was for his father george and his father george was a opponent of barry goldwater who in one thousand six hundred you supported you know who and what i remember george i grew up in michigan he was my governor in one thousand sixty four that george and he said i accept the goldwater nomination but i do not endorse and he refused to campaign for him and that by the way is an important reason why he was in the nominee in one nine hundred sixty eight and young mitt who was his father's one of his father's closest political allies a brilliant young man their very youngest son their very very close father was too blunt too confrontational and his father alternately lost the big prize too to what extent has has money corrupted the republican party and the conservative movement it seems that the values this whole the traditional value systems even have been set aside in the pursuit but it was not is this is a place where you cannot distinguish the parties that the wash of money through washington has transformed everybody and everything over to the book that one of the villains of the book is

. >> host: when you think of barry goldwater and libertarians is there a difference? where do you see yourself? >> and has been watered down because george to be bush ran as a conservative but he double the debt and was a profit -- profligate spender. we were upset with obama making it worse. many people call them sells libertarian to designate as a constitutional conservative. >> host: you wrote this before you had time in the u.s. senate what would you change? has your thinking changed? >> i feel landers stand more how much we're at an impasse getting stuff done. i tried to take ideas that many democrats have put forward but i cannot get democrats to talk to me. i had appointments with several different democratic senators to work on as a security reform. it can be saved 75 years are in perpetuity if we gradually raise the age and mean test the benefits but i cannot get democrats to discuss the possibility. >> host: what about your own party? >> half and half. i meekly critical of my party that all 47 u.s. senators are for a balanced budget amendment. but when we cu

like a young bo derek stuffed with a barry goldwater. - you sound weird. do you have a beard? not for long. it's back to reality. no more making love on the beach surrounded by a privacy circle of english-trained butlers. but i've got to get out of island mode and back into work mode. how was your summer?

senator barry goldwater >> you agree that just as a matter of political course to be labeledded a liberal, a mcgovern liberal even... >> that's the worst kind of liberal there is >> the interesting thing about liberalism to me -- and i would say this to some of my fellow democrats who seem to be running away from it as it's a kind of a swear word -- is that virtually every program that we now have on the statute books that most americans support i would say that barry goldwater and george mcgovern could probably ghettoing on most of those programs. those began as liberal initiatives over conservative opposition. >> woodruff: it was that sometimes advocacy of the liberal ideal that animated his career. george stanley mcgovern was born july 19, 1922 in the tiny farming town of avon south dakota. son of a methodist minister. he flew 35 harrowing missions over europe during world war ii, winning the distinguished flying cross as a young army aviator. in 2001 he spoke withe th newshour about those missions >> we had no choice in the second world war. i never thought there was any choice. we ha

he did so alongside bike barry goldwater starting in the 1950s. early in the career he would be a staunch advocate for unions in south carolina back in the '0s and '40s when the union vote was an important vote. he switches in the 50s and '60s he becomes a die hard support are of business and aalready. he is important role in conservative politics. he joins the board of bob jones university in 1950. he does it to win votes in the country of south carolina. bob joandz had moved to the country of south carolina. moved the university and thurmond needed votes in the upcountry of south carolina. he lost the 1950 race in the

somebody hit me and said barry goldwater said you ought to talk on issues more. how can barry goldwater sitting in arizona know whether i'm talking on the issues or not when we put out position paper after position paper? he puts out position paper after position paper, and we see this much about it, because everyone else is fascinated with polls and who's up or down today and who's going to be up or down tomorrow. so i think we can all share, with respect, in the fact that maybe the message is not getting out. but it's not getting out because there are too few debates. there will be no more debates. [applause] >> governor dukakis, you have one minute to respond, sir. >> i can understand, after the vice presidential debate, why mr. bush would want no more debates. [laughter, boos] that's my five seconds. andrea, i think we both have a responsibility to try to address the issues. yes, we have fundamental differences. i think a great many of them have come out today. and i think if we get rid of the labels -- and i'm not keeping count, but i think mr. bush has used

