with us tonight, the very reporter, ben collins himself. e covers this information and extremism on the internet. ben, tell us more about this false idea, because it's not just being pushed in the united states, it's around the world. >> yeah, in fact, the specific person, this person who tried to emulate, this weekend, the logic behind the christchurch attack. the shooter from new zealand shooting that killed 51 people a couple of years ago, it's basically, basically a copy and paste job of that manifesto. these people are clearly anti immigrant, and this guy was very mixed up. he was anti-immigrant, targeting black people, because he believed they were part of the invasion of this country. there's an antisemitic conspiracy theory, above all, in part because he believes, you know, jews are trying to bring in people to change the electorate in the united states. and that's what this is about to him. largely, what we have noticed over the past couple of days here, i've been combing through his discord, which he posted shortly before the shoot

they have figured out exactly the format for white nationalist terror manifestos. >> ben collins covers disinformation, extremism and the internet for nbc news and it is a difficult beat, difficult for the toll on the people who cover it. and ben, thanks for joining us tonight. >> thanks for the time, rachel. >>> we have much more ahead tonight. we will be speaking among other folks with the state representative who is the majority leader in the new york state legislature, who represents the district where these killings happened. we have a lot ahead for us tonight. stay with us. it's time for our memorial day sale on the sleep number 360 smart bed. why choose proven quality sleep from sleep number? because every green thumb, 5k, and all-day dance party starts the night before. the 360 smart bed senses your movement and automatically adjusts to help keep you both comfortable all night. and can help you get almost 30 minutes more restful sleep per night. sleep number takes care of the science. all you have to do is sleep. don't miss our weekend special. save $1,000 on the sleep number 36

ben collins joins us now.timeline on social media feeds and see firsthand reports of killings, rapes, and other war crimes in ukraine, i don't think you are thinking in the moment that i should've favorite this or save it for a possible war crimes tribunal in the future. lay this out for us. we'll kind of post on social media could be used as evidence? why is it so important for social media companies to archive these images? >> it is not only us, you and i, who are going to the photos and videos. it is also facebook's moderation machine. it is the automated machines that go through this and try to flag violent content and take it down before most people see them. they are doing that. they are taking down these videos of atrocities. this is what they are meant to do. things like mass shootings, these come down quicker because the system works. in terms of war crimes trials, you need things to exist. independent researchers flagged them, grab them, and show them at trials in the future. that is what we have lea

joining me now is msnbc anchor yasmin vossoughian from buffalo and digital senior reporter ben collins. yasmin, it is an awful, awful day. i've been listening to the conversations you've been having with folks down there. they're so difficult to hear. what makes matters worse is tops is the only supermarket in town and now it's closed and now people don't even have access to fresh groceries easily anymore in that area. >> reporter: it's a reflection, katy, of a larger problem in this community. i talked a lot about this over my coverage in the last two days, which is this -- the shooting that happened on saturday was awful and this community is rocked forever because of it, right? you see the front page. this is what they woke up to in "the buffalo news" this morning. but it's a reflection of what has happened in this country, the systemic racism that exists in this country that needs to be spoken about. it a reflection of what happens on a smaller scale this this community. this community feels as if they don't matter, that they've been forgotten. there is unity in this community. sin

joining us now is ben collins. he's an nbc news reporters who covers disinformation, extremism on the internet. and really glad you are here tonight. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> so you covered this and extremism for a living. i just want to ask you, bluntly, and if it's okay if the answer here is no. is the tension that i'm feeling here, real and warranted, this tension between understanding the extremism that is at work here, while also deciding not to spread it, not to popularize it? >> it's a very real tension, and it's something that i loathed in doing this job. on saturday, i was thinking how do i make people understand what's in manifesto, and also understand mostly that this man is not alone in thinking this, that is part of a community of people who want to murder people, without trying to spread that message. and it's really difficult. for the last day or two, looking through the discord shots that he has posted to, you know, like a diary since december was. and it's incredibly and deeply chilling. th

joining me now is ben collins. can you talk a little bit more about what we were hearing from this manifesto? it seems to parallel so much that we learn from the el paso shooting and from other mass shootings that we have learned about that have been driven by hate crimes. >> this is effectively a copycat shooting up the new zealand shooting, in new zealand 2019, that killed 15 muslims and injured 41 others in a mosque. this shooter says pacific we in this manifesto that he was targeting black people. he went to the zip code nearby to him that had the most number of black people per capita. it isn't explicitly racist manifesto. in fact he says outlined in the manifesto that he is a racist. and that is when he went through with us. he talks at the top of his manifesto, specifically, about how at the start of the pandemic he was, in a fifth of extreme border. he went from the gun farm over on fortune over to the politics form. the politics form is effectively just a white nationalist hang out. and that is what you se

