bill barr is a loser. judge cut joe judge chutkan's bag gag order, buyers trump from attacking witnesses in the case, in which loan trump is accused leading up to jerry, six attorney barr is going to be a witness against him in that case. and then donald trump posted, through the night, last night, at 105 a.m., radical left judge taking away my right to free speech. judge chutkan's gag order does not buyer donald trump from attacking the judge. seven minutes later, at 1:12 a.m., judge trump posted, remember crooked joe biden and his radical left thugs waited three years to bring these indictments. judge chutkan's gag order does barr donald trump from attacking the prosecutors in this case who, in this post, donald trump was calling radical left thugs. at 4:24 a.m. donald trump repose to that same radical

he will -- there wouldn't be a john kelly or a bill barr. there couldn't be guardrails. people were very critical of john kelly and bill barr, but at end of the day, they had some idea of what guardrails should exist. and like a doug mcgregor, who was a pentagon official in the trump administration, was criticized for anti-semitic tropes. he's out there on x today saying that israel support is only because of money. the same stuff that ilhan omar got criticized for. but nobody will criticize him for it. he could be like a secretary of defense because he's so loyal. >> this is one of the areas where i think ron desantis is right. he just doesn't press the case very much. which is that it is not the same donald trump any more. he's now become as weird as it is so say, far more of a caricature than he was in 2016 and surrounded himself -- it is important to point out, one of the bulwarks against a lot of this is federal society trump appointed judges who want no part of it which is why the lawyers around trump want to reject federalist society people and they it is an insur

abbe lowell, who filed the motion, used part of former bill barr's book to explain where he believes subpoenaed. the book recalls an instance in mid october 2020, mr. trump called mr. barr and ended with mr. barr yelling damn it, mr. president, i am not going t talk to you about hunter biden period, end wrote. lowell says it's more of a mere appearance that president trump improperly pressured doj to pursue an investigation and prosecution of mr. biden to advance president trump's partisan ambitions. the department of justice under bill barr created a back channel through a u.s. attorney in pittsburgh scott brady to take in information relating to allegations about hunter biden and overseas business dealings. when reached by fox news today, bill barr said he had no comment on the subpoena request but abbe lowell is saying this violates hunter biden's fifth amendment rights. and hunter biden is moving forward with a federal trial on gun charges. could also be charged on tax crimes. >> john: make sure i have this straight. so abbe lowell is pushing trump was pushing investigation, even

hunter's attorney that filed this motion today used in part former attorney general bill barr's bookain why he believes donald trump should be subpoenaed. the book recalls a conversation in 2020 where trump called barr about asked about the hunter probe. barr told the president, dammit, mr. president, i'm not growing to talk to you about hunter biden, period. now, abbe lowell says this gives more than a mere appearance that president trump improperly pressured doj to pursue an investigation and prosecution of mr. biden to advance president trump's partisan ambitions. martha? >> martha: interesting. thanks very much. outkick founder, clay travis is here with us. thanks for continuing by today. what is your reaction to this? >> i mean, i appreciate the chutzpah, right? hunter biden doesn't pay taxes, millions of dollars for years. doesn't get charged with any wrongdoing so far by the irs. i don't know about you, but i bet a lot of people out there, if -- including me, if we had millions in unpaid taxes, i don't think that we'd be able to shift the blame and say oh, people are being unf

his attorney general bill barr come out and not have today's bounce. go up. there is no better example of trump's during grip on this party to the behavior of newly elected speaker mike johnson. a man who has already seen the legislative reality that nothing can get done in the house with senate democratic votes. but speaker johnson is not likely to stay speaker johnson without the support of maga republicans, and so mr. johnson 's double down on his allegiance to trump by visiting trump at mar-a-lago last night. there is the photo. so yes, alarm bells are being sounded, but apparently no one in the parties listening. joining us now is michelle goldberg, opinion columnist for the new york times, and ben smith, editor in chief of semafor, and recent author of traffic, genius, rivalry, and delusion in the billion dollar race to go viral. >> you are there. >> i'm gonna move units, for both of you. new york times copies and books. let me ask you, ban. i feel like i know where michelle sits on, this because after during the break, but mike johnson going to