he was the key figure in opposing labor unions and did so alongside people like barry goldwater in the late 1950s, even though earlier in his career was awe staunch advocate of unions in south carolina in the 30s and 40s, when the union vote was an important vote in south carolina. but he switches in the 50s and 60s and by 1970s becomes a die hard supporter of business against labor, and then he also had an important role in conservative evangelical politics. joins the board of bob jones university in 1950. he does it to win votes, and the upcountry of south carolina. been jones just moved to the country. just moved his university, and thurmond needed votes in the upcountry of south carolina. he lost the 1950 race for the senate. largely on votes he didn't win in the upcountry. that began a long process, a long relationship of thurmond with consecutives, fundamentalists and evangelical folks looking to get

he did so well along people like barry goldwater. even though early in his career a staunch advocate of unions in south carolina. he switches in the 50's and 60's. becomes a die-hard supporters of business against lever. he also, an important role in conservative evangelicals politics. he joins the board above jones university in 1950. he does it to win votes. in the up country of south carolina. .. >> at 12:45 a.m. eastern, 945 pacific, reporting on the largest manhunt in modern california history. booktv visits the united states naval academy. politics, history, and war will be covered. visit booktv.org for a complete schedule of this week's programming and watch as all become weekend long on c-span2 and a booktv.org. up next, dakota meyer talks about the battle in afghanistan and his efforts to rescue soldiers that were ambushed by taliban forces. dakota meyer became the first living marine to receive the medal of honor since the vietnam war. this is about 45 minutes. >> i would like to welcome everybody. this is my official welco

father basically taking a stand and admires his father greatly for this. >> narrator: but it was barry goldwater's convention. >> i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. (crowd cheers) >> narrator: and when goldwater received the nomination, mitt saw his father angrily storm out. >> i think that my father was always willing to live according to his principles. he didn't shy away from any challenge. he was a very strong person in doing that. and we learned that you have to live up to what you believe in. >> narrator: one thing george romney believed in was the vietnam war. and one year later, when mitt showed up at stanford university, he would adopt his father's position. >> so, he is very much on his father's side for the vietnam war at that time. he is really out of his element where the whole campus is being roiled by this anti-war and anti-establishment protest. >> narrator: mitt took on the protestors. >> mitt romney is a fairly rule-bound person. he actually protested the protestors. he held up a big sign that said, "go back to your studies." >> and we see the

the amount of property he was able to amass at that time in phoenix, he meets the protÉges of barry goldwater who is really shaking things up. he hitches up with these guys and one of the people is a key guy for goldwater and has also gotten the attention of the nixon administration, john mitchell, who is this friends and campaign manager and is going to be his attorney general. so he says, this guy is smarter mitchell's us, we'll need more than one cowboy. one cowboy is enough. but you persuade him to bring him to the hotel where the campaign headquarters are. and rehnquist comes in and he leads a private meeting. and he has the job. >> host: we will pick up after this. >> guest: thank you. >> "after words" is available via podcast great booktv.org and click on podcast on the upper left-hand side of the page. select which podcast you'd like to download and listen to a good enough while you travel. >> host: welcome back, john jenkins. we will pick up on are talking about william rehnquist. the first welcome i value and how you wrote this book in 2012. >> guest: it did not take me that long. >

barry goldwater set politics is nothing more than public business. we no compromise is needed. the difficulty right now has been the house republicans have put our stake in the ground by passing the budget and a lot of the ads against me are saying believes this or that, but we cannot get harry reid to put their stake in the ground. that has been a very frustrating for many of us that are used to working across the aisle and used to reaching an agreement. dr. carmona said he was a surgeon general recorded by republican but it is worth a note he was not as to stay on for a second term. that is part of the temperament issue we're talking about. when we look at his record, it appears in a 12-year time, we paid him about $2 million. he participated in somewhere between 1213 hundred meetings and subcommittee meetings of which he was absent from two- thirds of them. as he traveled the country and the world on all of these things. some of them paid by special interest groups to go to resorts when he should of been at committee meetings he did not go to. as relates to my tenure as surg

and barry goldwater, she said, never gave a damn who you slept with.and that was the party now who does give a damn. and it is, stephen breyer said, after the court decided the seattle and louisville, desegregation case, overturned those, he said it is not often in law that so few have quickly undone so much. and that was even before citizens united, which i think is the defining case so far of the roberts court. now remember, the conservative of the '60s, the '70s, moderate republicans in the senate and court, the core idea of conservatives at the supreme court was judicial restraint. the idea that courts should, if at all possible, defer to the elected ranges of government. should not overturn law. and it was the liberals who are always trying to overturn law. and it was potter stewart and lewis powell and sandra day o'connor who were preaching judicial restraint. but citizens united was a case where just a few years earlier, george w. bush had signed the mccain-feingold law or in just two years earlier, or more than two as i think, for years earlier

