let's play that. >> have you called betsy andreu. >> yeah. >> did she take your call? did. >> was betsy telling the truth about the indiana hospital? overhearing you in 1996? >> i'm not going to take that on. and i'm laying down on that one. >> was betsy lying? >> i'm just not -- i'm going to put than one down. and i don't want to -- she asked me and i asked her not to talk about -- >> what you said? >> the details of the call. it was a confidential, personal conversation. it was 40 minutes long. i spoke to frankie as well. >> is it well with the two of you? have you made peace? >> oh -- no. >> okay. >> because they've been hurt too badly. and a 40-minute conversation isn't enough. and -- >> yes, because you repeatedly characterized her as crazy. called her other horrible things. >> well, and i -- i did call her crazy. >> you did. >> i did. i did. >> if you were to go back and look at all the tapes of things you said over the years about betsy -- >> and i -- i think she would be okay with me saying this, but i'm going to take the liberty to say it. i said, listen. i ca

i want to specifically point to one person named betsy andreu, she's the wife of cyclist frankie andreu, armstrong dropped frankie as a teammate after betsy accused lance of doping in 1996. here's how it happened. she says that she and her husband were present in a hospital bed -- in a hospital room when lance is in a hospital bed and had to answer some tough questions to the doctors about his health. when the doctors asked have you been taking any drugs, any performance enhancing drugs, she says that lance listed a litany of them, and that she gave that testimony under oath when she was asked. she just said she was honest and for that honesty, she and her husband were attacked and that their lives were changed forever and then as i said already, per husband dumped from the team. betsy had a chance to respond to the oprah interview and she did so by speaking directly to camera via anderson cooper's "a.c. 360" program last night. you got to see it. >> you owed it to me, lance, and you dropped the ball, after what you've done to me, what you've done to my family, and you couldn't own up t

. >> and left so many people angry, as former friend betsy andreu. >> you dropped the ball, lance. after what you have done to me and my family, and you couldn't own up to it. now we are supposed to believe you. you have one chance at the truth. this is it. >> i don't think there's anyone who would have watched this interview and felt like he was 100% truthful. >> talking to winfrey, armstrong wouldn't discuss details about betsy andreu. >> i'm not going to take that on. >> wouldn't tell winfrey about how the system worked. >> we need a long time. >> and never talked about how the drug use he long denied was ultimately uncovered. >>> next, the story lance armstrong wouldn't tell you. ♪ i don't wanna be right ♪ [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. so if you have a flat tire dead battery need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find

. >> and left so many people angry, as former friend betsy andreu. >> you dropped the ball, lance. after what you have done to me and my family, and you couldn't own up to it. now we are supposed to believe you. you have one chance at the truth. this is it. >> i don't think there's anyone who would have watched this interview and felt like he was 100% truthful. >> talking to winfrey, armstrong wouldn't discuss details about betsy andreu. >> i'm not going to take that on. >> wouldn't tell winfrey about how the system worked. >> we need a long time. >> and never talked about how the drug use he long denied was ultimately uncovered. >>> next, the story lance armstrong wouldn't tell you. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto-insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. make it wo

and betsy andreu is going to continue to say that.ve got two headlines in my head for tomorrow already. >> well, and, obviously, neither one of them are good. you think it's going to become a very big issue, this issue of the fact he said he didn't dope after 2005, which happens to also be the line of statute of limitations? >> absolutely. and also if he -- we know he wants to get back to triathlon. if he got his lifetime ban changed to eight years. that would change the start time for that. there's substantial evidence he doped after his comeback. >> thanks very much to all of you. we appreciate your taking the time and staying with us. and to all of you, our viewers as well. "pier piers morgan continues our coverage on lance armstrong. here's piers. with so much competition, finding the right job is never easy. but with the nation's largest alumni network, including those in key hiring positions, university of phoenix can help connect you to a world of opportunity. [ male announcer ] how could switchgrass in argentina, change engine

