birx. and you can see from the sweet the president said birx hit us because of criticism leveled by nancy pelosi but that is not true. birx did address criticism of pelosi here on cnn i didn't wit bash but the comments were all made before the question about speaker pelosi. with me now from the white house is kaitlan collins. birx has been fauci'd by the president to borrow a term of the times. >> reporter: the first time we have seen him publicly go after her and it is different because dr. fauci when the president attacking him, the office is not in the west wing but dr. birx is and calling the performance pathetic offering blunt warnings of the u.s. outbreaks saying rural areas are not immune and people in large households need to be wearing a mask potentially and the president says he believes she only made those comments because the house speaker nancy pelosi has been criticizing dr. birx for not being forthcoming enough she says and making comments like this one she did today on cnn.

deborah birx. is more widespread now than when it first took hold in the united states earlier in the year. president trump continues to champion hydroxychloroquine even as his experts say there's solid evidence that it simply doesn't work. listen. >> the overwhelming evidence of properly conducted randomized control trials indicate no therapeutic efficacy for hydroxychloroquine. >> at first hydroxychloroquine looked very promising. there were not the definitive studies. at this point in time, there's been controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. so at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment. >> we know in the randomized controlled trials to date and there's been several of them, that there's not evidence that it improves those patients' outcomes. >> joining us now the former u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy. thanks for joining us. why is the president continuing to push hydroxychloroquine even as his own medical experts, you just heard three of

birx. by that time dr. birx had already laid out a more candid picture than she ever had while defending herself against the house speaker. >> and she called her response pathetic. you also asked dr. birx about whether it was time for a reset on the coronavirus response. i want you and our viewers to listen to how she replied. >> i think the federal government reset about five to six weeks ago when we saw this starting to happen across the south. and that's why we've done these very rather than generic federal framework, we've gone to very specific state and local city by city, county by county showing which counties and which cities are under particular threat and what mitigation has to be done. >> but, dana, have we seen any shift at all, any substantive shift at all from the president where it matters? >> not really, no. i mean, if you look back now i guess two, three weeks, he said it's okay to wear a mask, and it's pa itotic to wear a mask, though he has not actually done as he has said. he's only said

birx. she said what we are seeing today is different from march and april, that it is extraordinarily widespread. she pointed out it's into rural and urban areas. well, what the president just said about dr. birx as we came on tonight. and the numbers here. more than 155,000 american lives now lost. today marked the first day of school for some children in georgia, but in one school district alone, nearly 300 teachers and staff are out sick, either infected by the virus or exposed to it. abc's steve osunsami from night. >> reporter: in the middle of this pandemic, it is back to school today for the adamus family in paulding county, georgia, and for many families across the country whose school systems have in-person instruction. >> i tried not to cry. that was hard. >> reporter: here the kids aren't required to wear masks, but the adamus children are wearing them anyway. >> i'm suiting under this. i don't know how a 5-year-old is going to be able to handle it. >> reporter: about an hour to

birx pathetic. this is a woman who spent 40 years of her life dealing with these kinds of issues, and he's referring to her as pathetic. and he constantly tries to undermine dr. fauci. >> you know, early on we were seeing hot spots in just a few places. we were seeing new york, and we were seeing seattle, los angeles being hit hard. but now hot spots are everywhere. so what we're seeing is that the behavior of people in every community really makes a difference. back in april, may, if you were in an area where there wasn't much disease, it didn't really matter what you did. but now it does. there's enough disease that as children try and go back to school, as businesses reopen, if everyone isn't wearing a mask and social distancing and hand washing, if we're not able to do testing in a way that's effective for contact tracing and for isolation, we're going to continue to see the numbers going up all across the country. >> what do we need to do right now -- what would you have liked to have heard dir

deborah birx.he wrath of nancy pelosi but now the president is calling her pathetic. she was in the group closest to the white house and president who was in his favor, delivering rosy optimistic news that the president embraced, but the tides have turned. our reporting shows the president has become increasingly frustrated with dr. birx, associates her with the failure of his administration's handling of the pandemic and she's being pushed further and further out from the inner circle of the decision process that's happening in the white house between, you know, chief of staff mark meadows and jared kushner. not only that, but her credibility is taking a big hit amongst activists and medical professionals who have worked with her throughout her three-decades-long career. >> jackie alemany with the "washington post." thank you. >>> still ahead, governor cuomo's rebuke of the president's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. your first look at "morning joe" is back in a moment. k at "morni" is back