they made the decision to paint him as a latter day barry goldwater because it poll tested bertd thanus groups when they talked about romney as a flip-flopper. that may be so. romney is a guy that lacks ate lot of core convictions. now obama comes back to it, and that's what he harps on in the debate. >> do you think we have different expectations for candidates depending on whether they're an incumbent or challenger? in 2008 the president was called no drama obama. one of the things that were appeal about him was he seem, cool, calm and collected in the face of the financial crisis, and that was his demeanor during the debates. when he came out in the first debate, his demeanor similar in that way was judged as aloof and distant and disconnected. do we have different expectations depending on whether the candidate is a challenger or incumbent? >> first of all, the short answer is yes. as regards obama, i think that's been the fine line that he's had to walk. to appear as this guy with many famous menthe lated cool and then appears engaged. it was the most damning nare tif of obama ch

are latecomers and happen to be articulating some of that same things that were articulated by barry goldwaterd the 48 years ago but the roots of the problem don't lie with the tea party. as a matter of fact i had a tea party heckler at a speech the other night and he and i spent the first two-thirds of dialogue agreeing on a situation in america. he started describing how bad the situation was in flint michigan and i said you're making my case. i'm right with you. keep going to reset on your worst nightmare, mr. smith. i said keep going. we finally got the point he started to say people watching off the public trough want to collect union pensions. my answer to that is show me any civilization, any story or the people who are the weakest are the ones that have changed things and made things worse. it's the people that have power and money and political clout. those are the people that change things so i think their narrative goes off track when he starts to blame individuals and the question was over year earlier about people not paying mortgages and that kind of thing but it's like having pn

>> stephanie: i was saying earlier that my dad ran be barry goldwater, and i was saying i somehow can'tonly endorsed president obama because he is black. >> yeah, and what differentiates the president is he always appeals to what we have in common. there's no place for that nasty rhetoric in our country, particularly because we have so many challenges ahead, but they are all solvable if we come together and work together and i think -- i know when the president is reelected, it will send a strong message that that's not where the american people are. they want their electived representatives to get in there and work hard just like they are trying to do. they want to make sure the people elected does. >> stephanie: and when he makes that point in a place like ohio -- i think the reason he is ahead in the battleground states is because they know he's not stupid. the president has enacted real policy in these states. correct? >> so correct. i woman came up to me and said she had kidney cancer, but her father owned a small business and was not able to afford health insurance for her mom. an

leaflet on campus or collect a quarter for a civil rights group or even hand out a leaflet for barry goldwater for president who was the candidate who had been nominated in san francisco. so the students tried to negotiate with the university. the university refused. in defiance some students set up a card table at the main administration building and handed out leaflets. in short order a police cruiser pulled into the middle of the plaza and arrested somebody named jack weinberg who was behind the table but before they could go anywhere students began to sit around the police car and the entire plaza was filled with students around the police car and they held them captive for the next 33 hours and that was the beginning of the free speech movement. [applause] they went on to stage a number of protests to negotiate with the university, ultimately put on what was the biggest sit in in the nation's history, roughly 800 people were arrested for sitting overnight's for all hall. in the end the regents revoked this rule, is essentially admitting that it was an unconstitutional infringement on free

he meets the proteges and supporters of barry goldwater who is really shaking things up, and, um, kind of as a precursor to ronald reagan. goldwater back in the early '60s. and so e hitches up with these guys -- he hitches up with these guys, and one of the people he meets is richard kleindenst. and he's a key guy for goldwater and it has also gotten the attention of the nixon administration. and john mitchell who's nixon's best friend, campaign manager and is going to be his attorney general. so kleindenst is invited to become the number two man at justice, and he says i need rehnquist with me. he's really smart. this guy is smart. and mitchell opposes it at first because he says we don't need more than one cowboy. one cowboy is enough -- just from arizona, right. >> guest: one cowboy from arizona's enough. but kleindenst persuades him to bring rehnquist to the pierre hotel where their transition headquarters is. and rehnquist comes in, and he leaves a private meeting with mitchell, and he's got the job. >> host: second big break. robert jackson, richard kleinden srx st, and we'll pic

