what was your point -- bob gates talks about in his book how much he differed with joe biden. put them in context with what you saw. >> mr. gates was criticizing joe biden. biden, when he was a senator, seemed to buy in as early as 1998, to the notion that saddam hussein did have weapons of mass destruction and that some sort of forcible regime change -- in other words, the united states going in militarily and overthrowing him -- was an acceptable outcome. when scott ritter testified before him that, maybe the facts aren't so cut and dry, biden was very condescending towards him and called him scotty boy. i would have to say, gates's criticism is somewhat off the mark. a blind hog eventually finds an acorn. people eventually learn, after several years of the iraq war which he voted for, he started to rethink things. mr. biden, when he became vice president, he was not gung ho in favor of escalating in afghanistan. he wanted other solutions than that. for that resistance, bob gates says that joe biden has been long on every single foreign policy issue. as we saw in that clip, i

resistance, bob gates says that joe biden has been long on every single foreign policy issue. ip, if mr.that gates is saying he didn't know how he would have advocated on iraq, i think all the necessary information is in. if he is still being ambiguous on that, he is wrong. >> here is the video clip. it is a hearing, back with scott ritter in the chair, and joe biden being the chairman of the foreign relations committee. >> i recommend the president have at it and let the chips fall where they may. a reasonable position for the secretary of defense to take. thatpectfully suggest responsibility is slightly above your pay grade. to decide whether or not to take the nation to war alone, or to take the nation to war heart way , or to take the nation to war halfway. that is a real tough decision. that is why they get paid the big bucks. that is why they get the limos and you don't. i mean this sincerely. >> your reaction? >> i rest my case on the condescension. official who is relying on staff will listen to them, because they sometimes have that granular information that they pick

ongress or to go to the executive branch. >> we invited to you come talk that you wrote about the bob gates book. we'll get to that in a second. bob t to go back to the gates book and another quote -- >> i know you've read this book. what do you think of that characterization? >> occasionally that's true. wish he had cited more instances of that. ometimes executive branch fficials are very carefully trained and vetted and screened through murder boards that at their executive agencies not to tell things to congress and seem to be answering the question and not answering the question. certainly do not believe in of a technique of witness adgering or a joe mc carthy technique that the current senator from texas f-would you --ind his name >> ted cruz. use on d cruz would chuck hagel when he was a nominee leaving the inference insinuation he was somehow in the pay of iran or korea. that's something we don't need i would say hand,, problem is the other way. if it's an armed services hearing, rather than asking the ed questions about strategy, how long we're going working, if is it so, prove it,

to cede control of foreign policy to bob gates. >> gates is a good guy, but he is republican. >> exactly. >> and biden's policy has been validated this week. we're pulling out of afghanistan because of the conflict. >> he said i want to go any terrorist route not a counter insurgency. i know this is nuanced, but the president ended up going with biden. >> i think he can be a more convincing populist than hillary clinton can, frankly. >> yeah. >> partly because he isn't a guy who has made a lot of money at it. he is a life-long politician. he has taken the train back and forth to wilmington the whole time. he is in it for right reasons and hasn't gotten rich off of politics as the clintons have. let's face it. >> you know what i like about the democratic party besides a lot of beliefs? i like they like to have fights and fun. they don't go whose turn it is and get in line. >> what really impressed me about glenn's terrific story is the fact that joe biden was furious that a key money raising and strategic guy, jim messina, seemed to commit to hillary clinton. what joe biden is doing is tr

there's certainly a lot of room to the left of her on fornl policy. >> that's whi bob gates praises herant to ask about going back to 2008. you had fascinating back scenes deliberations over her big speech. this is the speech to the convention in 2008 in denver. she said she's been on the mock stage at the convention center bill delivered edits and ripped up the structure and added his own poetic flourishes but she was having none of it. the set of advises she hired from his 1996 campaign had proved disastrous, developing her message and strategy for the campaign. she was the one in the seat now. it's my speech she declared as she left to find bill. that's basically her taking ownership of her own destiny. >> she worked really hard to establish her own brand. i look at her and forget about him and that's the point. they are looking -- they have the same goal but they have different strategies of getting there. and i think that that's -- they are looking to sort of it -- will be interesting to see how they come together in 2016 and if he can help her the way he helped barack obama, for i

