let's bring back naacp president ben jealous, who i think would characterize this as a miscarriage ofyou can be our eyes and ears out there tonight. how is the crowd reacting to this news? >> people are praying, they're coming together. some are sitting by themselves, sorting this out. this is a deeply personal moment in many ways, because it's a moment when your heart breaks, when your faith in our justice system is challenged, when our nation's greatest court has just deeply disappointed millions of people. one of the most terrifying moments of my day today is sitting next to a woman named keyana glover. we were on cnn together and she had just come out of hiding. she had went into hiding when the board of pardons and parole did the wrong thing because sylvester red coles had threatened her, threatened her just a few months ago, because she made clear that she intended to come forward and tell the world what he had said to her and others one night a few years ago when he was drunk and the case had heated back up, and he admitted that he had killed officer macphail. he had one of the

i have to ask you the same question i asked ben jealous.r knowledge, do you think the state of georgia executed an innocent man tonight? >> i have no way of knowing that one way or the other. but i think that we have found so many in the last years with scientific advances that were innocent, that we continue to execute people when there is doubt, i don't think that has anything to do with justice. mr. ault, what about the unusual circumstances surrounding all of this? do you think that this is -- this case, this event, this execution tonight is going to change a lot of attitudes in this country? >> well, at one time i hoped that would happen. we have presidential candidates who say that signing execution orders doesn't bother their conscience at all. but i still think men of conscien conscience, it does bother them. if people were aware of all the facts about capital punishment, i think logically, they would change their mind. logic does not always prevail, as you well know. >> dr. alt, stay with us. let's bring back rachel maddow, who wan

i'm joined now by the president and ceo of the naacp, ben jealous, joining me by phone tonight. ben, defiant was the word that was used to describe troy anthony davis. but a very interesting message and following these in the past, it seemed that he had more to say than most people who are about to be executed, asking his friends and family to dig deeper. how do you receive that tonight, ben? >> you know, the -- i think he said everything you would expect troy davis to say. this is not your typical case. this is a case where man for 22 years contended he was innocent and that every year and recently everyday, more and more information has come forward confirming that. i first met his sister 15 years ago. i had my doubts. as i dug into the case more, as she dug into the case more, every year, it became clearer and clearer she was right, troy was telling the truth. you would expect him to say those three things we heard him say tonight. you would expect him to say, i am innocent and you would expect him to say keep digging, a man of such deep faith and quite frankly grown close to

but i have to ask you the same question i asked ben jealous. and your knowledge, do you think that the state of georgia executed an innocent man tonight? >> i have in way of knowing that one way or the other. but i think that we have found so many in the last year, with scientistic van advances, that were innocent, that we continue to execute people when there's doubt, i don't think that has anything to do with justice. >> mr. ault, what about the unusual circumstances surrounding all of this? do you think that this is -- this case, this event, this execution will change a lot of attitudes in this country? >> well at one time i would hope that that would happen. but you know, we have presidential candidates who say that signing execution orders doesn't bother their conscious at all. but i still think that mean of conscience, it does bother them. and if people were aware of all the facts about capital punishment, i think logically they would change their mind. but logic does not always prevail as you well know. dr. ault, stay with us. let's brin

but i have to ask you the same question i asked ben jealous. draw on your experience and your knowledge, do you think that state of georgia executed an innocent man tonight? >> i have no way of knowing that one way or the other. but i think that we have found so many in the last few years with scientific advances that were innocent that we continue to execute people when there is doubt, i don't think that has anything to do with justice. >> mr. ault, what about the unusual circumstances surrounding all of this? do you think that this case, this event, this execution tonight, is going to change a lot of attitudes in this country? country? >> well, at one time i had hoped that that would happen. but you know, we have presidential candidates who say that signing execution orders doesn't bother their conscience at all. but i still think that men of conscience, it does bother them. and if people were aware of all the facts about capital punishment, i think logically they would change their mind. but logic does not always prevail as you well know. >>

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ben jealous, good to have you here with me. i know you have a lot planned for tomorrow.d on troy davis. >> we definitely will by tuesday. >> ben jealous, good to see you. 12 minutes past the hour. we were mentioning mark macphail, the officer. there's another side to this story. the mother of mark macphail, she lost a son 20 years ago. she's still in her mind waiting for justice. i got a chance to talk to his mother. she says she is ready for this long ordeal to be over. >> it has been hell because i want like -- i would like to have some peace. i would like to have this situation over with. we are the victims. >> you will hear my interview. much more from the mother of officer mark macphail when we come back. if something is simply the color of gold, is it really worth more? we don't think so. chase sapphire preferred is a card of a different color. unlike others, you get twice the points on travel, and twice the points on dining, and no foreign transaction fees. call now or apply at chasesapphire.com/preferred. i've got to tell susie ! the vending machine on elm is alm

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. >> here to weigh in, naacp president ben jealous and legal analyst sunny hostin. is this the end of the road for troy davis? what should his legal team be doing right now to save him? >> certainly i think they are doing all that they can do, randi. absolutely by sort of bringing this issue to the forefront, he has only six days until the scheduled execution and this really is an egregious case -- really an egregious case and it is really now up to the georgia department -- or rather the georgia parole board to do something about it. they can do something about it. they can stay his execution. they've done it before. and i've got to tell you, i've seen so many cases, randi, i've tried so many cases, and this is one of the most egregious cases i've ever seen that there is really actually evidence that he may very well be innocent. to allow a death penalty -- an execution to go forward in a case like this would be a miscarriage of justice. knowing what we know now about this case. >> ben, when you look at the testimony in this case, i mean the majority of witnesses h

we will continue to talk about this case with ben jealous.he naacp has been out in front and leading the charge against troy davis' execution. we'll continue to hear from all sides of this case throughout the weekend. >>> another story we are tracking this morning, the deadly crash at an air race. the pilot and at least two others are dead. now people are sharing their condolences, even sharing some thank yous for the pilot. that's next. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. i tell you what i can spend. i do my best to make it work. i'm back on the road safely. and i saved you money on brakes. that's personal pricing. >>> let's say good morning to alex appeared ra steel and let's say good-bye to summer. >> that's right. fall officially coming in on friday. but already for many of you, waking up around the great lakes offi

professor at princeton, we have jesse jackson, the former -- well, not the former, but head of push, ben jealous, head of the naacp. this was one of many books compiled in putting together the end of anger because i thought it was important to transcribe these things to have something to look through as i was sort of sorting through ideas of the book. >> how much of a difference is there in the writing process between working on a book versus an article for a magazine? >> magazine or newspaper? >> yeah, uh-huh. >> the process is sort of the same, but it's fundamentally different in terms of scope. with an article, it's a deadline, a matter of days. at best, a matter of weeks, and you don't have the time to let it marinade, over a period of months to look on it, reflect on it, think about the ideas and play with the ideas, play with different constructions. the other thing is that a book we're talking about 60,000 or 70,000 to 100,000 words. with an article, it's 1,000-3,000 so it's a different thing to ask a reader to stay with you for a thousand words versus 100,000 words. you need to have some