ben carson denies that allegation about the sponge by the way. then there were shocking claims, pervy ted cruz caught with secret mistresses, after ted cruz pulled ahead of donald trump what was going on wasn't even subtle. trump was using the national enquirer to smear his opponents and undermine their candidacies, and inquirer was more than willing to oblige. in court today this is how mr. david describes the process. michael cohen would call me and say we would like to have you run an article for arguments sake on ted cruz. then he would send me information about ted cruz, ben carson, then we would embellish from there. prosecutor stein glass, you said michael cohen would call you periodically and say we would like you to run a negative story about this political opponent or that political opponent, is that correct? yes. michael cohen always told me he was out of the part of the campaign so i assume he was talking to mr. trump. when he said we i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. david and the national enquirer influencing the

stories like bungling surgeon ben carson left sponge in patient's brain. that came after a poll showing ben carson leading trump for the first time. and there was shocking claims, ted cruz caught cheating with five secret mistresses. that came out after polls showed ted cruz ahead of donald trump. what is going down here wasn't even subtle. trump was using the national enquirer to smear his opponents and undermine their candidacies and the enquirer was more than willing to oblige. in court, this is how mr. described that process. michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on ted cruz. he would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. that was the basis of our story and we would embellish it from there. steinglass said you would said we would like to you to run a story on the political opponent. who did you understand we to be referring to? michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign so i assumed he was talking to mr. trump. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself

ben carson left a sponge in a patient's brain. those stories their outrageous and in escaped precisely no one's notice that they were all coincidentally about trump's rawls the prosecution asking, why were you running in the story is about marco rubio and ted cruz? who's and ben carson while pecker's response, after the republican debates, and based on this of some of the other candidates i would receive a call from michael cohen and he would direct me and direct dylan howard. that was pecker's right-hand man. on which candidate and which direction we should go. that's how the problem sas happened. now, stuff like that is bound to grab your attention at the checkout land, the grocery store, let's not forget that prosecutors have got to grab the attention of the jury. they've got to try and prove that trump conspired to interfere the 2016 election and falsified business records to conceal all of it. so follow along with me here about the plan. here about a bad story about trump paid the person not to tell it to anyone. is doing bad

ben carson was doing surgery, leaving sponges in people's brains.at they were pushing while at the same time they were grabbing negative information about donald trump and buying it off the market. >> what was it like there in the courtroom? what was truck's reaction, demeanor? did you see what the jurors were doing or not doing? >> i'm in an overflow room. i can't see his reaction to the jurors. for the most part, he had a pretty good scowl on his face. that's how i would describe it. he's not happy being there, of course. so that -- we're looking at him, i got a view of the monitor, that's primarily what i saw. >> and so, coming up next, i know tomorrow the prosecution still has pecker on the stand. there is cross coming. >> right, we're going to see tomorrow karen mcdougal, another woman that had a relationship with donald trump, we're going to find out what the national enquirer's role was in that and stormy daniels. i want to talk about the cross for a minute. i think it could be -- david pecker has been an effective witness so far, very good s

entonces, como ben carson, marco rubio y ted cruz, y que aÚn en la campaÑa presidencial de 2012, dedicÓ ex editor de la publicaciÓn sensacionalista, se defendiÓ diciendo que era un argumento estÁndar. >> el argumento de la defensa serÁ " mi cliente es un lÍder de una empresa de millones de dÓlares, Él simplemente da las Órdenes y los administradores mueven el dinero como ellos mueven el dinero, Él no tenÍa nada que ver con eso". blanca: el Énfasis hoy estuvo en buscar contradicciones en la versiÓn de pecker y que sus verdaderos motivos para comprar las historias era para evitar que se publicaran en otros lugares antes de que en el national enquary. y que testificado en contra de su ex jefe, porque la organizaciÓn trump estÁ pagando sus gastos legales. al salir de la corte, trump dijo estar dispuesto a debatir con el presidente biden en cualquier momento. ilia: una encuesta revela que pocas personas en estados unidos creen que a donald trump lo estÉn tratando en las cortes, otros acusados. sÓlo 13% de los encuestados creen que estÁ recibiendo el mismo trato que otros enjuiciados. ademÁs,

