bob woodward, 46 years since watergate happened, what did you find? >> we ought to talk, i went to his home in la jolla, california, personal story, never really paid out, visited butterfield, and a few, 20 boxes, thousands of documents, which i had never seen before which had not been known to the world, an additional layer of nixon's isolation corruption, criminality, very close up portrait as if the camera is right in butterfield's face peering into his soul, and what happened to him. >> what about nixon related material? >> he needed to get out in 1973 before everything was unraveling on watergate, he pulled his car, his wife, they loaded the 20 boxes from the executive office building next to the white house, kind of the lesson is you don't know what you can get away with unless you try. >> host: what did you find in those 20 boxes? >> guest: butterfield told me stories i wasn't sure where precisely accurate and there would be a document describing them. ones that surprised me, shocked me in fact, from 1972, kissinger had sent to nixon, a routine

whether the center is able to govern seems to me is a longer story. >> i have a quick question for bob woodward the last debate when trump talked about insisting on a federal prosecutor i think you might have said that's what nixon. he converted the presidency to an instrument of personal revenge. elaborate for 30 seconds. what are the rm fictions if he does that. >> i don't think it would happen. you talk to any lawyer and they wouldn't accept the job as attorney general with that sort of instruction. real quickly i thought hillary clinton did a great job last night. what do presidents do? they need to control three things, facts, goals and their emotions and she made it clear she can do this and you could see her, not everyone is going to like it, but you can see her operating as president. >> you know, bob, i would love to have you on again sometime very soon and have you talk. you speak as a man who actually has been in washington, d.c. for more than a few years and knows how things work and i only say that because, you know, i have so many -- people say what if donald trump becomes preside

bob woodward from the washington post, author of the last of the president's men which is coming out in paper back next week. julie pace who coverathize white house and the campaign for the the associated press and washington examiner contributor lisa booth. mitt romney got hammered in 2012 when he put out his tax return and it turned out he paid an effective tax rate of 14%. what do you think the reaction will be to the idea, the possibility that donald trump paid no federal income taxes for years? >> i don't think it hurts him as much as it did with mitt romney. donald trump has been honest about the fact that he has taken advantage of the system. he mentioned it in the first debate and said if he tries to pay as little taxes as possible. neither of them are candidates of the people. donald trump is a billionaire. hillary clinton lives in a rarefied world. she admitted to not driving a car. she made over $100 million from paid speeches to the likes of goldman sachs. neither candidate is really a candidate of the people. >> let me turn to you, michael. because we should point out th

joining us now from washington, the associate editor of the washington post, bob woodward.lved with any of this? >> no. not at all. >> so i want to ask you journalism questions. because this parallels what you did, somewhat, in the watergate investigation. in the article he did not explain how he got the tape. now we don't expect him to say who gave it to him. because that is a confidential source. but it didn't really tell the reader how it got to him. should he have? >> well, he has said now publicly that he's not sure of the motive of the person who gave it to him. i think key here is motive and you always want to explore it but in this case, trump has acknowledged the authenticity of it and i think at least so far it has turned out to be the most explosive story of the campaign. so there is no doubt it is a story, it is authentic. i think once it is established or once david is willing to say this is where it came from, or this is the type of person who gave it to me, and that is a relevant foot note. >> but i want to point out again, he did not do that in the initial r

bob woodward from "the washington post". julie pace, who covers the white house and the campaign for the associated press. and washington examiner contributor lisa boothe. well, mitt romney, as we all remember, got hammered in 2012 when he put out his tax return and it turned out he'd paid an what do you think the reaction is going to be to the idea, the possibility that donald trump made no -- paid no federal incomes taxes for years? >> i don't think it hurts him as much as it did with mitt romney. donald trump has been very honest about the fact he's taken advantage of the system. he even mentioned it in the first debate. he's also said that he tries to pay as little taxes as possible. let's be honest about both of these candidates. neither one of them are candidates of the people. donald trump is a billionaire. hillary clinton has lived in a rarefied world as first lady. s car for 18 years. she's made collectively with bill clinton over $100 million from paid speeches. neither candidate is really a candidate of the people

just another day at norfolk southern. >>> personal story segment tonight, let's bring in bob woodwardm washington. what's your reaction to the project veritas situation? big scandal? nothing? what? >> the evidence looks shaky at this point. but strange things happen. watergate, bill clinton and monica lewenski, a server for the secretary of state for four years. all of her emails. so you have got to look at it. at the post we have a reporter looking at it. but you see these snippets of conversations. jiggly cameras and it's not clear. >> yeah. they are not pros. as i pointed out when we first reported this last night there are 40 hours. 40 hours of tape. so you are right. i wouldn't say the evidence is shaky. because the guy to leave the clinton campaign today. i mean, that tells me that this is failure big and then you saw the defensive of the white house spokesperson how defensive he was. >> he wasn't overly defensive, i didn't think. we will see. people will look at this as our former editor at the post ben bradley said the truth emerges. sometimes it takes weeks or even years. >>

