. >> and -- but i think if you look at the letter from bennie thompson the role in raising money by lying about how she was at that rally. bragging to somebody. we raised so much must be for this. literally one of my donors juliet 3 million. she is bragging about how much this was a big cash cow. >> and the potential criminality there is that with the committee has focused in on is that it was a lie and fraudulently raised money? >> yeah. keep in mind the committee is not only looking for criminality here but that is the potential. you could have potential wire fraud, could have -- clearly marketing in a fraudulent way and the committee is also i think building a broader case of what was happening here. we know trump's attempt to keep power and the other thing that's not gotten the attention which is how much this entire operation was an effort to raise money and raise money with lies and nothing to do with overturning the election. >> the grift. neal, i remember before trump left office, after he lost, a very close former trump adviser said this is about padding the legal defense fund. h

now, nbc caught up with bennie thompson a little earlier today and asked specifically are they alleging trump committed a crime here? he did not say specifically whether or not the committee is alleging that. he said he holds that the position in the brief. it could be a back door referral here. kicking it to the justice department, there's no way they wouldn't see that filing or at least have a sense that the committee believes that donald trump committed a crime here or a fraud as part of the january 6th attempt to overturn the election. >> thank you for that. with us right now is mark short. he was the chief of staff for former vice president mike pence. before that he was director of legislative affairs at the trump white house. mark, it's nice to see you. i appreciate you making time to talk to you about this. the committee as you've seen now alleged that the former president donald trump engaged in a potential conspiracy by trying to block congress from certifying the election. is that consistent with what you saw? >> peter, thanks for having me on. i'm not a lawyer. it seems to b

chairman bennie thompson told reporters that the committee has no evidence that trump's son-in-law wasd in the plans of january 6th and has not sought to obtain his emails, but is of interest as a role he played as a senior adviser. ivanka did attend and called the rioters patriots. according to the report, they hosted a fancy dinner for administration officials at their house nearly 24 hours after trump -- since trump's re-election bid, they have bent over backwards to try to rehabilitate their reputation. while the right is having a freakout what a private citizen hunter biden did, jared kushner and ivanka made $640 million while they were working at the white house. according to democratic congressman pete aguilar, a met of the january 6th committee, the payable is working to fill the eight-hour gap in the white house phone logs. chairman thompson confirmed to reporters that the panel is considering issuing a subpoena for trump's personal phone records. the house rules committee will meet monday to decide if they will recommend that the house find two people in contempt of congress

now chairman bennie thompson said may is what they're looking for.tion phase by the end of this month. the more questions they ask, the more questions seem to aride is that. >> questions begetting more questions, it would seem. we know jared kushner is one. president's closest advisers and he's out of country in the run up to january 6th, didn't return until the day of the riot. where does kushner fit in the committee's investigation? >> well, look, you know, kushner was not heavily involved in the whole rudy giuliani, mike flynn, sidney powell orbit of election fraud allegations, right? he basically checked out of that in the post-election period and was trying to spend husband time on middle east peace. he had had a throughin which criminal established diplomatic relations. it was a big moment. he wanted to focus on getting done as much as he could in those final months and he's used that since leaving office as a basis for future business deals and so forth as well. so he was out of the country on january 6th, just returning that afternoon from sa

trump's spokesman calling the ruling absurd, but committee chairman bennie thompson praised it, sayingling is a clear victory for the rule of law. >> reporter: paula reid, cnn, washington. >>> i'm lynda kinkade at the cnn center in atlanta. we're going to go back to hala gorani live in lviv after the break. stay with us. you're watching cnn. so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeyeah, yeah ♪ >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >>> welcome to our viewers around the world and in the united states this hour. i'm hala gorani. we are reporting live from lviv in ukraine where it is just past 8:00 in the morning. it hasn't even been a full day since russia announced it would drastically reduce its military operations in kyiv and chernihiv, and instead cnn crews on the ground in the capital are reporting the sound of