birx's words. jeremy, the house speaker today said in no uncertainly terms she does not have confidence in dr. deborah birx. >> reporter: just a few days ago speaker pelosi reportedly told white house officials that she believed dr. birx was spreading disinformation and made clear she did not have confidence in her. today speaker pelosi was asked to respond to that report and dr. birx also responding. listen. >> i think the president is spreading disinformation about the virus, and she is his appointee. so i don't have confidence there, no. >> i have tremendous respect for the speaker. i have respect for her long dedication to the american people. i have never been called policy ana-ish or non-scientific or non-data driven. i will stake my 40-year career on the fundamental principles of utilizing data to implement better programs to save more lives. >> reporter: now, we should know there is no evidence to back up speaker pelosi's claims that dr. birx has spread disinformation. in fact she's been on

birx' space is in the west wing. she is the person who actually meets with the president on a near daily basis a few times a week to talk out what is going on with covid-19. it makes it more awkward for the two of them and for the president to be calling her pathetic on twitter and the way that he was. so it really determined -- remains to be seen i guess you should say how this affects this going forward. as the president is downplaying the severity in the u.s. and as you saw him talking at the briefing they are ramping up testing in the west wing. it is no longer just the people who meet with the president. there is now mandatory, random testing for the staff in the west wing. >> all right. thank you very much. i am still shocked it has taken them this long. those people could come into contact with anybody who comes into contact with the president. thank you. >>> i want to go to dr. sanjay gupta and dr. jonathan reiner cardiac katherine lab director at gw and of course ad vietzd the white house team under presiden

birx is now drawing the ire of her boss. president trump tweeting, so crazy nancy pelosi said horrible things about dr. birx going after her because she was too positive on the very good job we are doing in order to counter nancy deborah took the batd and hit us, pathetic. as for the president claiming to have done such a good job here's what that looks like. see how the case numbers rose starkly in july. we could be hitting the 5 million case milestone by the end of this week and then california topping half a million cases alone, more than any other state but there they be good news. on a treatment. as one company moves into phase three of a clinical trial on an antibody treatment. eli lilly is focusing the trials in nursing homes and facilities. happening right now on capitol hill, negotiations between top democrats and the white house on a new coronavirus stimulus package have just started back up again. both sides say they're nowhere close to a deal. and as they dig in this millions of americans are suffering. the $600

>>and either the president or you doctor birx to want to respond. >>i have tremendous respect for the speaker. i have terror suspect for her long dedication to the american people doctor birx continued was saying that she believes recent media reports in accurately painted her. >>in a negative light. it was unfortunate that new york times wrote this article without speaking to me i could have brought forth the data i provide data every single day with that analysis the day that they're talking about that i was quote. >>polly anish it said there was improvement in the new york metro. but ongoing cases in boston and chicago a new outbreak in houston and full logarithmic spread and new concerning operates in baltimore, new haven and and washington d c. this was not a pollyanna should i have never been called poly and ash are non scientific or not data driven and i will stake my 40 year career on those fundamental principles of utilizing data to really implement better programs to save more lives to recess stasio kron 4 news. >>the virus pandemic is hav

birx looking pained. or that rose garden news conference in march when she held up the chart about quick terroristing and drive their -- drive thru options. she has done a lot to bolster this president. but as jeff sessions can tell you, a lot with this president is never enough. it is ironic because less than 24 hours before the president's tweet it was his white house who said you shouldn't attack dr. birx. okay. that is an okay target. this is from one of the top figures in the communication department. it is deeply responsible of speaker ploes telosi to try to undermine and discredit dr. birx and it is also just wrong. period. hard stop. do not undermine and create public distrust in dr. birx. period. hard stop mr. president. no there is no new phase for the president. for the country, yeah. higher case counts, almost 231,000 dead predicted by november. the president seems to think things are going well. like many health officials like in california screaming for something to be done. >> there was no