ben carson has a new book coming out in may. it's titled the perilous fight overcoming our cultures war on the american family and retired supreme court justice stephen breyer has a new book out as well. justice breyer, who's written over ten books already titled his newest reading the constitution why i chose pragmatism, not textualism. and speaking of the supreme court college professor christine blasey ford recalls her decision to testify before congress during the 2018 nomination hearings for justice brett kavanaugh. her new book is called one way back, a memoir. and also just out harvard professor henry louis gates latest book is about the effort by african-american writers from frederick douglass to james baldwin to write and define the black experience. its titled the black box writing the race. and one more new book that's out, we want to tell you about, lawyer and retired harvard law professor alan dershowitz. his latest is called war on woke. why the new mccarthyism is more dangerous than the old. and this is about boo

packer testifies, quote michael cohen would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson and marco rubio. that was the basis of our story. and then we would embellish it from there. and then just so everyone understands what that meant, the ted cruz sex scandal, five secret mistresses, bungling surgeon ben carson left sponge and patients brain. i remember that who doesn't remember that? right? there was maybe there was even some fake picture i right. >> with the sponge. okay. donald trump, healthiest visual ever elected what is the prosecution showing? jurors here okay. >> this is very strategic on the part of the prosecution and david pecker, who is just a background witness in this case actually, delta very devastating blow to the trunk defense because especially the part you're mentioning where there was an arrangement that michael cohen would, according to david pecker, would call him up after one of the republican debates. and whoever was doing the best and the debate, he would direct him my david pecker to run a devastating story about that person. and what's that? setting up

ben carson, correct? >> yes. marco rubio, right? >> right. and ted cruz correct? >> yes. >> and you were shown some exhibits by the government that related to stories the national enquirer ran about those three men, correct? that's correct. >> there wasn't much new content in those stories, was there? i would have to reread the stories to answer that question. >> emil bove then continues down this line of questioning, asking david pecker, the witness. it was standard operating procedure for the national enquirer or two sort of recycled content from other publications and frame it's slightly differently correct? correct. that's cost-effective. correct. >> information from the public domain goes into the national enquirer. it's quick and easy, correct? yes. good for business? yes. >> beauvais then asks, there was already negative information in the public domain about ben carson. and so you ran it in the national enquirer, right? yes. and because that was quick and efficient and cost-effective, you would have done that whether or not you had discussed it with presid

if he has marco rubio or byron donalds, ben carson, tim scott on the ticket, that would obviously help what is already happening, which is a migration away from the democratic party by some of its core constituents over to president trump in some of the major polls. there are other people i mentioned like mike pompeo, tom cotton, people i think would be seen as -- category. i think there is no went to the choices that donald trump has, but i will say i think my argument in 2016 for mike pence was that he had evangelical christians and other churchgoers, folks who didn't really know a lot about his politics, maybe concerned about how he would be with the federal courts, concerning how he may be on abortion and life, and als it was really about geography. it is not about biology or anything. chemistry is about math and science. you need more electoral votes than the other person. maybe rick snyder at the time, all republican governors of the states of which i speak, -- blue wall is real. i think it is more about who will be with donald trump on the ticket, who will help him win, who will

ben carson has a new book coming out in may. it's titled the perilous fight overcoming our cultures war on the american family and retired supreme court justice stephen breyer has a new book out as well. justice breyer, who's written over ten books already titled his newest reading the constitution why i chose pragmatism, not textualism. and speaking of the supreme court college professor christine blasey ford recalls her decision to testify before congress during the 2018 nomination hearings for justice brett kavanaugh. her new book is called one way back, a memoir. and also just out harvard professor henry louis gates latest book is about the effort by african-american writers from frederick douglass to james baldwin to write and define the black experience. its titled the black box writing the race. and one more new book that's out, we want to tell you about, lawyer and retired harvard law professor alan dershowitz. his latest is called war on woke. why the new mccarthyism is more dangerous than the old. and this is about boo

