tell us about this sock drawer case from bill clinton. does it compare to the case president trump faces? guest: there are important similarities and differences. in the case of president clinton, he made these recordings about the time in office and he is talking about the official business he engaged in. he wanted to write a book after the fact. he stored these cassette tapes, these recordings in a sock drawer. the question was, are these tape recordings presidential records are they personal records? the presidential records act, as you pointed out, it is not mentioned in the indictment. everett presents three categories. there are records about the affect -- presidential time in office, personal records, things that are his, and federal agency records, documents federal agencies create. the two candidates, these are for the agency and they go to the national archives. the question is are these documents like the clinton sock drawer case, are they personal records? 's like president clinton -- i president clinton's -- like president cli

after leaving the white house, bill clinton kept 79 audiotapes in his sock drawer. ncluded discussions of u.s. military involvement in haiti, discussions of u.s. foreign policy both defensive and offense of against cuba, recordings of president clinton's conversations with all of the many foreign leaders at the time. think of that. sensitive facts about trade negotiations taken from presidential briefings, discussions with the secretary of state around conflict in bosnia and much much more. very big stuff. not only was bill clinton never even considered for criminal prosecution based on the tapes he took, but when he was sued for them, he won the case. judge amy berman jackson's decision states under the statutory scheme established by the presidential records act the decision to segregate personal materials from residential records is made by the president during the president's term. and in the president's soul discretion -- sole discretion. you are surprised to hear that aren't you? any normal administration would consider that to be the end, but not the corrupt b

for bill clinton in the white house. i covered the clinton white house for a period of years from sort of that phase of the politics of the nineties until really the dobbs decision. democrats have been trying to make an issue out of the supreme court and threat to reproductive the threat to the rights of minorities to vote and a variety of other issues. and they had not been very successful with it. were you surprised because of that track record of three decades of not having a lot of on the democrat side of the equation and making an issue of the court with the traction that those arguments found, just as you were just mentioning over the last year, but especially in the months, followed the the dobbs decision, june. well, i think it's noteworthy and we even saw an earlier case in september of 2021 where the court basically allowed the state of texas to ban there and there was not much of a public response. it turned out that the magic words of saying we are going to overturn roe v wade was what caught people's attentio

for bill clinton in the white house. i covered the clinton white house for a period of years from sort of that phase of the politics of the nineties until really the dobbs decision. democrats have been trying to make an issue out of the supreme court and threat to reproductive the threat to the rights of minorities to vote and a variety of other issues. and they had not been very successful with it. were you surprised because of that track record of three decades of not having a lot of on the democrat side of the equation and making an issue of the court with the traction that those arguments found, just as you were just mentioning over the last year, but especially in the months, followed the the dobbs decision, june. well, i think it's noteworthy and we even saw an earlier case in september of 2021 where the court basically allowed the state of texas to ban there and there was not much of a public response. it turned out that the magic words of saying we are going to overturn roe v wade was what caught people's attentio

for bill clinton in the white house. i covered the clinton white house for a period of years from sort of that phase of the politics of the nineties until really the dobbs decision. democrats have been trying to make an issue out of the supreme court and threat to reproductive the threat to the rights of minorities to vote and a variety of other issues. and they had not been very successful with it. were you surprised because of that track record of three decades of not having a lot of on the democrat side of the equation and making an issue of the court with the traction that those arguments found, just as you were just mentioning over the last year, but especially in the months, followed the the dobbs decision, june. well, i think it's noteworthy and we even saw an earlier case in september of 2021 where the court basically allowed the state of texas to ban there and there was not much of a public response. it turned out that the magic words of saying we are going to overturn roe v wade was what caught people's attentio

same thing with bill clinton. he had all of those tapes as president trump outlined in his speech tonight. was his home rated? no. the department of justice defended bill clinton in front of a federal judge and said he had it right under the presidential records act to have those documents including classified material. trump's defense is going to be they will file several motions, challenging the indictment. they will argue that the governing law is the presidential records act which supplants a general statute such as the espionage act. >> last word, matt whitaker. we only have a second. >> yeah, well this case is obviously a long way from the end. i will just point out what greg said is so important. the case law is very much on president trump's side. >> i appreciate all three of you being with us. matt, greg and alan. here with moderna is joe tacopina own. we are talking a lot about unequal justice and the law and lack of equal justice and equal application. if these cases are not related. they are related in