birx. in that one, she talked about what she called the new phase of the virus. >> but i want to be very clear. what we're seeing today is different from march and april. it is extraordinarily widespread. it's into the rural, as equal, urban areas. >> now, we don't know, specifically, which part of the interview the president saw, or even if he did ultimately see it. maybe somebody showed it to him some time after his golf match or golf playing. all we know is a day later, after house speaker pelosi criticizing dr. birx behind closed doors, the president tweeted this, this morning. quote. so crazy nancy pelosi said horrible things about dr. deborah birx. going after her because she was too positive on the very good job we are doing on combatting the china virus, including vaccines and therapeutics. in order to counter nancy, deborah took the bait and hit us. pathetic. he's saying she, quote, hit us. meaning, she talked, seriously, about what this country is facing. the president sees that a

birx. >> what dr.birx was referring to was the prevalence now in the united states as a nation, particularly in some of the states that are having surging of infection, is what's called inherent community spread. it's much more difficult to get your arms around that and contain it. it's insidious. there are people who are spreading who have no symptoms at all. that's what she meant by a different phase of where we're going right now because it isn't easily identifiable who these spreaders are. >> as all of that unfolds, trump is now facing new legal troubles as he fights to keep his financial records out of the hands of the manhattan district attorney. the d.a.'s office suggested in a new court filing today, it was investigating, quote, alleged insurance and bank fraud by the trump organization and its officers, the president being one of those officers. also refers to public reports of possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the trump organization. that signals a significantly broader in

birx now joining him? what is going on. >> reporter: this is the first time, brooke, that we've seen the president publicly attack dr. birx in this way. and it is a little bit different than his sustained attacks on dr. fauci, because dr. fauci's office is not in the west wing. he's over at nih and he has to drive to get over to the west wing and so there were reports of he and the president not running into each other. dr. birx briefs the res regularly on updates of what is going on with covid-19. so it does put her in this awkward position that the president is saying the only reason she was offering blunt warnings about coronavirus is because of those criticisms from house speaker nancy pelosi which we should note that dr. birx pushed back on those criticisms. she said she's never been accused of being pollyana-ish or data driven during her time in the field and pushing back while also offering the blunt warnings. so it is interesting to see where this goes from here. earlier when the president was aske

deborah bi birx.. >> madam speaker, politico reported that in a closed meeting on friday, you accused dr. deborah birx of the task force spreading disinformation about the pandemic. is that true? and do you have confidence in her? >> i think the president is spreading disinformation about the virus, and she is his appointee. i don't have confidence there, no. >> jeremy diamond joins us at the white house. we heard dr. birx saying she's seeing some reassuring signs across the country. >> reporter: let's be clear, she said a bit reassuring and some of the positive signs. she was specifically talking about the west and the south of the country, where you are starting to see the mitigation efforts work, which is the words she used. talking about a decrease in test positivity rates and cases, hospital seays in states like arizona, for example, but to be clear, the broad picture that dr. birx painted this morning is concern. shepped emdemocrat ecis more widespread than in the past. she talked specifically t

>>and either the president or you doctor birx to want to respond. >>i have tremendous respect for the speaker. i have terror suspect for her long dedication to the american people doctor birx continued was saying that she believes recent media reports in accurately painted her. >>in a negative light. it was unfortunate that new york times wrote this article without speaking to me i could have brought forth the data i provide data every single day with that analysis the day that they're talking about that i was quote. >>polly anish it said there was improvement in the new york metro. but ongoing cases in boston and chicago a new outbreak in houston and full logarithmic spread and new concerning operates in baltimore, new haven and and washington d c. this was not a pollyanna should i have never been called poly and ash are non scientific or not data driven and i will stake my 40 year career on those fundamental principles of utilizing data to really implement better programs to save more lives to recess stasio kron 4 news. >>in san francisco, a volun

