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i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said, and what eric garner's son said as well. do you want to dignify the life of eric garner, you will do so through peaceful protest, you will work relentlessly with change. you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that does not bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that has worked is peaceful protest, non-violence, peaceful activism. that is the only thing that has ever worked. and the garner family has made that abundantly clear. michael brown's family has made that abundantly clear. people should listen to those we say we stand in solidarity with, fulfill their wishes, and work for change the right way. i'll just finish with a couple more points. then i want to say something in spanish before i depart. so many of us are steeped in the speeches of dr. king and many great leaders, but perhaps no one more definitional than dr. king. he said something so fundamental that it reminds us how to handle this moment. he said in justice everywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. this is a problem for al
i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said, and what eric garner's son said as well. do you want to dignify the life of eric garner, you will do so through peaceful protest, you will work relentlessly with change. you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that does not bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that has worked is peaceful protest, non-violence, peaceful activism. that is the only thing that has ever worked. and the garner family has made that...
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. >> ben garner had a message for the public. he told our joe johns he is disappointed by the grand jury decision, but people should keep their protests lawful and peaceful. >> i don't want anyone to go through what we are going through. >> have you talked to the lawyers about where this hands. >> the feds will take over. >> your hopeful? >> they will give us the right decision. >> the message struck a cord with the new york city mayor. bill deblasio telling reporters about the painful personal talk he had to have with his son dante who is black. the mayor of new york had to warn his son to be careful in any interactions he would have with police. >> couldn't help but immediately think what it means to me to lose dante. life could never been the same and i could feel how it will never been whole again. things will never been whole again for mr. garner. even in the midst of his pain, one of the things he stopped and said so squarely was there can't be violence. he said eric would not have wanted violence. >> following the grand ju
. >> ben garner had a message for the public. he told our joe johns he is disappointed by the grand jury decision, but people should keep their protests lawful and peaceful. >> i don't want anyone to go through what we are going through. >> have you talked to the lawyers about where this hands. >> the feds will take over. >> your hopeful? >> they will give us the right decision. >> the message struck a cord with the new york city mayor. bill deblasio...
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i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said and what his son said as well, if you want to dig f -- dig nnify the life o garner you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that has ever worked is peaceful protests, nonviolent social activism, it's the only thing that has ever worked and the garner and brown family has made that abundantly clear. people should listen to those we say we stand in solidarity with, fulfill their wishes and work for change the right now way. for change the right way. i want the to finish a couple more points and then i want to say something in spanish before i depart. we, so many of us, steeped in the teachings of dr. king, or of many great leaders, perhaps no one more definitional in the work of social change and justice than dr. king, he said something so fundamental to remind us how to handle this moment. he said injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. this is a problem for all new yorkers and all americans. it has to be treated as such. any one who says to y
i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said and what his son said as well, if you want to dig f -- dig nnify the life o garner you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that has ever worked is peaceful protests, nonviolent social activism, it's the only thing that has ever worked and the garner and brown family has made that abundantly clear. people should listen to those we say we stand in solidarity with,...
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ben garner had a message for the public telling joe johns that he is disappointed by the grand jury decisionle should keep protests peaceful and lawful. >> i don't want anybody to get locked up here and go through the same thing that we are going through. >> what do you think happens next? have you talked to the lawyers about where it hands. >> the feds will take over. i'm sure they will give us the right decision. >> his message of peace struck a message with bill deblasio. it reminded him of the conversation deblasio had with his son, who is black. he warned his son to be careful. he remarked how interesting it is as mayor, he has to talk to his son about interactions with police officers. >> i couldn't help what it would mean for me to lose dante. life could never been the same. i could feel how it will never been whole again. things will never been whole again for mr. garner. even in the midst of his pain, one of the things he stopped and said so squarely was there can't be violence. eric would not have wanted violence. violence won't get us anywhere. >> following the grand jury decision
ben garner had a message for the public telling joe johns that he is disappointed by the grand jury decisionle should keep protests peaceful and lawful. >> i don't want anybody to get locked up here and go through the same thing that we are going through. >> what do you think happens next? have you talked to the lawyers about where it hands. >> the feds will take over. i'm sure they will give us the right decision. >> his message of peace struck a message with bill...
