. >> lieutenant colonel bill cowan is our guest now. what dow think about that? we contain them through air strikes alone? >> no, we can hurt them and cash them and make them feel bad but never defeat them. and all of the time we dither about making more strikes or crossing in syria, isis continues to consolidate the position. and 2 million people under his control. and it will take a campaign where we are in the ground level, we or our iraqi security forces or another multinational forces going in to the towns and villages and weeding them out. >> what disappoints so many american people we have spent so much effort training the iraqi military. they were supposed to be able to handle the fight and when they were confronted with isis they threw down the weapons and said you caught can us and we are done. >> lack of leadership. i have been to iraq since the u.s. forces and i watched the slow degeneration of the military as maliki moved out qualified and capable leaders most of whom worked alongside u.s. forces and knew the u.s. military and many educated in the u.

lieutenant bill cowan joins us right now. lt. colonel, i want to get straight at this.i think they're nazis. they're slaughtering religious minorities. i want to flat-out kill them. are we going to do it? >> hope we are, bill. there is no strategy put together to do exactly that. this may be a problem for baghdad if the government gets sorted out, this is bigger problem for all nations in the middle east threatened by isis, all the nations in north africa, threatened by isis, all the friends in europe, threatened by isis, canadian partners to the north. the reality, isis is effectively recruiting foreign fighters around the world to join the ranks, bade on unimaginable successes they have had. if we don't have a strategy with other stakeholders, their own citizens if we don't have strategy that incorporates all of them, we'll have a long hard road trying on our own or just with baghdad to beat isis. i don't see any plans underway to do all the things i'm suggesting right here. stuart: is america's military at odds with the state department and the white house? because t

bill cowan, thank you for your perspective and insight.d day to you. >> thanks, kelly. >>> still to come, some troubling new studies out this week on why you may be having a hard time getting into shape. here's a hint. it may have something to do with junk food. maybe. maybe. put that cookie down. e. his long day of doing it himself starts with back pain... and a choice. take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. honey, you did it! baby laughs! >>> welcome back. right now we're going to talk about troubling new studies out this week on why it's so tough to achieve your health goals. so tough. why do you think it is? >> i think it's because of food. >> well, you would be right. scientists in australia agree with you. they've found that eating junk food actually weakens self-control, making you want more of it. and on the heels of this study, a report from the cdc finding nutrition labels may not be reporting trans fats even if they're present in the foods that we're buying. so what do you do? here to talk about it, practicing

isis can't be defeated without attacking the group in syria joaning us is lieutenant colonel bill cowan thank you, governor. >> why don't we see the participation of other gulf arab nations in standing up against the threat that is much to them as it is tor0]d us immediately? >> that is a great question, they are looking for leadership. they are afraid to take a step on their own, isis will focus on them. they need to see leadership to step forward to bring them together and help them understand the threat they face and try to work on a coalition and agreement and cooperation between them and certainly united states on a level to go after the threat isis poses. the red line comment was that a green light to isis and putin. they don't mean it. >> and they don't mean. it anybody in the world at that point looked at the united states, the number one world power making an ascertaination we will do something and we will walk away. most of the our friends said we can't trust those guys and the enemies said we don't have to worry about them. >> like a parent said don't make me come up there. a

i am joined by lieutenant colonel bill cowan. thank you for joining us tonight. >> it's going to be really hard we are going to run into at with the same kind of problems with isis as leadership. and they are showing a lot more capability than what we have found in other places in this includes the opportunity to destroy them without having some kind of collateral damage. >> it's important to remember that the courage didn't fight that they have been experiencing this. ashely: to what extent do you think the u.s. will be dragged into this? >> welcome actually, i think that we will do it with what the president says i'm in no combat troops on the ground and i believe for my from my own experience as an advisor for a number of years that they are critical in the field and they bring a lot of confidence. pilots like to talk to americans on the ground and not to be iraqis or courage on the ground. especially as we talk about u.s. involvement. ashely: do you think that this is an amalgam of groups that have been fighting, that they ha

