this prison break, had you had prison breaks at attica, anything like this? >> we had one prison break in 84 years. april of -- april 18th of 1971. joseph "mad dog" sullivan. >> did you catch mad dog and bring him back? >> yes, we did. and he was caught by a task force in new york city, but he was out probably nine months, so. >> okay. >> so. >> what do you think -- let me ask you this. i know you're the former superintendent, but how do you think these guys were able to get the tools, aside from the fact that they have this joyce mitchell on the inside, but how do they -- do they have blueprints of the prison? how would they know where to cut? how would they know where the outside was? how would they get a ladder to reach the top of the manhole cover? >> well, judge, this was a perfect storm, as far as prison escapes go. see, they have tools, left in inappropriate spots, that were able to fall into the wrong hands. you had staff complacency. you had inappropriate relationship with staff. and i'm sure, the plan was so elaborate, their exit strategy was as ela

i spoke to james conway, who worked at attica correctional facility. i'm joined by james conway the superintendent at the maximum security attica correctional facility. thanks for joining us. what do you make when you read about this issue of grooming of how joyce mitchell's now been arrested for helping a prisoner whatever giving them contraband facilitating their whatever movements. how does that ring with you as experience? >> it's not surprising. these guys probably watched her for months and developed this relationship over possibly a couple years. they'll start with something very simple where one of them may say, the one that had the closest relationship with her, could you give me a hand with this machine? i'm having trouble with it. that gets them to have a one on one relationship with her. he'll thank her profusely. they observe their work habits. does she have a new york yankees mug on their desk? if she does they'll go research the yankees. boy, the teixeira sure had a good night last night. they kind of endear themselves with the employee.

>> in 1992, larry king interviewed mark henry chapman via remote feed in attica. >> mark, why are you blaming myself for crawling inside of the book. i want to say that j.d. salinger and "catcher in the rye" did not cause me to kill john lennon. in fact, i wrote j.d. salinger i got his box number from someone, and i apologized to him for this. >> in october 1980, chapman turns his resentment against phoneys to john lennon when he reads about the release of "double fantasy." >> this thing started with the dakota, i'm angry at seeing him on the dakota. and i say to myself, that phony, that bastard, i got that mad, i took the book home to my wife and i said, look, he's a phoney. >> this is his calendar from december of '89 to december of and it leads you all the way through his manic months before his death. >> writer jim gaines spent hundreds of hours between 1984 and 1985 interviewing mark chapman. >> and you can see it becomes crazier and crazier with crossings-out and things to do. >> chapman told gaines, his mind had been like a war zone for years occupied by opposing forces he desc

. >> you talk about some bad apples, and attica correctional facility does have a pretty violent past. i want to read something from "the new york times," and it talks about that famous and bloody prison rebellion back in 1971 there. it says to those who work at the prison the history of the riots is an everyday reminder of the danger that inmates who greatly outnumber guards could take over at any time. an attica sergeant whose father was killed in the retaking tells all new recruits about the events of 1971. he says i make sure it gets talked about. you do certain things a certain way because it wasn't done one time and the inmates took control. so in your experience james, how do you think the legacy of that riot impacted the way workers interacted with prisoners? >> well what that sergeant is talking about i think is guard against complacency. you don't want to leave a gate unmanned. in the 1971 uprising inmates were able to break through different gates and gain access to the entire prison. so you want to be on your guard at all times. inmates will take advantage of situations an

basically my neighbors know there are two times when things get loud attica saw at casa wilmore, one during bill o'reilly and the next is when -- [crowd cheering] sometimes we watch o'reilly. all right, this be great stuff. let's take a look. according to the fbi there was 1 million 163,000 violent crimes last august 13. only 3,500 were classified as race-based hate crimes. >> larry: only 3-bgsz3,500. the last time billow billow bill o'reilly said 3,500 is when someone asked him about his claws trowel cholesterol level. even though bill is not a big number guys who said he was covering something miles away. owe kairks onlyokay, 3500. still sounds to the.59 race state base crime per day. according to my knowledge that's about 9.58 too many. right. [applause] too many. yes. i am willing to concede there's .01 that probably deserves a little bit of that. baby shouldn'tprobably shouldn't say that i don't know. at least bill o'reilly always has guests on to talk down to. what brothers is he going to have to talk about that. is it the one on the left. do you know what maybe it will be that

. >> we did an investigation in attica correctional facility. we found an inmate there had a dutch oven in his cell. he was making cakes for the correction officer every day. >> all right, patrick dunleavy, thanks so much for your insight. no question, there's going to be a lot of questions here, a lot of problems that that so-called maximum security prison. thanks. >> all right. thank you, judge. >>> all right. and coming up, more breaking news on the massive manhunt under way right now for fugitive david sweat. plus don't forget to facebook and tweet us your thoughts during the show. #judgejeanine. >>> as the massive search continues for escaped murderer david sweat, let's take a look back at the timeline of how we got here. bombshell developments in the case that has captivated the nation. escaped murderer richard matt is dead. shot and killed friday by law enforcement authorities, but fugitive david sweat is still on the loose. it has been more than three weeks since the two convicted killers, sweat and matt, escaped from the upstate dannemo