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i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said and what eric garner's son said as well.really want to dignify the life of eric garner, you will do so through peaceful protests. you will work relentlessly for change. you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that's ever worked is peaceful protests, nonviolence social activism is the only thing that has ever worked. and the garner family has made that abundantly clear. michael brown's family made that abundantly clear. people should listen to those we say we stand in solidarity, fulfill their wishes, and work for change the right way. i'll just finish with a couple more points and i want to say something in spanish before i depart. we, so many of us, are steeped in the teachings of dr. king, and many great leaders, but perhaps no one more definitional than the work of social change and the work of justice in dr. king. and he said something so fundamental that should remind us how we need to handle this moment. he said, injustice anywhere is a
i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said and what eric garner's son said as well.really want to dignify the life of eric garner, you will do so through peaceful protests. you will work relentlessly for change. you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that's ever worked is peaceful protests, nonviolence social activism is the only thing that has ever worked. and the garner family has made that abundantly...
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i spoke with ben garner, eric garner's father, and he said he was just tired. and he wanted to keep pushing on not just today but tomorrow. he urged folks to be calm and peaceful, but to keep pushing. unlike those crowds we see throughout the city, it wasn't raucous here but that kind of exhalation that not just with eric garner but the mike brown situation and then in ohio. people are wondering when will justice arrive. the chants have risen from ferguson here, black lives matter, black lives matter. folks here say they're losing any sense that america as a society, as a culture believes that black lives in fact matter. >> trymaine lee in staten island, thank you very much. one of the most outspoken critics of stop and frisk, some of the policing tactics this city has used under mayor bloomberg, some of which have ended, some of which have changed, some of which have continued. your reaction to today's verdict? >> i've been vacillating between numbness and abject anger. it took me a while to make some statements because most of my statements would be toward so
i spoke with ben garner, eric garner's father, and he said he was just tired. and he wanted to keep pushing on not just today but tomorrow. he urged folks to be calm and peaceful, but to keep pushing. unlike those crowds we see throughout the city, it wasn't raucous here but that kind of exhalation that not just with eric garner but the mike brown situation and then in ohio. people are wondering when will justice arrive. the chants have risen from ferguson here, black lives matter, black lives...
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. >> i spent some time with ben garner, eric's father, who is in unspeakable pain. it's a very hard thing to spend time trying to comfort someone you know is beyond the reach of comfort because of what he's been through. i can only imagine. i couldn't help but immediately think what it would mean to me to lose dante. life could never be the same thereafter, and i could feel how it will never be whole again, things will never be whole again for mr. garner. >> i don't know if that made a difference. as jason carroll told us, the protests in new york were peaceful despite thousands and thousands of people taking to the street. brooklyn borough president and former nypd president eric adams is here, founder of yourblackworld.com boyce atkins and cnn legal analyst paul callan. eric, i'll start with you. was the difference between new york and ferguson the way public officials talked about the controversy? >> clearly. i think the mayor really understood, and what's unique here is when he looks over at his breakfast table. he sees a young man who has been impacted or could
. >> i spent some time with ben garner, eric's father, who is in unspeakable pain. it's a very hard thing to spend time trying to comfort someone you know is beyond the reach of comfort because of what he's been through. i can only imagine. i couldn't help but immediately think what it would mean to me to lose dante. life could never be the same thereafter, and i could feel how it will never be whole again, things will never be whole again for mr. garner. >> i don't know if that...
