woodward a call. he was pretty chilly on the phone. i said hi, this is bob redford calling. he said, yeah. f i could meet and you your partner because i have this idea i want to share with you. >> woodward came to me and said that redford had called. and i put together who redford was. and was interested in talking to us or whatever. i said we're busy, we've got to do this story. >> for woodward and bernstein it wasn't only that the break-in seemed fishy. there was something just as odd about the white house response. >> presidential press secretary ron ziegler called it a third-rate burglary attempt. >> ron ziegler calling it a third-rate burglary, that was the tipoff to us. there seemed to be nothing third-rate about it except they got caught. >> they raised the stakes so high. with this third-rate burglary nonsense. it was apparent that something here was really rotten. nixon assigned his top lieutenants the president's men the task of managing the fallout from the break-in. among them chief of staff bob haldeman and presidential adviser john ehrlichman would become the guardians of the

in a nawaz for the pbs newshour and bob woodward, associate editor and author of "fe, trp in the white house." senator murkowski taking this negotiation forhe senate trial. are her concerns about the esident's conduct, about the substance of impeachment or about the process? >> it seems so far to be about the process. whenitch mcconnell was talking about working with the presidenk and the q trial that he expects and that is troubling and reminds of the hearings of justice cavanaugh.f and j flake wanted to take a step back and all of a sudden there was a request for additional f.b.i. probe. it was short and very constricted and itanave republ a page to pump the brakes and it seems like that what is senator murkowski is interesteded and i could see her convincing susan collins or senator romney or senator gardner who are facing re-election to get behind the plan onsetting the rulesnd does president look like this is going to be set on the fast track and not be fair. robert: the process complaints are out there but there are political capital with republicans may fall into line. president

[laughter] joined me in welcoming megan twohey and bob woodward and jodi kantor.[cheering and applauding] >> thank you, it's great to be here. let's get right to it. first of all, this book is a massive piece. a landmark. [applause] journalism and people who were not journalists, it's about how you sort out information, publish and share with others. i loved it, i have my copy here. the first question is, what was the origin of the collaboration between you two? >> we would like to start by thanking everybody, this is the launch of our book tour. [cheering and applauding] we are grateful we have not only friends and family but also the sources in the audience tonight. we want to thank them for being here, too. >> i think when it comes to question and answers, there may be people if they want to get up and identify themselves. that's a good question. the truth is, in 2017, the new york times decided it wanted to diving reporting on sexual harassment. so the weinstein story, the investigation was one of many reporting projects that started that year, silicon valley

other books about what's happened in the white house to say if you saw the chaos described in bob woodward'sbook fire and fury. >> yes. i saw the chaos but i have a different take on it. and then from george h.w. bush. and they could not believe what they did they were calculated it was spy versus spy versus spy. there is a politician who has manipulated. is not exactly what it appears to be it is the understatement thinking almost everything is calculated. so donald trump blew up nato they were furious this is the greatest treaty. the oldest treaty look what he's doing. and talking to theea american mediaa but the generals came in and they said sir, these are our friends they are nato. and trump would say if they are our friends than why are they not keeping their word quex why do they sign a document to say this percent of gdp will go to defense and our middle class has to pay for it quex why should we build high-speed rail raised in germany. why should they pay for new airports all across europe when they are descending into poverty. that's not a friend.os yes they are our friends sir. so

during water gate, bob woodward and myself at "the washington post," we did not use a named source in more than 250 sorries we wrote -- stories we wrote in the two year period of water gate. they were all anonymous sources. you can go down to the university of texas, look at our papers and learn who some of the people were, and i don't believe we made one real mistake, and that fact was based on our misinterpretation of what an anonymous source had told us. but also, our business in the press is the best obtainable version of the truth. and there is no way to get that information without people speaking openly and candidly with reporters. it imposes a great and grave responsibility on reporters to vet their sources, to tri angulate their information, but if we are to look at the record of the press corpse who covers the white house in terms of the use of anonymous sources, the reason we know so much about the white house, donald trump, the corruption that we have seen, what we know about trump and the russians, much of it comes from anonymous sources. and one other point that i think