>>and either the president or you doctor birx to want to respond.respect for the speaker. i have terror suspect for her long dedication to the american people doctor birx continued was saying that she believes recent media reports in accurately painted her. >>in a negative light. it was unfortunate that new york times wrote this article without speaking to me i could have brought forth the data i provide data every single day with that analysis the day that they're talking about that i was quote. >>polly anish it said there was improvement in the new york metro. but ongoing cases in boston and chicago a new outbreak in houston and full logarithmic spread and new concerning operates in baltimore, new haven and and washington d c. this was not a pollyanna should i have never been called poly and ash are non scientific or not data driven and i will stake my 40 year career on those fundamental principles of utilizing data to really implement better programs to save more lives to recess stasio kron 4 news. >>the coronavirus is having a big impact on fami

birx last week. when questioned about it, pelosi didn't back down. >> i think the president is spreading disinformation about the virus and she is his -- she is his appointee. so i don't have confidence there, no. >> i have tremendous respect for the e tremendous respect for her long dedication to the american people and i think it was unfortunate that "new york times" wrote this article without speaking to me. i have never been called polyannish or nonscientific or data driven. i will stake my 40 year career on the fundamental principles of utilizing data to utilize data to implement programs to save lives. >> joining me is dr. ali khan. he's the dean of the university of nebraska's college of public health. thank you for being with us, doctor. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> white house coronavirus task force coordinator dr. deborah birx warned americans that the coronavirus is more widespread than ever in both rural and urban areas. not only did she insist that everyone wear a mask in public,

>>and either the president or you doctor birx to want to respond. >>i have tremendous respect for the speaker. i have terror suspect for her long dedication to the american people doctor birx continued was saying that she believes recent media reports in accurately painted her. >>in a negative light. it was unfortunate that new york times wrote this article without speaking to me i could have brought forth the data i provide data every single day with that analysis the day that they're talking about that i was quote. >>polly anish it said there was improvement in the new york metro. but ongoing cases in boston and chicago a new outbreak in houston and full logarithmic spread and new concerning operates in baltimore, new haven and and washington d c. this was not a pollyanna should i have never been called poly and ash are non scientific or not data driven and i will stake my 40 year career on those fundamental principles of utilizing data to really implement better programs to save more lives to recess stasio kron 4 news. >>back here in california a

birx. president trump calls the head of his coronavirus task force pathetic after she saysthe pandemic is extraordinarily widespread. stun nog body cam video, the moments leading up to george floyd's death. never-before heard audio, floyd's pleas for help. a mother's heart break, a federal judge speaks out for the first time after her son was murdered and her husband shot three times in an attack targeting her. >> my family has experienced a pain that no one should ever have to endure. >> o'donnell: tonight, the last conversation the judge had with her 20-year-old son. gruesome new details in the case of two missing idaho children. what we're learnrning tonight about how police found their remains on the stepfather's property. and, finally tonight, kindness in a time of adversity. how teenagers are helping senior citizens survive the pandemic tonight. thank you. let's get the forecast now. cbs's lonnie quinn is following the h carolina. >> o'donnell: and the winds where you are in new york.

deborah birx saying that the u.s. is in this new phase of the pandemic. you've been analyzing all of the reams of data coming in since february. what makes this phase new and different in your view in a nutshell? >> well, when this started, this was primarily on the coasts, these infections in washington state, california, now, big airports, people coming in from overseas. and now it's started to spread. we seen it in the south obviously. where i am in georgia, florida, texas, arizona. but it's mainly been in very populated cities even within those states. now you're starting to see it spread more into the rural areas. and significantly. the graph tells the story. the question is are all these waves going to come down and stay down or are they going to keep having this sort of rollercoaster effect in different parts of the country at different times? >> right. and, you know, we heard from dr. birx about this idea that the u.s. has hit this reset on the pandemic five to six weeks ago. it's hard to imagine that when you look at graphs like that, dr. gupta,