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. >> reporter: so just moments ago, i spoke with ben garner, eric garner's father. and i was the first to let him know that a decision had been made. some of the information contained in the grand jury will be released. i told them about the 50 witnesses, the 22 of whom were civilians, there were 60 exhibits. and he said, quite frankly, not one of them stepped up to save my son, so none of it matters. that was his feeling. i spoke with a friend of eric garner's about the grand jury proceedings and here's what he had to say. >> got 23 people who actually seen clippings of this guy getting murdered. then you see the cop say what he has to say. doesn't take away the fact that what happened, what happened. there was an action, and in that action, someone died. there has to be some type -- someone has to be accountable. >> reporter: and so there we have it. there's a little bit of information come out from the grand jury. no real revelations. and also, nothing to cool the feelings here on the ground where so many watched eric garner die. and countless others saw on video
. >> reporter: so just moments ago, i spoke with ben garner, eric garner's father. and i was the first to let him know that a decision had been made. some of the information contained in the grand jury will be released. i told them about the 50 witnesses, the 22 of whom were civilians, there were 60 exhibits. and he said, quite frankly, not one of them stepped up to save my son, so none of it matters. that was his feeling. i spoke with a friend of eric garner's about the grand jury...
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i want everybody to listen to what ben garner and what eric garner's son said well.f you want to dig any guy the life of eric garner you will do so through peaceful protest. you'll work relentlessly for change. you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that's ever worked is peaceful protest, nonviolent social activism is the only thing that's ever worked. >> good morning. it is thursday, december 4th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have the chairman of deutsche incorporated and the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton along with willie, joe and me on a really, really big morning. >> i got to start by showing the front of the "daily news." disturbing photo, and what protesters were peacefully chanting last night all across new york city. i'll put it up here. "we can't breathe," and mika, you know, last night all across the city, obviously, people responding peacefully to the tragedy that unfolded in staten island. >
i want everybody to listen to what ben garner and what eric garner's son said well.f you want to dig any guy the life of eric garner you will do so through peaceful protest. you'll work relentlessly for change. you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that's ever worked is peaceful protest, nonviolent social activism is the only thing that's ever worked. >> good morning. it is thursday, december 4th. welcome...
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brad pitt and angelina jolie, ben affleck and jennifer garner, and william h. macy and felicity huffman. from their example i have created: there are four laws, follow them and you will be a happy and successful husband and or wife. law number one. find someone whose name can be merged with yours to form a marketable nick name just like brangelina, bennifer ii or fellium h muffman. (laughter) the merged name -- the merged name symbolizes -- (laughter) >> stephen: got a little something in my eye there. the merged name symbolizes your unity and saves headline space so that the phrase" sex tape "can be printed below it. law number two, marry -- (laughter) >> stephen: mary someone in the exact same field as you if possible, someone you work with. after all it worked for mr. and mrs. smith, daredevil, and the splen difficult russ escapades of fellium h muffman. not enough people saw that one. law number three, build your relationship on a solid foundation of a horrible breakup. it worked with brad pitt left jennifer aniston, ben affleck split with jlow, and when wi
brad pitt and angelina jolie, ben affleck and jennifer garner, and william h. macy and felicity huffman. from their example i have created: there are four laws, follow them and you will be a happy and successful husband and or wife. law number one. find someone whose name can be merged with yours to form a marketable nick name just like brangelina, bennifer ii or fellium h muffman. (laughter) the merged name -- the merged name symbolizes -- (laughter) >> stephen: got a little something in...
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but very peaceful throughout the day and throughout the night thanks in large part to eric garner's stepfather, ben, who had been here throughout the day and remains here tonight. he has been very vocal with the community about demonstrating peacefully, about not causing trouble. he told me that he was shocked and disappointed by the grand jury's decision. that he believes charges should have been brought. that the officer daniel pantaleo should have been indicted and should have been criminally charged. he said he hopes that the federal case will in fact bring charges. and he also says he hasn't had a chance to speak with the d.a., daniel donovan, and that he heard the news about no indictment on the street. eric garner's mother and widow also appeared earlier at that news conference with al sharpton. and eric garner's widow says she does not accept the police officer's condolences. >> hell no. the time for remorse would have been when my husband was yelling to breathe. that would have been the time for him to show some type of remorse or some type of care for another human being's life. when he w
but very peaceful throughout the day and throughout the night thanks in large part to eric garner's stepfather, ben, who had been here throughout the day and remains here tonight. he has been very vocal with the community about demonstrating peacefully, about not causing trouble. he told me that he was shocked and disappointed by the grand jury's decision. that he believes charges should have been brought. that the officer daniel pantaleo should have been indicted and should have been...
