bill kristol isn't stupid. worked for bill kristol for more than five years in the 1990s, knew him well. he was a genuinely smart guy. a good boss, too. he was humane and fair-minded, i never would imagine would write something that nasty and dishonest about an enemy much less an old friend. what happened? kristol refused to explain himself today. part of the explanation has to be the moment we're living in where hysteria has supplanted rational debate. no longer to explain your beliefs but to highlight what a morally upstanding person you are, a virtuous guy you are, using by contrast of your opponent by definition evil. it's childish, obviously. but many people it's tempting. even 64-year-old men with harvard degrees fall for it, apparently. part of the problem is the medium. 20 years ago when he had something to say he had a magazine to say it in. he talked through ideas with his friends, then spent hours writing a piece that expressed it precisely. there was thinking involved in the process. now he just goe

bill kristol, i appreciate the fact that bill has been very vocal and hasn't backed down on where were going as a country and that we all need to be concerned about that. and so i would -- it would do me good. i've tried to reach out to the white house, to the vice president's office. i know other african-american republicans have tried to do that to say, hey, look, you're going to hurt yourself every time you do it like this. you know, one of the things -- >> you say you've tried. you're implying that they haven't been receptive. have they been receptive? >> well, chuck, i'm not going to go there. but let me say this. one of the -- one of my real values to the republican party when i was in congress was i had enough credibility with my colleagues that i could say, hey, look, guys, i see what you're trying to do, but i wouldn't do it like that. i see what you're trying to say. i wouldn't say it like that. i was in control of communications. and, you know, we had about a 58, 59% approval rating at the time. i'm not so sure that he's got those type of people around him that could say t

but what we now know for sure -- and bill kristol is exactly right about this. we have a president of the united states who lacks any -- any moral authority. domestically, internationally and i would argue that absence of moral authority on the part of a president of the united states coarsens our country. makes the country a worst place to live and abroad makes it more dangerous. >> michael steele, quickly, then i'm going to bring the rest of the table in here. republicans were quick to get to twitter, express their outrage in the 140 character increments but they don't ever do anything. do you think they'll do anything now? >> no. >> that's its? >> no. they're not. look this is a box now check that the president has said what he said and you're going to see that the great exhale on this by a lot of republicans around this town. including leadership. they don't want to have the deal with the prickly issue of race. they don't want to have to deal with it in the context of the republican party so this president in terms of doing what he did today and saying what

bill kristol is here and so is katherine rampel, opinion columnist at "the washington post." good to have both of you. bill, million-dollar question, can the president sty ay on message, maintain the same tone he had last night a rally setting made up of that bass in arizona. newt gingrich described the position president trump is in this morning like this. >> so he's right now in the balance, does he go back to a much more divisive, angry rhetoric tonight or does he stick with this presidential style which last night gave him enormous positives? >> bill kristol, how realist iic is it to expect the president can help himself? >> not very. hard to have a presidential style at a rally. rulelies are campaign events. he's not in the middle of a campaign. this thing is idiotic. if he had good advisers, maybe he does and they told him to cancel and he didn't, cancel the rally. he gave good speech last night, serious speech, sober, you know -- i don't think it helps matters much with public applause, but he could have spent the week building with that, meet with military experts and

let me turn to you, bill kristol. i worked with the first president who dealt with the challenges of being at war in afghanistan and now we're on the third. your thoughts. >> well, i think what jim mattis means -- i discussed this before he was secretary of defense, that we fought one year war 16 times is everyone wanted to get out as quickly as we could. totally understandable desire. who wants to be bogged down, but as a result under rumsfeld we had a lightfoot print. we got out as fast as we could. right after 9/11, bush had to send more troops back in '03. and we wanted to draw down and then president obama announced the withdrawal. do you think i think president trump is the right commander in chief why we have to be fighting there in a reasonably low level of violence, but we have to stay there for some time, do i think he'd coordinate as any other president might, with our allies and the civilian efforts, you know, you go to war with the commander in chief. but one thing i would say is that the downside of just

as you and bill kristol have argued, defining in all the wrong ways.or michael eric dyson, thank you, as always. >> ain't no doubt about that. >> next, i'll speak to charlottesville city councilwoman, the one i mentioned who led this charge to take down the statue. her perspective. and we'll look at which gop leaders are actually addressing trump by name and who are still holding back. award winning interface. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century. this august visit your local volvo dealer to receive sommar savings of up to $4,500. this august visit your local volvo dealer p3 planters nuts, jerky and whaseeds.at? i like a variety in my protein. totally, that's why i have this uh trail mix. wow minty. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at bus