fbi double agent and former staffer for the house homeland security committee advising chairman bennie thompson who is principal of the corner stone government affairs. it's great to have you both on and my friend, as well. do you have a sense, just as a military guy, somebody who knows intimately the way the kremlin operates and the way the russian government and officials operate, do you have a sense of how long russia can keep this up? nobody believes them. nobody has trusted anything they say. nothing they say has any credibility. they're claiming they're pulling back but still bombing. do you have any sense how long they can keep this up? >> i think to answer that it's really two questions, joy. how long the russians can keep this up is independent with how long putin is going to try to force this on because i think that, you know, any logical met metric you would use say russians should leave. they're not going a achieve strategic goals and remove zelenskyy. it unlikely now they'll be able to take kyiv but that doesn't matter to putin. this is the fundamental problem. putin has no fears.

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. >> so as we're looking at all of this, the chair of the committee, bennie thompson saying the panel up depositions bit end of the month, april 1st and then move on to public hearings. in your view, are those hearings more about laying out a case, laying out what they found for lawmakers, or for the american people? >> without question the american people, erica. the evidence they have thus far, the information largely from the staff to mike pence, it is clear, and when you read these -- this pleading from last night and the attachments that included with it, it seems mike pence's staff were the adults in room trying to put brakes on all of this. most of the information is really in the papers. hearing it out of people's mouths and seeing it under the lights of primetime, that can have an effect on the public. in terms of putting together a coherent report and maybe even referral to the justice department for charges, that's all in the papers. >> elliot williams, great to have you. thank you. >> thank you, erica. >>> protecting ukrainians in the united states from deportation, you're

i know you spoke with chair bennie thompson about some of this. what are the plans here?re they going to subpoena here? >> a few things. i don't know if they're going to subpoena her. i think the first thing would be for her to come into a transcribed interview, voluntarily. that's how this committee typically operates, that's how most committees operate. they go soft at first, say, please come in and talk to us. if they don't or refuse or decline, they might then issue a subpoena to compel testimony. it just happened, actually, a couple of minutes ago, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, during a closed house democratic caucus meeting, asked what the democrats are going to do about clarence thomas. nancy pelosi responded that it's up to an individual justice to recuse themselves if their wife was participating in a coup. but it's safe to say that there is a lot of consternation on capitol hill. and i can tell you from my own reporting, and we reported this yesterday, most republicans are just rallying around clarence thomas, almost everybody that i've talked to. john

. >> i asked benny thompson, the committee chair about that this morning.ey're hoping to wrap up with depositions by the end of april so they can do hearings basically as soon as they finish, april, may, try to get an interim report out by june. that timeline has slipped from what it was around the holidays. we'll zoo if it slips further. a lot will depend on getting the last little bit of witnesses they've been chasing in for their depositions. >> i'm old enough to remember when they were looking at maybe march according to what they said on this show. garrett haake, thank you rnlts we'll have more on this later the show including more on what the select committee is doing and other questions related to the former president. and what a ban on russian oil imports could mean for you and your money. that's coming up. my asthma felt anything but normal. ♪ ♪ it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala reduces asthma attacks it's a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. ge

when i was talking to chairman bennie thompson, he said he wants to start the public hearings in may. but this week is a prime example of the fact that even as they think think might be coming to the close of the fact-finding phase of this, there is still more coming out, specifically as it relates to jared kushner. we reported that he would be scheduled for this deposition even before those ginni thomas text messages came out. more information is being made public, and although jared was out of the country in the lead-up to january 6th, it begs the question of what conversations he was having with people like ginni thomas, like others on the outside of the white house, and of course what conversations he was having in the white house, not just about january 6th but in regards to the larger attempts to potentially overthrow the election results. the big question for the january 6th committee is at what point do you put the pen down and start writing this narrative for the public. >> eugene, how important is this piece of a puzzle to write that narrative? in john carl's book, he wrote

