but back room before we get to friday tuesday wednesday and thursday ben weinstein is with us at the cme group in the what about the tone of the market sell-off we saw one day i envy yesterday's basically started from the open requite a bit ahead of the opening bell and we did see a little bit of a sell-off in the pit but it basically died out we had a very trading session in the most part with the closing bell copper very low about about an but it's been typical of the month. have no that the sell-off is in due in part because traders and investors are dumping their long positions but what about people initiating new short positions to what extent is that happening. fat than we are seeing that with little bit of least some of it started on friday night there was a big sell signal forswearing traders coming round 10 05 even 10 04 when a lot of selectivity that we busy friday. the pullback friday afternoon had some of those sorts concern to the new and is still short concern put in by the proposal would we can do very well coming in monday morning and the close monday. what's your opi