joe biden is as close to beating him. >> are you on record saying that?will be down there and working that very hard and effectively. >> i think love him or hate him, everyone has an ankle like joe biden. >> yes, i think he is a universal uncle. there is constant speculation about this, the wall street journal has a little piece on it talking about maybe it's time to kick biden off the ticket and bring in hillary. is that what we do? >> i have never heard -- >> that is the story that keeps on giving. why r why tuz it keep coming up? >> it doesn't make sense. >> the injection would be fantastic. >> the problems that he is having with women would automatically be solved. simply for the nakt he is a woman who kicks ass in politics. >> this conversation will continue again throughout the 2012 race. so don't feel like it has to end here. thank you for joining us. google it. >> twitter as well. >> when we come back, the reverendal sharpton joins the panel and we will look at how the rich are avoiding taxes and companies are getting secret loans from the governm

jill biden, getting mixed reaction. the two were there to take part in an initiative to honor military families. >> how nice of them. >> here you go. >> please welcome our grand marshals, sergeant andrew barry and family. first lady of the united states michelle obama and dr. jill biden as they deliver the most famous words in motor sports. >> gentlemen, start your engines! >> that wasn't that bad. couple guys booed. >> they're with children. >> overreaction. >> it was kind of rude, but they looked like very nice -- very nice of them to be there. >> the real story, tony stewart beats carl edwards. he wins the race. that's all very exciting. >> who cares? >> you just showed -- lots of people care. >>> still ahead, senators john kerry, joe manchin, keep it on

service had to tackle biden. uses kung fu skills to get them out of there. japan. he said they are different? >> it's mortifying what biden is doing. >> we missed all that miller. somehow the white house press corps didn't see any of that i'm glad you picked it up for us. >> i have a better grade of cable than you. i have the titanium package. >> any idea what's on the menu at the state dinner? what do you serve when the chinese people come over? you can't have pee king duck because it's not pee king anymore. it's beijing. [scream] >> truth told hue jing talk could rather be back at the comfort inn in his pa jammies with a mcrib sandwich. what do you do? he has got to go do it. he goes over to speaker of the house boehner. used to be in bodeville together under the name you would try and then i see where he brought everybody with him. he brought his top military guy, general sao. some people question his cowardice they say general sal's chicken. i don't think so. he is alternating tangy and spicey and sweet. >> t

why would joe biden help here?den's second home state, that is, he served the -- in the senate from delaware for decades. but there's a huge overlap between the media markets in pennsylvania and in delaware. he's very well-known, not to mention the fact that scranton's his hometown. and ultimately, joe biden is a connection to the kind of white working class voters that president obama has a hard time connecting with and that's one of the things that the administration and the obama re-election campaign is hoping to use him for. >> is that the thought in ohio, he'll be able to connect to white working class voters? >> reporter: absolutely. we all remember the difficulties that president obama had against hillary clinton in the 2008 primaries. ohio is a tougher state than pennsylvania. pennsylvania's gone more consistently for the democrats. ohio, the president carried it four years ago, but it's a hard lift for him. it might be one of those that fall off. i should say, chris, i don't think anybody in the obama camp

not only that, let remember one of the reasons that obama picked biden is because biden could help himing class white voters in states like pennsylvania. >> my crowd, too. >> exactly. and biden helped deliver those votes. >> can he deliver the really hard ones to get, the appalachian white, western pennsylvania, ohio. they're tougher to get than the irish italian guy -- >> they're going to be tougher this time around because the economy is so bad. i'm not sure hillary clinton could help any more than joe biden. >> i always wondered when people were voting for hillary clinton, were they voting for her or again obama? >> i think they were voting for her at that point. >> i don't know. >> most people want to vote for someone they like and they feel good about, not to stop somebody else. >> so has looked so good as secretary of state. i don't want to get in the way of anything that will work for all of these people involved. i do think the role of secretary of state is the greatest job in the world, first of all. it the better job than any other job. you don't have to do all the diddley an

vice president joe biden is in baghdad.president. >> it's good to be back for this purpose. it's good to be back. >> thank you. >> during his trip, the vice president will be thanking the troops and meeting with iraq's leaders. the visit comes as u.s. forces, of course, prepare for complete withdrawal by the end of next month. nbc's ann curry is traveling with vice president biden and joins us by phone from iraq. this is an important time. a real inflexion point in our policy in iraq. >> reporter: good afternoon. the c-17 carrying vice president joe biden landed in darkness in bad baghdad. pilots were wearing infrared goggles amid security at 10:32 eastern time where as you point out, with security concerns are especially heightened here. the vice president team seems especially mindful of the recent rise in violence in iraq as u.s. troops are withdrawing. numerous bombings in recent weeks, including recent days here in baghdad which military leaders attribute to terrorist groups giving false impression that americans are f

