jordan reuben, barbara mcquade are still with me. tart with the latest news that we are seeing from fulton county, georgia. and specifically the sheriff's office to send a team to miami. does that signal in terms of when and how we might hear from district attorney fani willis on a possible indictment at all? >> i think so. certainly going to miami to explore how security was kept for that arraignment, certainly signals that they expect to be hosting something very similar in the near future. i also think that the prior statement that fani willis gave earlier this summer when she said the she is asking the courts to clear their dockets in august was also a signal that that is likely a time when she expects that indictment to return. she didn't give a specific date which i think is probably prudent, she doesn't put up a bat signal for all the would-be trump protesters. but i think she needs to get people notice so they can prepare. she also asked her own employees to work from home that week so that they can clear out the area around t

near kathy a and barbara mcquade, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we have a lot more to get to this evening. republicans are finding themselves in quite a pickle about how to respond to donald trump's federal indictment. our very own steve kornacki joins me right here at the desk to break it all down. he may even wear a jacket. but i, what challenges lie ahead for prosecutors who had to rely on top secret documents to make their case to a jury? the top national security prosecutor is going to join me to explain how all of that is going to unfold. how it is even possible. stay with us. stay with us if we want a more viable future for our kids, we need to find more sustainable ways of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today. when the davises booked their vrbo vacation home, they didn't know about this view. or

barbara mcquade, there will be tapes.uments, it sounds like that tape is going to be part of it. >> it does, lawrence. based on this reporting, of course, we don't have all of the facts. but if this is accurate, this could be a very blockbuster piece of evidence. and that's because in a case like this, proving intent really is everything. unlike most crimes where ignorance of the law is no defense, when it comes to mishandling information, you have to purchase the opposite. it has to be a willful violation, you have to know that what you're doing is illegal. so, to have donald trump on tape discussing the limitations of his power to declassify and what he can and cannot do could really be important evidence to proving that element of the offense. >> bradley moss, and there is nothing wilder in the story and the idea that my job working for donald trump is to tape recorded him. how, how can someone like donald trump think it's a really good idea for someone to tape record everything i have to say here? >> yeah, it kind of

joining us now, barbara mcquade, former u.s.university of michigan law school. she is also a msnbc legal analyst. barb, what do you make of the second event at bedminster, with a trump advisor susie wildes? could this potentially lead to several charges being filed in new jersey? >> it could. it may be the kind of case, jonathan, where they will want additional evidence. maybe the document itself. like a guess is that the way to know about that is from susie wildes herself. the witness told them. they don't know the precise day, august or september, that sounds like someone's memory trying to reconstruct when something happened. maybe there is someone else present in the room, but there are real witnesses who can testify to the. what an early, i think prosecutors want to have more evidence than one word against another, but if you couple that with the other episode that occurred in july, when we heard the audio recording, you start having some pieces of a case that to put together. again, in that july episode, or there is that r

back with us barbara mcquade and harry lippman.seems to be a stress point in this particular notion of putting pressure on walt nauta because the pressure you are always putting is the prospect of a prison term that you will not want to serve, versus no time if you cooperate with the prosecutor. but he could end up with no time even if he is found guilty. >> yes, it is a bit of a wildcard with judge cannon here. the charges he is facing is very serious. the obstruction of justice alone carries statutory maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. although most often the sentencing guidelines and up with a sentence lower than that. and i think that a lawyer could make a compelling case here that he was a minor participant in a more serious crime. and maybe ask for an even lower sentence. but nonetheless he is facing some jail time. as you point out though judge cannon has an awful lot of power as the sentencing judge. typically a pellet courts are very differential to trial judges to impose sentence. only if doing something that was so

barbara mcquade, a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan michigan, and harry litman is still with us. jon, you were in the courthouse today. what do you want us to know? because, again no audio, no video. we are relying on what you tell us. >> i thought there were a couple of fascinating things, stephanie ruhle, number, one to harry's point about this president who does not like to stop talking, who hangs himself with his own words, often -- so striking to see them there in that -- completely silent for 15 minutes, not saying a word. occasionally one of his lawyers would whisper to his ear. the only thing that he did other than cross his arms a few times clasp his hands set his jaw, the only thing he did was signed a bond agreement. that's what the other interesting thing today. the prosecutors asked for very few conditions on his release on a personal surety. basically he does not have to -- pay anything, just a couple of basic conditions that they asked for. the judge actually went farther and