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but, you know, we're serving as a great example, the case of bill clinton's national security adviser. remember that sandy berger, he was caught stealing documents from the national archives, very big ones, very important ones by stuffing them in his pants. >> that's pretty. and putting them also in his socks. and he destroyed and cut the tape with scissors, cut them up. what berger did was highly illegal, but he was given nothing. >> no jail time, nothing, nothing happened. there are countless other examples. bill clinton, who i happen to like, hard to believe right before i did this, i was actually quite friendly with him. nice guy. they should have used him a little bit more as an adviser in the 2016 election. he said, you know, you better get to wisconsin. you're going to lose. no, we're not. you better get to michigan. >> you're going to lose. no, we're not. they did bill clinton lost the nuclear codes and absolutely nothing was done about him. >> lost the nuclear codes. >> the george w bush white house lost 22 million emails, a record. nara cannot assure a complete transfer of a

when i began my political journey ronald reagan was in the white house and bill clinton was governor of arkansas. arkansas was different than, it was a blue state, i was a red dot i look at my options in the future and i chose to follow the conservative path of ronald reagan that he paved for our country. the path of limited orgovernmen opportunity, individual responsibility and a strong america. that is the republican party, that is the conservative movement that i grew up t with. and it was an honor for me to be able to fight that battle in arkansas. my political journey started as a young united states attorney, the youngest .of the nation at the age of 31, when i was appointed by president reagan, that journey took me into a terrorist camp in northern arkansas where the fbi gave me a bulletproof vest and said he might need this. i was sent out to help negotiate and surrender a standoff with an armed terrorist group. fought the battle, we put them in prison, i tried that case. as chairman of the republican party of arkansas bill clinton was governor and then ran for president i fo

tell us a little bit about this case from bill clinton. in your opinion does it compare to the case president trump now faces? >> there are important similarities and differences in the cases. in the case of president clinton the question was, he made these recordings about his time in office, so he's talking about the official business he engaged in but there was personal recollection. there was memories -- he wanted to write a book or something after the fact him and he stored fees cassette tape recordings in a sock drawer and that's why it's called the clinton socket case. the question is are these tape recordings presidential records or personal records. ntremember the presidential records act, which as you pointed out from the ap article is not mentioned in the indictment. it's represented in three categories, presidential records about the president's official time in office, the oprah show business and the like, personal records that are his own records that are his on his own rights and then federal agency records that they create u

it all started with bill clinton. president clinton taped conversations he had with other foreign leaders for eight years. what did clinton do with these tapes? clinton took them home to chappaqua and stuffed them in a sock drawer. these tapes were about as highly classified as can you get. these conversations president clinton had with heads of state about war, about national security strategy. about nuclear posture. did bill clinton declassify these before he took them home toe chappaqua? no. he took them home and he stuffed them in the sock drawer. judicial watch sued for access to these presidential records then a judge, appointed by barack obama, ruled that these are bill clinton's personal tapes and nobody can have them. not judicial watch, not the national archives. no one. quote: the decision to segregate personal materials from presidential records, is made by the president during the president's term and in his sole discretion. since the president is completely entrusted with the management and even the disp

