>> axelrod: manuel, thank you. updating the situation for those who spent christmas without power, in michigan, 88,000 homes and businesses are still in the dark. about 28,000 in maine. crews have been rushed in from other states to fix power lines that snapped in an ice storm last weekend but fresh snowfall has now slowed them down and the repairs could take two more days. in pennsylvania today, an appeals court threw out a milestone conviction of a catholic priest. monsignor william lynn was the first priest to be found guilty of protecting other priests accused of sexual abuse. elaine quijano covered the trial and she has our update. >> reporter: monsignor william lynn is serving a three to six- year sentence in state prison. thomas bergstrom is lynn's attorney. >> what they found was that monsignor lynn didn't have the authority to transfer these priests. the only person who had that authority was the cardinal. >> reporter: the trial was a landmark case in the u.s. catholic church as former philadelphia distric

>> axelrod: tonight: christmas in the dark. hundreds of thousands have no power after a vicious ice storm that snapped utility lines. terrell brown reports. record numbers of americans are signing up for health care-- but wyatt andrews says many still don't know if they have insurance. >> will i be denied coverage? will i be denied access? >> axelrod: mark strassmann on the high tech surgery that lets doctors give hands on assistance from miles away. >> merry christmas! >> axelrod: and elaine quijano with the christmas surprise delivered to more than a thousand kids. >> this is part of my journey. this is what i'm supposed to do. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> axelrod: good evening and merry christmas. scott's off tonight. i'm jim axelrod and this is our western edition. on this night of warmth and good cheer, it's a challenging christmas with no power at all for hundreds of thousands of people in the u.s. and canada. the lingering effects of an icy storm have left more than 200

for now, i'm jim axelrod in new york. for all of us here on cbs news, thanks for joining us and good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org target security breach. promising news for commuter the new labor deals aimed at keeping bart and a-c transit running. and... a fresh coat of pain and more. the work to get candlestick park ready... f what could be its last nigh the national spotlight. kpix 5 news is next. new fallout tonight from th, big bank is limiting spendi- fo holiday shop >>> new fallout tonight from the target security breach. now a big bank is limiting spending for millions of last- minute holiday shoppers. good evening, i'm brian hackney. >> and i'm juliette goodrich in for ann notarangelo. our don knapp is at a target store in fremont talking to shoppers

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>> axelrod: tonight, a nasty head start. >> a wide swath of the country gets another whipping of snow and ice and winter is still a week away. terrell brown has the latest. why did he do it? barry petersen upon the search for a motive in the nation's latest school shooting. the controversy on college football's biggest night, jeff pegu repor on the cloud over the heisman trophy. >> and on the day of the final homecoming for nelson mandela, mark phillips will share the stor tremendous this is the third maw and ice storm this month. more than 10,00 10,000 flights e been canceled this week, 1,000 today alone and as terrell brown reports, the timing of this storm couldn't be any worse for retailers among a short shopping season that has been underwhelming. >> reporter: in the middle of a dusty snowstorm on a 19-degree day in mohegan lake new york, nicki couldn't resist going to shop. >> we are in a snowstorm. >> yes. >> and you are shopping. >> yes. >> why? >> because it is still christmas, and things still need to get done and there are gifts to buy. >> reporter: a snow day for retailers

." >> axelrod: good evening, i am jim axelrod.doesn't start for another week but try telling that to anyone caught in the path of a massive fast-moving storm that stretches more than 1,000 miles from missouri to maine. this is the third major snow and ice storm this month. more than 10,000 flights have been canceled this week, 1,000 today alone. and as terrell brown reports, the timing of this storm couldn't be any worse for retailers, in the midst of an already short shopping season that has been underwhelming. >> reporter: in the middle of a gusty snowstorm on a 19-degree day in mohegan lake new york, she couldn't resist going to shop. >> we are in a snowstorm. >> yes. >> and you shopping? >> yes. >> why? >> because it is still christmas and things still need to get done and there are still gifts to buy. >> a snow day for retailers during the holiday shopping season could be the difference between a profit or loss. so many stores stayed open and were counting on shoppers like audra aggin. >> the stores are throwing some good sal