. >> and left so many people angry, as former friend betsy andreu. >> you dropped the ball, lance. now we're supposed to believe you? you have one chance at the truth. this is it. >> i don't think there's anyone who would have watched this interview and felt like he was 100% truthful. >> talking to winfrey, armstrong wouldn't discuss details about betsy andreu. >> i'm not going to take that on. >> wouldn't tell winfrey about how the system worked. >> we need a long time. >> and never talked about how the drug use he long denied was ultimately uncovered. >>> next, the story lance armstrong wouldn't tell you. [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. make it worth watching. introducing the 2013 lexus ls. an entirely new pursuit. introducing the 2013 lexus ls. trying to find a better job can likbe

they're liars. >> now, according to betsy andreu, the wife again of armstrong's ex-teammate frankie andreu to armstrong's bullying than, quote, controlling a narrative as he just explained. she says what happened when her husband didn't want to dope. >> he would say that he was -- he wasn't a general manager, he never forced people to do it, he never directed anybody to do it, to take dope. >> okay, then why did -- why did they make sure frankie's contract wasn't renewed in 2000 when he wanted frankie to see ferrari and frankie said, no, no, no, no. frankie rode the 2000 tour clean. had the vast majority of his career was clean. what was his reward? he didn't get compensated for that tour win. and he lost his job and his career was derailed. that's -- that's going up against lance armstrong. >> want to bring someone in who knows about this whole pressure to dope, the culture here. scott mercy, a former member of the u.s. postal service cycling team who left it because he said he didn't want to take performance-enhancing drugs and just to be clear, this was a year before armstrong joined th

let's play it down. >> have you called betsy andreu? >> yeah. >> did she take your call? >> she did. >> she did. was betsy telling the truth about the indiana hospital, overhearing you in 1996? >> i'm not going to take that on, and i'm laying down on that one. >> was betsy lying? >> i'm just not -- i'm going to put that one down. i don't want to -- she asked me and i asked her not to talk about -- >> what you said? >> -- the details of the call. it was a confidential, personal conversation. it was 40 minutes long. i spoke to frankie as well. >> is it well with the two of you? have you made peace? >> no. >> okay. >> because -- because they've been hurt too badly. and a 40-minute conversation isn't enough. and it -- >> yes. because you repeatedly characterize her as crazy, called her other horrible things and -- >> well, and i clarified something. i did call her crazy. >> you did. >> i did. i did. >> if you would go back and look at all the tapes and things you said over the years about betsy -- >> and i -- and i think she'd be okay with me saying this, but, i mean, i can t

joining me now, the people who know lance armstrong like few others do, betsy andreu whose husband rode with lance. daniel coyle, author of the book "the secret race." also bill strickland an editor-at-large at "bicycling" magazine, and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. betsy, your thoughts, you didn't actually watch the second part of the interview, but now on the totality of what he has said, your thoughts tonight? >> yeah. i didn't. i couldn't watch the interview tonight not because i didn't want to, i taped it, i will watch it. i have been asked a lot, and for me it's a sense of relief more than vindication, but it's a tremendous sense of sadness. yesterday i was obviously visibly upset, and today it's -- as you said, it's a sense of sadness. >> sadness about what? >> it, how it has affected so many people in such a destructive way. that's why. i mean, it hurts -- obviously it has a toll on lance. so many people in the saga have been hurt. i don't know if you touched upon greg for example. his children, people who just defended him to the ninth or the tenth, whatever you say. he

still ahead, we'll continue the conversation with niccole cook and betsy andreu. and this weekend, we'll break down the case against lance armstrong, 10:00 eastern. a closer look at the constant doping chatter. the world according to lance armstrong, right here on cnn. saturday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern. >>> other news, john berman with a look at that. >> thank you so much. i can't get the lance armstrong thing out of my head. >>> big news overseas. the hostage crisis in al jaera, entered its third day, and british, norwegian, japanese, believed to be among those held by militants in algeria. bp confirm some of their employees unaccounted for. british officials said there were a significant number of british victims. david cameron spoke out this morning about the crisis. here are some what he said. >> algerian prime minister later last night told me that the first operation was complete. but this is a large and complex site and they are pursuing terrorists and hor aijss in other areas of site. algerian prime minister told him they are looking at all possible rou

one of these people, betsy andreu, the fiance and sister of cyclists and lance armstrong went after herd. oprah asked him about this last night. let's listen. >> was betsy telling the truth about the indiana hospital? overhearing you in 1996? >> i'm not going to take that on, i'm laying down on that one. >> was betsy lying? >> i'm just not -- i'm going to put that one down. she asked me, and i asked her not to talk about the details of the call. it was a confidential personal conversation. >> so i guess my question to you is the cycling community -- the cycling community, is he willing to forgive these attacks and how hard he was on so many people? >> the sicycling community is outraged. they hate what he's done. he is excellent villian, lance, like barry bonds, a good target, he has created this corruption against him. they have been quite accurate about their analysis, and they have created a giant following of lance haters if you will, not just them, but across the board, the community feels betrayed. >> has he done enough to fix that? >> i don't think he ever will. what he can do, a