400 donors are expected in palm beach, some of the 16 special guests, tim scott, elyse stefanik, ben carson lot of votes. excuses reporting trump's sons are vetting their debt's transition team and potential cabinet looking for loyalty and a shared vision. they don't want what happened in 2016 when chris christie was in charge of it, he wants to get the right people in with the get go. david: chris christie was in charge of the transition team. president biden said he but that trump tax cuts expire if reelected but that would break his 2020 campaign promise not to raise taxes. grady trouble has that. anti-israel protests continue, students at the university of maryland staged a sit in for gaza. peter morici joins us next. ♪ like sushi classy- clem's not a morning person. i'm tasting it- or a night person. or a... people person. but he is an “i can solve this in 4 different ways” person. and that person... is impossible to replace. you need clem. clem needs benefits. work with principal so we can help you help clem with a retirement and benefits plan that's right for him. i'm short but i'm..

younger black leadership summit and my goal for going there was to have a conversation with doctor ben carson in chicago and that turned into an invitation to the white house and the president of the united states brought the message back to my people and my city. stuart: how to your family and friends feel about this? not many black folks are gung ho trump supporters? >> now they are. when i started doing this in 2019 they were not happy at all. people were abuing began throwing tomatoes and throwing their backs on me, we were doing black chicago for trump during the 2,020 campaign, slapping black for trump bumper stickers on biden signs around the city but now that people can see how our relationship with jim crow joe has settled they are starting to say you were trying to save us, we are sorry, we should've listened to you, we are ready to go as well because i affectionately call donald trump my donnie. we want him to be our donnie too and it's more than enough to share. stuart: in 2020 trump got 8% of the black vote. what do you think he will get this year? >> 60, 65, 70. we are done with

ben carson before he bent the knee. ungling surge ben left sponge in patient's brain." [ laughter ] this one about ted cruz. "ted cruz shamed by porn star." [ laughter ] "hillary framed trump family." [ laughter ] you understand donald trump calls "the new york times" fake news, was admittedly generating fake news with his friend, david pecker. everything he accuses anyone else of, is something he actually did. and yet these bootlickers on fox news, they cannot believe the injustice. >> i consider myself a proud person. after sitting in that dirty, disgusting, criminal courtroom today watching the former president of the united states being persecuted like a criminal, i don't know if i'm so proud to be an american anymore. >> the judge is ridiculous, the conflict of interest is ridiculous this whole case is ridiculous. >> these are the types of election year shenanigans that happen in other countries. in third world autocracies. >> trump's not even allowed to complain about the thermostat. it's a meat locker in there. he

ted cruz, ben carson as well as a slew of negative stories about hillary clinton.when you touch on it a little bit, the entire media organization was set up to protect a single candidate. >> i mean, i come from tabloids in the uk and i am used to it tabloid journalism. this wasn't that. it did not -- it merges self into basically a propaganda where we want from reporting on celebrities or mass shootings, true kind which is the bread and butter as a celebrity divorces. suddenly we are running stories . hillary has three months to live. >> i remember that one. >> and analyzing pictures of her looking frail and our art department is ginning out these images to make her look in poor health. it was week after week after week. one of trump's rivals was up in the polls, whether it was ted cruz or someone else, we would be running a negative story and say what you will about the inquirer, but the reach of this publication, it is on supermarket shelves every walmart and in every airport and that real estate was being weaponizing by ami to help get trump elected. that is wha

