>> i agree with jose baez. it was uninuninspiring, false a, bad acting. i just didn't like it, and it's interesting, the prosecution has still not walked us through the movements of both the victim and the suspects so we can clearly see where we interacted and where they did not. >> yeah, i guess the heart of this, judge alex, did george zimmerman reasonably believe that he needed to use force to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm? that was the burden of the prosecution. did they get anywhere near that? >> really haven't throughout the case. i can't blame the prosecution. they start with a lack of evidence. trying to make a silk purse out of a sfow's ear. that's why we have all of the witnesses beneficial to the defense that were the prosecution's. they had to call what they had and try to make a case out of that. >> anna sigga, you tried murder cases and you have never lost one. >> i have been fortunate. >> how do you get beyond the one-eyewitne one-eyewitness, mma, ground and pound, consistent with that story? and get beyond reasonable doubt? >

joining us now, her defense attorney, jose baez.ing us, good morning. >> good morning, dan. >> what's your reaction, let me start by asking you, what is your reaction to this verdict? >> i wasn't surprised for a second. there was a reason law enforcement didn't arrest george zimmerman. and there was a reason the prosecutor in seminole county refused to file charges. and that's because they just simply didn't have the evidence. that doesn't mean that mr. zimmerman was innocent, but there was no eyewitnesses, and only one person's account. and no other forensic evidence to contradict it. i wasn't surprised for a second. >> so do you think there should be no legal ramifications for george zimmerman after having shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy? >> i don't think that at all. but in order to convict somebody in this country, you have to have a little thing called evidence. and sometimes, that's very difficult to do. our law is set up in a certain way where it tells you we don't have the ability to go back and find out exactly w

. >> we are going to talk to jose baez. he is no stranger to high profile cases in florida, and defended casey anthony. martin's father said even though i'm brokenhearted, my faith is unshattered. they are leaning on their faith. >> we will be hearing from their attorney. matt guttman is in florida, good morning to you. >> good morning. this case didn't start as front page news, it was a routine homicide that triggered a national debate about race. as they filed back into the courtroom, exhausted after 16 hours of deliberations, it wasn't about race, it was about the law, the state didn't provide enough evidence to convict him of second degree murder. a moment 17 months in the making. >> we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> a flicker of a smile from zimmerman, handshakes with his attorneys, and the embrace of his family. moments later, a free man. unfettered from the gps ankle bracelet and the million dollar bond. >> no further business with the court. >> reporter: played out for the 24 days. minutes after the v

. >>> let's bring in gloria allred, jose baez, who represented casey anthony, welcome to both of you. gloria, your reaction to what rob vereen was saying? >> most fascinating to me, he was only hired last week. i don't know how much time he spent with her. apparently he believes that really it is the job of the district attorney to coach or prepare the witness. i think that she would have benefited if he had been retained prior to her deposition. because once she gives her deposition under oath, then she's locked in to what she said, unless, of course, she corrects it afterwards, which she has an opportunity to do. she's going to be cross examined on that. also, he said he did not know what the defense theory of the case was. it would have been helpful to

back with me now, gloria allred and jose baez. you're involved a little bit with detective sorino. how did you think his testimony went down today? >> he's a straight shooter, he's going to tell it like it is, no matter who it helps. that's why a lot of people are saying, this is a good day for the defense. >> isn't he also going to confirm really why he and his colleagues took the actions they did on that night? in the sense that there was a lot of outrage there had been no charges against george zimmerman. they both come out today and give extensive testimony, saying, yes, we found him credible, consistent and so on, that lends to why they didn't do anything? >> i would disagree. if you look at the situation, they're not the ones that make the charging decision. that would be the state attorney's job. they had spoken with the state attorney previously who rejected to do a direct file. before they would make a decision on the case, the case was taken away and moved to jacksonville. if detective sorino had not done what he had done, we wouldn't have all these statements. the jury c

baez might be able to support this a little better than i.n, is a specific prosecution that caused the death of trayvon martin so good look on that. >> well, here's the thing, shawn. this issue with zimmerman and trayvon is a much bigger issue than zimmerman and trayvon. we don't need a department of justice investigation as to what happened that night. we need a department of justice investigation as to why 16 trayvons was shot and 20 died. why do those things happen? why was trayvon profiled in the first place? that's what we need an investigation on. >> a final question when we get back with our panel right after the break. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next. if

baez might be able to support this a little better than i. rights violation, is a specific prosecution that caused the death of trayvon martin so good luck on that. >> rod, your reaction? >> well, here's the thing, shawn. this issue with zimmerman and trayvon is a much bigger issue than zimmerman and trayvon. we don't need a department of justice investigation as to what happened that night. we need a department of justice investigation as to why 60 trayvons were shot july 4th weekend and why 20 died. why do those things happen? why was trayvon profiled in the first place? that's what we need an investigation on. >> a final question when we get back with our panel right after the break. [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness... accomplishing even little things can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel for my pain and stiffness, and to help stop joint damage. [ male announcer ] enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious

he's been covering this case, sunny hostin and jose baez, the criminal defense attorney in florida as well. martin, there was a lot of confusion, a lot of uncertainty whether judge nelson would allowed trayvon martin's use of marijuana that day to be admitted as evidence. now she says it can be admitted. the defense and the prosecution will go at that presumably tomorrow. give us a little background now. what's at stake here? >> well, there's a lot of stake and there had been a great deal of hearing testimony that had been heard there was ever a jury as to what kind of evidence might be introduced regarding the background and the previous life you could say of 17-year-old trayvon martin. and the judge basically said you couldn't introduce any of that because he's the victim here and you need to stay focused on the va events of that evening. however, remember shiping bao? he said the trace amounts of marijuana found in trayvon's blood stream were insignificant. on the witness stand he said he ainge changed his mind and he had spoken to an expert and was of the mindset that it might hav

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jose baez will join us shortly.eresting to look back and see all these cases and kind of how people ended up. people do have to go into hiding. casey anthony for one, because people get very invested in these trials. >> right. and o.j. simpson is, i think, the classic -- is perhaps the most extreme example. look, i wrote a whole book saying i thought he killed his ex-wife and ron goldman. but then he gets prosecuted in nevada on what i thought was a very weak case, got an extremely excessive sentence, trying to take back his memorabilia where someone es had a gun. o.j. simpson, who didn't have the gun, gets this enormous sentence. it's karma, you know, caught up with him, but it was really, il thought, a very questionable case. >> mark, you initially represented michael jackson. when you're in the midst of such a high profile case like that, how do you counsel somebody after it's done about trying to resume a life? obviously not in the michael jackson case, but in other cases are you involved in sort of the after ca

also criminal defense attorneys jose baez and mark geragos.do you make of the forensic evidence you heard today? the firearm expert talked about the gun being pressed up against trayvon martin's chest, and yet that is different than what the autopsy report is. >> indeed. it's a contradiction as to the distance the muzzle was from the clothing and the body. but i think if you think about it carefully, the bullet has to penetrate two items of clothing before it hits the body. medical examiners looking at the body looking for stippling, which comes from the burning particles that are on the skin. because there were these two items of clothing in between, you could see differences. you wouldn't necessarily see that stippling. therefore the medical examiner concluded it was not a contact shot, whereas the ballistics expert concluded properly it was a contact shot. >> does it really matter, though, in terms of the end result? >> the bottom line is, it was a struggle. it wasn't a shot from a distance. it's consistent with a struggle. >> mark, the pro

. >> bergman: jose baez was casey anthony's defense attorney. he attacked the ability of dr. vass to scientifically identify the smell of death. >> his opinion was, "you just have to trust me." and i don't think that that's acceptable for a courtroom. but you're willing to come to this jury... unless you can clearly show that a prosecution is presenting evidence that is faulty, you're running into a danger zone. let's say, for example, the prosecution presents one witness that says something, and they're relying on an expert, and the defense puts their own expert to explain that it's junk science. who are you going to believe? >> i think it's a little bit naïve to think that the adversarial system will have smart lawyers on both sides, and they'll duke it out, and we'll figure out the right answer. we need the science first, and then let them fight about what the good science means, as opposed to struggling with disciplines that don't have good science undergirding them. >> lawyers are scientifically illiterate, judges are scientifically illiterate, and certainly juries are.

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casey anthony's attorney, jose baez on deck to explain.decisions being made that you need to learn about today. also will eric holder pursue george zimmerman? full analysis with judge alex today. and how the media reacted since saturday night. and karl rove on the new push by house republicans, what they're doing now to push back at obamacare. and guess where martha is today? you'll find out in ten minutes, top of the hour to benefit cancer research i rode across the atlantic. crossing an ocean with your body as the motor, it hurts. so my answer was advil. [ male announcer ] paul ridley chose advil. because nothing is stronger on tough pain. real people. real pain. real relief. advil. relief in action. it fills you with energy... and it gives you what you are looking for to live a more natural life. in a convennt two bar pack. this is nature valley. nature at its most delicious. >> gretchen: george zimmerman now a free man, the entire trial has drawn a lot of attention since it began last month. our next guest no strange tore high profile

jose baez is joining us. also joining us is sunny hostin and our legal correspondent jean casarez.oks like that testimony was pretty strongly in favor of the defense, jose. how important was it? >> it's extremely important. for one thing, and that is that this trial has moved into a direction of who was on top, whose voice is that. wolf, i know vince di maio, i've worked with him. his book on gunshot wounds is the bible when it comes to gunshot wounds and is used by every forensic pathologist across the country. what this man says is extremely important. but the fact of what he says it's consistent with isn't necessarily definitive but the lack of prosecution on this issue gave it a lot more weight than it could have been. it still doesn't answer the question of who was the initial aggressor, who started this fight. the fact that at a certain point mr. zimmerman was on the bottom. i don't necessarily -- i wouldn't say it was a home run but it certainly is powerful testimony. >> did the prosecutors do a good job, sunny, in cross-examining this witness dr. di maio? >> i think so. a w