attorney david weiss in delaware and attorney general bill barr.sion of bill barr, who never had the courage to do what everyone knows should have been done. he gave out a traffic ticket, instead of a death sentence, end quote. hunter's attorney abbe lowell writes this call for mr. biden to receive a death sentence and other incendiary comments are just a few examples as mr. trump made other similar statements at his rallies, on tv, and in his post presidency. according to notes taken by richard donoghue, trump instructed both himself and roseanne to, quote: figure out what to do with hunter biden. donahue also claims that trump said, quote: people will criticize the doj if he is not investigated for real. fox news reached out to donald trump's team. no response from the former president. former attorney general bill barr said he had no comment on the subpoena request. shannon special counsel david weiss indicated he plans to charge hunter biden likely on tax crimes in either california where he currently lives or washington, d.c. where he used to

i mentioned bill barr, among others. i take the point about who is the person we're dealing with and what is the likely impact in a trial court and appeals court overseeing the fairness of a trial has to care about that. here's one instance that came up today as judges were challenging jack smith's team on how far the limits would go, which is what you were mentioning, and bill barr's name came up. >> bill barr goes on "60 minutes" and gives an interview and questions mr. trump's fitness for office. mr. trump can't go online and say, everything he just said is false? >> if it's a direct attack on credibility or inflammatory comments result in harassment, that's one thing. >> manny? >> you know, these are intelligence people arguing it, but i'm just telling you, down in the trenches when you're actually doing the trial work, i have had very little success going to a judge and arguing first amendment issues on a bond where someone says i can't believe a mom of four would testify against me, something that general. people g

you had his attorney general bill barr come out and not half a day's bounts. if anything his numbers went up. i think we're in a dangerous zone in our country." others who spoke out against trump to "the post" including former attorney general bill barr, former white house counsel ty cobb, former national security advisor john bolten, former trump pence advisor mark shwart. >>> biden who has been using humor more and more to address questions about his age joked about his birthday at a white house event yesterday. >> i just want you to know it's difficult turning 60, difficult. this is the 76th anniversary of this event, and i want you to know i wasn't there because i was too young to make it up. >> biden also posted this picture on instagram yesterday with the caption reading, quote, thanks for the birthday well wishes today, everybody. turns out on your 146th birthday you run out of space for candles. and i will say for those of you listening on the radio the candles looks like it's on fire or the cakes looks like it's on fire. stressing that his experience,

you know that he's talked about going after former colleagues like bill barr. sit here, you tell me you still feel donald trump is the right man to lead america? i think donald trump will be able to do things in his second term that he was not able to do in his first term. had he had a different attorney general, had he had a different fbi director, we would not be sitting here today talking about a re—election of donald trump because he would have already been re—elected. the mistakes that he made in his first term, he will not make again. and that's why the democrats and some of the media are scared to death that donald trump is going to get a second term and he is going to clean house in america, that he is going to change the way that washington operates, i think with the help of most of us in the republican conference. look, there are things that i don't personally like about donald trump, his hyperbolic use of terms, but, look, i'm not donald trump. he has made his success in business and in life and in politics and i'm not here tojudge him. i'm here to,

remember donald trump escaped indictment before when he was president because he said, bill barr, his attorney general said a sitting president cannot be indicted. then he leaves office not necessarily voluntarily, but he allegedly leaves, and now his argument is a guy who's running for president can't be indicted. and if he wins he's going to say a sitting president can't be indicted. there's no more fundamental principle in our law, go back to what our founders thought, no person is above the law. that is why we fought the revolution against king george 3 and donald trump is trying to reenact it. it is baffling to me why georgia is going to trial in august 2024 on the fulton county case. i don't understand that. samuel was indicted three months ago and already convicted. i had the privilege of doing the george floyd prosecution against derek chauvin. that murder happened three years ago. we already had the trial, had the appeal, and had the united states supreme court yesterday reject derek chauvin's appeal. why trump gets these massive delays both in the fulton county cases as well

bill barr believes he is controversy.residential election for now. in a new filing, she said the may 20th, 2024 dat she set back in july would stay, again, for now. our colleague, lisa ruben, describes the order as one that, quote, cemented her role as the lucy with the football with the federal judiciary, because she didn't push the date back, she left open the chance of doing so when the sides meet on march isst. she did push back several pretrial deadlines and acknowledged the unprecedented volume of discovery in this case that is complicated by its classified nature. meanwhile, reporting from cnn sheds light on potential witnesses the prosecution may call that reporting says, in addition to those closest to trump, valuable witnesses may include low-leveltaffers at mar-a-lago, including a plumber, a maid, a chauffeur, and a woodworker. from cnn's reporting, "other likely witnesses also include trump's secret service agents, former intelligence officials, as well as people who were in theoom with trump when he was captu

