here it is. >> betty thompson said a staffer over here. where's betty thompson.oena thompson and they are hiding behind these phony privileges. he is to cut this to come over here himself, he has made it a crime, made it a crime. not a simple charge of avoiding testimony but a crime. and he didn't have the courage or guts to show up here any says a staffer. i challenge benny thompson today to have it come to this courthouse. he's going to be charged with a crime. he's got to be man enough to show up here. >> well we all know that many thompson has covid right now. but there is also the idea of that statement. benny thompson is not prosecuting anybody. he's in a different branch of the government entirely. right? >> i think that a deal was cut there between ben and his lawyer was his lawyer said, look, you really got to keep a lid on it in the courtroom. let me be do the talking. but a lot to chant on the courtroom steps. >> you know the lawyer, right? you used to work with him at the same office, right? it doesn't surprise you that ease that vocal outside? certai

where is betty thompson? we subpoena thompson, and they're hiding behind these phony privileges.'s made it a crime, made it a crime. not a civil charge of wanting testimony, but a crime. and he didn't have the courage or guts to show up here. i challenge benny thompson to have the courage to come to this courthouse. he's gonna charge me with a crime, he's got to be man enough to show up here. >> we lost sight of benny thompson, i think he has covid now. but there's also the idea of that statement. shannon, -- not prosecuting anyone. he's a different branch of government entirely, right? >> i think the ideal -- between bannon's lawyer, his lawyer said, look, you have to keep a lid on it in the courtroom, let me do the talking, but -- >> he used to work with the lawyer in the same office. is it surprising to you that he's that vocal? i tell you, the judge as a trump appointee. he's gonna know that they're talking on the courthouse steps at some point. that's not gonna offend the judge or get him in trouble? >> i think it will. i'm a little surprised the judge didn't tell him not to

. >> betty thompson said a staffer over here. where is benny thompson. we subpoena thompson and they are hiding behind these phony privileges. he's too gutless to come over here himself. he's made it a crime. made it a crime. not a simple charge of wanting testimony. but a crime. and he didn't have the courage or guts to show up there. he sent a staffer. >> so in case it wasn't clear from, that steve bannon really wanted benito ms. into testify at his trial. the judge shut that down. when banner tried to subpoena him. he left the door open a possibility revisiting that depending on where the prosecutors case goes. but there is a very slim chance that betty thompson's gonna be testifying. especially considering he testified for covid today. >> i wish i didn't have the racy audiences time with the sideshow that this is. but this is a big deal that he is having to do this. the prosecution says that bannon has traded profuse fall the. rules do you think that his defense holds any water here? >> i really don't. and i think that most of which are saying is jus

betty thompson, the chairman of the committee indicated to reporters that thursday would be a day this issue would be discussed and jake, also, what will they do to get the former president himself to testify. almost certainly he would fight that if there is a subpoena to him. is the committee willing to go that far and drag things out or move on without his testimony? those are the key questions as they move into next week. the last hearing in this phase before they finalize the report language they hope to issue later this fall. >> manu, tell us about the group of senators working on a deal to overhaul the electoral count act. the first official legislative response to donald trump's attempt to overturn the legal and legitimate win. >> reporter: this is the law that governs how that happens on the day of congressional certification when donald trump tried to pressure mike pence to disregard state certified electoral results. something that constitutional experts would be illegal but there's am big ewety in the law and senators are saying they're close to change how the law actually g

. >> on wednesday, betty thompson set the doj asked for the evidence that created a plot to create stateectors in battleground states. it's the only topic that they have raised to the committee. then this revelation from the police officer, the man beaten so bad by the protesters. he put his life on the line to protect. they seem now wanting nothing to do with them. >> sometimes i run into them in the hallway, they pretend not to see me. they avoid me or bolt to the right, the left, pretend to be doing something else. in a year and a half since i was injured, they know my injuries, only adam kissinger and liz cheney have approached me. i'm not saying that i need that from them, but that shows a lot from the people who claim that they support the police. that are pro-law and order. >> lots to talk about. journey me, ellie. mary mccord served in the justice department. clint watts worked as a consultant for the anti- terrorism division. he's at the foreign policy resurgence and nbc analyst. i want to start with the phone call. we don't know who the president called. just support staff. how