>> axelrod: end of a lifeline. long-term unemployment benefits expire for more than a million americans. jeff pegues in washington on the politics. >> jeff is in washington on the application that are playing out. >> this is my lifeline. >> target says hackers stole more than your debit card numbers. terrell brown onhreat to your data security. a&e's ducks, ending its suspension of a reality show star, despite his controversial comments. the latest on the "duck dynasty" flap. >> to be a man of valor. >> and full military honors. carter evans in los angeles, on the fuel of a fallen american hero, missing for more than 62 years. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news." >> good evening, i'm jim axelrod and this is a western edition of the newscast. >>> one million woke up without 1.3 million americans woke up this morning without this unemployment benefits and several million more could lose theirs over the course of the next year. the federal program designed to help the long-term unemployed has ex

>> axelrod: and hurray for hollywood, park that is.arter evans on the final weekend for horseracing's legendary track of the stars. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news."

white house and axelrod a lot. it's unusual to say when there is not -- this was not a factual disagreement. this was a disagreement about i was challenging them on something and gene said we are not going to see eye to eye and you are going to regret staking out this claim. axelrod and i disagreed many times and he never said you would regret reaching a conclusion he didn't like. >> he said that to me all the time. >> he called me up. >> i'm waiting for you to regret something. >> bob, let me ask you this. given all the reaction this has gotten and given the nature of the e-mails as you read through them, do you think because you are not a young reporter they might be intimidated? you might have overstepped the way you described the scenario. >> no. the e-mails speak for themselves. people characterized them. the issue here is that this is where we get tangled up in ourselves. the automatic spending cuts andy is quester and how we got there and what it's going to mean to people. the white house is unintentionally

captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com >> axelrod: tonight: christmas in the darkreds of thousands have no power after a vicious ice storm that snapped utility lines. terrell brown reports. record numbers of americans are signing up for health care-- but wyatt andrews says many still don't know if they have insurance. >> will i be denied coverage? will i be denied access? >> axelrod: mark strassmann on the high tech surgery that lets doctors give hands on assistance from miles away. >> merry christmas! >> axelrod: and elaine quijano with the christmas surprise delivered to more than a thousand kids. >> this is part of my journey. this is what i'm supposed to do. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> axelrod: good evening and merry christmas. scott's off

we can't get through. >> axelrod: and with no time to waste, an l.a.op rescued a man from his burning car. >> i just said "it's now or never. either i'm going to get him out or i'm going to see someone burn alive." captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley.

jim axelrod introduces us to a real life superstar. >> go, push, push!porter: strictly by the numbers, 6' 3, 300 pounds first team all big 10. penn state offensive lineman john urschel is exceptional. >> yy squared evaluated from y equals x. >> reporter: but it's another set of numbers that elevate them to unique in the world of college football. >> this gives us the integral from 0 to 2. >> reporter: he graduated with a degree in mathematics in just three years and a perfect 4.0 g.p.a. he finished one masters degree and is working on a second and has as many as versety letters. >> this is uncommon amongst math graduate students. i'm 22 and i have four papers. >> reporter: urschel credits his math background for his ability to analyze defenses and make quick decisions. mostly head coach bill o'brien marvels at a player who writes on instabilities in the sun->> pelley:er-asteroid three body problem but sometimes o'brien just laughs. >> if you give her the percentage of how many times this team blitzes, he wants to know the whole survey size and what games

jim axelrod, cbs news, state college, pennsylvania.r >> pelley: and that's the "cbs evening news" for tonight. for all of us at cbs news all around the world. good night. good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >>> your realtime captioner is mrs. linda m. macdonald city's top job. tonight - she's officially in the raco quan. >>> i think oakland can do better. >> and you're looking at the councilwoman gunning for that city's top job. tonight, she is officially in the race to challenge embattled mayor jean quan. good evening, i'm ken bastida. >> i'm elizabeth cook. new at 6:00 tonight our phil matier at oakland city hall with the race's newest contender. phil. >> reporter: that's right. this contender is very close to the mayor at least when it comes to council meetings. take a look. embattled oakland mayor jean quan got some competition very close to home today when libby shaft who holds the mayor's seat on the city council signed up to run against her for the top job. >> i think s

david axelrod thinks the president was ill served. it was part of a glitch, an error he didn't realize the grandfather clause could realize these millions of people would git letters saying they were no longer insured. do you agree? >> look, i was wrong. it was a terrible mess-up by every democrat, including myself, that didn't see this caused by raising the standards and requirements that members of congress almost like a wish list put on top of insurance companies requiring the standards to be raised leaving people out, causing them to lose their plans or pay more for new plans. i didn't see it coming. i accept president obama that he made a mistake. i don't think it is a lie when he said he was terribly wrong. >> the scenario you described is the basis of the entire system. it's that you will expand coverage for everybody and it will be cheaperment to say you could keep your health care system if you liked it is completely disingenuous. not just a slip of the tongue. when you look at the plan it's clear that there was no way that c