birx, a sharp contrast to president trump's more optimistic predictions. today the president went on the attack nbc's geoff bennett is at the white house. >> reporter: president trump tonight taking a swip at dr. deborah birx, coordinator of the white house coronavirus response the president apparently targeting birx in a tweet for her response to criticism from house speaker nancy pelosi who questioned her credibility. >> i think the president is spreading disinformation about the virus. and she is his -- she is his appointee so i don't have confidence there, no. >> i have never been called pollyannish or nonscientific or non-data drive. i will stake my 40-year career on fundamental principles of utilizing data to really implement better programs to save lives. >> reporter: in the same interview birx warned the pandemic is extraordinarily widespread in the u.s. the president lashing out, in order to counter nancy deborah took the bait and hit us pathetic the president's democratic rival joe biden weighing in. it's hard to believe this has to be said but i

birx actually disagreed just today. dr. birx also now says that if there is active community spread of the disease, schools should not reopen. >> if you have high case load and active community spread just like we're asking people not to go to bars, not to have household parties, not to create large spreading events, we're asking people to distance learn at this moment so we can get this epidemic under control. >> but as you can see in another tweet from the president this morning, he wants schools open everywhere, exclamation point, and it also must be noted e continues to push the completely misguided claim that more testing is the only reason for the number of -- number of confirmed cases being up, being on the rise, being huge in this country. that is simply not true, and he has been told that. let's get to it. joining me right now is our senior medical examiner. first it was 4-h and now it's dr. birx, trump saying that she took the bait and calling it pathetic in what she said on the show with dana bash just yesterday

birx, we'll be fine. >> i told dr. birx i think we are doing very well.as in my office a little while ago. she's a person i have a lot of respect for. i think nancy pelosi's treated her very badly, very, very badly, very nasty. >> nancy pelosi has said she doesn't trust her. the president called her pathetic because he was not happy that she said that the virus is spreading and she said in places where it is spreading in some places you have to keep schools closed. >> reporter: yeah. john, basically he argued he thought the reason she was saying that, giving that blunt assessment of the outbreak in the u.s. is as a direct response to nancy pelosi criticizing her and saying that she was enabling the president to spread misinformation. we're told by sources that dr. birx was stung by that comment about her where the president called her performance pathetic and been warned something that could happen and everyone has seen what happened with the president and dr. fauci and contradicting other officials in the administration but one thing we were told that th

deborah birx, the white house's coronavirus task force coordinator. she made clear this epidemic in the united states currently is extremely widespread, making clear that it's not just happening in the urban areas where we saw the early days of this pandemic, but also in rural communities. and she gave a message specifically to those rural communities encouraging them to practice those mitigation efforts. listen to her warning about the seriousness of the situation in the united states. >> we are in a new phase, and that's why i really wanted to make it clear to the american people, it's why we started putting out governor reports directly to the health officials and to the governors in every single state because we could see that each thing had to be tailored. this epidemic right now is different, and it's more widespread and it's both rural and urban. >> reporter: now, dr. birx did say that she is seeing something that is, quote, a bit reassuring, and that is the notion that it appears cases in the west and the south may be beginning to plateau or e

birx said. there is uncontrolled spread. >> the pandemic is not under control despite the president's claim. >> the data can tell you if you are winning or losing against the virus. unfortunately, right now the virus is winning in jackson county. >> reporter: early gains given way to spikes in san francisco. >> people have complacency. they are not scared of what is going on. >> reporter: and while there are some bright spots, there are declines in you arizona and florida. but many states, shown in yellow, are plateauing at a high level. >> i think this will make us wish we were back in the old days. >> reporter: deaths are rising in these 27 states. arkansas and west virginia seeing record hospitalizations. atlanta's world congress center, now a surge hospital, again. >> it saddens me that we are still headed into the wrong direction so many months after we had an opportunity to get on the other side of covid-19. >> reporter: in georgia, the largest school district, 260 employees can't work bec

birx because she's a trump appointee. the president then tweeted thatby essentially gave in to pelosi, pathetic he called dr. birx on twitter again at odds with one of his own top health experts. one of his other experts, dr. fauci coming tos rescue >> particularly in some of the states that are having surging of infections is what's called inherent community spread. it's much more difficult to get your arms around that and contain it >> meantime, we are watching what's what happening on capitol hill as they try to work out something to bring back those $600 a week unemployment payments the negotiations are going well, democrats say and both sides are understanding where the other side comes from but they're making a little progress there that's the same story we heard from mitch mcconnell he says the vibe he's getting from democrats is my way or the highway. >> a lot of people are going to be out of a lot of money thank you. >>> more than 18 million people around the world have been infected with coronavirus. on arch tha