again, go back to bill barr's analogy about the clown car. there are capable lawyers that had been with the president throughout his time. his campaign lawyers, even on the political side, yet he listens to or adopts the flawed reasoning of people like the clown car. sydney paul, jenna ellis, who is not far out of law school had no experience. these are the people on which he's going to claim to rely when the pros in the room are continually telling him in the presence of the clown car all significant evidence of his understanding and his intent. >> in the presence of the clown car, you said what? let me play some of the testimony. we have that on tape. >> were you ever around when someone, anyone told donald trump that he lost the election? >> oh, yeah. >> who? >> pat cipollone, derek lions, all thought he had lost. >> what was president trump's reaction when the advisers would say he lost? >> it was like they would say that and walk out. this is what i deal with all the time. >>. >> even if her she seems to be trying to flip, she's pruing t

he was upset with the likes of jeff sessions and bill barr at the end of the term, and he would put in office an attorney general who would all but do his bidding and allow political influence to rain over through his white house. i want to let you hear to somebody i talked to at his rally wednesday night. when you talk to supporters at each of his events, you consistently hear a defense of donald trump in what would amount to greater authority and executive power and use of it to go after folks who they believe took away the white house from him for a second term. take a listen to one man who i talked to. >> reporter: when you say go after them, what do you mean? >> arrest them. imprison them for violating our constitution. >> reporter: how do you do that? >> police are probably with us. >> reporter: you mean, the police will be on the side of -- >> the patriots. they sure will. they haven't been corrupted yet, as far as i know. >> reporter: that's an actual civil war you're talking about. >> oh, yeah. >> reporter: you believe the election was stolen in 2020. >> absolutely. it's right

we know that now that bill barr has said he's toast, bill barr is going to be one of the people he will go after. we need to protect justice. we need to keep the department of justice separate from the white house. it cannot be allowed to mix in specific decisions. >> he's also said that mark milley should be put to death. i think there's a thing, michael, where people don't take donald trump seriously because he doesn't always seem fully corpas mentis but he's very clear about retribution. he has a political party that's willing to go along with t even people who used to be considered normie republicans. witness elise stefanik, harvard girl, used to see like a weirdly conservative moderate republican. but here she is now accusing judge arthur engoron of weaponized law fair against trump. she's called on the judge to recuse himself. she's now filed an ethics complaint against him. republicans are enabling this by essentially using the power of the federal government against federal judges. your thoughts, michael. >> well, elise stefanik is just flat out wrong here. i mean, she has no gr

at the very end of his administration he was upset with bill barr because bill barr did not move to arrest>> the word for it is authoritarianism. there is another plan. there are thousands of civil servants. there is a plan to get -- gut many of those. that would decimate our civil service. and lead to the complete politicization of the justice department. so that is not just idle truck -- talk. that is truly scary. >> thanks as always. ♪ >> he is the founder and president of rebuild local news. a nonpartisan nonprofit working to counter the collapse of local news. he is also the cofounder of report for america. it places journalists and newsrooms across the country. he shares his take on how to rebuild local news. >> local news is in collapse. when you don't have local news, your lower voter turnout. more polarization. more misinformation. it is a terrible thing for communities to not have local news. ♪ on the community level, local news organizations are often unifying figures. they have obituaries of interesting people who played an important role in the community. a review of the commu

accuses donald trump of being a liar, can donald trump call bill barr a liar? i think that prompted perhaps the only chuckle in the courtroom when the attorney for jack smith said perhaps he could say he is an untruthful person but not a liar. i'm not quite sure what the distinction is, you're exactly right. they had posts about public figures, isn't it only fair like public figures, bill barr, millie and others will make accusations against donald trump setting aside who is telling the truth and who is not, should it donald trump respond? i think they were trying to distinguish public figures from the witnesses in the case in the court staff who the judges said does he really have a right to start naming or as he did in new york, post a picture of a court clerk so it does seem like they will have to engage in some line drawing and give some direction back to the trial court judge about the constitutional do's and don'ts of a permissible gag order. >> let's talk about political speech, a gag order can serve as a prophylactic to prevent threats. what does it say