again, anything that makes david axelrod smile makes me crime.r you so negative about this deal. >> you are smiling, david. >> i am smiling because i'm happy a guy tom coburn's age and my age can still have groupies. >> i'm both your groupie. >> let me make one point as everybody is always itself worried about the politics. that's exactly what's wrong with washington. everyone says, how does this affect the next election? i don't care. what i care is quit rationalizeing, what will do it when we finally get in charge? it never happens. we can rationalize it. we won't have a government shutdown. i don't care, the fact is the country is going down the tubes and all this does is add to it. >> can i just add a note of agreement with senator coburn on a point here, which is i do think the 47 job training programs is a great example. there is no reason for 47 job training programs. we ought to look for better ways to get the job done. we ought to agree there are jobs to be done. job training is important. there are other programs that are important. if

as jim axelrod reports, that message inspired generations of american students and teachers. >> reportern roxbury, massachusetts, in 1990, the crowd went wild, eager to hear his words of wisdom. >> the youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow. >> reporter: cele celestino dep was a sophomore in the gym that day. >> the youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow, and at the time that was a quote that really stuck to my head and to this day i try to instill the same concept in my students. >> reporter: mandela's speech was a turning point in depina's young life. he decided he, too, wanted to lead from the classroom as a teacher. >> okay. the word "freedom," but freedom is not free. >> reporter: now he's a history teacher at brighton high school in boston, hoping to be a role model in a school where more than one in ten students drop out. born to poor immigrant parents in the west african nation of cape verde, depina knows well barriers to a child's success. >> i use my hardships as a motivation. today as an educator, i tell my students, well, don't use your personal issues as an impedimen

jim axelrod introduces us to the nfl prospect. >> go!mbers 6'3", 300 pounds, first team all big ten. penn state offensive lineman john urschel is exceptional. >> xy squared -- vaeld from y equals x. >> reporter: but it's another set of numbers that elevate him to unique in college football. >> this goes off the integral from zero to two. >> reporter: urschel graduated with a degree of mathematics in just three years and a perfect 4.0 gpa. he then finished one masters degree is now working on. a second. and as as many academic publications to his name as. >> i wouldn't say it's uncommon among athletes. it's uncommon among students. i'm 22 and i have four papers. >> reporter: urschel can make quick decisions. mostly head coach bill o'brien marvels at a player who writes on instabilities in the sun jupiter's asteroid three-body problem, but sometimes, o'brien just laughs. >> if you give him the percentage of how many times the team blitzes, he wants to know the whole survey size and what games we looked at. and i'm like, john, take it from

jim axelrod found that message changed the hearts of some american students. >> reporter: when nelsondela visited madison park high school in roxbury, massachusetts, in 1990 the crowd went wild. eager to hear his words of wisdom. >> the youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow. >> reporter: a 16-year-old sophomore in the gymnasium that day. >> the youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow. and at the time that was one of the things that really stuck to my head. so this day i try to instill the same concept in my students. >> reporter: mandela's speech was a turning point in dipina's young life. he decided he too wanted to lead from the classroom as a teacher. >> okay. the word freedom, but freedom is not free. >> reporter: now he's a history teacher at brighton high school in boston, hoping to a model in a school where more than one in ten students drop out. born to poor immigrant parents in the west african nation of cape verde, dipina knows well the barriers to a child's success. >> i used my-- as a motivation. today as an education-- educator i tell my students don't use your pe

david axelrod said this about brian schweitzer today on "morning joe." >> he's anti-gun control very on the nra side of that issue. he has strong detractors because of the nature of his support for drilling and other aspects of the oil industry which is part of the economy in that part of the country. he does not have the perfect record to run an insurgent campaign from the left. >> joining me now, adam green, co-founder of the progressive change committee and karen finney. karen, how much room is on hillary clinton's left for a democratic run? >> i think there is a fair amount but i think this idea that she's going to go hard right is a little ridiculous. i don't think anybody would see hillary as a hard right. she might be a center-left person but a hard right i think is unfair. >> adam green, you know, if she runs unopposed, i imagine you would expect certainly a drift to what we might call the center. >> it's possible. >> unopposed in the democratic primaries. >> i think brian schweitzer was saying she will have to pick a side. the corporate wing, including people like bill clint