press but then other stories where michael cohen would come up with that idea about a rival like ben carson or ted cruz and send the nugget over and the national enquirer would, according to david pecker, quote unquote, embellish it and ride a negative story about it. it was story after story about like headlight after headline came up and i have to say, david pecker , justin delivery was incredible. unlike michael cohen he was calm and cool and a colleague of mine wrote in the times in a post that he was almost he was giving a deli order. mustard and all types of relish. i will have turkey. his delivery was so smooth and calm. it was very powerful and ironically for someone who makes up stories partly for a living and if for years. he was, like, very credible. >> one of the things, the family versus campaign concerns, and it came up in court and the prosecution asked, did he and and that he is trump, are they asking david pecker did he ever say anything that made you think his concern about the stories getting out was for his family rather than his campaign? and he said, i thought it was m

places like the guardian about ben carson. they were just simply regurgitating it, that it wasn't necessarily this plot that's what they're trying to doubt. >> there's another one here. beauvais notes, pecker testified he wanted to keep the trump tower meeting discussions highly highly confidential, but says it became public before the election. pecker agrees nothing to see here. defense, right. and that's to your point, though, i think having all of this trotted out into the public domain again and having people be reminded of just how crazy the 2016 campaign was and learning details that we didn't even know about how this stretched into the white house and taxpayer funded officials were involved. that's something that it's not clear the impact it will have, but, but the idea that we know for sure that it will have zero impact on this. i don't think is a given and i don't think the trump campaign is believing it's a given. >> yeah. chris, i mean, these these revelations, so-called revelations in the wire, we're just oh, just

just a bare naked ladies on, but when it came to donald trump on the primary trail, going after ben carsongoing after marco rubio, there were articles that did appear in the "national enquirer," the end of the those articles appeared in the public record way before them in both the guardian and politico. they are not on trial for campaign violations and so why is trump embroiled in this way he reportedly worked with ami on some of these stories? that is the key take away and the focus of today, curious as what to redirect will lead to but my guess is that redirect me today and by next week we are onto a whole new witness back over to you. >> emily: , thank you so much. we are questioning why trump is involved in all of this. let's bring in andrew sierawski, so, here's my question to you it was developed this morning that kim also had a interests in the story being squashed. so the question is can you separate motive? doesn't matter if two parties have two different reasons for squishing a story, and if so how do we parse out that intent? >> the take away from david pecker's testimony is th

trump but negative ones about his republican primary opponents like ted cruz, marco rubio, and ben carson. slamming them with negative headlines and articles. he said the so-called "catch and kill" plan paying for negative information about trump and never publishing it was highly confidential and it came up during an august 2015 meeting at trump tower with trump, trump's lawyer michael cohen, and himself. that's when they made the agreement he said and the arrangement to kill negative stories about trump when he was a candidate for president. prosecutors say that payments were eventually made to stormy daniels. those part of the plan that led to him falsely putting payments as legal payments when it was actually for stormy daniels to keep quiet about her alleged affair with trump under wraps. as for the gag order and finding in contempt of court, judge juan mershon reserved on that moments after the hearing ended the former president posted this on true social saying "highly conflicted to put it mildly judge juan mershon has taken away my constitutional right to free speech. everyone is

but he's had covers about ben carson has been brought up, about the fact he was -- >> ted cruz. >> yeah. ted cruz. we'll probably hear details about potentially about how much the issues sold but how much money went into getting those covers together. >> in terms of laying out the onus of a crime. what does the prosecution want from david pecker? >> the prosecution wants him to establish the conspiracy. the unholy trinity of trump, michael cohen and david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that? okay. we're, we went back and we found, it actually circulated on social media. tom winter is a pro's pro and probably the kind of reporter that lives in b

ben carson. hillary clinton. i don't quite know where that list ends. a lot more about that relationship. these guys have known each other for years. they have large estates in palm beach and go back a long time in terms of trading information that went right into the national inquirer. they had a very mutually beneficial relationship for years and i think the jury will hear a lot about that. >> why is that not a story of biased press? and it is instead a story that prosecutors said was effectively an illegal conspiracy? a criminal conspiracy to influence the election? how does money make it a different thing? >> you hear a lot about the national inquirer storying. david has paid a fine already to the federal election commission because he paid them money to karen mcduogal. it was a violation of laws about corporations interfering in this case. josh steinglass said today and i quote here. there was a deal struck between ama and the defendant to put their thumbs on the scale to reach the flow of information. to really set the table for exactly what donal

