and we don't normally hear that from people close to power. but the presiden

scott atlas is a big reason for that. many of the doctors are frustrated by what he is telling the president. they believe it is contrary what their data and science shows. dr. atlas brushed it off as saying it is just discussions we're having, if there's no push back, it is not a good discussion. the concern is that there's information getting to the president that he is pushing when he is questioning something like use of masks like he did last week at the town hall with nbc. and dr. birx went from having the president's attention, she was the one he brought to briefings, she was the one he took on the road with her. now dr. atlas who he watched on fox news and brought to the white house as an adviser has taken that position. he is the one the president is speaking to often. that's coming into concern to people like dr. fauci. he talks about dr. fauci, trashing him on the call. he hasn't done similar with dr. birx, but trashing him saying he is a disaster, and praising dr. atlas, calling him one of the greatest doctors

scott atlas. we're told she emerged from a meeting late this summer at the white house that she wasn't going to sit there and talk about misleading information she believed about the pandemic. so that's why we've seen her on the road so much in wyoming, north dakota, montana, the places she has been this week, nearly 40 states where she goes and meets with these local officials because he was getting more time with the president, and wolf, she was getting less. >> that's very sad indeed. our kaitlan collins reporting for us. thank you very much. let's get more on the biden campaign's fight for florida at this hour. the former vice president is holding an event in tampa. so who are the voters biden is trying to reach in this key battleground state? >> well, wolf, joe biden will be here in tampa in just a short while. this is part of the i-4 corridor area, which is home to a booming population that includes a wide swath of voters with biden trying to appeal to older voter, young voters, latinos, as

scott atlas. dr. atlas, do you believe that should biden win his experts will urge, if there are covid cases popping in january, urge us to lock down again? >> hey, laura. thanks for having me. anyone who is talking about doing another lockdown has really not been paying attention for the last seven months and is simply out of touch with average americans. because the lockdowns have been the -- the prolonged lockdowns are a complete disaster. they're a complete disaster for missed health care. they're a complete disaster for average working families. and particularly for people who are working-class and lower-income people. people have been killed by people who want to have prolonged lockdowns, and when i say "killed" i look at the datad that means, for instance, this week it was shown that 46% of the most common types of cancers were not diagnosed during the lockdown. those cancers didn't disappear.l they're there. people will present with much later, more widespread disease. half of people who had c

atlas' claim.as happy to see them censored anyway. >> the man is scott atlas and the influence of atlantis is not an expert in disease or pandemic has described in "the washington post" as corrosive and dangerous. >> he lies so egregiously that twitter took him down this morning for his lie about masks. he's gaining in power and control at the very moment of the virus entering its targets phase. >> tucker: thought was nicole wallace, ought to be ashamed, as long as she benefits from them. by the way of course a noted expert on disease epidemics. dr. scott atlas is a physician, never a flack, doctor, thank you for coming on. twitter censored you for saying what? what did you say that they won't let you say? >> thank you for having me. there is many things nods, and one i'm not a professional tweet writer so it wasn't perfect, but when i was trying to point out is that mask mandates for the general population haven't worked in a variety of places. and the evidence which was los angeles county, miami-

atlas is trying to say? >> that statement is false and frustrating and it's concerning that opinion is guiding the president of the united states. we've seen in numerous studies the benefit of wearing a mask and reducing the risk of transmission and exposure to covid-19 and we've seen how this plays out on a regional level. according to the covid tracking project, southern and mid western states account for 70% of new cases. many of these states do not have mask mandates in place. in south dakota, that has no mask mandate, it's leading in terms of covid-19 rates and has surpassed 75% icu capacity. it's quite simple. wearing a mask can reduce the risk of transmission and exposure to covid-19 and ultimately infection. and if we all participate, save thousands of lives. >> lastly, new york governor andrew cuomo has unveiled a vaccine distribution plan. he says it would begin with health care workers and nursing home residents followed by first responder and teachers, people over 65 and then healthy adults and c