mike, author of the "party is over" and bob gates book "duty" farther the better because up

congressional staff member mike lofgren discusses his recent review of former defense secretary bob gatesmemoir along with his own book, titled "the party is over." >> mike lofgren, author of "the party is over," in bob gates' book, he writes congress is best viewed from a distance. the farther, the better. up close, it is truly ugly. how many years in your life did you spend working for congress? >> i spent 28 years in congress as a staff member, first as a personal staffer for congressman john kasich. then as a staffer for the budget committee, the house budget committee when he was chairman. i was the analyst for national security affairs. in 2005, i moved on to the senate and work at the budget committee there in the same capacity. >> what do you think of that statement? up close it is truly ugly. >> it generally is. i would want to temper that. it has been a long-time habit of everyone to criticize congress because they think that resonates with the public. it truly has become to some degree a horror show because of

with his own book, titled "the party is over." >> mike lofgren, author of "the party is over" and bob gatesbook, he writes congress is best viewed from a distance. the farther, the better. up close, it is truly ugly. how many years in your life d

is secretary bob gates tried to make a lot of these reforms when he was in office at the pentagon. he just came out with his memoir. when we talk about reform he was to convincerefit -- congress and get compensation through. it is difficult in this town, as you know better than anyone, to get a mr. congress. the pentagon has constituents in each state. state has the national guard, programs that they want to protect. everyone has a constituency that can lock a lot of these programs from being cut going forward. not myways say -- program. not my national guard. it makes it hard to get this stuff through. currently ane appetite in congress to accept these kinds of changes that secretary hagel wants to see? guest: this is the big question. everyone in congress says that they would understand that everyone needs to tighten their belts, but what you heard from a lot of constituencies yesterday was -- not my program. not my national guard. not my bases. this is where you get to the paralysis. it is difficult to find the constituencies to make this stuff come together. tom, brooksville, f

. >> it's something that to protect americans without doing what bob gates, bush and obama secretarynse said, you're not going to -- anybody recommend sending large numbers of american kids into third world countries ought to -- >> there's two other. >> and americans. >> we're killing americans oversea, we're killing untold numbers of innocent people including other people's children in those attacks and not being honest about how many we're killing, but also, michael, don't you think we're actually creating more terrorists with these drones than we're killing? >> no, you can make that argument with everything and anything. these terrorists are being created -- they're being raised from childhood in fact to be terrorists. they're learning how to wear bombs from their first birthday on. i mean, this is the reality of that area of the world. people like to believe that everybody is like america, everybody grows up like us, we're free, we go to mcdonald's have a splurpee, we're having a wonderful world. that's not how it is in the rest of the world. you might not want to believe it but

it's clear from bob gate's book "duty." administration didn'ttrust petraeus, didn't like petraeus. they saw moving him to the cia would sideline him. he had a sad affair with bill bow and brought himself down. and, you know, the thing is somebody like bill clinton can do a monicaly wean ski and rehabilitate himself. david petraeus was -- he was a hero andhe rebelled in that -- reveled in that limelight. he surrounded himself with yes-men. got to the point as many ceo thought he was infallible, and turned out like the rest of us, he was very human. dave petraeus did his best for his country. but he ultimately did a great disservice to himself. watching him begging hillary clinton to give him a job when he elected to bring him back. it's just sad. lou: the administration itself, as you were saying i was thinking, there are some who might say it was a -- it's where they have another medal on his chest to be disliked by this administration. drones, the administration now waiting on -- on an american member of al qaeda undefined