, he would phone over to the "national enquirer" and say do a story on this on ben carson and then they would embellish details in her own words. >> in their own words. >> and then em billish and a story would appear or ted cruz. they would see somebody maybe ted cruz was gaining traction and michael cohen would phone over to david pecker and say, order up a story on his affairs, that he's not having. and they would embellish a story and it was striking to see at one point, it went on the projector and i was sitting in the overflow room and it was headline after headline. >> here they are on the screen. >> it was headline on one person, and like five or six on ted cruz. i'm a journalist and i was just shocked and i thought back to yesterday when you were talking to locklan cartwright and he said nobody believed me. and it was just so -- it was wild to hear this story and then to hear that checkbook journalism that was going on and the coordination and the key thing is that i think that i'm guessing that the defense is going to come in and saying this was michael cohen on his own and he'

would publish negative stories about trump's opponents which they did repeatedly, particularly when ben carson, ted cruz, and marco rubio started rising in the polls in the spring of 2016. at the same time, running positive stories featuring donald trump as the ideal next president of the united states, which they also did throughout that year. pecker was personally invited by cohen to trump's presidential announcement in trump tower. and he hoped to financially benefit from how many magazines the pro-trump and anti-trump competitor issues would sell. a total win-win. he also testified that once trump announced his presidential bid, that he was in constant communication with michael cohen, as pecker and a small group of ami editors kept their eyes and ears pealed for stories that could be damaging to trump so they could catch them and kill them before they were published anywhere else. at least before the election. and one by one, the prosecutor walked david pecker through the deals that they cut with dino sajudin, the doorman who claimed to have information about a trump love child with his h

stories about a number of people who are donald trump's rivals, stories of his 2016 rivals, ted cruz, ben carsons, many of us do. talk about how basically, you've touched on it a little bit, this entire organization was set up to protect a single candidate. >> i have come from tabloids in the uk, i worked for the murdoch family for many years, i am used to tabloid journalism and this was not that. it emerged into basically, where we went from reporting on celebrities or mass shootings, true crime, the bread and butter, as our celebrity divorces, and suddenly we are running stories that hillary clinton has three months to live. >> member that. >> we line up pseudo-experts to analyze pictures of her looking frail and the art department is making images to make her look in poor health, and it was every week, as one of donald trump's rivals was up in the polls, whether it was ted cruz or someone else, we would be running a negative story. say what you will about the national enquirer, the reach of this publication? it's on supermarket shelves in every walmart in every airport, and that was being wea

he would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio and that was the basis of our story. we would embellish it from there. michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that

ben carson left a sponge in someone's brain is what "the enquirer" put out there, and we all laughedw it out there at the rally and the audience would say, yeah, i did hear that. the biden campaign is hoping that people will be reminded of how exhausting and full of lies the trump years and the campaign and presidency were. >> i am surprised anybody would slander "the national enquirer." >> it's all i heard yesterday, like woody woodpecker, what is going on. pecker, pecker. i thought it was funny. >> it is funny. back on script, to willie's point. the meta story is you have biden on the trail and he's talking about abortion and campaigning and doing the nuts and pwoelgts of politics and very conventional, and then you have donald trump in a courtroom, and he's distracted and can't do the things he needs to do on the campaign, and he's embroiled in literal tabloid controversial, and that's something the biden campaign welcomes. we were talking about the defense here, and i would ask this of barbara, too, and i think the defense is fairly easy here, right? which is this man, david peck