betty thompson, the chairman of the committee indicated to reporters that thursday would be a day thise, also, what will they do to get the former president himself to testify. almost certainly he would fight that if there is a subpoena to him. is the committee willing to go that far and drag things out or move on without his testimony? those are the key questions as they move into next week. the last hearing in this phase before they finalize the report language they hope to issue later this fall. >> manu, tell us about the group of senators working on a deal

they may still be at the white house, and was somebody who the committee, as you know for betty thompson's was somebody that they were talking to, did not plan on present-ing as a witness, but somebody that could corroborate some of cassidy hutchinson's startling bombshell allegations. most especially, the idea that the president threw a dish of catch up at the wall, when his attorney general told him that, guess what, you did not win the election. we have investigated it, and all of these allegations are baloney. but obviously, stephanie, the most interesting thing about this phone call is that it is twofold. one, the president makes it after somebody else on his team contacts cassidy hutchinson. the whole hearing with cassidy was essentially rushed, because there was this idea that she felt a little bit threatened by a phone call from somebody in trump world, saying that they knew that she would be loyal. she would stay loyal. and the bizarreness of this second call is that the president makes it. the former president makes it to somebody that he doesn't normally contact, but happened to

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individual, we don't know how extensive that communication is, the chairman of the select committee betty thompson today that this person hasn't been formally deposed. that's different, laura, you know this better than anyone as an attorney. that's much different than -- not under oath, the committee has had numerous conversations like that from other witnesses, they don't necessarily rise to the level of the deposition, under a. which we've also seen. this is significant, it gives us unique insight into why the committee thought this was a problem, and why the committee decided to bring that information to light. chairman thompson also told me earlier today, we should expect to learn more about this phone call and why they believe it is a problem, in the days and weeks ahead. this is a significant development, something many people have been trying to figure out, we can report that the person who received this phone call was a member of the white house support staff, who had some knowledge of cassidy have tons in this testimony. laura. >> ryan noble, a well-known let's bring in our palette elliot

. >> just looking at some of your viewers statement from chairman betty thompson and liz cheney in then of steve bannon is the victory of law and the affirmation of the committee's work. steve bannon chose allegiance to donald trump with the law, no one is above the law. what do you think? >> this shows the commitment to continue to go to the mat. there is another figure out there, another thing that will happen here. and also held in contempt of congress that shows just how aware they are. you have to go back to the 1970s. that's pretty compelling. now remember that there are other figures that they did not go to the match with when it pertains to attempt of congress. mark meadows this one, and the department of justice has not decided to prosecute the former aide there and something that came out yesterday where the committee members alluded to the fact that they do not want to get bogged down on his guys on attempt of congress. even if steve bannon goes to jail, that is not necessary mean that they are getting on the track here. that committee is going to expire at the end of this c

. >> this is don lemon tonight and if you're just tuning in to cnn i have to tell you about betty thompson, the committee chair. he says that the january six committee has decided whether to subpoena mike pence or trying to call donald trump to testify. watch this? >> i think we would benefit from that testimony. they both have, i would think, significant knowledge about what goes on. but we have a committee. and we will work through the process. >> plus, first of cnn, multiple sources say a former trump national security council official will not testify, publicly, and thursday's primetime hearing. matthew pottinger resigned on january six after trump's tweet slamming his own vice president for refusing to overturn the election. >> one of my staff brought me a print out of a tweet by the president. and the tweet said something obvious to the effect of mike pence, the vice president didn't have the courage to do what's should have been done. i read that tweet. and made a decision at that moment. to resign. that is where i knew that i was leaving that they. once i had read that tweet. >> in