deborah birx. she said months into the pandemic the virus is hitting hard and the public has to cooperate to help stop it. a dire warning from white house coronavirus response coordinator dr. deborah birx, america has entered a new phase of the pandemic >> what we're seeing today is different from march and april it is extraordinarily widespread and to everybody who lives in a rural area you're not immune or protected from this virus. >> reporter: it's crucial for people in all parts of the country to follow safety precautions including this guidance on masks. >> if you're a multi-generational household and there's an outbreak in your rural area or city you need to consider wearing a mask at home assuming you're positive >> reporter: in california where the donald trump toll topped 9300 doctors are pleading take this seriously >> our right not to wear a mask. a grocery clerk should not have to fight a grown man to wear a mask that's not their job they shouldn't have to do that >> reporter: as distr

birx, helpful?all it the practice of medicine for a reason, and surgery can be a success and the patient still dies. those are the two things that my father told me growing up. i have no idea the politics of dr. birx or fauci. i'm thinking about remember when nancy pelosi said you cannot in any way, shape, or form critique vindman, because he wore a military uniform, respect dr. birx for wearing the uniform and being smart enough to be a medical doctor. i don't expect her to be perfect. i will settle for being honest and fair and i think that deborah birx has been that from the very first time i saw her. nancy pelosi really owes dr. birx an apology. i understand that she does not like the president, that's fine, but don't dragon people who have served the country in uniform and someone who is as apolitical from my standpoint as she can possibly be. that would be deborah birx. >> dana: trey gowdy, always a pleasure to have you. love your podcast too. >> thank you, yes, ma'am. it's going to have a big

deborah birx on cnn's "state of the union." quote, if you have high case load and active community spread we are asking people to distance learn at this moment to get the pandemic under control. she says if you have a lot of cases if you have the active virus in your state, well, school buildings should stay closed for now and kids should do distance learning until community president is stopped. it's not a mandate from dr. birx or anything, but she's explaining this as a clear scientific principle. about how we should think about whether schools should open, how we should think about what criteria should make decisions about schools opening. this is her telling us how we should think about schooling and whether or not kids are remote learning. you can't open schools unless your case numbers are wide down. that's dr. deborah birx speaking, you would think, on behalf of the white house. but then here's the president at 11:30 last night, all caps, open the schools! that's his reason, scientifically, his argument. open the schools

>>and either the president or you doctor birx to want to respond. >>i have tremendous respect for the speaker. i have terror suspect for her long dedication to the american people doctor birx continued was saying that she believes recent media reports in accurately painted her. >>in a negative light. it was unfortunate that new york times wrote this article without speaking to me i could have brought forth the data i provide data every single day with that analysis the day that they're talking about that i was quote. >>polly anish it said there was improvement in the new york metro. but ongoing cases in boston and chicago a new outbreak in houston and full logarithmic spread and new concerning operates in baltimore, new haven and and washington d c. this was not a pollyanna should i have never been called poly and ash are non scientific or not data driven and i will stake my 40 year career on those fundamental principles of utilizing data to really implement better programs to save more lives to recess stasio kron 4 news. >>and here's the president'

birx and fauci are in. officials are saying young people are driving the spike in cases there, and in response los angeles' health department is banning parties, banning gatherings and threatening even more really unprecedented and drastic steps if people don't abide and people don't listen. let's bring in cnn's stephanie elam joining me now from los angeles. stephanie, what exactly are officials saying and what exactly is happening there? >> reporter: well, we've seen it just in this last week, kate, that people are feeling like they were not going to be touched by this virus, and that's just not the case. we saw two parties that happened indoors, people also close together, looking like most of them not wearing basks and because of this we're hearing from the mayor of los angeles eric gerretsy saying he's going to act. take a listen to what he plans on doing. >> these large house parties have essentially become night clubs. i'm authorizing the city to shut off los angeles department of water and power ser

