and bill gavin, dramatic development involving the case of the boston bombers.his involves a third person. the fbi we're talking to. his name is ibrahim todashev. he was linked to tamerlan tsarnaev, and was investigated by the fbi when today there was an incident, which ended with him being killed. tell me what we know about this. >> basically, what we know at this point, piers, is that they had linked todashev, the brothers, to the triple murder that occurred in waltham, massachusetts on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. they went down to interview him with some local police and with the boston police. and i guess he became extremely upset. to the best of my knowledge at this point, he pulled a knife and stabbed an fbi agent, who has had medical treatment and stitches. and during that confrontation, he was shot and killed. one thing i want to point out here, piers, it might be of some interest. i hope there's not a paradigm shift with some of the brutal and horrible things these folks are doing. but that triple homicide, the people were brutally carveded and hacke

i want to turn to bill gavin, vice president of a security service firm and boston native. bill, we have spoken many times in the last two-and-a-half weeks about this case. but it would seem that these developments today are pretty significant. what is your reading of it from an fbi point of view? >> they sure are. and i agree with judge mukasey. you know, i don't know if i have enough concrete facts at this particular point in time, piers, to talk about conspiracy and what not. but i'm well beyond -- light years beyond poor judgment, stupidity and anything else. the thing that sticks out in my mind when they got the backpack, were the elements that left -- that were left over from the bomb-making -- from the fireworks. were they in the backpack, or were they in the room someplace, and they had to pick them up and put them in the backpack. was the vaseline a key ingredient. was that in the backpack, or was that someplace else in the room. these are all things that have to be ferreted out and looked at. i believe that in finding the backpack, the fireworks, the vaseline, i su

bill gavin is a former assistant director for the fbi in new york. s live with us now from syracuse. bill, this is just beginning. >> yes, sir. >> shepard: where do they go now? >> from this point on, you know, they have questioned these three is individuals in custody and they are in pretty serious trouble, shep. the sanctions that will be put against them should be tried and convicted will be fairly serious. what they did was pick up all the material that was in the dormitory room to include those empty casings from the fireworks from which the gunpowder was poured. put them in the backpack and put the computer in the backpack. now, the bureau did that landfill search with all those evidence technicians that you saw earlier -- displayed earlier and found the backpack. no mention has been made yet as to whether or not they found that computer. i assume if they found that computer they have got a treasure trove of information. >> shepard: catherine herridge is reporting they do have that computer. further, here is what we are to believe at this point,

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jon: bill gavin is former assistant director for the fbi in new york. he is vice president of guardsmark, an international security services company. first, bill, your personal reaction. sometimes those of us in the media, people in law enforcement, we get a little jaded by all the crime and so forth we have to cover and investigate but when you heard these free women are free, what went through your mind? >> it was just horrible, jon, those of us in law enforcement and those of you in the press that you can be somewhat hardened to some of the things that occur but nothing can ever harden you to something like this. these are three young people, two young girls, when kid mapped and -- kidnapped and an older woman. god only knows what was done during that time frame. agree with your last guest you untir viewed who said it must go very slowly. you have to respect what is going on with the children now. they may still be children in their minds while they're in their early 20s. the fact it was a 6-year-old i believe might have been involved in this whole th

bill gavin, thanks very much, bill. see you soon. >> thanks, martha.ash-cam video shows the arrest of the hollywood superstar reese witherspoon and her husband in her own words during her dust-up with a no-nonsense georgia state trooper back in april. we've all seen the dash-cam video. so has julie banderas live in the new york city newsroom. you have the "fox 411." what is up with that? >> seems we can't get enough of watching these celebrities pretty much embarass themselves in front of a national audience. reese witherspoon's embarrassment continues to play out. the hollywood actress best known playing a loveable girl next door playing a much different role in front after police dash-cam and it ain't pretty. this video obtained by "tmz". she talks to the georgia state trooper who pulled her husband over for dui five times while he was trying to conduct a field sobriety test. >> here is the question i want to ask. >> come on. >> you better not arrest me. are you kidding me? >> no. i told -- >> i'm an american citizen. >> i told you to get the in car

joining us bill gavins. >> good to see you. >> shepard: i'm guessing you'd love to have a minute or two with her, couple hours. would would you begin in questioning the widow? >> it all depends what her degree of cooperation with federal authorities. you really want to know what his disposition was, the inclination of her husband, what he was doing prior to all this, and did show know any of it? the other thing that gets to me a little bit is the fact that after his picture appeared on the screen identified as the bomber, not too sure she stepped forward and said, that's my husband and, i know who he is. these things are very troubling. right now they're trying their very bert to interview here in maybe a nonaggressive faction so she would continue to cooperate, and also be having profilers look at her responses, look at her body movement and things like that to try to help the interviewers get the best they possibly can out of her. >> shepard: we have heard a lot of talk about how tamerlan tsarnaev changed a lot in the last couple years. can you imagine a scenario under which i which t

jon: bill gavin there talking about the change in attitude on the part of her husband. what about their radicalization? what are we learning about that. >> reporter: the brothers were followers of the american born cleric anwar al-awlaki, what is called the leader of the new digital jihad. al-awlaki and others rely on social media and the web to drive their radical message. he was killed in a cia drone strike in 2011 the his lectures and videos live on in the web an common for the home gone followers to be a follower of his online sermons. the cleric live ad double right. there on the right is the mug shot from 1997 when he was picked up for soliciting prostitutes in san diego. a analysis of the boston marathon bomb parts show they likely relied on a radio control found in toy cars. this detonation mechanism or switcher is not found in the al qaeda web manual, put out by al-awlaki's group, al qaeda in yemen. the chairman of the house intelligence committee republican mike rogers and chairman of house homeland security committee mike mccaul stated on the record they beli

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gavin mcguinness' characters, mcgruber? jay she so on -- >> he is so going to come after you for that. >> probably with a tweed. >> bill, you made a good point when you said the eagles suck. >> thank you, thank you. if the giants fans and bears fans can agree on anything. >> eagles absolutely suck. kevin williams kicked out of a thee tear. you don't think we should treat him as a folk hero. is he the one got them deserves -- got them deserves, but doesn't need right now? >> i like the stuff. >> and also you said the woman wasn't talking on the phone and she was looking at text? >> that's my understanding. >> that's mine too. that's enough. >> it may be enough, but it was a game changer in the story. how much more annoying is it versus she is on her wikipedia thing. >> nobody in the theater would be on their phone. being on e-mail or texting in a theater or in a live theater is the equivalent of talking on a phone in a movie theater. does that make sense? >> i long called for the death penalty for those people who use cell phones in movie theaters. you know where i stand on this. >> he was just googling. >> i am saying that'

bill whether you have a lap band in your stomach or not. >> steve: plus bacon hot dog, that's the lead story. >> brian: right. or as gavinin the prompter, next on the rundown. two suspected terrorists vanishing without a trace thanks to the witness protection program. a shocking report from the inspector general reveals the justice department failed to updade the no fly list with their new identities that allowed them and possibly others to board commercial planes. >> there is a clear lack of accountability here. it is very disturbing, very alarming that we would create a situation where we're giving terrorists a new identity and then not keeping track of them. >> brian: right. we lost two. the doj claims problems have been largely corrected. >> steve: great. >> gretchen: okay. she saw her four-year-old being snatched right from her front yard in new mexico. she sprung into action, chasing the kidnapper in her car for seven miles. mom then slammed her car right into david hernandez' vehicle. what she didn't know? hernandez had pushed the girl out of the car. she was okay. hernandez got away on foot, but turned himself in