it's clear from bob gate's book "duty."dministration didn't trust petraeus, didn't like petraeus. they saw moving him to the cia would sideline him. he had a sad affair with bill bow and brought himself down. and, you know, the thing is somebody like bill clinton can do a monicaly wean ski and rehabilitate himself. david petraeus was -- he was a hero and he rebelled in that -- reveled in that limelight. he surrounded himself with yes-men. got to the point as many ceo thought he was infallible, and turned out like the rest of us, he was very human. dave petraeus did his best for his country. but he ultimately did a great disservice to himself. watching him begging hillary clinton to give him a job when he elected to bring him back. it's just sad. lou: the administration itself, as you were saying i was thinking, there are some who might say it was a -- it's where they have another medal on his chest to be disliked by this administration. drones, the administration now waiting on -- on an american member of al qaeda undefined

certainly you bring up the positive things that bob gate and general david petraeus have to say about. given what has happened since you wrote the guts of the book, how vladimir putin reset his authority, and russians negotiations have gone away. was she successful in the lopping run in we storing the image. >> it depends on the country. the united states long-term partners view the united states better during obama's first term than the bush administration. you can measure this in polling. we saw coalitions between the united states and some folks in the gulf cooperation council, in the arab league, that you never would have seen before, and so i think there are some places where that is true, and there are other countries that have been a harder nut to crack. it is, you know, an almost nothing in pakistan, for instance. so i think there's a record, but if you look at the polling, it's clear that the united states is perceived better around the world today than when barack obama took office. they probably share some credit in that. >> beng assy. >> with all due respect we had four de

for approval it was late in the afternoon and a short ended shortly thereafter who at the time was bob gates acting director. i am coming down the hall from my office thinking "this is it" the career is over and then they said by the way to anything happened at the hearings today? i hesitated nothing much except i did -- to classified the prt 250 system. >> host: that sorts of a secrecy what happens when things are revealed one thing you learned is a secret doesn't say -- state secrets every long at six way two 9/11 but a bunch are not. so i want to talk about 9/11 so tell me briefly you could not get away there was a crowd of people say you started to think like a lawyer you took your legal pad? >> this is the morning of 9/11 about one hour friday after the pentagon was hit they had a building wide evacuation people are screaming out i looked out my window with the view of the sky i cannot get out of here. and then let my imagination run wild. anything we have been doing up to that point i knew why is obsolete and inadequate. i literally started to sketch out on the yellow pad the things wh

television and the hearing ended shortly thereafter and i get a phone call director from at the time bob gates acting rector. so i'm going down the hall thinking this is it. the system had been in place. and if they had some other question that had nothing to do with this. if anything happened at the hearing today and i hesitated and i said as quietly as possible nothing much except in the system he shrugged. >> host: that secrecy and what happens when things are revealed is something i've heard you talk about before. you said secrets don't stay secret for very long. so i guess that is a good segue talking about 9/11 some of them i sure our. i wanted to talk about 9/11 and if you can tell me briefly you were in the building an and couldn't get away from the building there was a crowd of people trying to flee so you started thinking like a lawyer what are we going to need after that and you started writing what? what?guest co. this was an hour or two after the pentagon had been hit and headquarters some walking in some running with a view of the sky by the way. i figured the hell with it so i c

if you read bob gates memomior, it is burden with regret. you have to ask why people stay in politics if is so happy. it is because they are called to duty and even which it causes you to believe miserable it is still a choice. i want to close with the president of a famous college and i have gotten to know many great presidents of college in the last 25 years. go to chapman's university to see one of those great presidents. dr. cory here, i cannot remember this last name, that is what happens when you are 57. berry cory. thank you. he is changing bio into a lighthouse institution just like colorado christian has been turned into a lighthouse institution. it is hard to be a college president. but larry arm is amazing because he is driving his students back into the western civilization world. he is on every week. we spent five weeks on aorosti l aorostit aorostitle's principals and how the greeks wanted to be happy. they didn't have the revelation and know of israel's god and peace. but they knew it meant right living with nature. this isn't

it was bob gates. he was acting director so i'm trudging down the hall from my office and i said this is it. the system has been in place for years and you know i just told the world about it. it turns out gates had nothing to do with this. and so offhandedly i said by the way did anything happen at the hearings today and i hesitated and said as quietly as possible nothing much except that i declassified the prt 250 system and he shrugged. so i dodged a bullet there. >> host: that sort of secrecy and what happens when things are revealed is a theme i have heard you talk about before. in your book you say one thing you learned its secrets don't stay secrets very long. so i guess that's a good segue into talking about 9/11 and the things that happened after 9/11 that were supposed to be secret and some of them still are but a whole bunch of them are not. i wanted to talk to you about 9/11 and if you could tell me briefly, you know you were in the building and you couldn't get away from the building. ther