i talked to david axelrod about this, and he said they learned their the guest lesson at the first debate in denver. >> talk about that. let's separate that out, because i am -- this was not well-known. you can see it, but, boy, follow the twitter feed, this was a disaster. >> yes. it was game over. >> and you talk about this moment from ben smith. >> yes, we are in the press file for the first debate, and traditionally at a presidential debate or any debate, the consensus of what happened is sort of rendered, in the spin room afterwards, reporters talk, and this is what happened, and you trust your judgment. if you were watching twitter during the first debate, everyone, and it was not just , it was that romney looks good, presidential, and ben smith, the editor of buzz feed, a smart political god, he said why do we have to wait to say that romney won the debate? we already know. look at twitter. hadybody says mitt romney one -- had won. you were there. the romney campaign charged in, and i believe there was stephanie and david from the obama campaign, and they could not get out of there

and jim axelrod introduces us to math genius john urschel who sure knows how to divide a defensive linei feel like it's what i'm here to do. >> reporter: which one, the football or the math? >> both.

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jim axelrod is following developments. jim? >> reporter: james, those new troops will try to stem the violence that is now spiking in the world's newest country. a top u.n. official on the ground in south sudan says thousands have been killed just in the last week. at least 80,000 people have fled their homes in south sudan to escape the fighting between troops loyal to the president, salva kiir, and rebel forces backing former vice president riak mashar. more than half are seeking protection in u.s. bases in south sudan. ethnic tensions are stoking this political rivalry into the bloody violence. the two men belong to different tribes. they both say they're ready to sit down and talk, although disputes about conditions are tangling up the possibility. last week, when u.s. troops arrived to help evacuate americans from the country, three u.s. aircraft were attacked and forced to turn back. four navy seals were wounded. late today, u.s. secretary of state john kerry reported that he telephoned both leaders, calling for mediated

and jim axelrod introduces us to math genius john urschel who sure knows how to divide a defensive line>> i feel like it's what i'm here to do. >> reporter: which one, the football or the math? >> both. capt captioning sponsored by cbs

captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com ,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, >> axelrod: end of a lifeline. long-term unemployment benefits expire for more than a million americans. jeff pegues in washington on the politics. >> jeff is in washington on the application that are playing out. >> this is my lifeline. >> target says hackers stole more than your debit card numbers. terrell brown onhreat to your data security. a&e's ducks, ending its suspension of a reality show star, despite his controversial comments. the latest on the "duck dynasty" flap. >> to be a man of valor. >> and full military honors. carter evans in los angeles, on the fuel of a fallen american hero, missing for more than 62 years. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news."

we'll talk to david axelrod and later the uk's chancellor of the ex-checker, george osborne will be heretop stories in the political playbook but first -- bill karins. bill? >> thank you for that last ten minutes. that was very entertaining. yeah. leave the soap on the rope alone. as far as the forecast, we talked about the snow coming in this morning. we're getting reports some of the roads west of new york city are starting to get slick and snow covered. we're watching as much as a quarter of an inch and the christmas tree from "30 rock," snow is coming down in downtown new york. not a big blockbuster event just a little bit with this first batch coming through. as far as the later afternoon period goes that's when we'll watch some snow totals increasing from new england noon to 5:00 p.m. the worst will be up here from hartford, the mass pike, i-95 to providence up to downtown boston. then we may end up with three to five north and west of boston out in the loop on i-95 and that's about it. new york city we're only talking maybe one to two inches. philadelphia maybe up to an inch at mo

here's jim axelrod with the story that the tapes tell. >> reporter: from the moment the shooter fired his way through the front door the courage and professionalism of those on both ends of the emergency calls are unmistakable. school secretary barbara hallstead made the first call at 9:35:39. 9:35 >> reporter: 34 seconds later, a custodian named rick thorne made the second call to 911. custodian ed rick made all to >> reporter: thorne would stay on the phone for nearly ten minutes even with gunshots going off in the background. the dispatcher probing for information and coaching him on what to do. coach o do. >> reporter: 8:16 at the first call from the school, thorne was approached by police officers and identified himself. w ap y police ers and i d self. >> reporter: what's striking is the tone of calm. even from a teacher who's been shot in the foot. in the >> reporter: there are o calls but they were routed to state police dispatchers and are not among the ones released by the newtown p.d. today. they're the subject of another freedom of information request filed by the associate

