caitlin jenner, mike huckabee, and bob costa. brace yourself for the culture wars after this. ♪ mark: our guest tonight, bob costa joins us about a story he wrote in the paper and on the web with bill rutger, his talented colleague about a topic we have been talking about, the culture wars. we talked about the reverberations of the story. you talk about the republican conflict over the jenner story. what is the tension and how roiling is it? bob: going to them for comment almost all of them started in e-mail saying, off the record. no one is really weighing in even the activist, they want the conservative and republicans candidates to say something. carroll: why not? they cannot dodge this forever. and everyone you talk to, who has come the closest to figuring out how to thread this needle? bob: the problem for these candidates is they all acknowledge privately and sometimes publicly that they don't want to fight the culture war. they know that the republican base is almost a sleeping bear that they don't want to wake up if they

during graduation a seat was left empty in her honor. >>> nbc sportscaster bob costas a ripping espnr the arthur ash courage award. >> i wish caitlyn jenner all the peace and happiness in the world. however, it strikes me that awarding the arthur ash award to caitlyn jenner is just a krascrass exploitation play. >> he says they could have found someone who was actively involved in sports who would have been deserving of what that award meant. >> hatfield who is gavey says he admired jenner's courage. >> she's amazing. >>> out in los angeles, a serious case of road rage. you watch it here. two men in two cars first getting out and exchanging words. then things escalate. one man nearly hit by a van. and a few seconds later the guy jumps in the car. he speeds off before others could jump in. so far no charges on this case. in florida an amazing rescue. a tv news crew caught it a car on fire after the driver lost control and hit some trees. the state trooper jumped into action punched out the passenger window and got the driver out. it turned out the man shouldn't have been driving. he h

bob costas is upset about it. what is your reaction to this? bob costas because see says there are better candidates. i was crying when i watched that interview. i felt sorry for bruce jenner. i'm glad bruce jenner is now caitlyn if that make herself happy, because she was struggling so much. however, i do think -- you've got noah galloway that iraq vet that lost his arm fighting forcountry, lost his leg as well. >> reaction from tammy? >> this is like barack obama getting the nobel peace prize, okay? >> why do you say that? you have to think of context when it comes to the other people. a young woman playing basketball with brain cancer who has died. he should get an award for courage for coming out as a republican. because when you look at the international reaction -- >> did you see diane sawyer's reaction to the interview? >> this guy has been lauded and embraced. this has not been a tough framework. and look women go through something tough every day. in this kind of an instance i think jenner could also refuse the award for these reasons.

. >> i think bob costas is exactly right. this is all about money.ng jenner on the cover, all these magazines, all these stories. i just think, you know what? people again this is so p.c. we're being progressive about this. no. i think you're just shutting down arguments and making people feel like you got to buy into this. and it's all about making money for these media organizations. >> making money. >> i have to say i'm tired of the reality star driving of the news. because you could do that almost every night now so they get the reality show then the news coverage about their reality show. in this case i would like to have a right not to have an opinion. i don't want to have to care about everything. but what jerry seinfeld was talking about in terms of the mob mentality, p.c. mentality, that extends to something like this where you have to have a particular opinion and they wantv you to express it or else then you are also a sexist racist whatever, bigot. >> you know what it is. you have to pick a side right? if you don't have an opinion in this

bob costas weighs in. >>> survivor.the 16-year-old who lost his arm after coming face to face with a shark this week opens up about that horrific

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louis cardinals, with us now, bob costas. nals are the gold standard for organization. pujols won the world series next year. one pitcher hurt after another. did the organization keep replenishing itself. there is really not a close second. >> there is a feel good vibe around the cardinals and it's a -- >> that's what makes it shocking. >> that's what makes it so shocking, isn't it? >> yeah, especially if as michael schmitt laid it out and has it perfectly he's the guy that broke the story, after all if it goes higher up the pyramid, it's going to be a big, big deal. >> how likely is that? john lacked the general manager and bill dewitt the primary own rer ethical people. do they look -- are they ruthless competitors in a certain sense? everyone in sports has to be. but are they unethical? i haven't found them be. >> what is the difference between this and stealing signs? >> stealing signs is not only low tech but it's gamesmanship. if you steal signs with binoculars or videotape that, is beyond the pale. >> so let me just say

watch bob costa's call. >> here it is the 37-year wait is over.rican pharaoh has won the triple crown! >> it was victor espinosa's third try. >> janice was actually there? >> what was it like? >> it was magic. i was there for california chrome last year and i think it was the most exciting 2 1/2 minutes of sports history. it's collective you are holding your breath when they start. i had read that american pharaoh was a little bit late getting out of the gate but then he took an early lead and then we just knew as he was getting progressively further ahead of the other horses that he was going to win and everybody was just like there were tears inspect people's eyes. there were a lot of people who wanted to witness history, 37 years since the last triple crown, and it was just magical. everybody is there in their finest outfits and they are all in a good mood. >> were you wearing a pink hat? >> it was red. >> bob behalf -- baffert was the trainer. >> the jockey here who rode california chrome last year he had a big disappointment. this was huge fo