. >> barbara mcquade is with us as well. let's talk about why and how they picked which documents, which photographs they were going to put in this indictment? >> yeah, i always sort of think about the conference room where they're having these conversations about how to structure the charges and what to put in the document, and you will see that the 31 documents that are the basis for those espionage act charges detail what those documents are, and they sound incredibly serious. things like the foreign information about intelligence briefings of foreign countries, military capabilities of foreign countries. nuclear capabilities of foreign countries. all of that is incredibly important and you can imagine that if you are a foreign country that share information with the united states, you might be a little less willing to do that going forward knowing that donald trump could be president again and is so incredibly reckless with this information. but i imagine when prosecutors are sitting there, they're thinking about, one, w

joining me now, barbara mcquade, former united states attorney for the eastern district. also an nbc legal analyst. also jennifer reuben, opinion writer from of washington post, msnbc political analyst, author of the important book, resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. good morning to both of you, thank you for being with us. jennifer reuben, let me start with you this morning. because i think i've laid out the case here. whatever you think about the legal case, and your both lawyers, and there is going to be a trial, there has not been a trial, a jury, has not examine the evidence, but the argument coming from trump's world, the ridiculous. i am puzzled why very, very few people, not zero, because a number of republicans have looked at this and said these are serious charges, former attorney general bill barr says if it's true, trump is toast. pence won't even get on board with this stuff. but most republicans are full of whataboutism on this one. >> they really are. the reason they haven't made any specific criticisms of the indictment is it is one of

attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, great to see you again this morning. so we just relayed trump's newest defenses, and there have been so many since the saga began two summers ago. so tell us which of these do you think if any have any shot at all of holding up in court? >> none of these defenses are going to hold up in court, jonathan. this is all about trying to appease the base and convince them this is all a witch hunt and a hoax as he said there. but i'll tell you these statements that he's making could be damaging later if his lawyers want to mount a defense defense at trial. for example, the challenge might be i didn't have the willful intent because i didn't understand that these were harmful to the national security of the united states. well, then why did you lie about having them would be the cross examination? and when you change your story, it tends to show consciousness of guilt. but here's why i think the defenses aren't going to fly and it's this. we get to hear this audiotape. what the jury is going to get to hear are the witnesses prese

attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, we're so grateful you're with us this morning. let's start with the mark meadows piece of this. we now know he's been testifying before a grand jury. how key is this? what can we read in? what can we glean from this? >> i think a couple of things, jonathan. one is he really is an important witness. he was the right hand of donald trump throughout the january 6th events as well as his last days at the white house when he was collecting and taking home these documents that he allegedly has retained to this day. and so he was in a position to have a lot of important information. so that's one reason. another is it tells me that the investigation really is nearing its end because i don't think you could complete an investigation without talking to mark meadows. you would most certainly want to, and that's because you can't have any surprises because of his position, because he knew so much about what was happening on the inside, what you can't have happen is you indict a case and

attorney and msnbc contributor, our friend barbara mcquade. barbara, thank you again for joining us this morning. so let's start with this plea deal for hunter biden. what is your assessment? is this in line with normal parameters? if an average everyday person accused of doing the same thing getting this same kind of deal? >> no, actually. i think if an ordinary person had engaged in the conduct described in these documents they would get no charges at all. it's often difficult to assess exactly what the evidence is, though, because what's publicly shared is sometimes not the entire scope of it, but for tax charges ordinarily before a case becomes criminal even though the law certainly does permit this, prosecutors will use discretion to describe only tax fraud when there's a fraud involved, when there's a sort of deception, when there's a scheme that result in the proceed of the tax -- and the unpaid taxes. and so ordinarily at least in my former district a case like that would have been resolved civilly. with regard to the gun charge, that i

attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, great to see you on a big morning despite trump's claim they did everything wrong and they indicted me anyway. that's not what the government says. let's start with what we witnessed inside the courtroom. what more did we learn from the arraignment? anything else stand out to you? >> one of the things we learned wasn't trump's arraignment but in the non-arraignment of walt nauta. i fear this could be the first of many delays in this case. both have speedy trial rights, but the speedy trial clock won't begin until the second defendant, walt nauta, is arraigned. and i do worry delay will be the game donald trump plays throughout this, through the filing of motions, discovery, and if he gets a favorable ruling from judge canon even to delay the case beyond the 2024 trial. i'm sure jack smith said in his press conference he wants to a speedy trial. it's the public's right as much as it is the defendant's right. >> reporters in the courtroom suggest trump and jack smith did not com

my dear friend barbara mcquade, a veteran federal prosecutor, and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. mr. schmidt, for months, we have been wondering what is mark meadows been up to. what more can you tell us about his testimony? >> well, look, mark meadows is someone who is incredibly important to these two investigations into trump. as we remember, the january 6th investigation uncovered a lot, it learned a lot about what happened in the lead up to, enduring, that day. but they never got mark meadows testimony. he refused to cooperate with that investigation to the point that the justice department had to look into whether they needed to charge him, in connection with that. here, you have jack smith, once again, showing the abilities that he has with a criminal authorities to obtain the testimony of those people closest to trump. there was no public fight in a similar fashion to the way that meadows was able to fend off congress. he has met with the grand jury, that has been looking at these matters, related to the special counsel's inv

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attorneys, barbara mcquade and harry litman. barbara and harry are of course also msnbc legal analysts. thank you for being here. harry, let me first start with your reaction to the subpoenas that we are finding out about in fulton county and how meaningful you think they are in the building of a larger case against trump vis-Ã -vis his efforts to steal the election. >> so i think they're very meaningful but for exactly the reason you said, that is, they show that when trump, january 2nd, is calling raffensperger, he already has the information that it's a lie. and that makes a charge under georgia law of solicitation to commit election fraud all the stronger. the reports also included teasing hints that because it's out-of-state conduct maybe willis is stretching to make this case already pretty sprawling into a state rico case which would be gargantuan. because that also lets her sweep in criminal conduct from other states. i wouldn't be so sure about that yet because as you say there's a very good reason she would need it with

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joining us now, barbara mcquade, former u.s.- msnbc legal analyst, also bradley moss, national security attorney and former clerk for the national security archives. barbara mcquade, there will be tapes and if there is a prosecution on the documents, it sounds like that tape is going to be part of it. >> it does, lawrence. you know, based on this reporting, of course we don't have all of the facts, but if this is accurate, this could be a real blockbuster piece of evidence. and that is because, in a case like this, proving intent really is everything. unlike most crimes, where ignorance of the law is no defense, when it comes to mishandling classified information, you have to prove just the opposite. it has to be a willful violation. you must know that what you are doing is illegal. and so to have donald trump on tape discussing the limitations of his powers to declassify, what he can and cannot do, could really be important evidence to -- >> bradley moss, there is nothing wilder in this story than the idea that my job working f

back with us, barbara mcquade, and harry litman.in this particular notion of putting pressure on walter nauta. the pressure that you are always putting is the prospect of a prison term you won't want to serve, versus no time, if you cooperate with the prosecutor. but, he could end up with no time, even if he's found guilty. >> it's a bit of a wildcard with judge cannon here. the charges he is facing are serious. the obstruction of justice alone carries statutory maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, although, most often, the sentencing guidelines and up with a sentence lower than that. i think the lawyer could make a compelling case here that he was a minor participant in a more serious crime, and maybe asked for an even lower sentence. nonetheless he's facing some jail time. as you point out, judge cannon has a lot of power as a sentencing judge. typically, appellate courts are differential to trial judges, to impose sentences. if only she doesn't think someone reasonable with the justice department be able to get a sense of sea