stories that included the false claims that senator marco rubio had a love child and used cocaine, ben carsonnt's brain, a doctored photo suggesting senator ted cruz's father was involved in the kennedy assassination, all of those people who were targeted and ended up going with trump ultimately. but, still, 2016, it takes you back to a different place in time and what kind of impact could that have on the voter? >> that's why i said, you know, susan is right, you don't want to be talking about the day to day. joe biden shouldn't do that. but it should -- there should be a larger conversation about values and where we are in this country, that we did go through a period in 2016 when we had all these conspiracy theories and they did impact people physically. we had january 6th. we're also at a time where donald trump took credit for ending roe v. wade, but we see what is happening when the courts now push to this to the states. this larger arc, this larger narrative, who we are as a country and values which is something that republicans have always campaigned on, democrats can take back a litt

lot about, but also that he was somehow involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ted cruz, ben carsondon't know quite where that list ends, but i think we are going to hear a lot more about that relationship with these guys have known each other for years. they both have very large estates done in palm beach, and seemed to go back a long time, in terms of trading information that went right into the national enquirer, donald trump helping out on stories, you know, they had a very mutually beneficial relationship for years, and i think that the jury is going to hear a lot about that. >> why is that not a story of biased press, and instead is a story that prosecutors say was effectively an illegal conspiracy, criminal conspiracy to influence the election? how does money make it a different thing than just a story about a weird tabloid? >> right. you hear a lot about the national enquirer buying stories. we have sort of known that they do that, maybe not in so much detail but david has paid a fine already to the federal election commission, because he paid the money to karen at google, w

planted, michael cohen would call david pecker and he would have the germ of a story, say it's on ben carson, then it would be handed off to david pecker who would massage it and get it into the paper. but at one point, david pecker was asked did donald trump know about this. he obviously was at that crucial meeting in august 2015, but did he know about the ongoing relationship. and david pecker said he just didn't remember if he was told by michael cohen if he knew. but it ties michaels cohen, saying the boss is going to love this, that communicated there was an awareness but donald trump. but it's really crucial they connect donald trump to this. >> were you able to see donald trump and his reaction to any of this? >> i was. i was in the overflow room so i had a good view of him. a lot of the morning, he looked very frustrated. sort of a grimace and scowl on his face. he did not look happy but a lot of it, not a lot of facial expressions at times. very steady, but not happy. >> always so interesting to talk to you. thank you so much. coming up, david pecker on the stand. more about him sha

back to the republican primary when particularly donald trump was running against the likes of ben carson, but notably, ted cruz, and there's a series of "national enquirer" pieces that were salacious and frankly unfounded in hurtful ones toward the likes of ted cruz. i was covering cruz's campaign there at the time, and there was one particular piece that is currently being discussed in which they alleged that there were multiple women ted cruz had had affairs with. this was a startling allegation at a time that essentially was a one-on-one race between donald trump and ted cruz, and currently, daefd picker who was at the time the publisher of the "national enquirer" is answering district attorney alvin bragg's office's questions about how these headlines came to be. and he articulates that he would receive a phone call from michael cohen, who was working as his personal lawyer, fixer at the time. cohen would then articulate to him that, hey, we want a story done on a certain candidate, for example, ted cruz. then at that point, the "national enquirer" in the words of david pecker would,

michael cohen then would send information about ted cruz or ben carson and marco rubio and that was the basis for our story. and then we would embellish from their last point, that is, you have the positive stories as it relates to trump, right? trump taking charge there. you have the negative story. ted cruz, father link to jfk assassination, and that's the basins, the essence of it. and that's testimony that we heard today interesting, ari joey jackson, thanks very much. >> let's break all of this down with our legal and political experts and katelyn polantz, you've been doing excellent reporting on all of this explain why prosecutors spend so much time establishing how catch and kill that theory of catch and kill worked in coordination with michael cohen, the former president's fixer and lawyer. >> will this charts the ark of what leads to trump allegedly falsifying these? dozens of business records. who checks to michael cohen and what david pecker is doing on the stand yesterday and today is he's laying out the scheme, the catch and kill scheme. he's also establishing the network a