people to the right of people that i always thought were very conservative, like kilpatrick and barry goldwater. now we got people to the right of them who seem to think that--that government should be used in a punitive way against poor people. i mean, it's not just that they're opposed to welfare. it's like, 'let's really make sure these people never get a chance to get anywhere.' i can't--it's just so mean-spirited. c-span: which cons... >> guest: and i don't think most people are like that. c-span: which conservative makes your skin crawl the most when you hear them, see them, talk to them, read them? >> guest: jesse helms sets me off pretty bad. i'm--i just find him a--a mean-spirited person. there are a few others. c-span: you talk a lot about texans in your book. phil gramm? >> guest: phil gramm, there's another one. he's--he's--there's something in addition to--to the mean-spiritedness. there's a kind of smarminess about gramm that i find distasteful. but then i don't like him. some people do. c-span: congressman tom delay from houston? >> guest: oh, no. now we're talking about my favor

. >> and when you think of barry goldwater and think of conservatives and libertarians, is there a difference between a conservative and will be libertarian. >> people don't know what conservative is. george w. bush ran as a conservative but doubled the debt and many of us consider him a prove flag great spender himself, and we were upset with obama for making it worse. so many people call themselves libertarian to destination themselves with a true belief. >> now after a couple of years of being in the u.s. senate, what you change in here, if anything, and has your mind -- your thinking changed at all? >> i would say that going up there, i feel that i -- i understand more now how much there is an impasse, we're having trouble getting things done. what i don't still understand, even though i am in washington, i've tried to take ideas that many democrats have put forward and say we have to do but it can't get any democrats to talk to me. the media narrative is we won't talk to them. have had several appointments disdemocratic senators to work on social security reform. social security can be s

i know barry goldwater, had he been there, i'm sure if he asked mr.flake about his vote for the patriot act, i will bet he will roll in his grave. the bush era tax cuts do not do enough. we need to abolish tax cuts -- taxes entirely. barack obama said he did not want to raise taxes on the middle class because the middle class buys cars. so did the rich. the rich spend money, too. the rich are part of the crowd that invest money to create jobs. that is what we need to be doing in america -- cutting everybody's taxes as far as possible. >> we got you. congressman, would you ok $3 in spending cuts for every $1 and revenue? >> you will never get that bargain. i believe there are some republicans who say you go -- if you lower the top tax rate, that you cannot produce any new revenue for government. i do not believe that. i say if we generate new revenue, then pay down the debt faster, by down the rate further. so i am not one who says he cannot generate any new revenue. there was a question a while ago about and ethanol subsidy that i have been trying to

i know barry goldwater, had he been there, i'm sure if he asked mr.flake about his vote for the patriot act, i will bet he will roll in his grave. the bush era tax cuts do not do enough. we need to abolish tax cuts -- taxes entirely. barack obama said he did not want to raise taxes on the middle class because the middle class buys cars. so did the rich. the rich spend money, too. the rich are part of the crowd that invest money to create jobs. that is what we need to be doing in america -- cutting everybody's taxes as far as possible. >> we got you. congressman, would you ok $3 in spending cuts for every $1 and revenue? >> you will never get that bargain. i believe there are some republicans who say you go -- if you lower the top tax rate, that you cannot produce any new revenue for government. i do not believe that. i say if we generate new revenue, then pay down the debt faster, by down the rate further. so i am not one who says he cannot generate any new revenue. there was a question a while ago about and ethanol subsidy that i have been trying to

somebody hit me and said barry goldwater said you ought to talk on issues more. how can barry goldwater sitting in arizona know whether i'm talking on the issues or not when we put out position paper after position paper? he puts out position paper after position paper, and we see this much about it, because everyone else is fascinated with polls and who's up or down today and who's going to be up or down tomorrow. so i think we can all share, with respect, in the fact that maybe the message is not getting out. but it's not getting out because there are too few debates. there will be no more debates. [applause] >> governor dukakis, you have one minute to respond, sir. >> i can understand, after the vice presidential debate, why mr. bush would want no more debates. [laughter, boos] that's my five seconds. andrea, i think we both have a responsibility to try to address the issues. yes, we have fundamental differences. i think a great many of them have come out today. and i think if we get rid of the labels -- and i'm not keeping count, but i think mr. bush has used