atlas has the president's ear this fall. and frankly, conspirator yal theories and the task force including advocating for herd immunity, including questioning whether or not wearing masks makes a difference in the big city. what the president wants to hear, is that the pan determine si pandemic is nearly over. and frankly obviously not true according to the data that we all see with our own eyes, but he has been a divisive force. and the other doctors view him as ill informed, dishonest, and manipulative. >> fill, another pete that caught my eye in your reporting was about testing. it has been lagging in this country and you write this, they advocated to increase the nation's testing capacity as experts anticipate a devastating increase in cases this winter. they urge the government to use unspent money so that anyone who needs to get a test can get a test with results returned quickly. but atlat as repeatedly quashed these proposals. this is, is what atlas is saying here is that they only have enough testing for certain ar

scott atlas is a neuroradiologist. he is not an expert on infectious diseases but president trump on fox spewing his nonsense that the president likes so he is now on the coronavirus task force alienating the other doctors on the force, doctors who are experts on infectious disease. i can't think of anything more emm emblematic that twitter had to remove from tweet from dr. atlas. it was false and it was against masks. >> look. right. it was false. he wrote masks question members of the task force called -- but you probably saw some of the response, tweets to dr. atlas' tweets even from the members of the task force. masks, yes. it's ludicrous. no wonder the country has whiplash on this sort of thing. dr. atlas may be a smart guy but we should not listening to him at this point. it is harmful. it is dangerous. he will be upset that i've said this but how can he -- the science around masks decreasing transmission at this point is very clear. when you wear a mask, you decrease transmission roughly six-fold and according

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atlas. again, dr. atlas is not an infectious disease expert. he's not an epidemiologist. he doesn't treat covid patients and doesn't work on vaccines. he's good in you need an mri. he also has the president's ear. he also believes fewer nonsymptomatic people should be tested for covid. cnn has learned that he shared that view with florida governor ron desantis during a visit last august. to focus less on universal testing and more on opening the economy and schools. according to a cnn analysis of official state numbers assembled by the covid tracking project, that push coincided with a dramatic drop in testing across the state. that as the background we're joined by cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and an infectious disease expert at florida international university. dr. marty, today is the third consecutive day that florida reported more than 4,000 new covid cases in a single day. what is going on in the state? we are having another rise in cases. absolutely, there's no doub

scott atlas, who he had seen on fox news. he joined the white house on august 10th, soon became president trump's primary pandemic adviser, pushing aside more experienced advisers like dr. fauci and dr. birx. atlas strongly supported the decision in august to revise cdc guidelines to de-emphasize the need to test, but he shared this view with state officials, including governor ron desantis and others, including from transcripts of public events. it is general toe as if he decided to give a lecture on rocket science. >> the purpose of testing is to stop people from dying. when you start introducing closure of schools because people have positive asymptomatic tests, that's sort of not the purpose of testing. >> we're in agreement on focusing strategies in school on people who are symptomatic. >> the point of all these things are to save lives, not to document asymptomatic people who are low risk. i have been speaking can governor desantis for quite a while about the pandemic, and he's really an example of doing something with

atlas but dr. atlas is apparently telling the president what he wants to hear. we will have a former cdc director shortly to discuss herd mentality, as the president has called it. dr. anthony fauci does not believe in that and he is not telling the president what he wants to hear. here he is talking about the white house reception for amy coney barrett. the one which most people, including the president and dr. atlas, were not wearing masks. >> were you surprised that president trump got sick? >> absolutely not. i was worried that he was going to get sick when i saw him in a completely precarious situation of crowded, no separation between people, and almost nobody wearing a mask. when i saw that on tv, i said, oh, my goodness. nothing good can come out of that. that's got to be a problem. and then, sure enough, it turned out to be a superspreader event. >> which is certainly true given how many people attended the event, subsequently became ill, including the president, former new jersey governor chris christie, who came away seemingly chastened by his experie

scott atlas is a neuroradiologist.and what president trump likes to do. he likes to get like oral surgeons who are not experts on infectious disease attest to either how great he is or how the pandemic should be treated, how the federal response should be. these are not experts in infectious disease. you wouldn't go see a podiatrist for a toothache! >> no. what is amazing to me he is just reinforcing what the president already believes. that is the striking thing and that has become a pattern, that has become really clear, not only with dr. scott atlas but with some of the president's personal own doctors. dr. scott al lass might be a very smart guy but what he is doing right now is reinforcing these beliefs. he tweets out masks no. that tweet has to be taken down. he advocates for herd communities everybody in the health community thinks is a terrible and disastrous and deadly idea. it's not guidance. it's just reinforcement. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thanks. >>> dozens of people in the uk will be affected with kaylee hart

