however, walking between the west wing and elb one night with ehrlichman, and one other person, there were three of us. may have been ken cole who worked for ehrlichman or may have been bud kroeg. no. i don't know. there were three of us walking along. i turned to ehrlichman, said john, you know, i'm going to be leaving here. but if you guys allow hunt to go to prison, to get convicted and to take the wrap for this, i am going to come back and talk to the president. i'm going to tell the president -- no, before i leave, i'm going to tell the president i want to be sure he pardons him, before i leave this white house. and ehrlichman didn't say a word to me. i never did it. i did it so ehrlichman would think i was doing it, but i never raised it with the president. later ehrlichman said i had done it. and the president went into a frenzy. that was december when he called me over to the white house, december of '73, and he's sitting up in the lincoln sitting room with all of the tapes out, transcripts in front of him, and he says did i promise clemency for hunt? i said no. are you sure? did i have a conversation with you in whi