bob woodward's latest book is "the last of the president's men."cham is the author of "destiny and power." and dave ignatius is a columnist for the "washington post." jon meacham, i want to start with you about a piece you wrote in the "new york times" about the difference between george herbert walker bush and the current republican nominee. there is a big difference in a pretty short time period. >> to paraphrase henry adams, the movement from george h.w. bush to donald trump disproves darwin. it's a remarkable dissent, whether you agreed or disagreed with george h.w. bush politically, he was a figure of enormous public grace and dignity and empathy. he knew how to play politics. he knew how to hire tough people. he ran a tough campaign in 1988. so this is not a case for st. george of kennebunkport. what it is a case for is that this is a man who when confronted by the vicissitudes of politics, he almost always did the right thing and tried to put the country first. >> christa: what do you mean from where we are right now? you have drusmg talking

bob woodward, who is "the last of the president's men"? >> alexander butterfield, one of nixon's deputies, the office adjacent to the oval office for a couple years, in the secrets and decided to disclose the existence of the secret taping system which provided evidence that led to nixon's downfall and resignation. >> butterfield's wife thinks he did, wanted to tell butterfield, denies that and acknowledges that he was quite upset about the lies and extent to which he was drawn into this web of corruption in the nixon white house, people come out differently, what i'm able to chart with the documents and extensive interviews with butterfield and story never told in detail, various stations of the cross in making that

and you know, when you talk about unseamly allegations, i think it was bob woodward, famously of woodward and bernstein who said the clinton foundation was quote corrupt on national television this weekend. he said, it simply isn't unseemly, it's corrupt. it is truly remarkable to me that unsubstantiated allegations against my opponent have gotten so much media attention and yet this avalanche, brian, of hard evidence, documented evidence, of pay it play politics, of providing preference to friends of the clintons for contracts to rebuild haiti and now we found out last week from another network that officials at the state department offer the fbi a quid pro quo to change the classification status of documents that were on hillary clinton's private server having to do with benghazi. as i travel around the country, the this is the kind of thing the american people are weary of, tired of. that's why donald trump has gotten so much momentum around the country and why we are will work our hearts out on november 8th. >> do you think donald trump would accept the results of this election, he wa

we'll be right back with more of our conversation from conservatives, plus an all-star panel with bob woodward and maureen dowd. stay with us. >> it's the worst refugee crisis since world war ii. how many refugees are we accepting from syria, and how are they being vetted for security? "60 minutes" tonight. ,,,,,,,,,, closed captioning provided by cbs sports division >> james: week six in the nfl. >> tony: one of the best young receivers in the game. odell beckham. scored his first touchdown of the season last week. >> bill: joe flacco. >> bart: needs a 10-point accuracy to sc

i have to it say, jon, we had had bob woodward of watergate fame and i asked him about the clinton foundation, before we got the banned e-mail and memo and he said it is corrupt. if someone knows corruption it is bob. >> it is a fascinating question. if hillary clinton had been using secured e-mail, would any of this come to it light? >> yes, because this is not hillary clinton's private e-mail. these are jon podesta's which were on g- mail. and this has nothing to do with hillary clinton's private system. >> all right. but again, there were e-mails laying out the fact that bill clinton, in particular, had earned millions and millions of dollars and received gift and family vacations and that sort of thing from the corporation that were big donors to the clinton foundation? >> that is part of the banned 13- page memo. band at one point complains that chelsea clinton is blaming him for doing this. and he said bill clinton did this. and an aide should have the same rights as clinton. that is the wild west mentality and the idea that it was all up for grabs. yes, bill clinton at the same time th

i think having somebody like bob woodward, "the washington post" investigative editor say on chris wallace that her system was just corrupt, that's woodward's term, jars a lot of people. and the obamacare crisis. and you don't list minnesota as a battle ground state. there's a poll, 43-trump 41 and i called a friend and said what's going on. she said the rise in obamacare premiums is so massive in minnesota, that the governor's even thinking about a special session of legislature to try to figure out some way to help people. she said her personal insurance just for herself not for her husband was going to go up $2400 next year. that gets people's attention and all of a sudden they think do i want hillary clinton and more of this i can't afford? and that's, i think, one of the things. the october surprise may turn out to be the obamacare premiums and deductibles. >> which are, obamacare is imploding on any level, whether it be the rising premiums or all of the sudden talk about effectively bailing it out with government, federal government subsidies. such subsidies, newt, in my opinion, wou

not only have i been a benefactor of the bob woodward foundation and the invictus games, which bob hasbeen a part of, but i have seen the strides in research and the rounds of mental health and germanic brain injury that organizations like the bob woodruff foundation have been able to -- o-matic brain injury that organizations like the bob woodruff foundation have been able to inspire. it is a family affair. without further ado, i introduce bush, first lady laura mrs. obama, and bob woodruff. [applause] >> thank you, well. bob: what an honor it is to be here today. first of all, i want to tell both of you that my wife -- who is also my commander -- >> as it should be. also wanted me to say hello to you. i also had a chance to see president bush at the invictus games, where it was such a clear indication of how absolutely committed he is -- reynolds is out there, i think winning everything, and i had a chance to talk to president bush about what he is doing. president obama, of course, too. he is deeply committed to this. it's interesting. i just talked to mrs. obama backstage. i had a