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small crowd gathered, some had their hands up but there was no violence thanks in part to garner's stepfather benho asked the communities to stay calm and not cause trouble. though he told me he was shocked and disappointed with the grand jury's decision not to charge the officer. >> i don't know what video they were looking at. evidently it wasn't the same one the rest of the world was looking at. how could we put our trust in the justice system when they failed us like this? they not only failed me, they failed many of us. if we don't take care of this they may fail you in the future. >> reporter: the officer still faces an internal nypd investigation and the family says it plans to sue the city for $75 million. bill: rick leventhal, more with you throughout the day. >> reporter: let's get more on the grand jury decision. new york congressman peter king joining us now from ca from capl hill. you are getting lot of criticism congressman king because you say that you agree and you think they did their job, this grand jury and you agree with their findings, correct. >> that's absolutely correct. l
small crowd gathered, some had their hands up but there was no violence thanks in part to garner's stepfather benho asked the communities to stay calm and not cause trouble. though he told me he was shocked and disappointed with the grand jury's decision not to charge the officer. >> i don't know what video they were looking at. evidently it wasn't the same one the rest of the world was looking at. how could we put our trust in the justice system when they failed us like this? they not...
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anger over the lack of charges over the death of eric garner in new york city, protesters carried black caskets across the ben franklin bridge and shut down the landmark to traffic. protests turned violent at the staten island ferry terminal. they threw punches at police who took people away in handcuffs. >> i think it's great and i hope that does something for the community, like people wake up, you make noise people wake up. >> i appreciate it, it's not just black people out here, it's all people of all nationalities. >> the philadelphia federation of teachers is planning to address the recent impact the decision have had on city youth. >> new this morning, police are investigating a shooting outside of natalee's lounge, a 31-year-old man a bartender at the bar was shot in the thigh. he was outside on the sidewalk talking to a woman. the man was rushed to the hospital in stable condition. >> college student shane montgomery has been missing for a week. there's no leads in the case. now the reward is up to $40,000. david henry is live on main street in manayunk with the very latest for us. good morning, davi
anger over the lack of charges over the death of eric garner in new york city, protesters carried black caskets across the ben franklin bridge and shut down the landmark to traffic. protests turned violent at the staten island ferry terminal. they threw punches at police who took people away in handcuffs. >> i think it's great and i hope that does something for the community, like people wake up, you make noise people wake up. >> i appreciate it, it's not just black people out here,...
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it's already garnering box office buzz. its stars ben i don't know. >> that's a lot. come on. why do you think it has such appeal? >> it has a tone about it i think you can connect with the characters. it's funny. >> you and i both know there's something magical at the museum. sun goes down, everything starts to glow. >> it has a real story. i don't know. it seems something people can identify with. >> this one i did the computer thing, the lol. the first one i don't know if that texting was a big thing. >> do you know how in movies everybody is giggling. you get the person that laughs really loud? you got the most votes. were you giggling in between too? >> i sometimes get so into my character i never laugh. i never find anything funny. >> what was it like for you to step into this world as he mentioned? >> i was a huge fan of the movies anywhere. i was thrilled to step into the tin suit and get crazy with them. >> your eyes are fantastic. >> i'm going to have to ask about robin williams. the first scene when we saw him, it kind of took
it's already garnering box office buzz. its stars ben i don't know. >> that's a lot. come on. why do you think it has such appeal? >> it has a tone about it i think you can connect with the characters. it's funny. >> you and i both know there's something magical at the museum. sun goes down, everything starts to glow. >> it has a real story. i don't know. it seems something people can identify with. >> this one i did the computer thing, the lol. the first one i...