and barbara mcquade, msnbc legal analyst for the u.s. attorney in michigan, and a law professor at the university of michigan law school. thank you both for coming back on the show. bob, what do we make of the news that the grand jury in this special counsel's case is reconvening this week after a lack of activity, shall we say, in recent weeks? should donald trump be worried? >> yes, although it's impossible to know, mehdi, exactly whether meeting. it could be because of hearing another testimony, it could be because or hearing this recording, or some testimony about it. or it could be that they are there to indict. a session would be called to bring in the members of the grand jury if the prosecutors were going to present them with a proposed indictment. the grand jury is charged on the law, they get an opportunity to ask questions, to go through the document, and the prosecutors leave and then deliberate among themselves and vote on whether they want to return an indictment. so it could be that that time has been scheduled for them to

and barbara mcquade, university of michigan law professor and former u.s. attorney, plus jen psaki, host of msnbc's "inside with jen psaki" on sundays at noon. more major decisions to end this term. please sum them up. i'm just looking at the lgbtx decision and i can see anplication to civil rights law that can have broader consequences down the road. >> i think what you're seeing, andrea, in combination between today's decisions and the decision yesterday on affirmative action is a court that is deeply divided with dramatically different world views about discrimination, about the rights of disenfranchised minorities and what to do about that. in the case of the graphic disciper in colorado she says i'm happy to make websites for gay people in general, and just don't want to do wedding websites. and the problem with that it runs head first into public accommodation laws in the state of colorado, like many places it says you cannot discriminate against people for sexual orientation. so if you're going to hold yourself open to as a business for everybody you

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joining us now is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan.rofessor at the university of michigan school of law. barb, thank you so much for being with us tonight. i'm so glad we were able to get your for this story with this late breaking news. >> i'm glad to be here, rachel. >> so, let me just get your top line reaction. we obviously had some of this tape described in the indictment line for line. there were some ellipses in the indictment, not every line that's on the state was reflected in the indictment. it strikes me as potentially important when trump says explicitly, these are the papers. which would seem to cast no doubt on whether or not he was actually holding papers that he was describing to this writer. as prosecutor, as a former prosecutor, as a lawyer, how do you hear this as evidence? >> i have two reactions to it. one, as a former prosecutor, it makes my hair stand on a bit to see this in the public domain. prosecutors try to keep this stuff safeguarded so that you can't have witness tampering and crowd sourcing of defenses. n

attorney and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. all right, so that last argument about clinton's sock drawer i think is perhaps the most interesting here, tom fitton, the head of judicial watch told reuters he went into the special counsel's grand jury, jack smith's grand jury in d.c. to explain why he thought under that ruling from amy berman jackson made it so that donald trump didn't do anything wrong, that he could declassify anything, he had the right to anything under that ruling from her. what do you think of that argument? is it likely one we're going to hear in donald trump's defense? >> you're not only going to get me down into the weeds, you're going to get me down into the sock drawer, apparently? >> we hear it a lot. it's worth going through it. i have heard this over and over again. >> it's difficult to sort out. i don't want to try to make something complicated that should be simple. but the presidential records act came in after watergate. there's a great amount of respect that is afforded the president of the unite

i want to bring back barbara mcquade.hours after deliberations, it's a pretty clear-cut case here. what's your reaction to it? >> yeah. that is quick. it's interesting because what you heard there is about the importance of the motivation in this case. this is not a murder trial that could be held in state court. this is a federal case. the offenses here were interfering with the exercise of one's religion. that was important to show not just that he shot and killed these people, but that he did so for the purpose of interfering with their religion. when someone appears at a religious service, kills them at their synagogue and has published anti-semitic thoughts, that seems like a strong case. the defense was that he was part of the great replacement theory. he was one of those advocates who was concerned about the role of the jewish community in assisting in refugee resettlement. it was a fine line about whether that motive could be met. it is. now we go to the next phase, penalty phase, where the justice department is s

attorney and an msnbc contributor, barbara mcquade, and msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. danny here on set with us in new york. let's start with you. let's broadly -- let's start with your reaction to these indictments and the charges that are reported to be coming. what's your take? is this what you expected? >> to me the moment yesterday when trump was informed that he was a target, that was the tipping point where i realized, oh, something is coming and probably very soon. and sure enough really within a matter of hours, the indictment comes down. and a lot of the charges in in the indictment were not much of a surprise. we expected an espionage act charge. now, the espionage act conjures up images of spies in trench coats and foreign governments, but it really doesn't require that. here it really can just be the retention of not just classified documents but anything that is national defense information, anything that satisfies something that doesn't have to be classified. if it is something that is national defense information, retention of that document, refusal to