we'll start paying attention because we can see chairman bennie thompson touching the mike and takingge left here and zoey to his right. here we go. >> to investigate the january 6th attack on the united states capitol will be in order. the select committee is meeting this evening to consider the house of representative find peter k. navarro and daniel scavino junior in contempt of congress for refusal to come pry with subpoenas that duly issued by the select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the united states capitol. without objection, the chair authorizes to declare the committee in recess at any time. i'll recognize myself for an opening statement. this evening, the select committee is considering two more citations for criminal contempt of congress for daniel scavino junior and peter navarro. before i get started, i want to comment quickly on the ruling today and john eastman's lawsuit to stop the select committee from obtaining certain records. as the vice chair i said in our statement earlier today, this ruling is a clear victory for the rule of law. i encourag

bennie thompson yesterday said he's hoping to wrap up the depositions phase of this by around april 1stnuary, it gives a sense of where the committee is trying to wrap up loose ends there. we expect in june the committee to publish an interim report of their findings, and after that but before the november elections, we expect them to put out something a little more holistic, not an interim but more of a final report. that punts us all in the next several months being fruitful for the committee. when you look at this filing and see the hundreds of pages, it was very dense, a lot of transcripts, you see who they've talked to -- keith kellogg, mark short, jason miller, people who were close to the former president, some remain close to the former president. it gives you a sense even though there was much hay made, rightfully so, of the people stone walling the committee, they have clearly gotten people to comply and to give them what they need to tell this narrative. now, on the eastman front of this, i do want to point out that while we're talking about this filing that effectively pushe

the chairman benny thompson said after the meeting that no decision had been made yet.ajority whip dirk durbin who serves as chairman of the judiciary committee called the situation a conflict of interest for justice thomas. >> it raises a serious question about the conflict of interest for justice thomas. i mean to think that he would consider a case where his wife is frequently contacting the chief of staff of the president, and giving advice on matters that are going to be ultimately litigated by the court, it is the ultimate conflict of interest, for the good of the court i think he should recuse himself in those cases. >> still ahead, an historic game decides the spot in the women's final four. the nfl makes a commitment to hiring more minority coaches and the major league baseball all-star tries to play by play with disastrous routes. that's coming up next in sports. . try saying hello gumwash with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% of plaque bacteria and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. my moderate to severe plaqu

benny thompson praised it saying. >> this ruling is a clear victory for the rule of law. >> reporter:eached out today to the justice department, they referred us back to garland's speech where he said the department is committed to holding january 6 perpetrators at any level accountable. son-in-law and former adviser jared kushner will appear voluntarily before the house select committee. the white house said it will not assert executive privilege over his testimony, that's consistent with how they handled other former white house advisers. jake? >> thanks so much. let's discuss this with senior legal analyst, former u.s. attorney for southern district of new york during the obama administration. back in february, cnn reported about a large gap in trump's call records on january 6, they're investigating if he used back channels, other people's phones, burner phones. if the committee received full logs that day, if trump engaged in a possible coverup. if they can prove those points, what might be the ramifications. >> not a good look for the former president of the united states. >> cl

started to look like a double standard for her and just today we learned that liz cheney and bennie thompsonsing this matter with the committee, staff, investigator, with other members and likely to send a letter or reach out to her in another way soon to ask her to come in for an interview. >> frank, you can also hold up this debate and the conversations about the substance of what she text and the people to whom she sent the messages and must also hold up the through line of how clarence thomas ruled on every case relating to the 2020 election in a community of one. here are the cases coming before the court. around the 2020 election. december 11, 2020, supreme court refusing to hear that texas lawsuit to overturn the results in six states. alito and thomas said the court should have taken up that case. february 22, 2021, the supreme court rejected the case by the pennsylvania gop challenging vote by mail rules. gorsuch, alito and thomas again dissent. and then here truly 1 of 1. january 19, 2022, the supreme court rejects trump's executive privilege claim over the white house documents. w