i don't like using the word leaders anymore since bill clinton. hunter needs to be on use -- news talking about the investigation. biden needs to be headlined on the news reneging the public. the grandchild, if you can have -- hide your family behind the world, can you handle the whole country? obama and his thing, already was trying to close the veterans hospital in bc, that is the joke. wife and his, bill clinton and his wife, she needs to be in jail. january the sixth, i had a nice time there. some people you can't control. they made an issue out of that meeting. the democrats bringing the national guard with requests. you have a president but the sports, i don't even go to basketball, baseball and football. host: lots of topics. let's go to billy, in texas, democratic caller. caller: good morning. , to say good morning to america, this is a great nation and i am a black man. we have played an important part to the development of america because god sent us here to develop this place. if our country was controlled by evil people, we would not b

the 1990s, another spectacle of the nineties clearly was that of the impeachment and trial of bill clinton in 1998 and 1999. clinton was the first us president elected president ever to be impeached and put on trial. he was acquitted at trial before the us senate, but the spectacle was unprecedented. he faced charges of struction of justice, a perjury stemming from his intermittent affair. with a former intern 27 years his junior. he was acquitted, as i say, but the former intern, monica lewins, s shamed and shunned and only in recent years h reemerged from her, from the shadows. the case had the effect of deepening partizan divides rtizan bitterness in the country. those divides, those cleavages have become onlyorpronounced in the years since the99. so this this partizan rancor in some respects can be traced to the clinton spectacle. the spectacle of impeachment and trial of a sitting u.s. president. there are more spectacles of the nineties, two cases of terrorism, including the oklahoma city bombing in april of 1995. that was an essentially a lone wolf terrorist attack that killed 168 p

he should know because he lost the case against bill clinton for exactly this purpose.n's sock drawer, what that has to do with this particular indictment against trump. >> i mean, you can ask most other lawyers. they know the cases they lose, right? and so when this issue popped up , we said why is the justice department doing the exact opposite and taking the different legal position than he took for bill clinton who had these records made, interviews that continued while he was doing business in the white house, calling foreign leaders, members of congress, his secretary of state, arguably classified that sort of material , certainly national defense information is defined by the current justice department and they came in, they told michael who was representing judicial watch at the time, still is senior attorney here, that there's nothing we can do about it. the president has perogatives here to designate records here as personal versus presidential and no one can second guess him and in fact they told the court at a hearing that if he has records after he leaves t

is that the distinguishing factor that this is not -- i mean, when you're talking about bill clinton, you're talking about audio recordings. when you're talking about donald trump, you're talking about classified documents prepared by the government, and oh, also, you're talking about not just, oh, can we have them back, but a year-long of stalling and misdirection, and not being faithful about what donald trump had or did not have, according to that indictment that we read on friday? >> i think it's quite simple. i think the documents that bill clinton had, the recordings, were his musings, his memoirs, his diary. they were things he created for himself for posterity. the things that donald trump has retained were documented created by the cia as listed in the indictment, the director of national intention, nsa, and other intelligence agencies. these belong to the people of the united states of america. those are very different types of categories, and we heard about, maybe there's a gray area, sometimes documents end up in boxes in the few days after the president leaves the white h

trump wanted to get into her head. >> bill clinton was abusive to women. >> hillary clinton was leftd position of how do i explain this. >> he was being advised to play it cool. >> when i hear something like that i am reminded of what my friend, michelle obama, advised us all. when they go low, hugo high. >> trump was considered a reality star and did all kinds of things to end up in the tabloids. the fact that he took that to the next level, we were shocked. in retrospect though i don't know why we were shot. >> i worked for the children's defense fund and i was taking on discrimination against african-american kids. and he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. >> he was tougher in the debates and he won those three debates by conventional measure, easily. >> the nastiest presidential campaign in our lifetime has come to a head. four out of five said they were disgusted by it. >> people were very excited. >> if pennsylvania goes as it has, it is looking increasingly likely that she is on her way. >> the hillary campaign, the