eric and i were exchanging stories back in the green room about attica.son guards cover up when they're in the prison facility but the prisoners know about it. i heard the story. every prison has its own culture going on. there's a lot of corruption. whether you can cure it is different. >> will they find out if there were other involves? we understand it's almost for certain sweat will not go back to this facility. he will serve his time somewhere else. in which case, he has nothing to lose by ratting out others who helped him, right? >> right. i mean they're not going to take his word for everything he says. obviously, they will try to corroborate the information he comes up with. but i think people -- you have two people already looking at some heavy duty felony charges. i think that's enough to have other people come forward and start talking to avoid any type of prison time. i think this will fall in line with a regular investigation. you will have people coming forward, whether it be inmates or guards to try to avoid doing any more time in jail. >>

when you look at great meadow and clinton and attica these are old facilities with a greater opportunityfor things to happen because they are not state of the art as in some other prisons. >> right. >> and obviously, when you have desperate people they will do desperate things. clearly, this is a dangerous situation and i certainly hope that the two men are captured quickly. >> all right. we'll see if this does indeed happen if they are in the right place tonight it could go down any moment but they could be in the wrong place. michael daniel thanks to both of you and breaking news days after this video at a texas pool party went viral, nearly 10 million views to give you the number. the officer at the center of it just quit. so does that mean he gets to keep the pension and benefit? could he be charged with a crime or not? "outfront" exclusive, a police officer speaks out about the freed degray case and asks for moezly to step aside and a sneak back of the premiere of the "70s". >> the '70s awakened us and polarized us. >> the 1970s saw the development of terrorism. >> with bombshell af

new york has to take charge has to learn from the lessons not only here at clinton correctional but attica some of the other major prisons in new york state. go through it point by point by point and learn from what happened and make sure it obviously doesn't happen again. >> yes, because we had the escape in elmira in 2003. >> i remember that very vividly. >>> we'll continue this. we values a new image of the end of the line for the fugitive killer richard matt. some of you may find the image disturbing. matt was shot by police when he refused to surrender last friday. we'll show it to you right. matt and fellow fugitive david sweat split up several days before this. police noticed the smell of alcohol as they approached the body. new york governor andrew cuomo says they found richard matt had blisters on his feet and that may have contributed to matt and sweat splitting up. meanwhile, david sweat has been upgraded from serious to fair condition. he's been talking to investigators from his hospital bed in albany new york revealing details about the escaped plan. we are also hearing from j

he escaped from attica before too.t know. >> our national correspondent polo sand valueoval is joining us from dannemora dannemora. how is the community coping with what's going on? >> wolf i can tell you it is business as usual for now. the main headline at this hour is that much of the focus of the investigation has shifted back on to this community since the search started five days ago. the new york state police saying they're really no specific tip or lead that brought them back here to the gates of the clinton correctional facility but they simply want to retrace the steps that they made in the days and really perhaps hours following the discovery of that jail escape that search continues at this hour for richard matt and david sweat. we want to share these images that i'm sure you've seen already of new york state police officers wearing body armor, heavily armed, walking the streets of dannemora, much of the attention focusing on here. many of these images seem to indicate they may not have one solid strong lea

i have been contacted by a nun from attica prison that does ministry work there, in fact, still doeshat today. she had requested i come to the buffalo niagara falls area to speak against the death penalty. and i committed to going there for a week. i had told her the story about bill mcveigh on the television about two weeks after julie's death, and how i really did not want to see the news program that had him on. but i sat and watched it and i saw this man with a deep pain in his eye that i recognized immediately because i was living with that same pain at the same time. i knew that someday i wanted to go tell that man that i did not blame him or his family for what his son had done. and i had the chance to do that 3.5 years after the bombing. i went and met bill at his house on a saturday morning. what i found was a very nice, gentle man. he was sickened by the fact his son had come back from the war and -- in iraq and he had ptsd, had it badly. he became very much antigovernment, joined militia groups and -- he did not know anything he could do about that. and i am still in conta

. >> we did an investigation in attica correctional facility. we found an inmate there had a dutch oven in his cell. he was making cakes for the correction officer every day. >> all right, patrick dunleavy thanks so much for your insight. no question there's going to be a lot of questions here a lot of problems that that so-called maximum security prison. thanks. >> all right. thank you, judge. >>> all right. and coming up more breaking news on the massive manhunt under way right now for fugitive david sweat. plus don't forget to facebook and tweet us your thoughts during the show. #judgejeanine. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. (dad) she's all yours. (vo) but you get to keep the memories. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. it's evening again. time for the perfect night time snack. ♪ beautiful on the tongue, easy on the conscience. kellogg's®. see you

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we had in this state attica under governor rockefeller my father you are to young to remember, sing singriver to sing sing bucky phillips escape three troopers died, so they see are dangerous places, obviously, and bad things happen. these two men were really dangerous dangerous killers they had -- matt killed two, sweat david sweat had killed a ef sheriff's deputies hundred him over with a car optimist him 17 times ran him over again a really dangerous guys bizarre say it dannemora state number one prison they -- threatened the rest of the system if bad go to dannemora 100-year-old prison never had escape before this, a bizarre combination of factors you had a prison worker thought she was in love with both of tconvis thenned hymn they were going to kill her husband three would live happily ever after a fairytale that i never quite heard, you had correction officer acted improperly two escaped prisoners in rural part of the staadirondacks one f the most ruler parts literally of this country, and 22 days 1,000 men searching swamp and brush, and we got them, in any got hurt, now law enfor