. >> sure, i think that she and of course betty thompson the chairman of the committee working with aff. let's give of course so much support and accolades to the staff who have really done,i think the -- work in terms of putting this evidence together. they really kept it very measured, as we tried to during the impeachment. this is not trying to be hair on fire but really just being very methodical about the evidence and i'm grateful that the heaviest us primary evidence and witnesses the republicans themselves who were involved in this other individuals at the justice department and now miss hutchinson. i have to say that i worked in the bush administration, work at the justice department during thatime under attorney general ashcroft, and to see hutchinson's attorney sitting behind her, built jordan who had been at the justice department during that time, also to me lend credibility to what she was doing. having switched the attorneys that she had. she was looking for someone who's going to be, you know, who's a republican insider, but somebody who is about the truth. somebody who

course as you state the committee is actually trying to connect these groups to trump i mean, betty thompsonold jake tapper witnesses have described conversations between extremists and people in trump's orbit and we have seen photos of roger stone resent with oath keepers trying to serve his detail and security detail. but what will it take in terms of the orbit specifically to know that they were direct did by trump or to prove that they were either given a command, given the code red so to speak or someone in his orbit, will it be that precise statement of trump said to me the following statement or does the circumstantial evidence of this at some point for you tip the scale? >> i would be concerned about circumstantial evidence because the committee has so much now if they go too much circumstantial people who have been persuaded, i was skeptical until a few weeks ago and the more i watch this the more i say this is far worse than i anticipated. if the committee goes to circumstantial people like me are watching i hope with open eyes and with sort of a cold stare at this, are going to sa

that is entitled to hear -- >> to your point about timing, the letter that was sent from chair betty thompsond the records by tuesday. that is in advance of anything that is going to come out in thursday's primetime hearing. joyce, also breaking overnight, the justice department is saying that the january six committee has adequately justified its subpoena. former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, he sued the committee late last year. he claimed executive privilege. the doj conclusion is coming a month after it is trying to hold meadows in criminal contempt for his noncompliance with subpoenas. what should we make a choice of this latest development. -- they declined to charge mark meadows with contempt. >> this is a perplexing situation. katie, you and i have discussed this. you know my feeling, the doj got the balance wrong here. they declined to enforce against meadows. likely, what they had in mind why they made this consideration, whether or not we agree with them, it is the difference in the burden of proof that they have in the civil case. they are seeking to enforce the subpoe

now it began with very strong words or from betty thompson, the chair. he said 3 sentences that were key. donald trump wanted to overturn an election. he wanted to summon a mob and he wanted to recklessly, blaze a path to do those things. a 187 minutes kept being mentioned, that's the time frame. they're talking about. during this a hearing that we've heard so far, we're almost getting a blow by blow that every single minute almost is being accounted for. it's forensic in its detailed list. cheney then set out the case or she was 1st to speak, and she introduced to key witnesses. matthew pot, inger, who's a former deputy national sec error, says charity advisor and sarah matthews, who is a trump aid. elaine maria then spokes his congress on she said trump refused to act . and his selfish desire to stay in pow several committees. interviews were also presented her and they all told by the urge people telling posters to stop and to lead patch. bologna issued a very strong statement, he's the former white house council sank. he told donald trump to stop the

speaking of the january 6 hearing during this week's ready hearing, chairman betty thompson asked formal spokesperson, jason van about the experience of the group and what their objective is. [video clip] >> can you help us understand who those people are? >> i can, thank you. my time with -- i want to be rash with that first standoff when i went to cover them as a independent journalist. i had then subsequently covered two more standoffs. it was at that time that i was offered a job as national media director and a associate for the webpage. so, i spent a few years with the keepers. i can tell you that, they may not like the call themselves a militia but they are. they are a violent militia. they are largely. i think rather than try to use words, i think the best illustration for what the oath keepers are happened january 6. we saw that stack military information going up the stairs in our capital. i saw a radicalization that started with the beginning of my time with them and continued over time as the member base and who it was, stuart was courting drifted further right into the all r

speaking of the january 6 hearing during this week's ready hearing, chairman betty thompson asked formalpokesperson, jason van about the experience of the group and what their objective is. [video clip] >> can you help us understand who those people are? >> i can, thank you. my time with -- i want to be rash with that first standoff when i went to cover them as a independent journalist. i had then subsequently covered two more standoffs. it was at that time that i was offered a job as national media director and a associate for the webpage. so, i spent a few years with the keepers. i can tell you that, they may not like the call themselves a militia but they are. they are a violent militia. they are largely. i think rather than try to use words, i think the best illustration for what the oath keepers are happened january 6. we saw that stack military information going up the stairs in our capital. i saw a radicalization that started with the beginning of my time with them and continued over time as the member base and who it was, stuart was courting drifted further right into the all rig