tell us about this sock drawer case from bill clinton. does it compare to the case president trump faces? guest: there are important similarities and differences. in the case of president clinton, he made these recordings about the time in office and he is talking about the official business he engaged in. he wanted to write a book after the fact. he stored these cassette tapes, these recordings in a sock drawer. the question was, are these tape recordings presidential records are they personal records? the presidential records act, as you pointed out, it is not mentioned in the indictment. everett presents three categories. there are records about the affect -- presidential time in office, personal records, things that are his, and federal agency records, documents federal agencies create. the two candidates, these are for the agency and they go to the national archives. the question is are these documents like the clinton sock drawer case, are they personal records? 's like president clinton -- i president clinton's -- like presid cnton'

except ultimately he worked for bill clinton, he's a democrat only charged with a misdemeanor and $50000 time at all. will: then speaking out and staying on the clint, of course hillary clinton, here brought up all the time and hillary clinton tweeted out a photo of her wearing a hat with her e-mail and pretty interesting in similarities. in september 2022 hillary clinton said she told investigators, there were 0 classified e-mails on her private e-mail server this is referring to a 2015 story investigation. pete: imagine the goal it takes that there were 0 classified documents. it dates back to 2015. in 2018 a government report very clearly points out there were at least 193 males that had some level of classification when sent. on a private server that they believe could of been accessed by foreign government, potentially hacked, huge national security implication, what was a consequence. pete: nothing. 193 mills, that's more than the documents that were held at mar-a-lago. will: absolutely right. rac.pete: no consequence. pe.will: she got the white housi guess at the consequent, no ja

bill clinton's 1996 campaign book which was called from hope to history. have you know from his hope arkansas and so on and it was a political agenda? and it was a perfectly fine book. but we had kept it secret. because it was very hard to do a book with a sitting present. so we had to get a contract and so on. so we finally got the book done. and when we announced the book people were so stunned that there was a secret book by the president of the united states in 1996. that we had orders for 600,000 copies. well, i had read the book. it was a fine book. but it sure is how it wasn't a book that was going to knock anybody's socks off because it was written by a sitting president. it was a political manifesto. so my last and my last engagement with that book was a piece in the washington post, which said the book is being returned from bookstores by the train load. so i didn't sell very well, but when i wrote to the president or actually was on c-span he was asked why the book didn't sell better by brian lamb and and his answer was well, i didn't have much

obama or clinton, the case with clinton, bill clinton, listen. >> to big lies, i think, they are right now, these other presidents took all these documents, those were situations where they arranged with the archives to set up special space under the management control and security provided by the archivist to temporarily put documents into libraries were ready. it was not put in their basement. okay. the idea that the president has complete authority to declare any document personal is facially ridiculous. that opinion had to do with the distinction between unofficial records which are records prepared by government agencies for the purpose of government action and personal documents as opposed to official documents which are things prepared by the president such as a diary or notes which are not used in the government's deliberations. and, yes, stuff that the president himself generates, the president has some discretion. these are official documents. it is arguable. the president's daily brief provided by the committee is not shannon: i am guessing you will not join the civil team.

. >> the white house stationery. [ laughter ] of bill clinton. bill clinton's actual stationery.d their movie. [ laughter ] [ applause ] which i guarantee they're hanging up in their homes. [ laughter ] so if anyone's watching, take the picture down, take it down. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: it's a lot of fun. you can get away with a lot that i can't. you know what we're going to do, if you don't mind, when we come back, we have this little experiment -- >> we going to wax george? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: well -- that sounds fun. you guys have done a lot of movies together. you're obviously very close. >> yeah. >> jimmy: we want to find out if you, julia, can recognize george's face just by touch. >> i don't have to touch his hairy back. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you don't have to touch his back. >> okay. >> my back's not hairy! >> jimmy: a group of men, faces like the lionel richie "hello" video. >> oh. "let's low." ♪ hello ♪ >> what group of men? >> jimmy: you'll see soon. [ laughter ] julia roberts and george clooney. we'll be right back! type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone.