i thought you were a better person than that. >> betsy andreu provided the voicemail to the new york daily news as evidence of the threats and intimidation she says they suffered. then there's greg lamand, the only american to win the most grueling race before armstrong went on his string of seven straight wins. the relationship between the two men was anything but close, especially after lamande questioned armstrong's association with a controversial italian doctor named mikali ferrari. frankie said armstrong was clearly upset at la monday's comments and he said i recall lance saying words to the affect of who does he think he is talking about ferrari. i'm going to take him down. and he did. armstrong had great influence with the bike sponsored trekk which dropped its support of lamond's brand, damaging his bike business. armstrong also intimidated his critics in competition. in the 2004 tour du france he held the france's overall lead but surprised everyone when he chased down filipo cimioni. why? only to punish him and prove a point. he had crossed armstrong in the past by testify

and even though he fessed up to cheating, when it came to the human part, metering people like betsy andreu for refusing to lie, and sabotaging her husband's cycling career, many saw a lack of compassion that seemed bizarre at best. here's how he described his apology to andreu. >> i said, listen, i called you crazy, i called you a [ bleep ]. i called you these things. but i never called you fat. >> reporter: are you satisfied by anything you heard? >> no, i'm not. i'm really disappointed. here i am, i don't know if i'm stupid. willing to give him a second chance. but i think he blew it. >> reporter: tonight armstrong's lawyers will be considering that too whether his words might come back to haunt him in court. >> we're joined now by neal karlinsky who has covered this story for so long. what are his teammates saying? >> we've heard from two former teammates. to be fair, they still have a lot of questions for lance armstrong. but they consider the fact that he's made an admission and some apologies, a huge first step. because this is a guy who does not admit mistakes or apologize easily. >

former friend betsy andreu says she was in the hospital room when, during his fight against cancer, armstrong admitted performance enhancing drug use to his doctors. when she refused to lie about it, she says he lashed out, putting the brakes on her husband's career in cycling. >> it's bittersweet. there's been a lot of damage done to us, but at least the first step has been taken. >> reporter: those who know lance armstrong best say pictures of his face during competition tell you everything. ferocious and focused. someone who planned meticulously and executes based on his own instinct. and that hasn't changed. lance armstrong may admit using drugs, but he also still sees himself as the champion. confession or not to oprah, officials are not satisfied. and lance armstrong still faces a lifetime ban. diane? >> a lifetime ban. so, what would it take to change that, neal? >> reporter: well, officials tell abc news that he is now in talks with them about coming forward, fully, confessing fully to officials, possibly testifying against others and if he does so, officials say, he could reduce that

armstrong refuse to answer when oprah winfrey asked him if betsy andreu, the wife of armstrong's formermate frankie andreu, was telling the truth when she said that in 1996, she overheard him telling a doctor treating him for cancer that he was doping. he also limited to being a bully. >> armstrong has been stripped of his tour de france titles and the olympic medal that he won in 2000. he is also facing numerous lawsuits. saith the second part of the interview with oprah winfrey airs tonight. >> still ahead on kron4 morning news. attention and frequent fliers, a major airline lays out new rules for passengers with high- flying status. >> new information from the boeing and this morning about its plans for its 787. what engineers are working on right now. >> we will also have issues with boeing and how it affected wall street today. we are looking at a pre market mover ahead of opening bell. that is all still ahead on kron 4 morning news. [ womanom ] thi tis mis this iss my tey i feelfe more orinspirsp. . more preositivit [ male alennouncou ] o ]y liyn on adds fre fsh-pre-ped ted les to

joining me is juliet macur and betsy andreu. travis is telling scott on "60 minutes" that lance armstrong lied to oprah winfrey about his 2009-2010 attempt at the tour de france. armstrong said he used a little bit of epo previously. travis tygart says that is absolutely not true. also lance armstrong claimed he didn't offer usada a $250,000 donation amid lingering questions about whether he was doping or not. and that he didn't pressure teammates to dope their blood. travis says all of that is not true. that he did pressure teammates, that a lieutenant of his did offer a donation that he was doping 2009, 2010. and that he pressured teammates. what's your reaction to what travis tygart has said? >> well, i think that, remember, in the interview with oprah, lance said if he could go back to june when usada reached out to him, he said he would do anything to have that day back and accept his offer. so despite trying to bankrupt usada and destroy them, they've graciously given lance another opportunity to have that day back. and if