scott atlas is the president's go-to adviser on the coronavirus. new cnn reporting goes inside his push to test mainly symptomatic people even as medical experts warn about the dangers of asymptomatic spread. dr. atlas shared those views with governors like florida's ron desantis. during a stop in the state in august said this. >> when you start introducing closure of schools because people have positive, asymptomatic tests, that's sort of not the purpose of testing. >> reporter: the rise of atlas within the task force has coincided with what friends have described as the self exile of dr. deborah birx. she now spends her days on the road advising state officials on transmission rates. today the president focused less on covid-19 cases and instead on the third quarter economic growth number he has been waiting to tout for weeks. >> wait until you see that number in gdp. i don't know what it is. the fed said it may be a 35% increase in gdp. >> reporter: the economy grew a record 7.4% from july to september, which means at an annualized rate, the gro

atlas tweeted, "masks do not work" even though we know that they do.ing sources in the administration s says he has advocated for herd immunity which experts say would cause excess and unnecessary deaths in this country. does he have the proper credentials, medical credentials, to be advising the white house on the coronavirus, you think? >> well, i don't know dr. atlas personally, so i won't attack him personally, but what i will say is that a clinician who's been on both sides of this, somebody who's involved in the policy response during ebola, somebody who's now actively taking care of coronavirus patients, is you view the world very differently when you're actively involved in the clinical care of patients. i suspect dr. atlas has never seen a patient with covid at the bedside, never intubated a patient, and never told a family member a loved one passed away. when you're reading from your office in palo alto, working in the west wing, where everyone around you is getting tested. there's a place for expertise in medicine. that's why we don't have e

would have been like, johnny atlas but scott atlas sounds like a teen star from the '80s, doesn't hef doctors and he just picked the name that sounded like the coolest-looking dude >> yeah. "hi, i'm scott hey, gang, i'm scott atlas i'll be at the fairhaven mall next week promoting my new album. [ laughter ] >> seth: oh, my god. the girls are going crazy for scott atlas. they're lined around the block hey, this -- this movie is so great. and it's an aaron sorkin script. >> yep >> seth: and i have to imagine as an actor, there are just certain writers where it's just a delight to do their dialogue and not only do you get to do sorkin dialogue, you get to do sorkin court dialogue, which is maybe -- >> yeah. >> seth: maybe his highest - >> that's right. >> seth: tier. >> that's right. that's right that is -- that's a bump up. and, you know, nobody else does it if you watch -- first of all, this cast in this movie -- in this movie is so good. but -- but if you noticed, that's exactly right when you get in the courtroom or anything like that, it actually bumps up when you watch this movie

atlas, and apparently atlas is claiming there's a likelihood only as few as 25% of folks need the infection herd immunity potentially to kick in. is that even possible without a robust vaccine? >> you know, first of all, that 20% number is the most amazing combination of pixie dust and pseudoscience i have ever seen. let's just move on. it is 50% to 70% minimum. remember, when we talk about getting 50% to 70% protection, we're talking you can get there with disease but if that happens, there will be a lot of deaths, a lot of serious illnesses or we can try to get there with vaccination. postponing the numbers who get sick until we have the vaccines available 679 once you get to 50% to 70%, that's kind of like what you hear on the airplane and they announce we're about to descend into laguardia. you still have 30 minutes of flight time. 50% to 70% slows down transmission, it doesn't stop it. this virus will keep looking for wood to burn for as long as it can and technically get over 100% over time. our goal is to get many people protected with vaccine and we have to tell that story. we have

atlas. he's been pushing states to not test so many people and one state reportedly listened. and guess where that is? yep, florida. where joe biden held a socially-distanced event today, where the president held a potentially superspreader event. and cases topping 4,000 today. as we said, we will be talking to an infectious disease specialist. phil mattingly. so, phil, where do things stand in florida as the path to 270 for the president? >> yeah, look, i'm not going to be breaking any news, anderson, when i say it's going to be close. i think everybody agrees on that, in both parties. and everybody also agrees the state of florida, this is the map back in 2016, president trump winning by about 100,000 votes. here's where things stand, at this moment. the poll of polls show joe biden with about a three-point lead. that's a little sizeable but it gives democrats some hope. the reality, anderson, when you look at this map, it's not going to be much different in terms of colors, tuesday night.