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so he was criticizing bill kristol for not being jewish enough. there was some thought behind that. he wasn't pointing to his judaism. the article if you read it and most people didn't. they just tweeted the headline. if you read the article it's an argument against bill kristol's political position which was a position shared by a large number of intellectual jewish conservatives in the belt way. now, i don't agree with that argument. i wouldn't make that argument, but that's his opinion piece and there's nothing anti-semitic about it and afterwards he wrote how shock he was at the reaction his headline received because he didn't intend it that way at all. >> joel, i have so much more i want to talk to you about. we've got to get to some other news. i thank you. i do think we have more to discuss. i'm on tv tonight on the 10:00 p.m. >> as a good breitbart editor, it's the jewish sabbath on saturday night so i'm off line. so i wish you and -- >> shall be at sha legitimate objects of matrimony to you as well. senior sed tore at large for breitbart news. i hope you will come back so w

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there are people who just load his style, that includes a lot of republicans, like your pal, bill kristolthen there is people who like the style, they like the ways he plays at smash mouth. but there's a third group of people who recognize he is a curious and idiosyncratic character but he was the only one advancing policy is that cared about. and if you are in these states and towns where the mill has closed in the factory has closed and you're listening to these things from marco rubio about a second american century when all you want is for, you know, your remaining life expectancy to be marginally less work, then, i think, i think they do want the trump policies and they are disturbed by the fact that, for example, on national security, we essentially have, i don't know what he's complaining about , when you look at the options in afghanistan, essentially bill kristol's former policy establishment is still in control of the joint. likewise, the obamacare skinny repeal was nothing like what trump was talking about. i think at a certain point the people who voted for trump did not vote

host: bill kristol of the weekly has started a committee to renominate the president. there will be lots of people running for president in 2020. i think john kasich is already running a lot of this will depend on the hotly. -- economy. should the economy be in pretty good shape, he would be in pretty good shape to be renominated. doldrums, that is the biggest threat to an incumbent presidency. a lot of this depends on if trump policies are enacted. work?y it's too early for that to be known. host: this is virginia. caller: good morning. wondering, why do we have to give welfare to u.s. corporations for them to do the right thing and repatriate funds they have sitting overseas? don't they use the roads, doesn't the military protect them, don't they use the water supply western mark -- supply? shouldn't they do the right thing? guest: can you force them? that money was earned overseas. the tax rates are very high. we have the highest corporate tax rate. they have good as this reasons. their job is to maximize shareholder value. they would be going against that. thatu wa

or the war profiteers sack of shit from bill kristol. good stuff. thanks in their faith in their. statues are not just meant to honor our history they're also meant to symbolize our values to remind our society how a great person behaves and judging by the statues apparently there were ninety nine percent more great men and great women and about ninety nine percent more great white men the great black men and essentially zero great hispanic people and maybe one great native american. i mean if you really look at the numbers there were apparently more great horses than great women. and i like to say i disagree that disagrees. thank you thank you thank you thank thank you the time to get applause in this room. but beyond just that confederate statues are worse than most they represent a pride in fighting for the right to own other human beings that's what it was i didn't understand that when i was little of course in fact here i am sitting on the robert e. lee monument in ridgewood that's that's a real photo. excuse the sox. right now i'm a guy and they look happy in that but actual

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its support for trump you know i wonder if the rachel maddow lindsey graham's or billy crystal bill kristol will take the time out of their busy busy busy busy days blaming russia to read this report or will they continue marching and cheer leading us into war with north korea russia or maybe at the end of the day than ourselves. while they do that let's start watching the whole. real thing with. the bottom. line you know i got. this. we. welcome everyone to watching the hawks i am i robot and i'm top of the lot like. oh you you know i said it's the entire all the reasons they've given us as to why trump one you know all the excuses that they've made for hillary's pour your ability in the elections and losing the donald is this teetering blocks of you know it's like jungle you know you keep pulling these blocks out of benchley it's going to crumble i'm seeing a crumble yet this new report you know i really when you look at it really makes sense to me and when you look at the numbers that they present it's hard to deny that at the end of the day because they compared trump's numbers the romn