this all just strengthens him, strengthens him along the base. >> barbara mcquade, when we first are talking about these classified documents and we found out that joe biden had some and mike pence had some, there was a lot of conversation about the fact that america classifies a lot of documents. someone argued over classifies documents. there's a difference between is taking some budget review in your top drawer and what it's alleged that donald trump might have done. this document that we're talking about, the recording that they've got of donald trump, since we talked about an attack plan on iran, that seems to go to a whole different level of the kind of stuff you're not supposed to be having, that a national security breach. does that make a difference what the content of the documents are that donald trump has? are there such things as taking innocuous documents between taking -- would that affect a decision? >> it would, under the law, any type of classified information is treated the same, but the espionage act to be specifically to national defense information. it's separat

"washington post" national security reporter devlin barrett and barbara mcquade is with us as well.ve more on when this recording was made and who was around at the time. what do you know about those circumstances? >> right, so this recording happened in july of 2021 so almost two years ago, and it happened at a time when trump was particularly angry at the joint -- chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a guy named mark milley. other people in the room were a young aid to trump and people who are helping trump's former chief of staff mark meadows write a book, and there's a version, a condensed version of this conversation in meadows' book. >> and so barbara, the trump attack is just waiting this off, slamming this as politically motivated, but how significant could this evidence be? >> legally, ana, it's very significant. first, it could be used in a trial to show that donald trump had the knowledge of the classification rules. one of the things that makes it difficult to prove a case of mishandling classified documents is you must prove a willful violation, that is that the perso

barbara mcquade, former u.s.msnbc legal analyst, and nbc's vaughn hillyard who joins me here in studio. david, this is the first national poll to show real softening in trump's numbers since his florida's court appearance, and there's one more number i want to put out there, 47% of republicans and republican leaning registered voters back trump, but that's down six points from last month. though, as you can see still 21 points higher than florida governor ron desantis. what do these numbers tell you? is this a blip or something more substantial potentially? >> we need more time to find out. i think there are a couple of things at play here. first, donald trump still has a healthy lead nationally in the polls over ron desantis and other republicans. the question about his slipping, is it on the substance of the charges against him or is it in the more rational lane of republicans really want to win. this notion of a rational republican today would say i'd rather go against joe biden with a candidate that has not b

. >> joining me now, barbara mcquade, a former u.s. attorney and an msnbc legal analyst.e, nbc's stephanie gosk who is following this story for us. stephanie, do we really know what's in this indictment? because you and i were having a question before this. there's an awful lot we don't know about this case. >> yeah. there's an awful lot we don't know. and starting with that indictment, right? it's still under seal and it might be released at the arraignment, which is scheduled for june 28th. but we know that he was charged with second-degree manslaughter in this case. and you know you have a response from jordan neely's family saying that this in their words is the right result for the wrong he, meaning daniel penny, committed. but there you have it. very forcefully from his own mouth. daniel penny saying that this was a way to protect himself, that people in that train feared for their lives and that's what he was trying to do, that he meant to restrain him and in his words not kill him. >> so barbara, how tricky are self-defense claims? what do you need to show or, you

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barbara mcquade?ered very well i think what we might expect today, but i think what comes next is also very important because, although an arraignment is a very routine event, it is a significant event because it triggers many other things, including the setting of the trial schedule. so i would imagine that in short order judge cannon will be issuing a schedule for all things like the motion cutoff, discovery cutoff, a plea cutoff and a trial date. the first trial date may eventually get put out. put the defendant is entitled to a trial within 70 days, but i would imagine in donald trump's case what he really wants to do is to push the trial date as far into the future as possible. we know from jack smith's comments that the government is seeking a speedy trial, which is also the right of the public. so i imagine there will be a little action in terms of the trial date. >> legal analyst lisa reuben and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, thank you so much on this historic day. and eugene robinson,

smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight, nbc capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, barbara mcquade, and veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and doctor danielle harvat, former d. c. chief and homeland security and intelligence who was the one who warned of potential violence. barbara, let's start with you. what do you make of the special counsel's apparent focus now on bedminster? do you think that we could see charges filed against trump in my own home state of and jay? >> it's possible. this episode we have a don't trump showing a document, i don't know that we have the document, but one thing that is really interesting that i think undercuts his story about this was all bravado, is the language that jack smith uses in the indictment. he doesn't just say the donald trump is saying these things. it says, he showed a document to staffers. and when there is a trial, we're not just going to listen to the state, we are going to hear testimony from the witnesses who were there, who will say whether they saw this document, and so, if

joining us this morning, nbc's justice and intelligence correspondent, ken delanen, and barbara mcquade msnbc legal analyst, and u.s. former attorney and law professor at the university of michigan. walk us through this deal and the charges. >> good morning, josÉ. so hunter biden is agreeing to plead guilty to two misdemeanor counts of willful failure to pay income taxes in 2016 and 2018. we know he paid back more than a million dollars, or paid a tax bill of more than a million dollars last year as part of the effort to resolve this case, and those are misdemeanors and carry a maximum of 12 months of jail. we understand that the agreement in this case is that he will not serve jail time but get probation. there's also a felony charge of possession of a firearm by a prohibited users. he's admitting to the facts of that charge but both sides are agreeing there will be an alternative disposition program, essentially if he follows the rules that will go away and not be on his record, and that's a felony charge but he's not being charged with a felony, and there are two takeaways, he's admi

joining me now are neil katyal, and barbara mcquade. bothrb are msnbc legal analysts.arb, let me just first talk to you about judge canon's cv and whether or not -- i found it alarming in its lack of breadth and depth on these issues that she's going to be confronting presumably overseeing this case. how did you understand this reporting? what is your assessment of it? >>sm yeah, you know, her credentialsea certainly are muc thinner than most people applying to be federal judges, and 38 is quite young. not to say that a person who's 38 is incapable of doing such an important job. it's just they haven't had the kind of't experience you might like to see in a judge, someone who's been to trial, seen verdicts, seen cases go haywire, all of thees crazy things that n happen in the courtroom to be able to withstand the things lawyers try. sometimes lawyers try to push you, to bully you. and lawyers who have been around for a while i think are better suited to judgeships when they've had that experience.xp she's not the youngest in the nation'syo history. the aba deemed her t

us, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times, and our dear friend barbara mcquadeteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. we've got a lot to cover. barb, before we get to all of that, there is another story that crossed in the last couple of hours. the department of justice has now turned over trial discovery information to donald trump and his legal team and a classified documents case, the mar-a-lago case. what does this tell you? >> well, it shows me that jack smith is not wasting any time. it is rather routine to begin the discovery process, usually within about ten days of the arraignment the prosecutor will start to turn over documents. but we see jack smith jumping right on. this they will need to have some sort of meeting to discuss the protocols for the classified information. but everything that is not classified, he is getting it out the door and giving it over to the defense. i will note, in particular, one thing that caught my eye is they are even including witness grand jury testimony and witness intervie

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barbara mcquade, msnbc legal analyst, -- state of michigan, and co-host of the hashtag -- podcasts. this, in my opinion, was an incredible speaking indictment, from special counsel jack smith. clearly written, detailed. smith left no crumbs. i could not see a pathway for donald trump to successfully wind a motion to dismiss. what's your opinion? >> i agree with that, katie. one of the things that they do, i think exceptionally well here, is detail some of the evidence. as you say, this is what's called a speaking indictment. the law requires only that you state the language of the statute that's violated, so this could have been done in a much briefer form, but i think when you have something, whether it's likely to be -- the importance of public confidence, they wanted to lay out the strength of the case. and so, we see things like text message exchanges, and statements that trump's lawyers wrote down about -- donald trump himself made, conversations that -- other employees. while not a gave to the npr when he lied to them. and so, all of those things really demonstrate a strong ca

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