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bob shrum, i know it you are going to say, but is the race over?i thought it was over -- over on labor day. i thought trump was in a cul-de-sac and he has made it worse and worse since then. none of his message about the industrial base is coming through and if you look at a state like pennsylvania, the latest poll shows him losing that state by 12%. if you go state-by-state in the battlegrounds, she's ahead in virtually every one of them. i don't see what he's going to do to recover. i think what he did in the debate was get himself a few more republicans who really dislike the clintons, but he's heck at about 39% or 49% and can't win the election with that. john: bob shrum, it's true, you did say the race was over on labor day. so now we move to the tiebreaker. not a big fanbut of donald trump. give us the unbiased view. is the race over? tiebreaker.l be the the race is over. the time of death was about 10:00 after the first debate and it has been downhill ever since. you can bring people into the front door of the party while you are pushing 20

bob shrum, i know what you're going to say, but i'm going to ask you, anyway. he race over, bob? should we stick a fork in it? >> i thought it was over on labor day, said it on your show, thought trump was in a democratic cul-de-sac they couldn't get out of. made it worse since then. and if you look at a state like pennsylvania, the latest polls show him losing that state by 12%. in fact, if you go state by state in the battlegrounds, she's ahead in virtually every one of them. i don't see what he's going to do to recover. i think what he did in the debate was get himself a few more republicans who really dislike the clintons, but he's stuck at about 39 or 40%. he can't win the election with that 39 or 40%. >> it's true, you did say the race was over labor day. you told me that. you're being consistent. now we move to the tiebreaker here, dave cotchel, republican, but not a big fan of donald trump's. give us the clear, unbiased view, dave. is the race over? >> yeah, i'll be the tiebreaker. the race is over. time of death was about 10:00 the night of the first de

bob shrum.e with us, a member of donald trump's economic policy council and the author of his new celebrated but, "hopping over a rabbit hole." what should democrats be saying about premium increases and insurers leaving the market? guest: i think this is a news story for the news media. it's not going to have much effect on the vote. second, there's a huge amount of dishonesty. there is a problem that has to be fixed in the next president will have to go to congress to get fixed and that is we do not have a third option, like a public option, that could see to it that people's premiums do not go up, but that is a minority of people in a minority of states. it's going to be a big news headline because the press is looking for a way to say donald trump still has an issue, donald trump still has away. he doesn't have a way forward. he's going to lose this election. i set it on this election -- on this show a long time ago. mark: is this an issue donald trump will talk about every day? guest: it's

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care and the affordable care act, which is where we're going to start, with democratic strategyist bob shrumamong others, al gore and bob kerry. and also with us, scaramucci, the author of his new celebrated book, "hopping over the rabbit hole: how entrepreneurs turn failure into success," available in finer bookshops now. bob, what should democrats be saying about the announcement regarding the affordable care act, premium increases, and insurers leaving the market? >> well, first, i think this is a new story for the news media. it's not going to have much effect on the vote. secondly, there's a huge amount of endorsing in the reporting on this. most of the people on the exchanges get subsidies. and if they get subsidies, they're not affected by this. third, there is a problem, which has to be fixed, and which the next president has to go to congress to get fixed. and the next is we don't have a third option, a public option, that can see to it that people's premiums don't go up. but that's, i want to emphasize, again, a minority of people in a minority of states. it's going to be a big new

john: bob shrum, said the race was over in labor day and you're being consistent.the tiebreaker here, dave, republican but not a big fan of donald trump's. give us the clear, unbiased view, dave. is the race over? dave: i'll be the tiebreaker. the race is over. time of death was about 10:00 the night of the first debate. it's been downhill ever since and you know, you can't bring one or two people into the front door of the party while you're pushing 20 or 30 out the back. and it's it's over been long over and we're on the slide to see what happens in the next 30 days. mark: i want to ask you -- go ahead, gary. i will start with gary but want you to address this. you all have supported candidates who have done bad things in their personal lives, every one of you have. gary, you're supporting a candidate now who on friday was revealed to have done something that horrifies a lot of people, disgusts a lot of people. what would donald trump have to do for you to withdraw your support if it wasn't that tape? gary: look, i don't even think in those terms with all due res