atlas. you heard secretary azar say it was not official policy. michael osterholm is with from the university of arizona. do you share the optimism that secretary azar expressed with us this morning? >> i don't, only in the sense that, again, we're not really telling the complete story. we do have vaccines and therapeutics coming down the pike, but when you actually look at the time period for that, the next 6 to 12 weeks are going to be the darkest of the entire pandemic. vaccines will not become available in any meaningful way until early to third quarter of next year, and even then, half of the u.s. population at this point is skeptical of even taking the vaccine. so, what we have right now is a major problem in messaging. you know, people don't know what to believe. and that's one of our huge challenges going forward is we've got to get the message to the public that reflects the science and reflects reality. >> do you have any idea of who's running the public -- the federal government p

atlas has said. of course, the president himself has been saying a lot of these things long before dr. atlas joined as well. >> a great way to start off national character counts week, president trump attacking the latest leading infectious disease specialist. kaitlan collins, thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> vice president biden may be leading in the polls, but the campaign warns supporters, trump can still win this race. they are telling supporters to campaign like we're trailing, but joe biden isn't even on the campaign trail today. what's the strategy? >> reporter: no, jake, joe biden is back in wilmington, delaware, keeping a little lighter schedule at the beginning of this week as he is preparing for that next match-up against president trump. biden is expected to be working with his advisers in the coming days as he prepares for that now second presidential debate against the president. biden is a meticulous preparer for these types of debates. essentially the biden campaign is planning t

scott atlas. adviser to president trump, senior fellow at stanford university's hoover institution, former chief of neuroradiology at stanford university medical center. doctor, it is great to have you with us. and 72 hours, i guess what i would have to ask is what took the president so long to get his treatment and be well? this is remarkable, to see this -- [laughter] even for a man of his stamina, would you not say? >> yes. thanks forking having me, lou. i mean, it doesn't surprise me for a couple reasons, one of which you've identified, that nothing's going to hold the president back. he's a super vigorous guy, he's hands on, he wants to get back to work. and, you know, it also is an illustration of the system of some of the things that have happened under the administration. the operation warp speed rapid development of drugs, and we know the medical care has advanced since the beginning of the pandemic. this is october, we've learned a tremendous amount, as the president said, and you can se

scott atlas. dr.tlas, how can biden claim to do a better job on covid when his response is modeled after countries doing worse than we are? he complained about tracing and tracking and also about testing. his advisors, we know they are recommending lockdowns targeted or broader than targeted lockdowns. how does that make sense? >> well, it doesn't, laura. thanks for having me. i think with a problem here for people who espouse something different than the president is they are now realizing that we now have consensus forming around the president's policy of protecting seniors and ending the lockdowns, opening schools and jobs. we just had a declaration written and the thrust of the declaration is exactly aligned with the president. that is opening schools, opening society, and protecting the high-risk people, the seniors. now we have over 9,000 epidemiologists from all over the world signing onto this. we have the world health organization signing onto this. we have the recent studies finally coming i

scott atlas is quoting george orwell., the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, your final and most essential command. i don't know whether this is irony, a little bit too on the nose when scott atlas is quoting george orwell, but it's embl emblemat emblematic, i think, of the president in some cases leaning into the very things that will hurt him politically. >> absolutely. and that is really the story of this campaign in a lot of ways. and of the administration's response to the coronavirus. john, i was talking to a republican lawmaker last week about exactly this subject, who was saying that, look, the president's hospitalization was handled terribly by the white house, terribly by government medical officials, terribly by the white house chief of staff, mark meadows, who according to our reporting is really on the rocks right now. but it was an opportunity for the president himself, if he had been so inclined, to show just this much empathy and self-awareness about what had happened to him and

atlas is described as corrosive and dangerous, quote, atlas shot town attempts to expand testing and he openly feuded with other doctors on the coronavirus task force. and succeeded in largely sidelining them. he advanced fringe theories such as that social distancing and mask wearing were meaningless and would not have changed the course of the virus in several hard hit areas. and he advocated allowing infections to spread naturally among most of the population. while protecting the most vulnerable and those in nursing homes until the u.s. reaches herd immunity, which experts say would cause excess deaths according to three current and former senior administration officials. atlas also has the distinction of being at the helm of the white house itself becoming ground zero for a super spreader event that claimed among its nearly three dozen victims the president, the first lady and their son as well as many of the president's senior political and west wing advisers. the government's top pandemic expert wasn't surprised. >> were you surprised that president trump for the sigot s? >> a