from on, this honoring an nbc news reporter ben collins with his exclusive reporting on this. also the, frank, lucy and almost nbc national security analyst. then, also with, you with this reporting that you on the reporting have been doing. you've been digging to the subjects alleged manifesto those posted online. walk us through what you have learned. >> yes, this manifestos posted on thursday as a google doc. and that metadata, you can see that it was posted for 5:00 on tuesday, i was not even the since then. the manifesto is bob standard white supremacist graver placement three stuff. is basically plagiarized from bryn terrence who shot and killed, and injured 41 others in new zealand. a few years ago. who was also obsessed with the great replacement theory. i don't even reading, it irregular anything new. it's filled with fortune memes, content. it is many pictures and memes, and that's what he admits in this manifesto. that he, at the start of the pandemic, govern much into fortune, very much into white supremacists, and great replacement theory means. he then finds hims

to talk about it, let's bring in nbc news reporter ben collins, who broke the story of the alleged manifesto written by the buffalo shooter. pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post," msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. host of msnbc's "politics nation" and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. and the host of "way too early" and white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. you know, rev, you look at all the instances where white replacement theory, which has been pushed by house republicans, pushed by a powerful news network, pushed by people on social media, and you do see that it's whites. a white killing blacks in a mass shooting in charleston. then in new zealand. and then killing hispanics in el paso. killing blacks again in buffalo. killing jews in pittsburgh in 2018 in a synagogue. it is sadly, tragically, a conspiracy theory that has deadly, deadly impact. >> it is definitely a conspiracy theory that has definite and clear impact. it continues to happen. we keep going to the scenes of these grotesque mu

follow-up story on nbc posted by ben collins saying the manifesto claiming to be written by that suspect in the event from les today -- yesterday cited the great replacement theory, trying to replace white americans with nonwhite people through immigration and violence. the manifesto claims to be written by the 18-year-old including the shared birthdate and data with the suspect in custody. the pdf was posted to google docs at 8:55 p.m. two days before the shooting. the suspect was arraigned saturday of one count and murder of the first degree. he is or arraigned without bail and the hearing is scheduled for thursday. the manifesto, which was not modified since thursday, includes elaborate details of the shooting. the suspect claims he chose buffalo because it had the highest number of black people in the vicinity. let's hear next from james, independent line, brooklyn, new york. caller: good morning. i feel this is just another fbi false flag event trying to separate us and cause more racial divide. you just push the agenda. host: what is the basis of your claim? caller: if you look at

follow-up story on nbc posted by ben collins saying the manifesto claiming to be written by that suspectn the event from les today -- yesterday cited the great replacement theory, trying to replace white americans with nonwhite people through immigration and violence. the manifesto claims to be written by the 18-year-old including the shared birthdate and data with the suspect in custody. the pdf was posted to google docs at 8:55 p.m. two days before the shooting. the suspect was arraigned saturday of one count and murder of the first degree. he is or arraigned without bail and the hearing is scheduled for thursday. the manifesto, which was not modified since thursday, includes elaborate details of the shooting. the suspect claims he chose buffalo because it had the highest number of black people in the vicinity. let's hear next from james, independent line, brooklyn, new york. caller: good morning. i feel this is just another fbi false flag event trying to separate us and cause more racial divide. you just push the agenda. host: what is the basis of your claim? caller: if you look at th

example, republican senator susan collins has said she felt betray by publicprivate assurances from kavanaugh and gore such, and so the media pounced on that. liz: well well, ben right on this. come on, are you kidding me? they will go in there and do just what poll itses do. [inaudible] they will come in and say, oh, to stare decisis, that means we're going to uphold the precedent of decisions or at least we will take very careful look at this and we will respect that. they use language that you could drive a truck through so that when it does come to their opportunity, they may make a different decision. but i will say, again, this is a three-month-old draft. it is not set in stone. we don't know what's going to happen. but, again, as i said, it may be the best evidence yet the that we are shocked, shocked that the supreme court has become politicized. howard: yeah. of let's not lose sight of the a fact that it's not final. everybody's ooh moving ahead to the next chapter in media and politics. ben, given the volume and the intensity of the media coverage, can it be argued if scotus does, indeed, strike down roe v. wade, that the culture wars will intensify