for example, bill barr talked about in his book how trump called him and asked about the status of that investigation. and barr refused engage. but that is the kind of thing that they're looking for here. now, i will note that when hunter biden's plea deal fell apart this year and he was subsequently charged, it was a trump appointed u.s. attorney handling the case. but none of these other officials were in office. but this is also part of the more forward leaning strategy that hunder and his attorneys have been taking. this is more aggressing, their purging back at people that they perceive has targeted hunter. >> i wan to turn to the civil law case in new york. they filed for a mistrial alleging that the judge who will decide the case is bias against him. is this like a legal hail mary, we're going to lose this case so might as well try to get a police trial. >> jake, i avoid the sports analyst but yes indeed, this is a hail mary. but they're not necessarily focused on winning in court. part of this is about the court of public opinion. because there are arguing once again that the ju

constitution and fifth amendment, that would be huge and the spectacle of bringing donald trump and bill barrtunt. because of the fact he admitted in his book he possessed this gun illegally, it will be hard to make that showing that a judge is going to bring folks to court. the interesting thing, once the shoe is on the other foot, if donald trump can bring merrick garland and folks in on his case based on the same theory, it will be interesting. most likely judges will clamp down on that and make the witness list more exclusive to facts of the case. >> carley: so much going on when it comes to hunter biden, gun charge, tax issues, the investigation into biden and the biden family business. which are you focusing on most and if you are hunter biden which should be most worry some to him? >> he has to focus on what is in front of him, the gun charges. you have to look that the most serious charge is tax chargeings from 2016 and 2017 have expired and not able to be brought because of statute of limitations. for me, his argument this was politically orchestrated, falls flat because he's taken t

who i wrote a negative book about, but bill barr had a line he would not cross. g barr ignored those. he wasn't going to go out and indict barack obama or andy mccabe. what donald trump is telling us, i'm going to pick different types of people the next time around, people who don't even have that line, and that to me is really really dangerous. >> to be clear, there's no check on that. there's no body that is a check on that. >> people can defend themselves and certainly try and either counter sue or -- >> i'm saying the official act. >> that's right. and that's why we have to be careful about who and how we pick our presidents. this is real serious stuff, and you have to take him at his word. this whole idea that weaponization, you know, they're weaponizing the justice department by looking into what i did at mar-a-lago. a lot of that is going to fall apart when these witnesses come forward. they're not weapons. they're just people who sort of, you know, work at mar-a-lago. the rest of us have to take seriously the idea that donald trump has announced that he's

now they point to an excerpt, for example in, former attorney general's bill barr's book where he talks about getting a call from then president trump inquiring about the vision, and they want to gather more evidence that they believe will support this claim that they have made, that the only reason hunter biden was investigated was because there was political pressure, that it was something trump and his allies wanted to have happen. now we'll note when hunter biden's plea deal fell apart and when he was ultimately charged earlier this year, well, it was a trump-appointed u.s. attorney overseeing that case. none of these people were still in office. >> what do you think? >> you know, the idea of having a subpoena for a former president, think of how crazy of a time that we're actually in. remember, both of these different people, hunter biden and trump have pointed to the politics of prosecuting either of them. foundationally there's been more substantive arguments in favor of prosecuting donald trump than hunter biden but crux of the issue is determining who has the best information t

mike pence, bill barr, general milley. if the panel rules against him, do you think he'd be able to help himself here? >> it's hard to imagine it. i mean, i thought it was very interesting in the proceedings when the judges, in questioning the prosecution, questioning defense counsel, used the example of mike pence. what if trump issued a warning to mike pence before he testified in this case if he were to testify in an open trial. and said, mike pence has a chance, once again, to do the right thing. i mean, we saw what happened on january 6th, when trump put so much pressure on pence that it literally unleashed a mob seeking his execution. and trump, just a couple of months after that, told me that the mob was chanting, hang mike pence, because they were angry. and he had absolutely no criticism whatsoever of the people calling for the execution of his vice president. so, no, i have a hard time imagining that even with a gag order that trump won't test the limits of of that gag order. >> you mentioned, you know, the last