scott atlas. continues to classic with other members of the task force, including dr.orah birx, who has largely been sidelined and reportedly asked for atlas to be removed. >> i'm not a professional tweet .riter. >> reporter: he is under fire for tweeting that masks don't work. twitter removed it for spreading misinformation. infighting on the task force is now public, with admiral brett girar, who heads the nation's testing efforts, tweeting the hash tag, "masks work? yes." today, president trump called dr. atlas fantastic and said that members of the task force have different views. now, as for dr. fauci, one day after being called an idiot by president trump, he still showed up for today's task force meeting, attending remotely by phone. norah. >> o'donnell: absolutely extraordinary. ben tracy, thank you. tonight, coronavirus hospitalizations are rising in 37 states. the governors of new york, new jersey, connecticut, and pennsylvania are discouraging travel between the states to stop the spread. and in wisconsin, many hospitals are approaching capacity. cbs' adrian

atlas seems to be the president's closest adviser. the focus protection is now something he may be okay without saying so. early last week scientists met with dr. atlas and alex azar who tweeted "we heard strong re-enforcement protecting the vulnerables while hoping schools ening schools." what he did not do and what dr. atlas had not done of reaching herd immunity could put thousands of lives at risk. take a look at tieonight's crow. how many young people you see live with or coming in contact with young people. who among these people may get the disease and recover and suffer long-term complications. there is a lot of healthy people who had mild cases. >> heard immunity is another word for mass murder. that's what it is if you allow this virus spreading. we are looking to two to six million americans dead. not just this year but every year. there is no such thing as herd immunity. these viruses come back year after year and infect the same people. >> that's professor william, who unlike dr. atlas does specialize special diseases. he

scott atlas today.speak of the most maligned thing is when you start to attack your own experts and to r than disease experts. we have a pseudo-expert advising the president. >> laura: dr. squeak, where did he get his medical expertise again? >> he's largely self-taught. if he doesn't have a college degree, but he has tremendous wealth and power. unfortunately, he hasn't pointed out is that bill gates tremendous bias towards a vaccine. what happened with polio, the w.h.o. case, he pushes one line of approach to this when it should be multiple lines. scott atlas has been incredibly diligent and really quite frankly brave in the swamp to really push real science. to put aside his fearmongering. bill gates, unfortunately, has given too much of a platform. it's been to the detriment of the entire world. >> laura: well, scott atlas must be onto something. if so many of these multibillionaire power mongers are after him. i like scott atlas more than bill gates. dr. oz qui, great to see it. up next, weekend of

i like scott atlas more than bill gates. dr. oz qui, great to see it. up next, weekend ofe biden?t's old joe up to this time? kamala harris can't quite remember where she is. raymond arroyo explains on a can't-miss "seen and unseen." don't go away. ♪ type 2 diabetes can have a big impact on your life. but how can it be prevented? well, the first step is knowing if you something called prediabetes. take the 1-minute risk test today at doihaveprediabetes.org >> laura: it's time for our "seen and unseen" segment where we expose the big cultural stories of the day. joining us with all the details, fox news contributor raymondxp arroyo. author of the new book. the media ignored the events of the weekend, why? >> they probably know his appearances, laura, raise questions about his competency. they don't want to talk about the hunterut allegations so they made the decision. the decision to keep their candidates in lockdown, standpat, and kill the clock. biden did a few events in pennsylvania, but they barely got coverage. there is a holiday scene in bristol. >> laura: you can hear someon

atlas. there's not a direct connection between task force members and the president as there was a few months ago. but this seems to be a different time with different priorities. >> there's a pandemic in the country. you see the numbers on the screen. 8.2 million cases in the united states. 220,000 deaths and counting, and the president doesn't want to meet with the experts. >> yeah. john, you're hearing the president in these closing arguments that he's making in crucial battleground states, into the idea that the scientists are wrong, he's right, that somehow if we listen to scientists, there would be more casualties or the economy would be a mess. in particular, we have seen him focusing on dr. fauci who ironically is like the most trusted public health official in the country, so you might think why is the president doing that. but if you look at it more closely, you can see in polling over the last month or so that among republicans in particular, there's declining trust in fauci, even