. >> you want to put peggy and charles krauthammer and bill kristol in the elite. >> good luck.y are absolutely critical against trump. they didn't want trump to win. peggy is a different deal and i love peggy. but the fact that three republican ikt lengthiums say that. >> how about america where half of the popularity of obama and how about the world. >> of the world, i am shedding a tear. >> and let me get to the conclusion of one sentence. they asked people would you trust trump or obama. 64 percent obama. and 22 percent trump. we are a laugh being stock, >> and the so we have established in your view trump is the worst. and no one's ever been that. pipe down for a minute. >> okay. >> you have spent your minutes saying trump is the worst. my question is what next for you and the democratic party. what do you have to offer middle-class voter and many of them voted for obama and turned out and voted for donald trump. and his popularity among those people is riding pretty high. what do democrats say to them. >> as you know 88 percent of the republicans voted for trump over clint

we brought of the people from -- bill kristol and many others. here's the interesting thing for our panel. murray's lectures tested our commitment to free speech and show many of us believe in free speech but only as long as you agree with their positions. they are ready to censor views with which they disagree in which they find deplorable, dangerous or demeaning. they are ready to sign his ideas that they find dangerous and that threaten their safe bubble. >> they're ready to discuss civility and engage in witchhunts against those whose views they find disagreeable. one of my colleagues in university propose i be denied pay raise for ten years. [laughing] for the fact of having invited murray. if some of my colleagues failed the free speech test, i was pleased to discover that by undergraduates passed it with flying colors and that the recent of hope for us today. someone starting law and public policy from whatever of her classes said this, i can't create effective policy if i refuse to read and listen to opinions of people i disagree with. an

want to put out pegy noonan and charles krauthammer and bill kristol into the elites -- >> laura: theythought trump was going to lose and they both were absolutely critical throughout, against trump throughout the primary. they didn't want trump to win. peggy noonan is a different deal, i love her. the fact that three republican intellectuals, with whom you disagree on pretty much every other issue -- >> howay about america? he has half the popularity of obama. how about the world? the pew research center didbo a survey -- >> laura: i am shedding a tear about the world thinks. >> let me get to the conclusion of one sentence. they ask people around the world, would you trust trump or obama, who is out of office? 64% trusted obama. 22%, trump. we are a laugh laughingstock numerically. >> laura: we have established that, in your view, trump is the worst, -- pipe down. piped out for a minute. you have spent your minutes here saying donald trump is the worst. my question to you is, okay, what next for you and the democratic party? what do you have to offer those middle-class voters who did

and bill kristol from the weekly standard. chris, there does seem to be information that john kelly is trying to get his hands around the steve bannon situation. there was an interview with hr mcmaster where he wouldn't even say that he could really work with steve bannon. so bannon is something. we're not quite sure what his role is and what power he has with the president, but this weekend has brought it into sharp -- >> bannon may well be the least of his problems. two weeks ago, it was dysfunctional. and it's one self-inflicted wound after another. the first statement on charlottesville was beyond the pale. absolutely without precedent. the clooeanup statement was may a glimmer of hope that kelly was pushing back and trying to tell donald trump hard truths. but the truth is here that this is a white house that is broken, that hasn't been annuything rig. it desperately needs focus and discipline to get anything done. and the problem is that at the very top, you have a guy donald trump for whom focus and discipline are anath

beneath them they did that by ignoring voters by, you know, i mean, if you hear some of the stuff bill kristol say when is he thinks nobody is listening and tweets and you tell that to somebody working in a factory or wisconsin they do not represent voters at all even in a little bit. and if you -- it's just mazing to me i've been here for what two years, a year and a half and i have a better grasp on one american care about about and people paid to know. [laughter] but what all of those people have in common i think on the fly leaf of the book i was too because they're sort of swirlenings but can't be tongue and cheek. [laughter] and you know, i think when they'll have in common is that they are all -- they all had a natural disposition to irritate the establishment. they all in their own way with varying degree of substance they published something. i don't like fact that donald trump clearly doesn't read. you know, he doesn'ted read books. and i don't think he has much of a grasp of policy detail neither did reagan. but his instincts are great. his instincts are are fantastic and other thin

bill kristol, let me start with you.nt trump saying that he called out violence, bigotry on many sides on many sides. what did that say to you? >> i mean avoiding condemning the nazis who would reason the whole thing happened and it was shocking, really, i have to say. the events were horrible themselves and very depressing and the deaths and the injuries but president trump's reaction was almost as depressing and now his, you know, people who work for him, i really shouldn't say work for him. they work in the white house. tom bossert, that was a terrific interview. he is the director of white house national security. that they are the reason for this fundamental, primary reason for what happened in charlottesville. then, of course, corey gardner from colorado, even he, gee, if only president trump would finally say the right thing. president trump meant what he said and said what he meant. and i find that very depressing. >> michael, on its face, getting a politician of any party to condemn white supremacists, nazis and