of course he was gone shortly before january, sixth but bill barr at the justice department, and jeffrey who replaced him. the thing is, i believe based on the reporting in this, book it a second trump term begins with all of those people who would have kept him in check, who did keep him at least partially in check in those final days, of his presidency, would be gone. they would not be there. they're going to hire for loyalty. one of johnny mcatee's top aides back then has put it more recently, loyalty is more important than policy. you can teach policy, but you cannot teach loyalty. they are going to make sure that this is not a team of rivals, not a team of people supporting the constitution first and foremost, but a team of people supporting at all costs donald trump. >> it also speaks to how he viewed people who supported biden. you write that he hung up on kin kardashian, at one point because he assumed that she had voted for joe biden. >> he does not want to deal with any disloyalty whatsoever. he saw that as a betrayal. by the way, he had no idea who kim kardashian actually vote

you saw his post yesterday about bill barr. and the stuff that he says about bill barr. know, no one defended him regarding the russia staff. more than bill barr. and put his neck on the line for him on that. and now he calls him every may in the book. because that's who he is, and what doesn't, who wants to work for that? unless you yourself heard nuts too. >> coming up, u.s. ambassador to ukraine, brigitte brink, joins us to talk about the importance of america continuing to support ukraine! t ukraine! we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. keytruda is used to treat more patients with advanced lung cancer than any other immunotherapy. keytruda may be used with certain chemotherapies as your first treatment if you have advanced nonsquamous, non-small cell l

bill barr is lazy and moronic. general milley should be executed for treason.i mean, get ready what he's going to say about mark meadows who used to call james baker. he ain't going to be called jim baker for long now that he knows he will testify against him. new hampshire has the chance to decide that the republican party will have a person of character again who will tell the truth as our nominee and if we do, we will beat joe biden in a walk. if we nominate someone who is just as challenged or more challenged from a character perspective than he is, we will lose. and then the country will lose because of it, so i can make this convenient for you tonight. good luck in your soccer game tomorrow. thank all of you for coming. appreciate it. happy birthday. appreciate it very much. [inaudible conversations] >> thanks for coming, appreciate it. thanks for coming tonight. i appreciate that. thank you for taking your time for coming today. quinn, good luck. >> thank you. >> what position do you play? all right, well. defensive special. playoff games. play good defe

think about, it you had folks like bill barr who were keeping him on the rails, stopping him from doing stuff like this at the justice department. nobody is good and decent as honest as bill barr is going to agree to be donald trump's attorney general if he ever became president again. that is another thing for yourself to think about. the fact is, 40 of his 44 cabinet level official's house and not only were they not work for him, again they would not support him to be president at all again. this is incredibly damning for people who worked with him every day as president, anderson. >> country that can stop, him when we have to stop him is right now. we can't let him get the nomination, or get in front of these folks, and you mentioned him not being on the debate stage last night. it is the third time in a row. it is disgraceful. i think he doesn't want to be, there anderson, because he -- knows i have been holding him to account since the money i got in this race. and a buddy out there who wants them to get onstage, go to chris christie.com, donie in dollar, keep me on that debate sta

she answered, i believe i, credit bill barr. in other words, read between the lines.s a liar. that sounds like a signal that ivanka was sending to her father, and by extension out, would be to her brothers. do not pull me into this, because i will not comply with your life. yes, i'm looking forward to what ivanka has to say. >> it's going to be good. glenn mayer, sticking around to continue this conversation after a quick break. don't go anywhere. much more of this special, extended addition, of the saturday show to come. stay with us. stay with us right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. detect this: living with hiv, i learned that i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with

david weiss was talking to bill barr, not merrick garland.ings that are very disturbing to a lot of people who look at this story and david weiss says that he had nothing to do with it. that wasn't what he said. he never said he wasn't in charge. it's his word against the i.r.s. agents really. >> dana: want to ask you about another topic. last week you were here filling in for bill and talked about how you had seen the video the i.d.f. had put together that hamas had filmed on their gopros. gal, gadot is an actress. i stand with israel, you should, too. the world cannot sit on the fence when horrific acts of terror are happening. she is planning to show this video for people in hollywood. she is getting a lot of threats and cancellation threats. she is in a position of power to be able to say no, i want to show this. >> it makes me go back to the contention that when you see people ripping down the hostage pictures, images of children and families and cousins and people who care deeply about each other who are missing. ripping them down peopl