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bob costas is not happen which espn.t or says caitlin jenner does not deserve a major award at the espees this year. >> ♪ shake is off ♪ >> alex, that's a school in our area. >> that's right. they got taylor swift's attention, what the star tweeted about these scenes coming up. >> will we'll tell you which high school this is, coming up. >> ♪ >> i'm looking at this facebook, my daughter and her husband been in italy for two weeks, kind of getting annoying. posting pictures. >> you're gel us? >> i'm jealous of my own child. >> well go, to italy. you should join them. >> they're in florence right now. >> beautiful. >> i've never been to florence. it is number one tourist destination in the world. >> that's right. >> florence. >> let's talk about bob costas, i like that guy, been following him for years. >> ripping espn for its decision to give caitlin jenner the arthur ashe courage award at this year's espees. >> and he's not holding his tongue. yeah, holding your tongue. >> he's not holding it. >> why he is against this d

but, no i think they are wrestling with what to make of it as bob costas said. different in nature if it's just a couple of low level guys operating in a rogue fashion. i think the key question is whether any of the high-ranking officials, not only did they authorize this but did they just know about it. if they knew about what was going on that could lead to serious legal exposure. >> so they have a win-loss record of 43-21. i probably don't need to tell you that as you are well aware. it's the best record in major league baseball. so how much does this story give a black eye during the season? >> well let's pause for a moment to fully understand that there have been no formal charges filed yet, so if and when u.s. prosecutors decide to do that then i think that's when st. louis baseball fans and others can perhaps more fairly decide what the real meaning of this is. but in the short term i don't know that this is really going to affect this cardinal baseball season. >> said like a cardinals fan. jason stallman from "the new york times," jason, thanks so much.

. >> did you hear what bob costa said about caitlin? people are saying that i can't believe that you said that. >> he's getting an award for inspiration and for being a trail blazer. >> so here's a book right? you've got the book right here. that's your coloring book. and, also you have a new one-man place. adds we said it opens on july 9th at the cherry lane theater right here in new york city. are you coming back? >> jerry is going to be mincing around the state for that one. thank you very much. >>> the cnn original series "the 70s" premiers tomorrow night at 9:00. burr first, here's your 70s minute. (music) boys? (music) stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0% apr plus a $1000 volkswagen credit bonus on 2015 passat tdi clean diesel models. the tripadvisor you've always trusted for reviews book! checks over 200 websites to find hotel savings up to 30%. book! book! ♪ ♪ so don't just visit tripadvisor... book! ...at tripadvisor. you used to sleep like a champ. then

bob costas here. you covered baseballer for decades and basketballer for decades. >> i have been around for decades. this is a big deal. >> a big storier for oakland. >> golden state was the best in the team. they had the best record in a strongerer western conference than east. it might have been a different outcome had irving and love speaking of the cavs not been hurt lebron carried them as far as he could on his back. not far enough. >> double duty this morning. >> there you have it. >> you can go back to bed. >> i have a cot in the dressing room. >> sheinelle is here for natalie with more on the balcony collapse in california. >> authorities are still trying to figure out what caused a balcony to break loose, killing six and seriously injuring seven others. some engineers say rotting wood is to blame. jacob rascon has the latest. >> reporter: the absolute shock is written all over their faces, remembering six friend s taken so suddenly. >> they were so full of energy so full of excitement. >> rep

bob costas still sitting here. you covered basketball for decades, a big deal. >> i've been around for decades. it's a good story for oakland. >> it is a tremendous story. golden state was the best team in the league over the kourgs of the season. they will had the best record in a much stronger western conference than east. it might have been a different outcome had irving, their second best player and kevin love, speaking of the cavs, not been hurt. lebron carried them as far as he could on their back but not far enough. >> double duty this morning. >> you can go back to bed now. >> thank you, so much. i have a cot in the dressing room. >> we have more on the balcony collapse in california. >> this morning authorities are still trying to figure out exactly what caused a balcony to break loose killing six people and seriously injuring seven others. some engineers say rotting wood is to blame. jacob rascon has the very latest. >> reporter: the absolute shock is written all over their faces, remembering six friends