deborah birx said late today, what she wishes the u.s. had done, pointing to another country that was hit hard. here's abc's tom llamas. >> reporter: tonight, a stunning reversal at one of the country's top universities. unc chapel hill announcing after just one week of school, a covid outbreak is forcing them to cancel in-person classes. >> there's a lot of college students here who, you know, choose not to wear their mask and who choose to go to parties and i think we kind of knew that ahead of the game that that was something that was going to happen. however, unc chose to reopen anyway. >> reporter: the apparent challenge facing some universities, when students return to campus, so do the parties. like this crowded offcampus gathering near north carolina state in raleigh. the university looking into the situation. and the administration at the university of north georgia warning students after scenes like this near campus. and now, an entire oklahoma state university sorority house in quarantine after nearly two dozen members tested p

deborah birx. dr. birx expressed new concerns about nine cities and california's central valley because of dangerous increases she says in positivity rates. that list includes plor, atlanta, chicago, washington, d.c. the death toll across the country, rising by nearly 1,400 in the last 24 hours. that's the second straight day we've seen numbers like that. nearly 160,000 americans have been killed in this pandemic. >> reporter: and dr. anthony fauci says we may never fully eradicate coronavirus. that assessment contradicts the president, who continues to believe that the virus will magically, quote, go away. though that did not happen in april, as he predicted. and for the first time, facebook removed a post from the president's page because it was spreading dangerous misinformation about coronavirus. >> joining us now, dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. dr. fauci, thanks so much for getting up this morning and being with us. it's always a pleasure

birx, you mentioned deaths.he former fda leader said the coronavirus death toll could double to 300,000 deaths by the end of the year. do you think that is possible? >> anything is possible if we don't have -- you know, public health is called public health because it has a public component. we need all of the public to help us get us control of this virus. if we still are going to parties at home, even though the bars are closed, if we are creating interactions where we know it's not safe because there is multiple people there and you don't have masks on and you're not socially distanced, it's not super spreading individuals, it's super spreading events and we need to stop those. we definitely need to take more precautions. >> so you have models and projections. what is your projection when it comes to deaths by the end of the year on the course we are on now? >> it depends completely, completely on the red states, those states across the south and the west, maintaining and accelerating their mitigation efforts

birx's upcoming road tour. >> next week dr. birx will be visiting iowa, nebraska, kansas, missouri, oklahoma and arkansas. and also i believe trying to get in west virginia, a great state, i'm sure that will happen. we'd like it to happen. they'd like to see her. going to try to get the doctor to west virginia and other states to deliver aggressive, tailored and targeted guidance. >> bears repeating, this is not a live nation tour of outdoor concert venues with birx merch for sale as you enter. if your state is on the list of this road trip by dr. birx, it's probably not a great thing, she's been going to regions it's been spiking. what do you think is going on other than the social media drop line that he's happily sending her out on the road? >> i was talking to the white house about this today, it's part of what they're calling their embers tour. which is exactly right. she's sent out not just to places where it's spiking but also where they're expecting the next wave. you're absolutely right, if you are getting a visit from

birx, dr., the surgeon general, everyone is singing the same tune except for the political ratives at the white house. unfortuna fortunately there's progress. so something is happening. the message is getting across. and even trump has at least articulated the necessity of the masks, although based on some recent behavior is not exactly living up to it. >> as you write in your book, it's really ab amazing book, it killed maybe 50 million, 100 million people worldwide. were there the same kind of political divisions then here in the united states that we're seeing now? >> they weren't partisan. remember, we were at war. the result was similar in that the woodrow wilson administration, because they were concerned that telling the truth about the virus would hurt moral and the war effort, so they lied. the thing is that disease was more lethal than this one. people very quickly recognized they were being lied to, which led to really chaos. we're having more chaos than we should have because of a w

deborah birx. she's now getting the same treatment. and with over 157,000 americans dead, with us steaming toward 5 million infections, millions more infections than any other country on earth, the increasing chaos and incoherence and incompetence at the white house matters in life and death terms. i mean it matters for the overall numbers of americans dead and sick and unemployed and infected and scared. it also matters to every single american family that right now is trying to figure out if they're going to be working and if their kids are going to be in school. i mean here's dr. deborah birx. like her or don't, right, she's the head doctor on the white house's coronavirus response team. here's dr. deborah birx on cnn's state of the union on sunday. quote. if you have high caseload and active community spread, we are asking people to distance learn at this moment so we can get this epidemic under control. she's saying if you have a lot of cases, if you have the active spread of the virus in your