you had good folks like bill barr who were keeping him on the rails and stopping him from doing stuff like this at the justice department. nobody as good and decent and honest as bill barr is going to agree to be donald trump's attorney general if he ever became president again. that's another thing voters have to think about. the fact is that 40 of his 44 cabinet level officials have said not only wouldn't they work for him again, they wouldn't support him to be president at all again. this is incredibly damning from people who worked with him every day as president, anderson. >> yeah. >> and so the end of the day, you will see him try to do things like that. it's only going to be the country that can stop him. when we have to stop him is right now. we can't let him get the nomination or get in front of these folks. you mentioned him not being on the debate stage last night. it's the third time in a row. it's disgraceful. i think he doesn't want to be there because he knows i'm going to be there because i've been holding him to account since the minute i got into the race. anybody ou

including, but not limited to, is former chief of staff john kelly, and former attorney general bill barr, as well as his ex attorney ty cobb, and former joint chiefs of the half, mark milley. this is less mob boss behavior than out an oat cult leader dictator behavior, which is fitting when you remember that trump literally launched his 2024 bid in waco, texas. yeah. that waco. where precisely 30 years prior to his campaign event, fbi agents and texas law enforcement laid siege to an armed religious cult known as the branch davidians. it was led by a -- far-right icon david koresh. and reminiscent of carafes, donald trump -- made it clear that all of his followers should be part of this retribution campaign when he said, quote, they're not coming after me, they're coming after you. we cannot dismiss trump's threats and desires as just words or rhetoric, because he's actually followed through before, targeting former fbi officials peter strzok, lisa cage, all four, in his eyes, working against him to undermine his presidency. if he ruined the professional lives of a handful of federal emp

but bill barr, mike esper, all these people weren't quite willing to go the last mile., no bill barr. >> the final piece i want to ask you, how much of this is about trends in democracy? you mentioned incumbents, this and that, and how much after it is about hate? authoritarianism has always been linked with hate. a lot of islamophobia now, especially an immigration issue. in america we have a domestic racial context. hate against black and brown people, then the replacement theory. you take france, where they have had the le pen and that party, that's gotten more mainstream support than people would like to believe. so i'll give you a quick authoritarian joke, and then let you answer. you ready? we can't be all serious all the time. le pen was -- you know the kwo tidd yen, right? what's wrong with le pen quotidien. >> yeah, no, tell me. >> the croissants are anti-semitic. >> it's better in french. i won't make you say it in french. >> in the great tradition of laughing through our sorrow, i lighten it by asking you how much of it here or abroad is about hate? >> a lot

because bill barr did not do enough to go after their political opponents. that he would pick an attorney general who would go and seek indictments of his political enemies. he just said it there on camera, and he had said previously just last month that he would, in fact, place a phone call to his attorney general to go and do just that. of course there are some protections here through our american system in which a jury ultimately would have to determine one's guilt, at the same time, you have an individual who would use his executive power and use the attorney general, which historically has been separate from the president's, and you'll recall during the obama administration appear meeting on an airport tarmac became the chaos in the center of quite the assertions that there was some -- some teaming up to go and target other political enemies. this time you have literally the front runner for the republican nomination saying he would do just that. >> real quick want to pivot to a new development in a different case, the classified documents case. we wer

is bill barr really going to change his testimony? is mark milley going to change is testimony?k at it from that narrow perspective in terms of the effect on the trial, the answer is probably no, there is probably not a likelihood that you could say that mike pence or any of those people is going to pull their punches. but i agree with you, and as somebody who has prepared witnesses, you are going to have lay witnesses who are, you know, unknown people looking at this going i don't want that to happen to me. i do not want to be subject to that, i do not want to testify, i don't want to say anything that's gonna be helpful to the government so i can sort of avoid what i'm seeing happening to other people. plus, you don't really know in advance are you going to be considered a public person or not? so that test i think would be very problematic if the court goes down that road. it'll be interesting to see whether they use it, and how they deal with the problem that you are saying, which is that may not balance it sufficiently in terms of the trial process. >> so let's take one exa