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ben bland has more. >> reporter: the video that sparked outrage over the death of eric garner in july, held in a head like bay white police officer for allegedly selling cigarettes illegally, the unarmed black man is later heard gasping for breath. the 43-year-old died in hospital, but a grand jury has now decided the police officer will not face criminal charges. >> how could we put our trust in the justice system when they fail us like this? he should be here celebrating christmas and thanksgiving and everything else with his children and his grandchildren. and he can't. why? because a cop did wrong. somebody that gets paid to do right did wrong and he's not held accountable for it. >> reporter: that feeling shared by hundreds who gathered to protest in times square in new york. the u.s. justice department has now launched a federal investigation into whether any civil rights were violated. all this comes just a week after riots broke out in ferguson, missouri. sparked there by a grand jury decision not to charge a white police officer who shot dead the unarmed black teenager michael brown. american pol
ben bland has more. >> reporter: the video that sparked outrage over the death of eric garner in july, held in a head like bay white police officer for allegedly selling cigarettes illegally, the unarmed black man is later heard gasping for breath. the 43-year-old died in hospital, but a grand jury has now decided the police officer will not face criminal charges. >> how could we put our trust in the justice system when they fail us like this? he should be here celebrating christmas...
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ben bland. >> reporter: this is the video that sparked outrage over the death of eric garner in july. it shows a white police officer holding the unarmed black man in a head lock, for allegedly selling cigarettes illegally. eric garner can be heard gasping "i can't breathe." >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> reporter: the 43-year-old later died in hospital. the new york city coroner ruled it was a homicide, but a grand jury has now decided the police officer will not face criminal charges. >> i don't know what video they were looking at. evidently, it wasn't the same one that the rest of the world was looking at. how could we put our trust in the justice system when they fail us like this? he should be here, celebrating christmas and thanksgiving and everything else with his children and his grandchildren. and he can't. why? because a cop did wrong. somebody that get paid to do right did wrong, and he's not held accountable for it. >> reporter: that feeling shared by hundreds who gth gathered to protest in times square in new york. the u.s. justice department has now launched a
ben bland. >> reporter: this is the video that sparked outrage over the death of eric garner in july. it shows a white police officer holding the unarmed black man in a head lock, for allegedly selling cigarettes illegally. eric garner can be heard gasping "i can't breathe." >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> reporter: the 43-year-old later died in hospital. the new york city coroner ruled it was a homicide, but a grand jury has now decided the police officer...
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garner was killed. no matter if you show them directly in front of them. >> sean and ben, thank you for sharing your story, we appreciate it. >>> the white house launched a new initiative to improve the lives of native americans. allen schauffler traveled to the renote makah nation on the washington coast. ♪ >> louie vitala's third graders sing the makah version of the 12 days of christmas. at the northwest tip of the continental u.s., the remote school is a source of pride. >> after i graduated i volunteered here and i read with older students who couldn't read and got pretty upset about it and decided i wanted to do something about it. >> she is an example of what makes this 95% native american schoolwork. a former student who cared enough to come back home and help. there are very few operational details and no new funding sources identified in the president's generation indigenous initiative. but it does stress the importance of including native culture in classes and putting more control over local schools in the hands of tribal leaders. >> telling someone to go outside is quaiik. >> studying the ori
garner was killed. no matter if you show them directly in front of them. >> sean and ben, thank you for sharing your story, we appreciate it. >>> the white house launched a new initiative to improve the lives of native americans. allen schauffler traveled to the renote makah nation on the washington coast. ♪ >> louie vitala's third graders sing the makah version of the 12 days of christmas. at the northwest tip of the continental u.s., the remote school is a source of...
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garner, or an ambitious national speech on race. >> the speech that needs to be had ultimately is the speech about citizenship and democracy. >> reporter: benealous led the n.a.a.c.p., from 2008 to 2013. >> this president's greatest power is to call citizens of this country into action to shape the future of their country. er should not give that up. >> reporter: top advisers bristle at accusation the president is awol. ceme describe an intense push for law enforcement reform built around the president's new task amrce due to report in early march. mr. obama spoke to its leader, philadelphia police chief charles ramsey, and new york police commissioner bill bratten, hours after the police murders. in addition, top white house adviser valerie jarret counseled new york mayor bill de blasio on ways to reduce tension. absent grand public gestures, ore president has tried to balance respect for law enforcement with calls for new methods and youthful activism, as he did on b.e.t.'s "106 and park." >> simply by virtue of color, esu've got less margin for error. and that's particularly true for black boys. we want them to be given the same benefit
garner, or an ambitious national speech on race. >> the speech that needs to be had ultimately is the speech about citizenship and democracy. >> reporter: benealous led the n.a.a.c.p., from 2008 to 2013. >> this president's greatest power is to call citizens of this country into action to shape the future of their country. er should not give that up. >> reporter: top advisers bristle at accusation the president is awol. ceme describe an intense push for law enforcement...