barry goldwater would be too liberal for them today. he was not against gays in the military.has become a litmus test party that is so narrow that you just have to wonder how long it will be a national factor? >> do you miss politics? >> i am still involved, because i really love the policy, i do a lot of speaking. and i'm out and do a lot of speaking for candidates, individual candidates and i'm able to do a lot of things. >> you are campaigning for senator scott brown in massachusetts, what about him appeals to you? >> he has been an independent thinker, and i like that. he has been able to stand up to the leadership in congress, and it is not easy to do. >> you live here in a home that is a beautiful -- it is a horse farm. >> actually, it used to be hay, now it is mulch hay, and we run pigs and cattle, it is where i grew up. >> so are you a city girl or a country girl? >> no, this -- i'm a country girl, this has been my home, my parents bought this, and i farmed it ever since. >> we loved our time with her, and we'll begin two weeks of office politics. >>> and still ahead,

and besides my dad was entirely too busy explaining barry goldwater's position on nuclear weapons.tephanie: yeah somebody made that point this week. fundamentally, frankly i was lying when i said that and now i'm telling the truth -- >> stephanie: i love watching his face when people talk about one thing after another that he said about romney and he is just like grinning like a chess shire cat, i know -- he says something like he doesn't hate him when you know he does. >> oh, bless his fat little heart. >> stephanie: bless his doughy load. 45 minutes after the hour. right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> sweet lady gaga. that is good. >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ nah, he's probably got... [ dennis' voice ] allstate. they can bundle all your policies together. lot of paperwork. actually... [ dennis' voice ] an allstate agent can help do the switching and paperwork for you. well, it probably costs a lot. [ dennis' voice ] allstate can save you up to 30% more when you bundle. well, his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest

he fought barry goldwater at the 1964 republican convention, and mitt had a very strong relationshipan almost any of his other siblings, it is really interesting to imagine what mitt romney must think about now and we talked to ann in our film, and we talked to many of the people around him, and they all said mitt, as a mormon, would believe he'll see his father on the other side of what they call the veil, and that he knows the father will look at him and say, you know, mitt, you did a good job. >> wow. so this is part of what he believes, again, speaking about his mormonism. here is a little more from your documentary. >> mitt romney has been accused of flip-flopping. but on mormonism he will never flip-flop. >> and yet in politics, he has often tried to keep that part of him behind the curtain. >> the backlash -- >> we know romney spent two years in france. somebody wrote it up the sissyfian task of not drinking, in all places of bordeaux. very close brush with death as well. how did those years, how did that really shape him into who he is today? >> i think he was not a serious p

. >> first of all i remember your dad and barry goldwater and i have a few comments, i am nervous because stephanie: oh, don't be. >> thank got for current tv. you used to be on here in boston send rate kated but they replaced you with rush limbaugh. >> stephanie: i know, there is not enough right wing radio in the country. >> i wanted to say two things, first of all being from boston, mass, and i live right around the corner from the state house i just think that mitt romney himself personally, he turned around and he cut the police jobs, he cut the firemen he cut people in the hospitals medicaid medicare, and mass health here in massachusetts we have. and i was ones rail wondering what your dad would think about him? donald trump oughta take that money of his and buy himself a new wig. thank you stephanie. >> stephanie: he did very well for his first time. >> oh, very good. >> you know, we are not saying donald trump zip a bigot. not that he hates all black people. he reinforces negative stereo types which makes him a racist. >> i am not a biggest i i am a huge --it. >> stephanie: eliza

i know barry goldwater, had he been there, i'm sure if he asked mr.flake about his vote for the patriot act, i will bet he will roll in his grave. the bush era tax cuts do not do enough. we need to abolish tax cuts -- taxes entirely. barack obama said he did not want to raise taxes on the middle class because the middle class buys cars. so did the rich. the rich spend money, too. the rich are part of the crowd that invest money to create jobs. that is what we need to be doing in america -- cutting everybody's taxes as far as possible. >> we got you. congressman, would you ok $3 in spending cuts for every $1 and revenue? >> you will never get that bargain. i believe there are some republicans who say you go -- if you lower the top tax rate, that you cannot produce any new revenue for government. i do not believe that. i say if we generate new revenue, then pay down the debt faster, by down the rate further. so i am not one who says he cannot generate any new revenue. there was a question a while ago about and ethanol subsidy that i have been trying to