will allow trump because, you know, the decision-makers were actually in doj, and that would be bill barrevant to their defense that he's only being prosecuted because he's hunter biden, the son of joe biden. >> i guess the ball is now in the judge's court literally. thank you, both, very much. vaughn hillyard, catherine christian. good to see you guys. >>> next on "ana cabrera reports," a near brawl at a senate hearing and calling a fellow lawmaker a smurf. why tensions are so high right now on capitol hill. >>> plus, the house just passed speaker johnson's bill to avert a government shutdown, but can it pass the senate? s the senate [deep exhale] [trumpet music plays] 579 breaths to show 'em your stuff. every breath matters. don't like rsv take your breath away. protect yourself from rsv... ...with abrysvo, pfizer's rsv vaccine. abrysvo is a vaccine for the prevention of lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious if you are 60 or older. having asthma, copd, diabetes, or heart disease puts you at even higher risk. abrysvo is not for everyone and m

he is telling us he will go after john kelly and bill barr.that your periodic remind they're hillary clinton was right about everything -- i'm sorry, i almost swore. >> you can actually do that here. i think bill barr broke the seal on that. she was. she was right about everything. >> yeah. and we need to be paying attention to what she is saying and echoing it at every opportunity. the reason -- there are many reasons that people stick with him, and that sort of an irony, especially given what's going on in new york and what matters to donald. one of the reasons his base is so attached to him is because he is a loser. he is a loser that makes them feel better about themselves because he is a loser who has failed up, and maybe they can too, if they have something like him on their side. they also love the fact that this entitled extraordinarily privileged white man from new york gets away with everything, which he has done. yes, there have been some judgments against him. yes, there have been some monetary penalties assigned to him, but he's r

bill barr recently described him as limited. he has accused jim comey and andrew mccabe, pete struck and others of treason. what does it mean if a president who runs on retribution -- and i just named a few of the people he'd like to retaliate against -- has lawyers that make that u.s. government policy? >> well, just to make this worse, i think it's important to take this reporting and put it side by side with the reporting that the former president if re-elected wants to get rid of civil service. so there will be no sort of career people to stand in his way. but the idea that people like jeff sessions and bill barr were not sort of malleable enough for donald trump is one that is -- i find somewhat shocking. but i think if you put this in perspective in terms of history, lawyers being complicit with authoritarian regimes are very necessary. it is what gives the veneer of legitimacy to a host of horrific authoritarians that we can look to around the world, and i think that we would then look to here in the united states to make

asked about trump's interestn prosecuting him, bill barr deadpanned, quote, i'm quivering in my bootslist. and ty cobb, who accused tmp of stifling truth, making threats and bullying weaklings into doing his bidding. general milley did not comment. you've covered all of these individuals. you've covered all of their chapters in the trump story. your thoughts. >> well, i mean, one of the things that john kelly is guilty in donald trump's book of is speaking out and saying that trump had tried to use the irs and the fbi against his enemies. i think that if you talk to the pete strzoks of the world and lisa pages of the world and jim comey and folks like that and maybe even hillary clinton, the justice department in their eyes did a lot of the things that donald trump wanted done on them during his time in office. and while it was stuff that trump said publicly and stuff this trump said privately we never found a direct order of it happening. we know that at one point trump said to don mcgahn he wanted to order him, he wanted to order the justice department to prosecute hillary and comey

i'm thankful we had people in positions of power like bill barr. or general kelly, or even mike pence, because he did not go along? >> will others come, now? >> there will be some good people. i don't know if that will be the case. it will be mainly yes men that will carry out trump's marching orders. >> this is a part of the plan. if you are a supporter of trump. and if your plan is the only way the agenda can be realized, is having like-minded people as close to 100% as possible. europe not going to get pushback from the republicans who want to be close to trump. if the idea is to promise to the base to receive this make america great again idealism, we have to have people that aren't going to check the president, when his worst instincts take control. >>> paul pelosi on the porstands the illustration when political, violent rhetoric, manifests and focuses on a target. h this is the husband of someone in government. >>> if you were facing serious criminal charges you wouldn't want people to see your trial on television. why he is trying to make h

it's bill barr. it is general milley. the list goes on, and on. at some point, you need to ask yourself, are there enough republicans? clearly from just his own administration, who could come out, could issue the warning? does the warning land differently for them, then it does for other messengers? >> alicia, it is the question that one has to ask. who is this warning for? is it for the trump, the maga base? no it won't have any impact on them. it will land with assad. however, for independent voters, those who might even call frustrated democratic voters. by the time we get to the election in 2024, i think these are the most effective messengers. these are the january 6th hearings. it is the trump appointed, trump selected, handpicked members, and what many others have been saying for years. trump is that existential threat to democracy. he is a fascist, authoritarian, who will govern, like a fascist authoritarian. in essence, and many of the liberties for the last 246 years. i think for those voters, that is what it will be most effective to. s