not only that, let's remember that one of the reasons that obama picked biden is because biden could working class, white voters in states like pennsylvania. exactly. and biden helped deliver those votes. >> but can he deliver the really hard ones to get the appalachian whites? the ones in southwestern pennsylvania? once you get in that part of the country -- ohio, get a little further west, they're tougher to get than the irish-italian guy. >> and they're going to be tougher this time around because the economy's so bad and i'm not sure that hillary clinton could help any more than joe biden. >> i always wonder when people voted for hillary clinton for that primary in places like that, were they voting for her or against obama? >> i think they were voting for her at that point. >> i don't know. >> that's my guess. most people want to vote for someone they like and feel good about. not to stop somebody else. >> okay. she has looked so good as secretary of state, i don't want to get in the way of anything that would work because we should always get the best candidates. but i do think

jill biden. >> are we talking about a trans sexual? i don't support that either. >> going off what you -- just wondering if dash dosh why are you on the show? >> what else does biden have to do? why wasn't he there? >> does anybody think they were booing the military? >> no. >> but here is the thing for me. we get to hear all of the time about how the people that occupy wall street deaf pho indicating on cop cars and doing stuff like that are not representative of the movement and of their infiltrators, but the minute something like this happens, i see liberals saying nothing but oh all nascar fans are racist and all nascar fans are there, and it pisses me off. >> if the tea party did half of the things that occupy wall street did, maybe they would deserve the condemnation that was spouted. >> i agree. >> from a perm place, my opinion -- from a personal place, my opinion of nascar is just as broad as wall street. when people get into large groups like that, they start acting like more rones. >> but also your opinion is invalid. >> that

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vice president biden is on a visit to iraq just a few weeks before u.s. troops there complete their withdrawal. among the more than 1 million americans who have now served in iraq over the past eight years, biden's own son bo and the delaware national guard. ann curry is with us tonight from baghdad. ann, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. vice president biden is marking the final weeks of the eight-year u.s. war in iraq. he's saying the obama administration is fulfilling a promise to the american people. he e reaffirmed the final withdrawal will happen before december 31. and after meeting with iraq's prime minister malaki today he said the u.s. is about to begin a new chapter launching a civilian mission to help iraq rebuild but it's unlikely that u.s. troops will ever return here. we were able to grab a few minutes with the vice president today. he became passionate when asked whether americans have a moral obligation to thousands of iraq war veterans now returning home. >> if you want somebody who knows how to handle pressure, billions of

sending joe biden to save the president is a crazy idea. if the president can't stand alone on the record, 75 percent of the people regardless of party affiliation believe that the count is heading down the wrong track. they will blame the president for that. he promised in his inaugural address he would address it as top priority. he has yet to address it and yet to secure the bord ares and he's been a totalure. he has none at all. >>> and biden is stronger for working class and the jewish community. you think that biden is weak in those areas? >> i don't believe he's weak. he has a pay roll tax engstension and jobs bill that the republicans obstructed and even this they tried to do so on immigration. and this is a team effort. there is a president and vice-president . both of them are going to be out there, and i might add we'll not see george bush hustling but we'll see bill clinton and grov gov randle supporting the democratic ticket. >> david got the last word. david and brad, it is it a pleasure, back to pakistan. the government is ac

their name are liberty and peace. >> bob: biden. >> dana: biden was not there.e i guess. then they will go and live out their life. >> greg: isn't that ridiculous? the turkey didn't know it's thanksgiving. how stupid is that? >> dana: when i was deputy press sneak 2006, president bush was in the meeting in aboval office. he had an important meeting. every meeting in oval office is important meeting. and they were getting ready for ceremony in the rose garden, barney bush, scottish terrier, walking on his walk on the south lawn and saw one of turkeys and went for him. nearly got his turkey. got the claw bit of it. president bush came flying out of the oval office and grabbed barney and saved the turkey. can you imagine, is is there anything worse that could happen to us p.r. wise? >> andrea: the funniest is when the turkey head-butted the president in the crotch. that was really funny. he handled it very well. but it was funny. >> bob: he pardoned two turkeys? >> andrea: yeah. >> bob: boehner get the pardon? >> greg: took my job and reran it. >> bob: you were mak