bill kristol, i do wonder how much we will hear condemnation from both sides. we did hear quite a bit of it over the weekend from the rub yorubios and ted cruzes. >> we see what happens when you allow this prejudice to fester. i think you will see very strong statements. i think from republicans to democrats alike. the tougher task is to think about what to do when we have a president seven months into his term who has -- who is donald trump. >> what do you tell your friends, jen psaki, as the democrat on the table. what do you tell your democratic friends, what am i supposed to do? >> run for office, give to a candidate, get active. there are record numbers of people running. that is a direct response to donald trump. a lot of them are people who worked in the obama administration. people should get out there. silence is not acceptable, specially in cases like this week. people need to not go on living their daily lives. this can't be normalized. that is what i could tell people. >> i was there on election night and i was tlar the nehere the n. people were ask

let's just talk about this brilliant tweet that bill kristol put out, i loved it yesterday, where he wrote the groaning sound you hear is jay sekulow from under the bus. jay sekulow knows president trump. he's known him for years. what do you make of this? >> well, i think it was abe lincoln who once said -- >> late great abe lincoln. >> who apparently lived in a house better than the one donald trump lives in. >> for sure. >> i think he once said any man who represents himself in court has a fool for a lawyer and a jackass for a client. well, when you lie to your lawyer, either the lawyer out there was lying for his client or he lied to the lawyer. now, given what steve just said, i think people know that if a lawyer is dealing with his hands tied behind his back because the clients aren't being truthful to him, he's going to embarrass himself, he's going to undermine his client, he's going to undermine his arguments. and that's what's happened here. what we've had as steve said is lying from the top. this is clearly now directed by donald trump. we know that he instructed -- no, an

>>> thanks to bill kristol, january than la mere. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts now. >> hi there, nicolle. in it's monday, forever is going to start tonight. tonight a total eclipse of the presidency? >> i think the president failed to meet the standard that we would have expected a president to do in a time like that. >> after charlottesville, president trump tried to turn the page, but changing the subject won't change the divisions in the republican party. plus, after slamming the war in afghanistan on the campaign trail. >> wasted six trillion dollars on wars in the meelgds east. we could have rebuilt our country twice. >> president trump will address the nation tonight on the path forward. >>> and challenging the first amendment. should extremist groups have the right to rally? we'll delve into the power and pitfalls of free speech. this is m pt daily and it starts right now. >>> good evening. i'm katy terr in new york in for chuck todd. it was a remarkable day and it promises to be a remarkable night. today the country saw a celestial spe

they did that to themselves by ignoring their own voters, i mean, if you're some of the stuff bill kristolsays when he thinks nobody's listening, some of the stuff he tweets and did you tell it to somebody who works in a factory in wisconsin or wherever, these people do not represent at all, even a little bit. it's amazing to me. i've been here for what, two years, you have and have a better grasp on ordinary americans and these people are paid to know. what all the speed 11, and think on the flight of the book i list darth vader. i think what you all have in common is they all had a natural disposition to irritate the establishment. in their own way with varying degrees of substance all accomplished something. i don't like the fact donald trump clearly doesn't read. he doesn't read books. i don't think as much of a grasp of detail but then again neither did reagan. his instinct so great. his instinct are fantastic and there are things i like about him enough for me to be a fan. i don't like the fact he doesn't beat, i'm not going to lie. marilyn manson, you know, much smarter and every kn

i was talking with bill kristol during the break this morning that we've had an influx as most college universities of students all over the world especially in other parts of asia, or at least africa, those students have brought in a tremendous vitality and enthusiasm and brilliance to this kind of study. that sometimes the americans need so i think in that sense, global humanities makes a lot of sense to me. that is, it seems to me there are a lot of people in different parts of the world who are really interested in this type of study, the study of fundamental questions and looking at the foundations of things. so in that sense, it sounds great. in terms of running out the curriculum, i think the worry , it's as you said i'd say is how it's going to be done. so there is all kinds of wonderful rich material from non-western cultures that raises the same fundamental questions and that only of course is implicit in what i was saying that these are human questions and not just hours here and now. but i think there is a real danger of a tokenism and superficiality and having people teach