>> it's going to be harriet tubman or bob costa. >> who is on first? >> bob costas. ere grow.you go. >> wow they got a $20. >> i think we need to start a costas movement. bob costas on the $10 bill. >> i love this change gning tatum's latest answered fan questions in the ask me anything questions. they asked him what would your super power be. you think maybe fly, visibility. he says he would like to be able to just point at somebody and make them naked. >> i bet he would. >> because he thinks that would make anybody not just for the reasons that everybody thinks but because people get really nice when they get naked. >> do they? >> i don't -- >> i haven't noticed that. >> channing tatum wants his super power to be able to make people naked. >> he has that power. >> thank you. >> very impressive. >> when asked what he would want to bring on a desert island. he said how about a magical seashell that is always filled with bourbon. and a magical palm tree that had me nut butter and jelly sandwiches and cheetos underneath. and his wife who is possibly happy and possibly n

that and you'll hear from bob costas on giving an award to caitlyn jenner. there's something out there. it's a highly contagious disease. it can be especially serious- even fatal to infants. unfortunately, many people who spread it may not know they have it. it's called whooping cough. and the cdc recommends everyone, including those around babies, make sure their whooping cough vaccination is up to date. understand the danger your new grandchild faces. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about you and your family getting a whooping cough vaccination today. >>> the whole thing with this racial stigma i don't believe that police officer came without the intent of throwing a 14-year-old girl down and starting this. this is not ferguson. this is not baltimore. this is not trayvon martin or michael brown or eric gardner or anything like that. this is an out of control pool party. >> that is the mckinney, texas resident. he is now receiving death threats for those remarks made on this program. is that what happens if you tell the truth, he saw the entire incident.

here is bob costas. >> it strikes me awarding the arthur ashe award to caitlyn jenner is a tabloid playanything against caitlyn jenner. i'm pretty sure they could have found someone who was much more, much closer to actively involved in sports. >> so this just in. he's just been fired by nbc news. that. >> is not true. >> for making a politically incorrect. >> what about me? can i get my job back sshsif that is the case? in a mostly white sport, he put up with the slings and arrows. other people who won this award, nelson mandela, an umpire shot trying to stop a robbery you. had jim valveta who tried to overcome cancer. muhammed ali standing up the three and a half years. >> but i looked at the qualifications to get this award. you have to possess strength of the face of adversity, courage in the face of peril. and the ability to stand up for your beliefs no matter what the costs. i think you can make a strong case she's done all that. >> right. or you could say what has bruce jenner here is a great guy now he's been on -- a great woman now. i met him as a guy and i'm sure he is just as

i don't like bob costas weighing in on guns i hate the idea the pope is weighing in on this. >> that'st we mean by catholics not weighing in. >> fossil fuels provide cheap fuel for people who are poor. >> in poverty. >> right. to move away from that before it's time could hurt them. >> he spoke to that eric. he said wait a second. he believes in renewable energy. he did say you may have to stay with some fossil fuel. let me say, gregg in response to you. popes have been talking about this issue since the 70s. >> they've always been wrong. >> they haven't been wrong. and i think the problem for you is that you put it in a box of pure politics left and right. the right are going to doubt this. left celebrate. what if the pope is simply saying this is god's creation. this is a green earth. we should do all we can to support god's green earth. is that so radical? >> to love up mother earth. >> is that some leftist idea? >> he has a marxist background. >> oh, my god. here we go. argentinian. a southern pope. >> i know he's a big guy. >> that is a bad idea to care about the earth? >> somebod

i was on with bob costas. he costas. he said, i think i should see it. i want you to see at 1st to read a way to react to it. we played the broadcast. bob was maybe the 1st time in his life speechless for about two minutes. i mean,, it was that moving. that is the kind of thing that keeps me going quite honestly. >> and you made the call. call. that was your job is managing editor and anchorman. >> right. i have this wine to the sports department. they like needed a serious essays. i been essays on canada sydney australia we found a guy who rescued john f. kennedy, pt 109. and then during the olympics in greece we found an african-american who should have won the middle of water during world war ii and did not. he lived in idaho. we put that on their. in this last olympics and made it look like i i was there, but we did the cosmonaut and the astronauts were together in the soviet us-based programs. dick and i are close and interest me. if i called and said its your call but we really should put this on in prime time. for him his whole idea teefive's sole

bob, we're looking long and tough for a long fire season here. >> scott and chris, one veteran firefighter tells me this morning this is the driest he's seen contra costa county in the 27 years we've been fighting fire even though this large fire in antioch is out, he's stim keeping his crews out here well into the evening because the risk is so great that it could flare back up again. >> the fire conditions are already extreme compared to normal rainfall. >> reporter: with temperatures expected to hit triple digits along with the possibility of afternoon winds, chief jim huncey spt taking chances. he's ordering for the rest of the day, six units patrol the 533 acres that burned in the regional park because what he witnessed yesterday alarmed him. >> it ranked up there with the faster moving vjation fires i've been on with the erratic wind directions, the fire was burning in about four different directions. you put the wind on it. as you can see behind us we had several homes threatened. >> yesterday's fire came so close it burned up against some fence lines and forced the evacuation of 100 homes. >> thank god for the firefighters, they saved us saved