joining me now nbc news senior reporter, ben collins. yet on how threads will police misinformation and disinformation on the platform? you and i know that facebook have took its foot off that gas pedal when it came to moderating content and making sure that the truth got out to its users. >> yeah, you know things kind of reversed course after january 6th. they tried a little bit harder to pump the brakes on all the insane stuff that was on the platform. and they are going to moderate like it is instagram. so if you have an idea of what moderation is like an instagram, i think some people think it's a little bit too heavy-handed, maybe, but it is in fact a very moderated space. the guy who runs instagram, adam sorry said that he wants this to be an app that isn't focused that much on politics and news, would you can't really control if it's a text -based app, but that is what he said. whereas, twitter, by the way has gone in the opposite direction they've lifted all the guardrails they've gone in completely opposite direction one of the o

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joining me now is ben collins, my dooms scrolling reporting. i love seeing you, my friend.oing to give you myself as an example. i'm somebody who i stopped using twitter a long time ago. every so often i would check it to see if there's any news in there in between the nazi tweets. after that i stopped doing that. threads, since that has launched, to me there's no reason to check twitter. all the major blogs on there -- all the stuff i would normally read i can read on threads. twitter now is useless to me. if people like me are leaving, i don't know how twitter survives. >> it will survive in the sense that the nazis still really like it. >> they do. >> they really do. it shows off that the space has become an artificial hellscape. the structure on twitter wasn't the best content or the most interesting. now it's a guy paid eight bucks to someone who is loathed in part because they support the guy. the stuff that you see on twitter is inherently kind of nuts. it's kind of nuts. on threads it's not the case. it's people trying to see if they can plant their flag, trying to

nbc news senior reporter ben collins is here. then, my first question, are we now threatening? is that what it is now? >> i guess that's what it is. i wish i had a cooler night. but i guess they are going with threat for now. it's a big deal, 30 million downloads in a day. probably more than that at this point. a is more than new york's day. that's a big deal. and there is a reason twitter is freaked out. you can see here, people are just going over because they have this idea that it might be better. really right now, it is not a messy app. >> okay, so it's not. better tell me why. because there are people saying, many people were waiting for a better alternative. i became a threat or yesterday. but it's an, abdallah website. i think that is one of the biggest differences between twitter and this new platform. >> yes. there are a bunch of differences right now. like you said, you can't access it on desktop or browser. it's just not available yet. also it's not chronologically. so you get south from 15 minutes ago, half an hour ago. so if you're trying to figure out of an earth

ben ginsburg. katelyn, what did we learn about this meeting between trump's attorneys and jack smith? >> reporter: we're getting a little bit more detail about what happened in that meeting. according to kaitlan collins, the attorneys for donald trump, who went to that meet ing after receiving that warning from the justice department that donald trump was very likely to be indicted, they went in there not to argue with special counsel jack myth about the facts that he has gathered or to learn about the facts or to argue the case itself, but rather a broader idea of presenting an argument about indicting a f former president of the united states. someone that they believe, if he is facing an indictment now, could cause turmoil in the political environment across the country. and so that is one of the things that was coming out of this meeting. another thing coming out of this meeting is there wasn't a clear indication given to the trump defense lawyers about impactly what was going to happen next if there was going to be an indictment, what the potential timing of that would be. all of that is in flux. we are here at the federal courthouse because we are closely watching a grand jury that has worked f