campaign in two thousand and four they were seen as incredibly good in these guys david plouffe and axelrod and company they appropriated a lot of those techniques a lot of the and improved on and design new ways i mean there's almost nothing that's unknowable now in politics and they really perfected that are is it hard for a lame duck to really be good well what it is i mean president bush used to say i covered him there's a certain amount of political capital you have and you use it and then once it's dried up then you're done and the problem is that. a lot of political capital got soaked up by this president in the early part of his presidency he got health care and he got it on a party line vote and that has real repercussions because that didn't set in motion the tea party but it accelerated it and then you get to a place where you're in your second term and you want to do the next big thing and you don't have that reservoir of support to do it you know the budget wars to have really dealt a blow and we've been through this debt ceiling fight in a way that's also really we continue so

. >> and senator mike lee is on my nice list fo pointing that out and david axelrod agreed with him thisr. so he is on the nice side of this s well. along with rand ul, because he demanded that the president come clean about drone stikes. >> i cannot sit at my desk quietly and let the president say that he will kill americans on american soil, those who are not actively attacking a country. john: the shock that a senator has to say something so obvious. john mccain, because aftethe filibuster that e called libertarians a wacko birds, and chris christie, because he said this. >> this strain of libertarianism that is going through both parties right now ad makingbig headlines. i think it ia very dangerous thought. >> wll, it's big government is dangerous. and a lump of coal to governor ris christie but nice gifts for docratic senators tom harkin and jay rockefeller. surprise to find them here o the nice side of this ledger. an oh, they retire this year. that is good for all of us. and this town's billionaire mayor, michael bloomberg will retire as well. and that is good because he somehow

you'll remember david axelrod, he was a seen jor anior advisor. this exhaustive piece is another fompler add min strasive official. that's some of the kinds of reactions we've seen from the support of the president. a lot of people are saying, look, this report is showing that there is not enough security, there was lax security. that is something that the white house has acknowledged. they say clearly that this attack was carried out with these four american sides show that there was not adequate security. so for the critics of the administration and their handling of the benghazi attack. >> and what about the winter olympic games. is the white house commenting on that in any way? >> they condemned the attack, strongly condemned the attack and say that their hearts go out to the officials. the administration is playing attention and they strongly condemned that attack. fredericka? >> thanks so much in honolulu. >>> now, to that alleged cop killer and bank robber who the f.b.i. believes was killed by phoenix police during a shoot out saturday. our

david axelrod tweeting, for anyone interested in the truth and not the politics about benghazi this piecet read. and tommy voter who was the president's national security spokes man tweeted if republican's spent 1/50th of the time on this -- he is referring to the hearings that the republicans held trying to get the administration to admit some of the mistakes that they have admitted. >> thank you so much. appreciate that. >> so al qaeda may not have been involved in libya according to that article but the situation described is frightening and underscores the vulnerability overseas. brian williams aa contributor to the huffington post. good to see you. what is your initial reaction to that article removing responsibility to al qaeda? >> it sort of proof proofs that has happened before. over and over again this word has been over used and we see this "new york times" piece seem to indicate that it was a local libyan jihadi who had nothing to do with al qaeda. >> instead the article took advantage that the american preacher did insult islam and that perhaps this was the result of that vide

. >> and senator mike lee is on my nice list for pointing that out and david axelrod agreed with himas well. along with rand paul, because he demanded that the president come clean about drone strikes. >> i cannot sit at my desk quietly and let the president say that he will kill americans on american soil, those who are not actively attacking a country. jo: the shok that a senator has to say something so obvious. john mccainbecause after the filibuster thathe called libertarians a wacko birds, and chris christie, because he said this. >> this strainf libertarianism that is going through both parties right ow and making big headlines. i think it is a very dangeus thought. >> well, it's big government is dangerous. and a lump of coal to governor chris christie. but nicegifts r democratic senators tom harkin and jay rockefeller. surprise to find them here on the nice side of this ledger. and oh, they retire this year. that isgood for all of us. and ths town's billionaire mayor, michael bloomberg will retire as well. and that is good becse he somehow doesn't understand that government b