i mean, but this goes back to what robert -- bob woodward's statement on sunday as the leading investigative reporter on "the washington post" who said, look, the clinton operation's corrupt. no other word for it. they're corrupt. >> let me go to the latest wikileaks. nobody in the media's follow in this. the revelations are stunning. ab dean said hillary is not right in the head. krit sidesing the clinton instin instincts. there's no good answer on the server scandal. podesta said obamacare premium increases are politically deadly. oh, isn't that great? he knows the truth. cheryl mills and john podesta, earlier in a wikileaks dumps had said maybe we shouldn't send the e-mails between then secretary of state clinton and obama which would have been obstruction of justice but they were contemplating it and we know that cheryl mills wrote we need to clean up the mess because obama said he lied when he said he heard about it through the media and podesta calling it a hot mess and journalists invited some 65 of them i believe to podesta's house and other's house and wined and dined by the clinton

failed to do the job and plenty of examples where the media did great work, you would know about bob woodwardnd coral bernstein reporting the watergate breakout to president nixon's downfall. more recently the boston globe and the stories it did on priest abuse which as you know not only got lots of pulitzers for their work but was in a movie called spotlight. it is a great example of what the media did right. the guy who was editor of the boston globe and responsible for those stories with a guy named marty baron, executive editor of the washington post. we are lucky to have him. so think of those ways in which the media did a good job and the way in which jim mccartney did a good job trying to illuminate these issues and think about them. when we were living in florida, he became a popular speaker, the library and various groups would like to hear how does washington work, and very good at talking about these issues. when bush invaded iraq in 2003, focused more and more on the war and peace angle and when he finished making these talks, people would say i had no idea, please write a book ex

and you go there you have bob woodward and "new york times" editor.avid barstow, your boss. >> there were a lot of difficult things about bringing this story to the public on sunday. from my perspective, the least difficult part of it was deciding that the legal threats for mr. trump were not worth losing a minute sleepover. i thinink the positition that ty have taken, and we have some of the best firirst amendment lawys in the business working for us, they think he is taken a position that is so outside the norm of the american legal tradition that we don't feel like these kinds of threats are anytything to sweat over. hedavid, if he gets elected, will have the power of federal law enforcement. i am not worried if he threatens to sue me as he has if he loses, but if he wins, he could but you and i and dean baquet on no-fly list. he the courts have been best could do all sorts of things to mess up your life. he has made it clear he will do thisis. he talks as if the preresident s a dictator with unlimited power who doesn't need to pay attention to con

gop strategist karl rove, fox news political analyst juan williams, bob woodward of "the washington post," and kimberley strassel from "the wall street journal." karl, the conventional wisdom is that trump was having a pretty good debate until he refused to say that he would accept the results of the election. do you agree with both parts of that premise? >> i do. because look, what matters is not just simply the debate but the aftermath of the debate. he guaranteed that all that good work that he did in prosecuting the case that he was the agent of change and she was the status quo was wiped out in the controversy that came as a result of his answer to that days more. i mean, the next day he compounds it by saying at a rally, i believe in north carolina, i'll accept the outcome if i win. guaranteeing that the story would go on for yet another day. >> why is that such a big deal? people are saying, well, look, in 2000, which you're familiar with, allegations of fraud. why is it such a big deal way in advance a president or a presidential candidate saying, >> because as long as we've had

i mean, it's like -- it's like a condensed version of 15 bob woodward books.1 full-time reporters on it and i run a web site, do you know what i mean, with 75 employees. where's nbc news? they gave zero minutes to covering this last week, zero. >> do you agree with that? >> yeah, no, i think he has a point, but now there's vacuum -- the reason they haven't been talking about it is because donald trump hasn't been talking about it. if he gets focused on and on message, there are a lot of significant important issues that need to be andsked and answered. there could be many more revelations. the debates are over. those are the things that could have moved the needle in a significant way. that's not going to happen. the only thing, barring some really catastrophic event that can move the needle are more wikileaks disclosures. >> exactly. and i agree ywith you. james has there been anything in the wikileaks that's been game changing or a bombshell? a lot of people see it inside baseball, people are talking crap about each other on e-mails, doesn't everybody do tha

gop strategist carl rove, fox news political analyst juan williams, bob woodward of the washington poste conventional wisdom is that trump was having a pretty good debate until he refused to say that he would accept the results of the election. do you agree with both parts of that premise? >> i do because what matters is not just simply the debate but the after math of the debate. he guaranteed that good work that he did that he was the agent of change and she was status quo was wiped out in the controversy that came as a result of his sbr to that question. it continued for several days more. the next day he compounds it by saying at a rally i believe in north carolina i will accept the outcome if i win guaranteeing the story would go on for yet another day. >> why is that such a big deal? people are saying in 2000 and allegations of fraud. why is it such a big deal way in advance a presidential candidate saying i don't commit to respecting the results? >> as long as we have had our republic we have had a peaceful transition of power. there have been moments of division. we have had thi