2015 meeting, specifically as it pertained to stories about the clintons, but also the likes of ben carson, marco rubio and ted cruz, those negative stories that were intended to hurt their campaigns, and the defense team asked david pecker whether they would have run those stories regardless of the relationship that they had struck with donald trump, and pecker, according to our team, lisa rubin inside, said pecker was hesitant in responding, but said yes. this was a long-standing relationship dating back to the '90s that donald trump and david pecker had, and that this was also just par for the course for the way that american media and the "national enquirer" operated, that they would obviously run negative stories about other republican candidates and the clintons, because, frankly, it was good for their business and it turned cover stories that allowed them to sell papers. >> vaughn, thank you for the update. john, how do you see the defense strategy working here? what are they trying to do? >> i think they're trying to have it both ways. i think they're trying to make nice with david

of things that they showed that the guardian had already published a lot of these stories about ben carson and the national enquirer was just reading recycling and that it was coinciding with poll results. and they also establish that the national enquirer had already done a bunch of negative stories on bill and hillary clinton that predated this meeting. so it wasn't something that was necessarily hatched then saying there was already a pattern here. so trying to really emphasizing that this is what the national enquirer does and then prosecutors trying to say, but everything was different in 2015 because they did some of these things like bearing the karen mcdougal story that didn't benefit them much more to talk about, including more from the trial transcripts up next to a point that our lewis brought up earlier, the moment on the stand when david pecker admitted there were conditions under which he would publish a story damaging to the former president will it's mango hint what it tastes, just like mango. >> how can water tastes just like fruit for a limited time, you, customers get ov

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senator ted cruz stories and where there were stories out, marco rubio and ben carson. but the ted cruz ones were especially agree, just tore he felt the need to come out respond to them. trump was commenting publicly about it and foxx interviews, i think we have this moment where ted cruz had to come out on the campaign trail and say that this is story that was published in the national enquirer, wasn't true. and he got closer than a new and did until the wall street journal every started reporting on this that it was david pecker and donald trump coordinating we don't have the moment, but he came out and he said i know is i was wondering tomorrow but again, i think i think that there's a distinction between coordinating with david pecker over positive or negative stories and the decision to pay to take stories out of the marketplace. >> i think that it is the payment here that is the most important part of the decision to immunized david pecker is gonna be a difficult one for the reasons that arthur pointed out because that was a decision decision made by the fed's, b

marco rubio and ben carson. but the ted cruz ones were especially agree just where he felt the need to come out and respond to them. trump was commenting publicly about it, and foxx interviews, i think we have this moment where ted cruz had to come out on the campaign trail and say that this is story that was published in the national enquirer, wasn't true. and he got close so that a new and did until the wall street journal ever started reporting on this, that it is david pecker and donald trump coordinating we don't have the moment, but he came out. he said, i know is tomorrow over positive or negative stories and the decision to pay to take stories out of the marketplace. >> i think it is the payment here that is the most important part of the decision to immunize. david pecker is going to be a difficult one for the reasons that arthur pointed out, because that was a decision decision made by the heads by the southern district of new york a few years ago when you're making that decision, you have to do a calc

they worked together to lie about ben carson, to lie about hillary clinton. fake news all around.you're okay. but also we want everybody watching to know that that person screaming "fake news" is obviously talking about all of the lies donald trump told about hillary clinton in 2016. >> reporter: in terms of where the supreme court could come out on this, few legal experts believe they are going to adopt donald trump's argument that the president has absolute immunity. there are some decisions presidents make, for example in the national security realm, that perhaps shouldn't be subject to the scrutiny of a prosecutor. they may ask the judge which of these acts would constitute official acts? almost none of them would because we're talking about trump's effort to over turn a presidential election as a candidate, not as a president. asking the judge to do that could significantly delay this case and mean it may not get to trial before the november election. >> let's stay with the immunity case before the supreme court. we were talking to neal katyal at the top of the hour. he said