that the book gives her credit for, after the bush years, and you bring up positive things with bob gates and general david petraeus had to say, given everything that happened since you wrote the guts of the book, what we saw in syria, how vladimir putin reasserted his authority, and the reset on russian relations goes away, and vladimir putin considered the most powerful person in the world, compared to barack obama. bass she successful in -- was she successful in restoring that imaging. >> it depends on the country you are talking about. the united states long-term partners in europe viewed the united states better during barack obama's first term than during the bush administration. you can measure this in polling across the world. the esteem grew. we saw coalitions between the united states and some folks in the gulf cooperation council and the arab league, and in particular with the invasion of libya that you never would have seen before. there are places where it's true, and other countries where it's been a harder nut to crack in terms of american popularity. it's almost nothing in

hearing ended shortly thereafter and i get a phone call with the cia director who at the time was bob gates. he was acting director. and so i'm trudging down the hall from you as to the senate for sabre system had been in place. i told the world about it. it turns out gates is asking some other questions. nothing to do with this. at the hearings today and so this is quietly as possible as much of that was declassified and he shrugged. so dodged a bullet. >> host: that sort of secrecy and what happens when things are revealed is the theme that i've heard you talk about before. in your book you say secrets don't stay secret for very long. but i guess a good segue into talking about 9/11 in things that happen after 9/11 that were all supposed to be secret and some of them i'm sure still are. although a bunch of them are not. i wanted to talk to you about 9/11 and if you could tell briefly, you know, you were in efly, you know, you were in the building. you couldn't get away from the building. there was a crowd of people trying to flee. so what you did was you started to give mike a lawyer. wha

dod, i the at privilege of working with two terrific secretaries of defense, bob gates and leon panetta. i was part of their management team. i saw them a decisions. when you are the general counsel you have purview over the entire department of defense unlike almost everybody else. i was part of the management team. health solved a lot of problems. i was involved in a number of difficult issues. involveded, it national security. i came back to government in february 2009. i have been the eyewitness to many historic events that occurred and were involved in some of the decision-making here in washington. i would say that the thing that comes to mind first when you ask a question like that is i have a passion for the mission. i left government a year ago and was i was done settling back into private life. the president asked me if i would do this job. it ever occur to me that i would be sitting here, that i would be asked to do this job. i have a passion for the mission. i believe deeply in the mission. i want to serve the country. that is why i am here. >> good answer. own shot outget m

get involved in a land war, you know, goes back to go a speech at west point by defense secretary bob gates, two defense secretaries ago and was really a comment to, you know, to project the future coming out of afghanistan and iraq. of course, it's possible the united states is going to be involved in a land war eventually. a decade or two decades away. but i think what a lot of people have learned in the last decade was that if a -- not to worry that this penta goodeon and especially the army knows how to do something like that. hagel presented obama. the first post war budget request really. you will see. it's not just a question of replacing personnel costs with te technology or replacing people with technology. it's the cost per person as well. inside the budget. the third year in a row begging congress to reduce some of those, pay races for troops, the healthcare costs for troops. congress has refused to do. something has to give. >> i will get to that in a minute. history shows u.s. gets involved in a substantial conflict every 20 years, smaller ones every five years. so we are going

if you go back, i remember an interview with bob gates in the summer of 2011.ime where the defense budget was a little over $550 billion, was saying that a cut of 10% would be in his words, catastrophic. well, what we're looking at for fiscal year 2015 right now is a budget of $496 billion. that's below what gates was talking about just three years ago when he said such cuts would be catastrophic. we're talking about potentially more and sequester adding to those cuts. it's irresponsible. >> let me push back and say for the people on capitol hill to say there needs to be a more agile military, a better equipped and highly technological military that takes advantage of the newest technology, there doesn't need to be a clunky, two-front army. and there is an argument to be made that there's a lot of fat to cut in the pentagon and that this is the guy that is going to be able to to it. >> you're absolutely right. there are efficiencies to be found in our defense spending. i don't think anyone would deny that. that's a bipartisan complaint of our military, but that