join us is lieutenant bill cowan and he's been to the kurdish region of iraq and a fox news military analyst. you applaud the air strikes but say there will need to be other military force supplied here? >> they have to be. the air strikes didn't do much. and we know isis as we have seen from the videos run has a powerful armored force and we need to go after them and go back to shock and a we when it comes to destabilizing isis. and in the end of the day, air strikes are one component and there has to be heavy ground action that has to be done by the iraqis and the tough fighters. they don't have training or weaponly to conduct conventional operation which is what isis is conducting. >> we'll take you to the white house. josh earnest arrived in the podium and we'll listen to his opening statements. stand by. >> maybe it is a buzz of anticipation. either way i like. it so mr. carl gets a seat. they are on their way. >> pretty close to real time in the morning. thank you. >> come on. setting the record straight. i don't have any announcements and we'll go straight to questions. would

it is a huge part of the land -- melissa: another voice in this on the phone, lieutenant colonel bill cowanx military analysts. it looks to me as if airstrikes i not enough. we are getting a new report in the journal that the money behind basis, millions of dollars they are using to fund an army. >> substantial money they are getting from the oilfield they own, the two refineries they own, people they kidnapped and not just random of wetness -- westerners, they did that in ransom from within narrow communities, tribal leaders, up family members who are routinely kidnap and told they're getting it from taxes and tribute and bribes and they're covering maybe 2 million people so commerce goes on and the opportunity to strong arm or put back some people continues to fill their coffers with a lot of money and all that represents bad news. melissa: from a political standpoint, this could be for other countries around the world that are as concerned about isis as we are, we could go after the money. uconn of the funding and, of places? >> this is a robust economy they created and a lot of it comes

bill cowan says it is a bad deal for the american people. >> j.p.for $13 billion last november. we also, of course, don't know the details behind what the emails or documents say the individuals at these banks did wrong. we'll never know what happened and that's one of the down sides of these settlements. these things are interesting because they're supposedly good for the government and a huge influx of cash and supposedly good for the companies and i think it's bad for the american people because we never find out what really happened. >> announcing the citigroup deal last month, attorney general eric holer hit back at critics and defended the settlements as a deterrent. >> these investigations are not only about holding those who violate the public trust to account, they're also intended to deter banks from engaging in this type of conduct in the future. if in the future for whatever reason and it boggles my mind that this could not have a significant deterrent impact, but if it does not we will hold people accountable yet again. >> joining me no

retired colonel bill cowan is a fox news analyst and jonah goldberg. welcome to both of you.reporter who was on one of those choppers and he describes in heartbreaking harrowing detail the situation of the people on the ground. i was somewhat sprited to hear defense secretary hagel say they had been there and it's not that bad, that we don't need to go in. colonel cowan what do you think? >> they may think the worst is over but the whole situationn't over. i'm sure we would like to find some situation where we don't have to supply any more presence because we don't want to take a chance of losing american lives. the support that may be need is the osprey from the marine corps. we want to look for a scenario where we don't put any up s. forces at risk or on the ground. martha: we just heard from wendell goler. apparently the president had in this schedule a two-day trip back to washington during this vacation. what's your assessment as to why he's coming back now? >> i really have no idea. everyone is trying to figure that out. i think it's part and parcel of a strangely aloof

patti ann: lieutenant colonel bill cowan. a former official says i don't mean to sound heartless. it's tragic but it doesn't mean we are going to commit thousands of troops. the president is working with allies to cut off isis financing. but is that enough. >> there are a lot of things we could and should be doing but about the on thing we are doing at this point is running airstrikes nipping at the edge of isis but not going to the core of isis. we don't see the president -- he spoke yesterday about working with others. we haven't seen him talking to others. we have seen the british, french and germans started plying weapons to the kurds. we know the kurd have been asking for a long time. we don't see the president talking to our friend and allies in the middle east or europe. there is a lot of rhetoric and nibbling at the edges even on that rhetoric. we don't see a strategy being developed or the aggressive actions we'll need to minimize the ability of is * to attack us and others. patti ann: president obama says isis needs to be contained. while the ambassador said containment