luke, where was joe biden in all of this? we know he's often dispatched to the hill to sort of get action done behind the scenes. what was his role. >> i talked to a few democrats, they said there was some contact from biden to his friends on the super committee, compared to the role he had in the debt limit extension and possible government shutdown in april, it wasn't the same type of role. mainly because from the democratic side and the republican side, they were trying to give this committee some autonomy and leeway. now after the failure, in regards to 2012, you make an important point that the republicans are coalescing around a message that mitt romney started this morning in new hampshire, which the president failed to lead in this example. john boehner sent out an internal memo which said the president should have been involved in this. he was never serious about this. it was because of his failure to get involved that this thing ultimately went down. and saying there is too much of the president's ideas put forward

i would like to say this about joe biden. in a world where politicians danced around the issues and avoid confrontation or even eye contact, this man does not back away. teresa senate, tracy candidate, he lets you know where he stands and he tells you why he will not shy away from arguments they need past have your a game if you're going to engage with them. he's been a tireless ally confidant in world way troubleshooter for president obama and it's done so in a period in our history that has brought with it unprecedented challenge. he joins on this event and we are grateful for his service to the nation and i am honored to introduce you to vice president of the united states, the honorable joseph eyton. [applause] >> folks, how are you? thank you. thank you very much. please, thank you. you're very kind and joe is very kind in his introduction. when we were backstage -- by the way, i understand my friend rick santorum is here at last year. if he is here, good luck buddy, hope you did better than i did. rick and i worked tog

this is embarrassing of a tape of biden up and down.a genius at this. he had come from goldman sachs and he was going to perform the same magic, make them mini gold match satchs and this -- goldman sachs. this is what happened. >> but there is still not attention from this company. >> one thing about koch pie wall street. i don't know if there is too much attention to m.f. global. maybe not. there will be very little difference. >> this is in the context of italy and euro zone. the company in greece and how it goes forward. they put a bet on the country, steve. bet wrong. >> yeah. bet wrong. in a significant way. one of the reasons that he was not able, he didn't do this at goldman sachs he wasn't making the decisions alone. >> look, i it don't make too much about joe biden of all people saying nice things about politician. or former politician. at a campaign stop. that to me is less than the big issue here. the bigger issue here, as the doug mckelway piece demonstrated earlier is there was $600 million missing. unaccounted for, for fiv

there's a lot to tell you about today including joe biden in iraq marking the end of the combat mission there. plus, the laser focus of newsman brian williams. >> we have an announcement going on here in the studio. tom costello, we should advise our viewers there is no danger to us. we would love to make this stop. >> brian delivers the knightly news almost in its entirety as a fire alarm and announcement go off in this very building. we'll show you more of it later. first, let's get to the news live at 5:30 a.m. here at 30 rock in new york city. new evictions in two cities as police clear out occupy wall street protesters in los angeles and philadelphia. more than 1,000 police officers descended on the area around l.a.'s city hall where demonstrators have been camped out for two months now. campers tried to hold their ground uching trash cans to barricade intrances. the demonstrators even climbed trees to avoid police. similar employee tests in philly this morning where police began pulling down tents at 1:00 in the morning. the police commissioner says he ordered the overnight raid i

biden.though is downplaying this, saying this was a chaotic event with a lot of noise. not clear what the boos were. >> the first lady and dr. biden were at the race to honor military families. a report from associated press says they received a standing ovation at the pre-race drivers meeting. >> if they booed the first lady and dr. biden, i think that's outrageous. >> unforgivable. >> we have seen other incidents of disrespect. remember "you lie" in the speech? we've seen this before. >>> now a look at your weather on this monday morning. severe storms from abilene, dallas, oklahoma city, little rock. thunderstorms from tennessee to ohio. showers in the northeast. rain from seattle to portland. up to a foot of snow in the cascade. northern rockies. rain, mountain snow in the four corners of the southwest. >> 67, phoenix. 57, albuquerque. 45, salt lake city. 40s in kansas city and chicago. 63 in dallas. 48 in boston. and a rainy 53 here in new york. >> i'll take 53 in a little november. i'l

joe biden gets a little more cash from you. that's next in the grapevine. herman cain loses the mustache vote? >> bret: now fresh picks from the political grapevine. at a time when international markets are watching europe extremely closely, the rating agency standard & poor's mistakenly announced that it had downgraded france's top triple-a credit rating. the embarrassing blooper has the french government and the european commission demanding a full investigation. joe biden has been vocal about cutting waste but not the $26,000 he stands to collect from the secret service over the next year in respect. we told you over the summer the vice president rents a cottage to the agency on his lake front property in delaware. they both say it helps them better protect the vice president. wim"washington report times" rea new agreement. we have found no other similar agreement between the agency and people it protects. while herman cain may not be losing significant ground in polls after recent allegation of inappropriate behavior toward women, politico reports he is