. >> you know, matt, bob's colleague bob woodward says the truth emerges, and it emerges from weird placesbut as bob costa is saying, it could emerge from sort of working their way up. there aren't that many people between lev parnas and igor fruman. and there's nobody between them and rudy giuliani. and according to rudy giuliani, there was nobody between rudy giuliani. he was there on behalf of the president. this seems like a very ominous sign for rudy and potentially the president. >> i think so. look, the truth emerges when the people who are trying to get to the truth have leverage. it was i think incredibly impressive how much of this scheme adam schiff was able to uncover given what they had to work with. in two months they were able to break the stonewall, get witnesses, hold public hearings. it really revealed to the american public. they didn't have a lot -- they don't have -- they can't threaten people with federal charges. what the southern district of new york can do is threaten people with charges. rudy giuliani is under investigation. the prosecutor said in court today it's

>> here you can also listen to bob woodward talk about the role that deep throat played in the investigation. you can hear president nixon talking to colson about how the white house should handle the senate watergate investigation. colson and the president talk about their vulnerability because of the campaign activities that are described earlier on the timeline wall. you can also listen to d. todd christofferson, the judge's law clerk. the judge is no longer alive. we couldn't interview him for his exhibit. but christofferson recalls vividly working with the judge on the trial and the cover-up trial in 1974-1975. >> he had this sixth sense based on all that experience that someone was lying in his courtroom. t drove him crazy. t infuriated him really. >> he considered giving the watergate burglars very long sentences in order to encourage them to talk. this pressure helped push james mccord over the edge and led to his breaking his silence which is so important. you have have john dean giving his testimony. it's john dean vs. president nixon. everything will change when another dramatic m

40 years ago i made the movie "all the president's men" about how "washington post" reporters bob woodwardrgate story from break-in to cover-up to the first president to resign his office. the story of the scandal stayed with me. and a few years ago i produced a documentary about woodward and bernstein's detective story to uncover the truth. and it struck me as prophetic and worth repeating today. we thought watergate changed america and our political process.

you've got bob woodward who knows all about the nixon split and he got in trouble with watergate.xon, he thought they would read positively for him. isn't trump just as crazy? he thinks that conversation with zelensky helps him. >> i can't comment on whether there's delusion, i would simply comment on what's in this book. >> well, that's in the book. >> you work in congress and sometimes members of congress don't know as much about history as maybe they'd like to know. so i started a program six years ago to educate congress by having these historians come once a month. >> how many congressmen show up? >> we get about 200 to 250 every time. because we don't have a lot of legislation now the senate and congressmen don't know each other. >> what's the most important thing you learn in this? >> we don't know as much about history as we should. and right now sadly three quarters of americans can't name the three branches of government. the result is we don't have an informed citizenry. >> your next career, become a teacher. >> thank you very much for having me. >> a long time friend o

were.s where the secrets woodward could have known. .t is embarrassing this could have come out a long time ago. is bob bork. he writes a book called saving justice. it is published in 2013. right after he died. he talks about what it was like a solicitor general and what it was like to survive the saturday night massacre. i was reading it yesterday. i want to read you the whole book because his take is so different from what you were told. here is what he says. i argue the statutory case and got my hat handed to me. the court was very unfriendly to impoundment. as i slowly realized the unspoken rule was that nixon was not going to win any cases. the closer any particular case. ,end richard nixon, the person the quicker it was rejected. this is the solicitor general saying all courts are biased against nixon as well. he goes on to say what it was like to be acting attorney member. really was not very friendly. he was not outgoing. throughout the matter, i was surprised that there were so .any lawyers prone to complementing each other as specialists. throughout theed watergate affair how easy it is to l

woodward could have known, i showed you his notes. it's phenomenal, it's embarrassing. this could have all come out a long time ago when i was a young man. ok, this is bob bourque. bob comes in on the saturday night massacre, okay? he writes a book called "saving justice, watergate, the saturday night massacre and other adventures of a solicitor general." it is published in 2013. it is published posthumously right after he died and he talked about what it was like to be solicitor general and what it was like to survive the saturday night massacre. when i was reading it yesterday, i mean i read it before, i wanted to read you the whole book because his take is so different from what you were told. here's what he says, "i argued the statutory case" -- this is on impoundment, "the issue of impoundment and got my hat handed to me. the court was very unfriendly to inpound. because richard nixon was president. as i slowly realized the unspoken rule was that nixon was not going to win any cases. that's not to say the office of the presidency didn't win any cases, it certainly did, but the closer any case got to richard nixon the person the quicker, oh, there w