but on the other hand, our old defense secretary bob gates said these levels would be catastrophic. so we shall see. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >>> breaking tonight, new developments in a battle now getting national attention. justi justina pelletier was taken away from her parent's custody, she was originally diagnosed with mitochondrial disease, that was at tufts. then she wound up at boston's children. and that staff disagreed with the original diagnoses and then decided she did not need the treatment. the doctors at tufts thought she needed them. the massachusetts department of family services stepped in and got a judge to revoke custody from the family. and now, one year after they deprived the family of custody of this daughter, seen once a week only on supervision, now they want to place justina in a foster care facility. the parents want her back, after hearing all of this in the courtroom, her mother collapsed. this was videotape of that and was taken to a local hospital by a stretcher. we had a father who defied a gag order to talk to us. trac

bob gates said the same thing.he issues having to do within in two-mile area there washington dc, with the conflict between republicans and democrats is the heart of our global position. but the president tried to engage directly on many occasions. the budget negotiations that i was deeply involved in, he was willing to do things that would have been hard to come back and convince democrats to go along with. you need to have a negotiating the comparable ability to go back and negotiate and make things happen. maybe he just wasn't the right time for it. it was never his interest or will. one of the things in the stories that people tell about whether there is out return on, the president picks up the phone and talks to people. on a very regular basis. issue.'s not the >> you could spend all day on the phone, and if the environment is not ready, is not going to produce a different result. >> you also acknowledge that human relations make a difference in whether democrats in the senate or republicans in the house, the

around the world after the bush years and you certainly bring up some of the positive things that bob gatesal petraeus had to say about her. given everything that's happened since you wrote the guts of the book, what we saw in syria, how vladimir putin has reasserted his authority and the whole reset in russian relations seems to have gone way. and, in fact, putin now considered the most powerful person in the world compared to obama. was she actually successful in the long run in restoring that image? >> i think it depends on the country that you are talking about in terms of restoring the image, certainly, you know, the united states has long-term partners in europe, viewed the united states much better during obama's first term than they had during the bush administration and you can measure this in polling across the world the united states' he is scheme grew, we saw some coalitions between the united states and some folks in the gulf cooperation council and the arab league in particular in the invasion of libya that you never would have seen before. and so i think there are some places

bill clinton, bob gates or ted cruise, who would you most prefer to throw off a balcony. wearing a football jersey or college shirt. >> i'm not sure yet. >> a tie? >> i probably will wear a tie. it is at white house, mcguirk. >> boxers or briefs? >> we don't want to go that far. >> i only have, you know, not a lot of time live. >> here is the other thing. you are not dealing with the factor audience you are dealing with a common denominator kind of nitwit audience. >> all over the world. semi legit. justin bieber the white house petition. now he feels really relaxed. you got the audience in you are i don't pocket and you hilt him with where were you the night of benghazi? what were you doing? why didn't you talk to hillary. >> half the interview schmoozing aren't and the other half. >> the first third. a little -- >> gutfeld wants to jump. >> in i have a little bit of advice. is he going to try to say folks more than you. so whenever he says folks you say folks squared. >> he borrowed that from me. you know he did. >> you have got to use for old time sakes you are filibus