birx.hen we heard admiral gerard saying, if ebb juverybody just a mask and social distances, we're not going to have to worry about another lockdown. there is a slight gap in those two responses we're hearing from both of these officials on the task force. what really needs to be done at this point, because to john's point, i'm not sure what the reset was five to six weeks ago. >> you have to do more than just wear masks and keep social distance. you have to minimize your contact with as many people as possible. and if you do have to work, you have to assure that the workplace is safe and you can work safely of at a distance and protected, while you work. those are the two most important things that you can do, in addition to wearing masks and keeping your 6-foot distance. just don't meet many people. meet as few people as you can. it's not that complicated, but it is hard to do alcohol psychologically, it's hard to do sociologically, and it's extremely hard to do for young people who have

birx?> well, you know, if we had done that at that time, even for a few weeks, wolf, we'd be in a very, very different position right now. so, she's right. the models have sort of demonstrated that. we saw what's happened in italy, and, frankly, the european union as a whole in terms of their numbers versus our numbers. so the infection continued to spread. if you go back and look at just how locked down were we in the united states, probably 50% of where italy was. on a more optimistic note we've learned a lot about this virus. we know, for example, that if 95% of the country just simply wore masks at this point, it would start to bend this curb downward and save tens of thousands of lives. we're not anywhere close to where italy was, and we're not even doing across the board the more basic things like universal mask wearing, not even in some campuses and schools. >> the numbers if you compare the numbers in europe and the numbers here in the united states or south korea, for that matter,

birx over the weekend wem, emphasizio dana that rural areas are at risk. but as we heard last week and learned more about these tailored responses that the task force is putting out, giving them to governors, a lot of them did include recommendations to close bars. and she talked about it. two of the states that stick out, tennessee and kentucky, taking those recommendations very differently, which i think to your point, andy, really underscores that the lack of a national plan means there is no follow-through, necessarily, on even those scientific recommendations. >> i think it's going to be an interesting case study to see what happens between tennessee and kentucky. i think, you know, they're being very careful to say, we have a pandemic, but don't do anything that harms economic activity. so they will not call for things that will hurt, what is perceived to be a better jobs report if the president. so sththey have not made this t most important thing in my opinion. so the fact that she says wear masks at home tells us that she knows this is serious. th

birx said we reached another phase. the virus now everywhere. >> it is extraordinarily widespread. >> including rural areas. why she says some americans should wear masks inside their own homes. >>> deadlock, the stalemate on capitol hill over extending unemployment benefits and the new push to send out another round of $1200 checks. >>> and splashdown, the historic return to earth today. >> splashdown. >> the american astronauts with cosmic plunge that hasn't been attempted in 45 years. >> announcer: this is "nbc nightly news" with kate snow >> good evening from the east coast to west coast. two natural disasters are making life even more difficult as those same areas battle coronavirus outbreaks. in southern california it's a wildfire their homes. in florida tonight it's a tropical storm, strengthening slightly tonight getting ready to move north. the governor of north carolina warning that during the pandemic, your home has been the safest place but that might change we begin tonight with kerry sanders in satellite b

deborah birx on the white house coronavirus task force. she said sunday we're in a new phase of the pandemic with the virus extraordinarily widespread. what did you take away from her statement? >> well, one of the comments that dr. birx mentioned was that initially three, four months ago, the virus was spreading mainly in large urban cities such as new york city or seattle. and now several months later we're seeing that the virus is now widespread in both urban as well as rural communities. i think it shows that we can't say that anyone is immune to the spread and as a nation we need to come together to work together towards the safety and precautions that can help limit the spread of the virus. >> there's new research out this morning on public transportation. studies in europe and asia suggest that riding public buses and subways may not be a major source of transmission for this virus. your thoughts on this research? >> well, kenneth, it's all a matter of relative risk. i think it's also important to recognize the environment that thes