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ben arrests. we saw police placing people in plastic restraints. this is all dr. wecht, because of -- because of a chokehold. and how eric garner died.dangerous. there is a roone theason they w banned. >> yes, chokehold have been banned by all law enforcement agencies. just envision this, getting somebody's neck in the crux of your elbow and squeezing. not only do you run the risk of breaking the thyroid cartilage. but you are blocking arterial flow off to the brain. you are obstructing venous return back to the heart, and you are pressing on the nerves that come down, one on each side, the vegas nerve, tenth cranial nerve from the brain, enter the chest cavity and control cardiac, respiratory function. that lead to a diminution of respiratory activity, cardiac arrhythmia, and results in death. so you have a man who its pleading that he can't breathe. keep this also in mind. unlike position on asphyxiation, not to excuse that also kind of banned police behavior. but there, police officers are on top of some body. face is down. you don't see it. here you have the chokehold. you are right next to the man's face. and you hear him gaspin
ben arrests. we saw police placing people in plastic restraints. this is all dr. wecht, because of -- because of a chokehold. and how eric garner died.dangerous. there is a roone theason they w banned. >> yes, chokehold have been banned by all law enforcement agencies. just envision this, getting somebody's neck in the crux of your elbow and squeezing. not only do you run the risk of breaking the thyroid cartilage. but you are blocking arterial flow off to the brain. you are obstructing...
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ben was the architect a lot of the training efforts. >> as a man who -- >> you have been listening to new york city mayor as his office and the nypd look to prevent things such as eric garner'sth from happening again. i want to deal in rick leventhal, because is he live on the streets of new york city. this case raising new questions about police tactics. right? >> right, gretchen. what we expect to hear during this news conference at some point is about that retraining of police officers and the focussing on tactics of restraint and force that officers use to subdue suspects. obviously, a lot of attention now being placed on that choke hold, the choke hold that was used by police officers to subdue eric garner in july. a move that led to his death. the cell phone video that captured the arrest showed the 6'3", 350 pound man resisting officers' attempts to handcuff him, and that's when n wr pd officer used his arm around garner's neck to help bring him down to the ground. a police union spokesman says this was not a choke hold, but what's known as a seat belt maneuver, a common takedown tactic that's taught at the police academy. >> if you are speaking, can you breathe. unfo
ben was the architect a lot of the training efforts. >> as a man who -- >> you have been listening to new york city mayor as his office and the nypd look to prevent things such as eric garner'sth from happening again. i want to deal in rick leventhal, because is he live on the streets of new york city. this case raising new questions about police tactics. right? >> right, gretchen. what we expect to hear during this news conference at some point is about that retraining of...
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garner. those protests come on the heels of the protests that began in ferguson, missouri, after a grand jury there returned no indictment against officer darren wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. bent of the international association of the chiefs of police is joining me as well. gentlemen, with a welcome to you both, ben, i'll ask you first here. why have these two case, you think, raised such an outcry across the country? anything specific to them or perhaps the timing, one on the heels of the other? >> we watched a man be strangled by a cop on tv over and over again as that man called out saying "i can't breathe, i can't breathe." if that doesn't stir your soul, i don't know what would. it's very similar to the rodney king case. and unfortunately it strikes a chord because this happens too often. unarmed black men get killed at a rate that should shock all of us. and in a country that was really -- whose revolution was sparked by a case of really a young black man being killed by the red coats, this is a problem we have wrestled with for so long, people are finally ready for it to just be over. >> richard, you attended the president's meeting monday with the community and law e
garner. those protests come on the heels of the protests that began in ferguson, missouri, after a grand jury there returned no indictment against officer darren wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. bent of the international association of the chiefs of police is joining me as well. gentlemen, with a welcome to you both, ben, i'll ask you first here. why have these two case, you think, raised such an outcry across the country? anything specific to them or perhaps the timing, one on...