. >> around the bush years, you certainly bring up in of the positive things that bob gates and generals said about her. but sense you wrote the guts of the book, what we saw in syria, and how vladimir putin has reached his authority and put now considered the most powerful person in the world, compared to obama, and was she successful in the long run in restoring that image. >> it depends on what you're talking about in the long run, certain the states has long-term partners in europe, certainly with the bush administration, and across the world, the united states as an es steeped group. and we saw coalitions between the united states and folks in the cooperation counsel and the arab league, and the invasion of libya that you would never have seen before. in some places, that's true, and in other places, harder to crack in terms of american pop alert. and it's almost nothing in pakistan, for instance, so i think there's some on the record, but if you look at the poll, the united states is better perceived around the world than it was when barack obama took office and hillary clinton to

in "duty," bob gates infamously wrote, "i think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policyrity issue over the past four decades." the biden injustices do not end there. thrush reports during the 2012 campaign, biden was effectively muzzled by president obama's advisers. the tension first boiled over in may of that year after biden turned the page of history a little too quickly for the white house. >> i am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual -- men and women are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. and quite frankly, i don't see much of a distinction. >> obama's aides never forgave the vice president and the west wing became a very lonely place. these days delaware joe is forced to suffer the further indignity of having to watch the entire democratic machine unite behind hillary clinton even as he, a sitting vice president, considers running. as a member of president obama's inner circle concludes, "biden is in a predicament. it's so big it's almost literary. never in

if you read the excerpts of bob gates' memoir, it is burdened by greece. that's the grief of a sector of defense and the seriousness of sending young men and women off to war, some of them don't come back. some comeback terribly, terribly injured. it is a difficult thing to be in politics or the media and remain happy. so why do people do it? you have to ask yourself, why? because they are called by duty which is the title of the secretary gates memoir, and so even when duty compels you to do unhappy things would live in circumstances which are miserable, it is still a choice but i want to close by citing my friendship with dr. larry and christopher hitchens. the doctor is a present of hillsdale college and i've gotten to know some great presence in college. him to a fine institution and turn it into a great engine of innovation, education, learning, technology, development. if you've never been to chapman university go to chapman.edu and look at a. gym sets the bar of your. doctor cory at viola -- account numbers lasting. that's what happens when you're 5

of course bob gates talked about it at length in his book. you can go back through and see how that went down. but nobody around the table, our table in 2009 could explain why we were staying in afghanistan. if you talk to every policy leader, i remember richard holbrooke coming on. on camera he would say one thing but off camera he would say it's hopeless. on camera he'd say we can't cut and run, we can't leave afghanistan. you ask him why and they would never say because of afghanistan. they would say because of pakistan. george w. bush didn't pay enough attention to afghan san. we tripled the number of troops, poured in $2 billion and the face of al qaeda is radically different than it was in 2001 when it needed the caves of afghanistan to project its terror across the globe. it's time for americans to come home. in fact, it was time four years ago. >> it makes sense. al, what we're looking at a couple of decisions that the president has to make and stick to. what are the chances that things unravel and we go back to the status quo, which

director of national intelligence sought to strengthen our intelligence sharing with friends, and bob gates in his book has written about this. that effort was defeated in the united states, not ready for expansion beyond the five i's to include other countries. -- manage imagine relationships with your allies? everything you do counts. we suffered a major strain, tensions to the enhanced interrogation techniques and quantum up. that was controversial, and it had a negative effect. in whateed to believe you are doing, and when you have a dissenting factor involved, it affects attitudes, work him and what happens, so many people inside and outside intelligence were morally offended by what was going on and it became a campaign issue in 2008. people debate whether these techniques were torture or not, and if what happened ever happened to you or a member of the family, you would never have that debate. and fortunately, both obama dennis blair immediately said it is over, we are not going to get into what it was and how you define it. it will not happen on our watch, and it ended, which made a

dod, i the at privilege of working with two terrific secretaries of defense, bob gates and leon panetta i was part of their management team. i saw them a decisions. when you are the general counsel you have purview over the entire department of defense unlike almost everybody else. i was part of the management team. health solved a lot of problems. i was involved in a number of difficult issues. involveded, it national security. i came back to government in february 2009. i have been the eyewitness to many historic events that occurred and were involved in some of the decision-making here in washington. i would say that the thing that comes to mind first when you ask a question like that is i have a passion for the mission. i left government a year ago and was i was done settling back into private life. the president asked me if i would do this job. it ever occur to me that i would be sitting here, that i would be asked to do this job. i have a passion for the mission. i believe deeply in the mission. i want to serve the country. that is why i am here. >> good answer. own shot outget my