the game has changed, bill clinton's under 2023 standard would be persecuted for perjury. changed the game. you impeached him after he was out of office and now charges of manhattan that's ridiculous. you are accusing the guy of being a spy through espionage. it is not going to change my support for donald trump. he's innocent until proven guilty. what i am trying to convey to you and i am sorry i am not doing a better job that most republicans believe that the law now is a political tool that hunter biden's laptop story was, that the people in charge that had their thumb on the scale. the reason it was not known to be true, october of 2024 of the election is the intelligence community wants you to believe it was russian disinformation when it was not. the double standards are in the minds of most republicans. >> senator, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> we are joined by senator chris coons, he joins us now. your response to senator graham. >> george, thank you for a chance to be on this morning. there is one thing i agree with senator graham here. fo

the fact that what happened to hillary clinton, bill clinton, joe biden. nothing compared to what's happening to donald trump. >> you know kevin, special counsel, jack smith, give a televised statement today. he said three things i think we can all agree on. he said, trump is innocent until proven guilty, the american people deserve for trump to have a speedy trial, and he said, the american people if they want to know more about the charges, they should read the indictment. if you look at the indictment and one thing, look at page 16 of the indictment. it is pretty stunning! talks about a recorded conversation, where president trump showed to a writer and another journalist, a classified document about war plans us military had planned. and he says, his nose is secret, and is a classified. he said he could have declassified but did not. basically, took away all of his defenses. he can't say he didn't know was classified, he can't say declassified it previously. he doesn't really have a defense if you look at that page 16 and encourage all of your views to

[video clip] >> they do not mention the defining lawsuit that was brought against bill clinton. it was lost by the government, the famous socks case that says you can keep you -- keep these documents. they do not mention that. these are the minor details. when i left office and was moving to florida, boxes were openly sitting on the white house sidewalk. everybody was taking pictures of them. this is not somebody smuggling boxes out, pictures of them sitting with people from gsa and other people waiting to put them on a truck. they were literally sitting outside of the white house, waiting for a truck to come. the truck come, it was there for a long time. they brought it down to florida and make it sound like it is a big event by operation, we did a poor job i will tell you. first thing you learn is, do not put them on the sidewalk in front of the white house. [laughter] >> as a former president, we were negotiating with the national archives and records administration just as every other president has done. the next thing i knew, mar-a-lago was rated by gun toting fbi agents. w

that's for sure. >> you really turn things around for bill clinton.ember when i went to little rock in 1992 when he was elected, covered the transition. you were there. that's where we met for the first time. james, always good to speak with you and get your thoughts. >> thank you, wolf. great respect for you. thank you. >> we'll continue this conversation. >>> coming up, madonna has just postponed her world tour after spending several nights in the intensive care unit. we have new details on her condition. we'll have that when we come back. sleepovers just aren't what they used to be. a house full of screens? basically no hiccups? you guys have no idea how good you've got it. how old are you? like, 80? back in my day, it was scary stories and flashlights. we don't get scared. oh, really? mom can see your search history. that's what i thought. introducing the next generation 10g network. only from xfinity. >>> tonight, a major health scare for a pop music legend, madonna. the 64-year-old icon suffered a serious bacterial infection. cnn's stephanie ela

and each, for example, a bill clinton or donald trump twice. it's always for trivial reasons compared to their real crimes, which our crimes regression, mass murder, show today. a well let me talk about an article i wrote for cobra action magazine, raj, they published in july of 2022. and in that i showed there were 6 spent solemn, good reasons to impeach president by immediately. so that's almost a year ago. the biggest one or one of the biggest was that his administration escalated the u. s. nature. oh, oh, here's your proxy war of aggression against russia and ukraine and made united states a comb interest. yeah, that was 5. part of that wasn't just somebody trying to cover something up. what did you talk about coming up empty to g thing? there is this kind of concerted effort. that's a cover all this stuff up. you can go back to the russia, russia, gates, the collusion stuff with trying to the whole thing is cooking me. i did, it was drums up by the clinton family. i mean, you know, right. where do, where do we stand here, mr. young? it see