window and oakland hayward north san francisco because it's just calm in these areas when deer in atlas peak, napa sonoma calistoga and even danville a few of her windier spots this morning by 07:45am. you'll notice, upper elevations and the north bay in general still definitely on the breezy side while the rest of us actually looking pretty calm, 10:00am still windy for the north bay, but winds begin ease a bit into the early afternoon by 03:00pm definitely looking at a better set up red flag warning still remain for all of much of napa areas like lake and mendocino counties and then upper elevations of the east bay and marin and sonoma counties as for bayshore in coastal areas were backing off those winds and us red flag warnings no longer in effect for these areas. those areas that are remaining in red flag warnings they expire at 05:00pm today as for current temperatures oakland and san francisco among our warmer spots in the 60's currently while hayward at 56 conquered in livermore each starting up this morning at 54 degrees so all in all we're definitely calmer which is a nice cha

do you feel like you have his ear as much as scott atlas? >> i definitely don't have his ear as much as scott atlas right now. that has been a changing situation. i interact with the vice president at the task force meetings and the vice president makes our feelings and what we talk about there known to the president but direct involvement with the president in the discussions, i have not done that in a while. >> right now tens of millions of europeans are facing a new wave of restrictions as multiple countries see a sharp rise in virus cases. europe struggles come as the u.s. hit a single day record on thursday with more than 77,000 new coronavirus cases. joining me now is professor and vice chair at fineberg school of medicine. it's good to have you with us. cases are up overseas and here in the united states as we head into winter. what troubles you the most? >> what troubles me is throughout the course of this what happens in europe adviser to follow what's happening here. the significance challenge we face of seeing the massive up ticks

scott atlas made huge waves last night on the angle calling out the so-called medical experts who are still advocating lockdowns. we have a really important update on that tonight. what is something that joe biden should probably stop talking about? of course, raymond arroyo reveals that in "seen and unseen." the third and final day of confirmation hearings for c supreme court nominee amy coney barrett came to a merciful close for democrats. once again they chose to spend hour upon hour embarrassing themselves with a number of failed attempts to either try to intimidate or trip up the judge. i would like to do these reviews because i know you have real lives and you're not watching this. let's start with dick blumenthal's pathetic attempt to entrap judges barrett. >> lawrence v texas which held that the government cannot criminalize gay and lesbian relationships. was it correctly decided? >> senator blumenthal, i can't l give it a thumbs-up or thumbs down. >> forgive me for interrupting. my time is limited. >> senator blumenthal, i can't give a yes or a no. >> laura: blumenthal was un

breezy and yes high fire danger continues because of both of those factors sonoma calistoga petaluma atlas peak, vacaville and danville are all some of our breezy us to spots right now, especially the hillsides above each of these areas. calmer conditions in oakland hayward san francisco in livermore look at that hardly even detecting winds in these spots. that's because once you had a little bit higher in the atmosphere. that's where those stronger winds are so those areas closer to the bay itself are actually nice and calm by the time we work our way towards 8.45 still very breezy for the north bay and still breezy into the early afternoon late morning as well. now a little bit later on today, this is a 04:00pm look at how wind speeds begin to come down even for areas like atlas peak, our only spot by that point which will be checking in with wind speeds still above 10 miles per hour. so there is some relief in sight and red flag warnings as of right now are set to expire today at 05:00pm they are still in effect for all solano county most of napa county and then upper elevations of sono

atlas, now, seems to be the president's closest adviser on the pandemic. now, that dr. fauci, birx, and redfield, have, pretty much, been shoved aside. it looks more and more as if herd immunity, or its euphemism, focused protection, is now something he may be okay with, without actually saying so. early last week, though, scientists behind this great barrington declaration met with dr. atlas and alex azar who tweeted, quote, we heard strong reinforcement of the trump administration strategy of aggressively protecting the vulnerable while opening schools. what he did not do, and what dr. atlas has not done, is say that reaching herd immunity, if that's even possible, could put thousands or even millions lives at richk. risk. again, take a look at tonight's crowd. how many of the young people, you see there, live with or come in contact with older people? how many healthy-looking people are on chemotherapy or have diabetes or are overweight or have other risk factors for dying of covid that some might not even know of? who, amongst these people, might get the disease and