the c part of this, the non published stories you just showed the headlines about ted cruz and ben carson and marco rubio& hillary clinton, the ones that were published we're on the headlines. these are the ones that never made it out. >> there has been reports about the vaults that they had at the national enquirer offices. >> you heard david talking about how he didn't want this agreement and word of this agreement that he had with michael cohen, which he says inspired him to buy the doorman's story, to get out to even, even other people his staff at the national enquirer, to the point you're making the fact that they had a relationship that had gone decades as they recounted earlier today. and the testimony on it the first time he kinda moved forward on a catch-and-kill process with the former president was during the campaign in this period of time, after they've sat down in august of 25th teen saying, i'll be your eyes and ears a flag give anything. it's in the market. i'll make sure that your people are aware and i'll make sure i do my best to write good stories about you. write bad

having affairs and there was five secret mistresses on the cover and stories about markka rubio and ben carson, stories about pretty much everybody. hillary clinton. and so that relationship at large, not just what ami's involvement is with stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and george stein, one of the attorneys for the manhattan d.a. yesterday in court when he was talking about it, he said that there was evidence that there was a deal struck between ami and the defendant to put their thumb on the scale to control the flow of information that would reach the electorate. that, of course, including stormy daniels and what at the heart of this and a much larger arrangement, which i think will help set the table for that for the jury. >> you know, jeremy peters, my question for you, hope hicks ended up on the witness list, we don't know who will le called. be her presence in the room all of the time in 2015 and 2016 is a well established fact and donald trump's penchant for dialing and doing all of this business on the phones so there is to paper trail is a well established fact. what will be admitt

prosecution wanted to present tied to negative stories about donald trump's primary rivals, including ben carsonalacious headlines about alleged infidelity of ted cruz that the "national enquirer" published. inside that courtroom, they showed -- with no jurors or potential jurors, they showed some of the headlines and some of this evidence that they would like to bring forward to establish the case that donald trump had ill intent that led to him writing those reimbursement checks to michael cohen knowing what he was agreeing to. judge merchan, despite the dispute of todd blanche, donald trump's attorney, said he will allow that evidence directly tied to pecker's meeting at the meeting in 2015 and brought before the jury. some of these pretrial conversations are happening in realtime before the jury selection begins inside. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. >>> next, cameras, protests, police. new york city bracing for what could be the trial of a lifetime. >> we'll get insight from former nypd commissioner bill bratton on the intense security after a short break. stay right there. ort br

for the nomination, we saw, we saw negative stories the national inquiry about ted cruz, about ben carson. >> ted cruz had to come out and publicly address it because it's the allegations were so ugly and obviously, a lot of negative stories about hillary clinton during the course of the campaign. the reason they're bringing him, and he is expected to be the first witness will see if you actually gets sworn in today. is because of the meetings though that he had with donald trump about suppressing negative stories. a lot of the names that we're hearing today, karen mcdougal stormy daniels, been dormant and which was an unfounded accusation, was because david found out about it first and told michael cohen and donald trump, i wouldn't bring in former trump adviser david urban davidai. understand you saw melania trump this weekend. she made her first solo appearance in a very long time at a it was a log cabin republican savannah mar-a-lago. how did she see anderson? >> she was completely upbeat very professional, unfazed you know. >> nothing else was going on in the world other than that ev

ben carson. reason is just two months ago one sentence out of the poll says the democratic party is wide leads over republicans and black americans has shown by nearly 20% over the past three years during the biden administration. instead of talking about grievances why don't you talk about despite your father's difficulties you are successful and you are standing up in front of us but telling other people it is not going to happen. stop with the victim stuff and start with the perseverance stuff. guest: it is kind of hard having conversations with people who do not want to hear truth. so i'm not playing victim. i'm just talking about giving a sobering reality of where we are. when i talk about growing up in a food desert there is not democratically run about south carolina. one talking points these big blue cities with the poverty and one thing we see and even dr. william barber talks about this that is not accurate. the pofrplt we are talking about where you have lack of access it care and hops