director of national intelligence sought to strengthen our intelligence sharing with france, and bob gates in his book has written about this. that effort was defeated in the united states, not ready for expansion beyond the five i's to include other countries. how do you manage relationships with your allies? everything you do counts. we suffered a major strain, tensions through the enhanced interrogation techniques and creation of guantanamo. that was controversial, and it had a negative effect. allies need to believe in what you are doing, and when you have a dissenting factor involved, it affects attitudes, work, and what happens, so many people inside and outside intelligence were morally offended by what was going on and it became a campaign issue in 2008. people debate whether these techniques were torture or not, and if what happened ever happened to you or a member of the family, you would never have that debate. very fortunately, both obama and dennis blair immediately said it is over, we are not going to get into what it was and how you define it. it will not happen on our watch

guest: in terms of it being her war, in the u.s., the president and many of his advisers, including bob gates and joe biden were reluctant to get involved in libya. they were already involved in afghanistan and iraq, some knew there was a plan to go after bin laden, another strike on a sovereign nation potentially. internationally, the europeans wanted a no-fly zone, americans thought that was ineffectual. you had to get arab nations on board. different politics within them, you had to get them bought in, they were bought into a no-fly zone, then i got turned around -- then it got turned around into a strike. a set of strikes to take out gaddafi. all that was done on the ground in various capitals by hillary clinton. she came back to president obama and said the coalition is here for this if you are willing to do it. guest: she put together this coalition, she had her stamp on it. host: terry, indiana, republican caller. caller: good morning. i am a ron paul republican. but i love the clintons. guest: go figure. caller: when president clinton was in office, the economy was great. i am sure if

is secretary bob gates tried to make a lot of these reforms when he was in office at the pentagon.e just came out with his memoir. when we talk about reform he was to convincerefit -- congress and get compensation through. it is difficult in this town, as you know better than anyone, to get a mr. congress. the pentagon has constituents in each state. state has the national guard, programs that they want to protect. everyone has a constituency that can lock a lot of these programs from being cut going forward. not myways say -- program. not my national guard. it makes it hard to get this stuff through. currently ane appetite in congress to accept these kinds of changes that secretary hagel wants to see? guest: this is the big question. everyone in congress says that they would understand that everyone needs to tighten their belts, but what you heard from a lot of constituencies yesterday was -- not my program. not my national guard. not my bases. this is where you get to the paralysis. it is difficult to find the constituencies to make this stuff come together. tom, brooksville, flo

it takes a little bit more work and time but we found in interviewing people, including people in bob gatesle come to find they appreciate her intellect and appreciate her generosity and her sense of humor. >> i ran in '94 when we ran, hillary was as much of the, quote, political enemy as bill on the campaign trail. the first time i met her, i was blown away by how charming she was. i expected tipper and al gore to be more charming and relaxed but the opposite. the president and hillary. i was blown away. >> she is really funny. >> immediately. i was at least. by the way, i was part of that crazy '94 class that was their enemies and she was -- >> i'm not sure relaxed is the first word people apply to al gore. >> well, no, he wasn't. they were the opposite. they were sort of stiff and standoffish while hillary, who had every reason to be rude, was actually very -- >> i'm a huge admirer but i think she is the most self-administered and disciplined person i've ever met. >> going become to what joe said. we found a funny moment you might recall a cardboard cutout and the speech writer who is my

we have seen bob gates do that as well.o moving to you, that announcement. >> actually, i was doing just fine but my wife was there and i looked over at her and i thought, you know, we have been married now 51 years and she has always been there supporting me. and that is what i was emotional about. not leaving congress. it just hit me, all of a sudden. we have six children. we have 30 grandchildren and we just had a brand-new great granddaughter! >> what hit you how much she has put up with, because washington is hard on families. >> there is no question. >> and six kids and a new grandkid as well. >> that is enough to make you cry right there, mike barnicle, right? >> congressman, give us a sense how washington has changed over the decades you've been there and what are your biggest concerns looking back in the rearview mirror? >> well, what really i guess takes up all of my time right now is these cuts to the defense to our national security. there's no question that we have serious financial problems, but we are trying