jill biden were at the race. here is how they were greeted. the white house is downplaying the reports that there were lots of boos. they say there was a chaotic crowd. mrs.obama and mrs. biden were there to honor troops. >>> the season of car shows is beginning now and one of the first stops, l.a. we have a report on what is hot and new. >> reporter: practicality and performance are get ago long just fine at the 2011 los angeles auto show where a mix of cars is on hand that will suit just about any taste. chevrolet proved that opposites can attract debecausing the spark microcar next to a cammor owe zl 1 convertible. why would ford unleashed its latest shelby gt 500. plus an all new escape crossover packed with high-tech features. >> when you look at our vehicle from a design standpoint, i think this stands out on the road. en when you look at the technology we have, it will appeal to consumers. >> it will be facing serious competition next year as honda unveils an updated version of the crv and mazda took the wrap of its all new cx 5. >> hig

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joe biden has been a champion for veterans for decades now.t is his birthday, so we speak in terms of decades. it's actually -- actually yesterday was his birthday. i won't say the number. you can ask joe if you want. but for a man who cares as deeply about our troops as joe does, this bill, i imagine, is a pretty good birthday gift. the secretary is here. where is rick? there he is. rick's been doing an outstanding job leading our department of veterans affairs, and i'm also proud to say we're joined by some of the nation's leading veteran service organizations and members of congress who helped make this bill possible. i have often said the most humbling part of my job is serving as commander in chief to the world's finest military. not a day goes by when i'm not awed by our troops, by the strength of their character, and bit the dep by the depth of their commitment and the incredible sacrifices that they and their families make on behalf of our nation's freedom and security. the men and women of our military don't just fight for each other.

it's not about barack obama or joe biden. middle class people will be put back in the saddle again because they're the ones that make this country move. >> brian: okay. so much for forget about the violent rhetoric. firefighters were pleased sb-5 was defeated. you are a communications expert. should you say or review his copy. fired the first shot? >> dana: i'll have a different take on this. if it had not come after people like sarah palin who were ridiculous -- remember, she said i will not -- they went nuts. how violent and terrible. if you make that complaint, you can't do it yourself. it's hypocritical. i'm not for taking away metaphors. >> eric: listen, this is a big f'ing deal. >> brian: remember that? >> eric: you didn't think i'd say it, did you? i like joe. he says his mind. he doesn't think before he speaks. i like what he does. i like the guy. >> kimberly: relatable. >> brian: bob, bring it inside the campaign. everything is valuable, be tough and blue collar language. should he be cog any sent of firing the first

. >>> vice-president joseph biden says his trip to baghdad, ahead of the u.s. military pull out marks the beginning of the relationship between the u.s. and iraq. vice-president joseph biden is there to lay the groundwork with iraqi leaders for future cooperation and partnership following the withdrawal of the remaining u.s. troops in iraq by the end of the year. britain is withdrawing some diplomatic staff after the embassy was stormed yesterday. mobs ransacked the offices and the protest was in response to tighter sanctions against iran over its nuclear program. >>> there are now reports herman cane will decide within a few days whether to continue with his presidential campaign. in his speech he did not address allegations that he and the woman had an extra marital affair but he told his staff he is reassessing his campaign. >> what is interesting is picking up the romney votes is newt gingrich, he had several affairs while married to another woman. >> the allegations against cane had a problem with him and shows mitt romney with 26% followed by newt gingric

jill biden were expecting.ake a look. >> and now, please welcome our grand marshals, sergeant andrew berry and family, first lady the united states michelle obama and dr. jill biden as they deliver the most famous words in motorsports. >> gentlemen, start your engines! >> michelle obama and jill biden greeted way chorus of boos by nascar fans at the ford 400 yesterday, the grand marshals of the season's last race. the two were also there to honor u.s. troops and their families and bring awareness to the first lady's joining forces program, an initiative to hire and train veterans. >>> actress meila kunis accompanied a soldier, accepting an invitation. >> and justin timberlake did that, too. making another wish come true. >> mila looked beautiful and her date, i must say, handsome, too. >> yes. and let's go to bonnie schneider with the weather. >> looking at southern california, a place that doesn't usually get a lot of rain. over the weekend records shattered in santa barbara and in los angeles. look at this vi