david axelrod said hillary clinton in '07 terrible candidate, in '08 coming from behind turned out toeat campaigner. which campaigner in 2014? >> i think we see the '08 2.0, she'll be much better at it, surround herself and this is always the criticism, the people around her sort of take away, detract from her ability to be that candidate so if she stockpiles the smart and the best and goes out there and bees, is herself, i think she'll formidable. the backdrop if she decides not to get in this falls to joe biden. >> who is going to invite hillary clinton to campaign for them in 014 everyone wanted barack obama in 2006. >> you don't think someone will do it? >> is kate hagan going to? >> don't underestimate the states. >> there are a lot of particularly republican women who like hillary clinton. >> i was just going to say i think hillary clinton is pour popular in '14 an thisthan in '. they wanted obama, not clinton. >> her biggest problem is a guy named john kerry, with secretary of state. somehow if hillary and biden didn't run, you know, everything that's old is new again. this is

. >> we could have played a sound bite but we don't have time from david axelrod, the president's formeror and consultant. he said president barack obama has been honest about obama care, he just should not have spoken in absolutes. can you have it both ways? >> bob often has it both ways. obama care has done what the hindenburg has done for blimps. they've already got a platform. it should be let's start over and pretend this never happened. america would be happy to say, can we pretend this is bobby ewing in "dallas." all of a sudden america wakes up and bobby is in the shower going did that really happen in obama care? it didn't really happen. or it's like a giant etch etch-a-sketch. just shake it and start over. that should be the republican platform. >> can i shoot you is this. >> what he said earlier about you that you asked was a shot, i thought it was a compliment. >> i did, too. >> i don't even remember. >> we'll move on, because i'm going to bring it back up. >>> special programming photo, set your dvr for next wednesday. december 18th. charles krauthammer will join us live on

i talked to david axelrod about this, and he said they learned their biggest lesson about twitter at the first debate in denver. >> talk about that. let's separate that out, because i am -- this was not well-known. -- this was not going well, but boy, follow the twitter feed, this was a disaster. >> yes. it was game over. >> and you talk about this moment from ben smith. >> yes, we are in the press file for the first debate, and traditionally at a presidential debate or any debate, the consensus of what happened is sort of rendered, in the spin room afterwards, reporters talk, and this is what happened, and you trust your judgment. if you were watching twitter during the first debate, everyone, and it was not just the political class, it was that romney looks good, presidential, and ben smith, the editor of buzz feed, a smart political decided why do we have to wait to say that romney won the debate? we already know. look at twitter. everybody says mitt romney had one -- had won. you were there. the romney campaign charged in, and i believe there was stephanie and david from the obam

david axelrod said something, i think, very smart, hillary clinton '07 terrible candidate.on '08, about to be lost coming from behind, turned out to be a great campaigner. which do we see? >> i think the '08 2.0, i think she's going to be much bet, surround herself -- and this is the criticism -- people around her take away, detract from her ability to be that candidate. so if she stockpile the smart and the best, and she goes out there and is herself, i think she's going to be formidable. the backdrop, if she decides not to get in, this falls to joe biden. >> right. >> here's a question, who's going to invite hillary clinton to campaign for them in 2014? >> you think some won't want to do it? i don't know. that's what i think now. >> very popular. >> is kay hagan? >> potentially. >> she's popular in red states. >> don't underestimate the secretary of state. >> there are a lot of, particularly, republican women who like hillary clinton. >> i was going to to say, i think hillary clinton is more popular in '014 than '06. >> secretary of state -- being secretary of state chang

the characterization that david axelrod played out. >> we have been questioning the e-mails and whether

gentlemen, i want to start with david axelrod who's been there and has maintained ties, i believe, atith some of the people over there. the president, it seems to be one of the rules of politics which you know very well, it's the topic of what people are talking about that drives the numbers. is there any way in the short run, that due to the incremental improvement in the health care -- >> i think that's already happened, one thing about this poll is 58% of the people asked, were asked what's framing their opinion, it was about health care. if that subsides and other things take precedence, then i think that will help improve the situation. the good news about this poll from the white house perspective is that so much of this is tied to health care. if they can get past this juncture and improve on the performance of this website, get past these stories and refocus on the economy, i think there's a good chance that a year from now we'll be having a different conversation. >> yeah, chuck, you and i know that the news is driven by things that go wrong. you don't cover a non-traffic acc