but the interesting thing that betsy andreu said, lance was the main impediment to cyclists ever organizingn. cyclists tried to organize an union. he was the one who said have made it happen and he was the person who stopped it from happening. if you want to stop doping, then you have to make courses safer. that's why people dope. the courses were death marchs. lance armstrong stood against that while making sure he had the best dope so he could win seven tour de frances. it gets so disgusting that it's hard not to feel as angry as ms. andreu sounded in that clip. >> john: and it seems to cast some doubt on armstrong's claim that he's sorry. >> your come back was also a tipping point. do you regret coming back. >> i do. i wouldn't be sitting here if i hadn't come back. >> you would have gotten away with it? >> it's impossible to say. much better chances. but i didn't. >> john: dave, i have to imagine that considering the amount of slander lawsuits that are going to be coming at him and defamation of character lawsuit he must have lawyered up before this interview with oprah ever began, woul

the needles in the arm that he took for epo, all those things and will he talk about people like betsy andreuer husband who he tried to crush because he dared to say he was doping. i really don't think oprah will get into that during the interview. >> betsy, i heard you laughing as well and i know you have similar doubts. my question is how detailed will oprah get in her questions. if you read the reports, the details are so damning and i'd be curious to hear any answers he has to any of the allegations. betsy, do you think this is going to be a cake walk for him? >> i presume it will be. and i base that on the interview that oprah did with marion jones where she did not know the sport well enough, she didn't know the doping that went in track and field in order to ask the tough questions and the follow-up questions. and as well in april of 2011, oprah welcomed and embraced lance on to her program when lance was under a federal criminal investigation and never asked him about it. she embraced him all the time. and if oprah did, he was on her show a number of times and if oprah did ask the que

. >>> now, to betsy andreu, his husband was lance armstrong's teammate and close friend. the couple was part of his intimate circle, until he says they turned on him. betsy, good morning. you said you were furious watching that interview. what was it you expected to hear? >> i want to give credit to lance because what he did, admitting that he was a fraud and a cheat, all those years, is a huge, big step. he took the first step. but he -- it all started with his hospital room, where he admitted using performance-enhancing drugs. and he wouldn't step up to the plate where it all happened. this is where it all started. i was really disappointed personally that he didn't admit to that. >> he admitted ruining the lives of many people who told the truth about his doping. but when he was asked point-blank, if you told the truth when you testified under oath, that lance had told his cancer doctors in that hospital room, that he used performance-enhancing drugs, he refused. he said, i'm going to lay down on that one. it sounds like he was saying, she didn't tell the truth. but i'm

. >> reporter: andreu and his wife, betsy, saw their reputations attacked by armstrong, when they refused to lie under oath. >> i got ripped apart from the livestrong supporters. >> reporter: armstrong's sudden leap of faith is loaded with risks. he's outlasted a statute of limitations for criminal perjury charges for lying under oath. but at least three major civil suits are in the works. meaning a small army of lawyers will be dissecting everything he says. sources tell abc news that if armstrong's interview matches what he's told people close to him, you can expect a confession that includes the argument that everyone does it, and not just in cycling, but the nfl and elsewhere. we will see tonight and we'll see what people think. >> i don't know. that didn't work with my parents. and it doesn't work with my kids. >> and if he gets too specific, he could face more legal action. >> he is walking a very delicate tightrope here. because he doesn't want to get himself into more trouble. his p.r. nightmare continues. but he doesn't want to pay out more money that he is already likely going t

but andreu was ostracized after he and his fiancee-- now-wife-- betsy, testified in 2005 that armstrong acknowledged using performance-enhancing drugs. >> for my wife and i, we've been attacked and ripped apart by lance and all of his people and all his supporters, repeatedly, for a long time. i just wish they wouldn't have been so blind and opened up their eyes earlier to all the signs that indicated there was deception there, so that we wouldn't have had to suffer as much. and it's not only us, i mean he's ruined a lot of people's lives. >> suarez: regulators from the official bodies that police cycling are also speaking out. the head of the world anti- doping agency-- david howman-- has demanded armstrong make his confession under oath. he told the associated press, "he's got to follow a certain course. that is not talking to a talk show host." armstrong vehemently denied doping for more than a decade, insisting he'd been tested hundreds of times and never failed a test. now, the international cycling union has commissioned an investigation into claims that positive test samples were