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in 1994 anthony baez in the bronx was choked to death by francis lavo it e, a member of the new york police department. he was indicted under state law, tried in a bronx county court. he was acquitted under state law. the federal government then stepped in with a grand jury and subsequent indictment and right in this courthouse behind us francis lavote was convicted of violating anthony baez's civil rights. across the river in the district represented by jerry nadler, myself, and nydia velazquez, nelson stabbed yankel rosenbaum, an hasidic man in crown heights during the 1991 disturbances. nelson was indicted under state law. he was tried, and he was acquitted. the federal government then stepped in, with a grand jury and a subsequent indictment. prosecuted limerick nelson under our nation's civil rights laws and he was convicted. i'm pleased that an investigation has been commenced i'm hopeful that as in those other cases and many others it will result in grand jury consideration as to whether george zimmerman violated trayvon martin's civil rights when he shot him to death in cold

also joining us, jeffrey toobin and jose baez and mark geragos. jeff, let's start with you. juror b29 says that zimmerman was guilty but could not vote for guilt on either second degree murder or manslaughter because as the law was read to her, and i'm quoting now, you have no proof that he killed him intentionally. those were her words. does that make sense to you legally speaking? >> well, it certainly is a garbled reading of the law. the issue wasn't intention. the issue wasn't zimmerman's intention. it was whether he was legitimately exercising self-defense or not. but look, she's not a lawyer. that's not a big difference. what i think is important to say just at the outset is that second thoughts by jurors are fairly common, and they have no legal significance. you can't get a verdict set aside. you can't change -- you can't get a retrial. nothing can happen as a result of a juror saying i wish i had voted another way. >> benjamin crump, let me play another part of the interview with abc. listen to this. >> i know that you've heard some people have said point blank, the

there was a police officer who choked to death anthony baez who was playing football in the streets withther. he was acquitted by a judge but then found guilty in a civil rights case as well. there is a precedence for this. >> i've just been five years wanting eric holder to be stronger do stuff and i don't have a lot of confidence he'll do it now. >> the administration is somewhat selective in what they choose to really promote and show fire. i have to--i agree. i have to think african-american president, and mind you, i don't think the president's statement was as strong as i would have liked it to have been. >> john: diplomatic. >> but i can't image that they do not push the civil case forward. >> john: let me ask, we're hearing a lot of talk from politician ohss for for a dialogue on race. if go to the internet that dialogue is in progress. but there is a need to defend mr. zimmerman, or the stand your ground law to try this person, and the new word is thug and thug is smeared all over the place. when you see that this kind of profile something going on after someone is already dead,

and there's music, odetta, joan baez, bob dylan, mahalia jackson, peter, paul and mary. celebrities, jackie robinson, paul newman, josephine baker, sidney poitier, lena horne, ossie davis and ruby dee, charlton heston, sammy davis, jr., marlon brando. the celebrities were everywhere. but what seemed to have gripped you as you spoke, and as you've written and talked about, in a sense, was those thousands upon thousands of nameless, ordinary people who were out there. >> it was unreal, unbelievable. when i got up to speak, i can see the people, the young people. i can see those middle aged and older people. i can see some members of congress down near the foot of the podium. it was a sea of humanity. >> were you intimidated? you were only 23. you had only been head of sncc, the student nonviolent coordinating committee, for what, a few weeks? >> only a few weeks. and my first responsibility was to travel to washington. we had a meeting with president kennedy in the oval office of the white house. and we told him we were going to march on washington. you know, president ken

let's talk about it with sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin, jose baez, robert horshorn, and mark geragos,ho said the trial was over in jury selection. sunny, i want to start with you. when this trial started, you said race had nothing to do with this. you did not see it through a prizm of race at all, yet after the verdict you changed your mind. >> i have changed my mind, and you're right, because i was seated in the courtroom and i listened to all the evidence come in as a former prosecutor, i didn't see this racial angle. because clearly the government was precluded from arguing race, and they claimed that it was a profiling case. but a criminal profiling case. but i think where i missed that piece was that i think that the jurors, especially when you listen to b37, sort of had these racial biases, these notions running in the backdrop of their mind. it was clear in that interview, it was an us and them reaction. she didn't find rachel relatable. she did relate to george zimmerman. so i think it was -- race was that elephant in the room that made its way into the jury room. >> mark, you

. >> same situation with the choking death of anthony baez by police officer francis lavoty. acquittal in the bronx. subsequent prosecution by manhattan federal prosecutors that was successful. and in an instance where an african-american stabbed an orthodox jewish man, rosenbaum, in new york, was acquitted by a brooklyn jury and subsequently prosecuted for a hate crime violation by the justice department in the absence of a smoking gun of racial animus. precedence does exist to move forward. >> that's a very important point. >> it's a critically important point. precedence matters. my point, if we telescope out and take a broader frame, at the end of the day we have got to reform our laws so that we're not -- because right now the attack is on all evidentiary standards and any race case. not just this one. the right is taking on what we call disparate impact which is whether or not we can look at the impacts of our decision-making on a whole group of people. >> and, in fact, the voting rights action, section 5, section 4 was essentially -- i mean, not on the same legal logic