attorney general bill barr, governor gavin newsom, and a university of michigan professor who is beingerred to as target one to protect her identity. he said all his outside work, when he wasn'tworking as a contractor, he would wake up in the morning until he went to sleep, play video games and listen to political podcasts and videos. he said he is motivated by and committed to the truth, and he said that when he went to nancy pelosi's house, his intention was to give her the opportunity to tell the truth about russia gate and other things that he says she lies about. otherwise, he would have broken her kneecaps. the case has rested for both siding, and the jury has the case. we expect that this federal trial will conclude this week, and then the state trial begins. he faces decades in prison for all of the charging that he is facing, if convicted. pamela? >> veronica, thank you. >>> just ahead, l.a. traffic was bad before this. now a busy stretch of i-10 in los angeles is out of service after a massive fire. up nexext, what auauthorities s doining about itit. >>> commuters in southern

separate herself from her dad, from the family before, most notably when she said she believed to bill barrt are you looking for? >> right, chris. it's interesting that we don't know what the attorney general, what testimony she hopes to elicit from ivanka. ivanka trump wasn't deposed in this case. no one is very clear on what she might say. lawyers do not like to ask questions. laetitia james has been meticulous in her conduct of this case. it seems very likely that there is an important piece of evidence or perhaps more evidence along the lines lisa has been discussing that they believe they can elicit from her testimony. it is worth a risk of whatever unknowns she might come up with. something important to keep in mind is that the judge has already entered judgment in favor of the attorney general on the fraud claims. what form of discouragement will they have to engage in for their ill gotten profits? i think we can expect to see some surprises from ivanka on the witness stand. it's just tough to predict what their nature will be. >> which brings us to the defense case, lisa. donald tru

. >> you have the former attorney general bill barr who said donald trump is not a good president andanger to this country if presented a choice between donald trump and a democrat, he might go back with donald trump again, look, the koch brothers are doing something pretty notable here, they're swallowing some major disagreements with nikki haley on a slew of political issues. she's hawk and they are not. >> and i think it speaks to bigger issue here, people, voters, don't want to have another matchup between biden and trump. people are very disinterested and unmotivated. unmotivated voters is going to benefit donald trump. they're looking to get somebody else in there. >> guys, stay with us. stick around. >>> an extension of that truce between israel hand mass could come at any moment today. new report tong din low mattic mission by the white house to save more hostages. >>> donald trump bringing his legal fight over the 2020 election back to life, what he wants from the justice department, next. >>> happening now, secretary of state blinken speaking in brussels, he's expected to tr

attorney general bill barr. >>> now to weather. southwestern iceland declares a state of emergency as 3,000 residents are evacuated over a potential volcanic eruption. in the meantime, rain continues across much of the southeastern u.s. and gulf coast. here to explain it all, our weatherman derek van dam. good morning. these pictures out of iceland, just wow. >> yeah, didn't know thau could add meteorologist. but i can't help myself. >> good luck making that run. but pictures out of southwest iceland are incredibles but terrifying for the 4,000 or so residents that call this home. this is a ground intrusion and that is caused by a series of earthquakes that scientists believe a dtunnel or corridor o magma is traversing under this town. and there have been thousands, literally thousands of earthquakes since late last week. and that is making this area on high alert. in fact the magma corridor roughly about 500 meters below the surface, that is too close for comfort. what they are worried about is the magma coming through the cracks

you had his chief of staff, you had the attorney general bill barr, and trump has said that he made a mistake in husis first b appointing people the who did not gray with him and allow him to do whatever he wanted. so now if he is elected, perhaps he's going to take a very different route and hire people who won't push back and will engage and allow him to do that. >> that's going to be a huge part of the conversation if he does get the nomination and there's a general election campaign. thank you, everybody. standby. >>> today president biden is traveling to california. we heard that at the top of the hour. he's going fora high-stakes meeting with xi jinping. ahead, we have new reporting for a potential breakthrough between those two leaders on a key issue. stay with us. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? yeah, my 5g home internet delays the game a bit. but you get used to it. try these. they're noise cancelling earmuffs. i stole them from an airport. it's always somet