that is your double standard so you've got multiple double standards going back to bill clinton, hillaryon, now joe biden so i see it as a politicalization of our justice system settle think voters will take well to it at all, frankly and i think mr. trump has done well because he has strong economic message on drill baby drill on tax cuts, deregulation and all these things, that's what the polls are showing, this will be a pocketbook election and he's way ahead, he had a prosperous administration wants and can do it again and i think that's what people want. stuart: national the consumer price index which we saw this morning, i call it nine, level of consumer price inflation keeps on coming down 4% year over year, i call it benign, i think we're going down in inflation rate, what say you? >> i agree, i think the collapse of the money supply chain the start inversion of the yield curve and solving trend in commodity prices, gold has been steady. i think the fed should cause a look, give it another month or two and whether the job is done or not. monetary legs are long and variable, milto

bill clinton and the socks case for years he is recording and top-secret international stock keep itook to write. and his legacy and that, keeps in his socks draw, leaving presidency, take its with him. take its all with him. nobody charged him with violating espionage actor thought about it. so what happened? judicial watch walks in said under foia freedom of information act to national archives, get those tapes, goes in front of a judge, away liftist, she went after stone. and what does he rule? i can't do anything. my hands are tied, even with judiciary review, i can't order anything. presidential records act said documents belong to president,i ex president with broad authority. wow. the government's position. department of justice, prosecutor's position, is that was the correct decision. because they fought judicial watch. when it came to the acquisition of this information there never should have been a grand jury on the documents case, ever, never. it should never had occurred. in should never have been a search warrant, or a fbi s.w.a.t. team raid on president trump house, co

i can remember with bill clinton, even though we were coming out of the recession during that year in 1992, it was too little too late for george w. bush. he ended up losing in retrospect the economy was turning the bend. what do you think? >> certainly there's a chance that you're correct. the ratings until today that joe biden has gotten on the economy have not been good. they have been very, very alarming for the democrats. but that being said, i participated as i know you know in 96 when we were able to take the good commission news for bill clinton based on hi bipartisanship on the debt and the deficit and the budget and make a case of unity and progress -- >> neil: that was undebatable back then. no matter where you are in politics that was an update battle for bob dole to face. here's open to debate. the jobs are strong but the inflation is worrisome. you mix that with people that are not returning to work, a lot of them are reluctant to do so for a variety of reasons. it's not a slam dunk. i'm wondering for the candidates now that worry about a delayed impact of this type of n

sock drawer, where some tape recordings that bill clinton made were designated as personal recordings recordings by the president or the ex president. they are top secret documents of the united states. that is a complete nonstarter. there is no legal defense. the only defense that i think he is mounting's defense of time. he's got a judge, aileen cannon, who intervened in the investigatory process in a way that, as you pointed out earlier, a very conservative 11th circuit court of appeals not only unanimously reversed but criticized her for. he's obviously counting on all of the discretionary things that she can do to slow things down so that they don't reach a resolution by the time of the next election. the defense is delayed. >> his defense is delayed. is delay. personal, records this is according to presidential records act. the presidential records are defined as documentary materials or any reasonably segregatable portion thereof, of a purely private or non public character, we should not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or oth

. >> you were one of the house impeachment managers against then president bill clinton. ystems of justice that have worked to a certain degree. i mean, hillary clinton was investigated, and ultimately they found that there was no intent to mishandle the documents in her email server, private server. i mean, she was called reckless by the fbi, et cetera, and at the same time the fbi announced that they were reopening the investigation just i think like ten days before the election. a lot of clinton people think that cost her the election. i understand people saying there are two tiers of justice, they're saying that, but from where a lot of democrats probably sit, they say you impeach bill clinton, there was a special counsel investigation. he had to pay a fine. he gave up his law license. hillary clinton ultimately probably lost the presidency because of that investigation. so what are you talking about? what would you say to that? >> well, i would say it reflects the seriousness of obstruction of justice cases. that's what i prosecuted former president bill clinton for,