it's the day after bobby kennedy's assassination.she was assassinated on the fifth and died on the sixth. the seventh is the one day that they have before the eighth when they are going to go up to new york for the funeral at st. patrick's cathedral. sitting on my left, on everybody's left is madame shumatav, who is there with lbj to paint his portrait. this is astonishing to me that they kept this appointment. if you can just imagine the tension and the anxiety and the fear and the exhaustion around this tragedy in the white house on that day but it's 1968 and they still don't have a presidential portrait of lbj, the first one that was done by peter ward they don't like in 1965 and for the johnsons the specter of becoming incapacitated in office hangs over their head. woodrow wilson's experience especially. they wind upkeeping this appointment. so two more details about it, though. when i see this, i see lady bird sitting in the corner as the executive producer of the lbj presidency orchestrating this moment animating l bj and has a

but that -- that change after 1968, after the bobby kennedy assassination and the secret service was put in charge of protecting major presidential candidates, that ended up giving nixon a whole new idea for how he could try to use and corrupts the secret service. 1972, segregationist presidential candidate george wallace had secret service protection as a presidential candidate, but wallace was nevertheless shot while he was campaigning in laurel, maryland. and that attack did not kill george wallace, but it did leave him paralyzed. when nixon heard about the attempt on george wallace's life, he immediately got himself a great idea. he would very quickly insist that because someone had tried to kill george wallace, ted kennedy must also get secret service protection. hmm? george wallace, racist segregationist southern candidate, ted kennedy, pro civil rights boston liberal lion. why are these things connected? why is somebody trying to kill george wallace mean that ted kennedy needs a secret service detail? these things are not connected. most importantly, ted kennedy was not a pres

it became a real-life situation where bobby kennedy is saying, i don't know if i can have my brothernedy take my fictitious characters and have them go out and investigate. >> the research must have been incredibly fun. because you have conversations between -- public conversations in nightclubs with sammy davis jr. which are kind of stunning. >> yeah, i mean -- a lot of the real-that's in this book is just as shocking along the stuff that i made up, in terms of the actual conversations that took place by the mobsters, in terms of the way that the -- how really racist and awful the rat pack could be about each other in public, jokingly. so -- one of the things janet maslin noted in her review is i have a vegas show, you think wow, this is awful. i just took it from an actual vegas show. those were actually the joke that is they made at the time. >> and it underscores not only the racism but the sexism that was prevalent at the time. >> yeah, and that -- one of the things while writing this book that i decided to do was with "me too" and hollywood and how women are treated in entertai

these fascination of then presidential candidate bobby kennedy. jfk's brother. after that killing, bobby kennedy, presidential candidate in 1968, the secret service had its role in expanded once again. they would now be not only protecting the president of the vice president, but also may surge or presidential candidates. that was around the time the secret service encountered another disaster of a totally different kind. a disaster named richard nixon. for all that the secret services is responsible for, for all they have to do and for all the country trusts them with, richard nixon found the time in the effort to steal from them to rip them off, to use them to steal money for himself from the american people. this is astonishing. in 1969 in 1970, nation pressured the secret service to approve and pay for purchases and renovations for his private home and keep the skin in florida. by having the secret service labeled the services necessary for security, he was able to get taxpayers to buy him new dan furniture and also fabrics to freshen his decor. he also got

and then bobby kennedy introduced him.ne of the key jobs at the time is to try to reduce tensions between the united states and the soviet union and one of the ways that he did this was by trying to persuade the candidates that soviet intentions and cuba were entirely benign. at one point, president kennedy even called puerto rico into the white house and said you know, i heard that you wanted to reduce tensions between the united states and the soviet union, i heard that -- wants us to stop sending airplanes to the ships that are going to cuba, we're going to do that is a way of reducing tensions. of course, the ships weren't carrying missiles, they were going to cuba. >> when that there were missiles in cuba one of the first things that crossed bobby kennedy and he wrote this in the book was that he was very upset by this during the crisis itself, can you decent intermediaries to meet with buttercup to use him as a back channel to the soviet leadership second, person second person who later became -- national press club

so bobby kennedy had to decide do i offend sinatra, one of the biggest stars who got my brother electedy in a house where mobsters have slept. and decided why don't i let me here wros go in and investigate and that's where the thriller comes in. >> you handle so many issues, including racism and misogyny in hollywood, long before the racism the way sammy davis jr. was treated and how frank sinatra handled racism against his fellow rat pack friend, sammy davis jr. >> the rat pack could be really racist on stage towards sammy davis jr. they thought they were being funny and maybe in 1962 it was funny to some people. i don't think it's funny. but behind the scenes sinatra was revolutionary in terms of civil rights. he helped make sure that the hotels in vegas integrated, he fought for equal pay for people in his band. and he really was way ahead of where the kennedys were in 1960, 1961, 1962 in terms of civil rights for people in thinks world. that didn't always translate to his hijinx on camera. in that way sammy davis jr. had much more to thank sinatra for in terms of actual civil rights

and then bobby kennedy had a decision to make because he was going after organized crime at the justiced sinatra was friends with some of these mobsters. so bobby kennedy had to decide, do i offend sinatra, one of the biggest stars who helped my brother get elected, or do i let my brother stay in a house. >> reporter: -- where literally mobsters have slept. i decided why don't i have my heroes go in there and investigate it? obviously that's where the thriller comes in. >> yeah. i think it's fascinating because you handle so many issues in there, including racism. you deal with misogyny in hollywood long before the me too era, the way sammy davis jr. was treated and how frank sinatra handled the blatant racism towards his friend and fellow rat packer sammy davis jr. >> this was one of the most interesting discoveries that i made while researching the book, which was the rat pack could be really racist onstage towards sammy davis jr. they thought they were being funny, and maybe in 1962, it was funny to some people. i don't think it's funny. but behind the scenes, sinatra was actually re

it became a real-life situation where bobby kennedy is saying, i don't know if i can have my brother stay there. that premise is real, and i said, why don't we have bobby kennedy take my fictitious characters and have them go out and investigate. >> the research must have been incredibly fun. because you have conversations between -- public conversations in nightclubs with sammy davis jr. which are kind of stunning. >> yeah, i mean -- a lot of the real-that's in this book is just as shocking along the stuff that i made up, in terms of the actual conversations that took place by the mobsters, in terms of the way that the -- how really racist and awful the rat pack could be about each other in public, jokingly. so -- one of the things janet maslin noted in her review is i have a vegas show, you think wow, this is awful. i just took it from an actual vegas show. those were actually the joke that is they made at the time. >> and it underscores not only the racism but the sexism that was prevalent at the time. >> yeah, and that -- one of the things while writing this book that i decided t

way earlier than i think anybody ever assumed the assumption had been that it was vietnam and bobby kennedy and eugene mccarthy and and the the embattlement the embattled nature of his presidency as a whole that compelled him to walk away from power. but in fact, it had been a part of a strategy that they'd been executing for the previous four years earlier. we mentioned the name liz carpenter and as lady bird begins to establish herself in the role of first lady and tackle the big issues that were important to her. liz carpenter is part of that strategy. we have a bit of videotape from our archives of liz carpenter talking about her work for the johnsons and then we'll come back. i worked for president johnson. i was in dallas that dreadful day and the moment that changed everyone's life and ended up back in washington on air force one. i wrote those 58 words that the president delivered when he stepped off the plane at andrews air force base. this is a sad time for all people and so forth. and so then for five years i worked at white house as press secretary and staff director for lady bi

here with us the dilemma for attorney general bobby kennedy. nt prosecuting a war against organized crime. and sinatra was friends with sam giancana who the attorney general scrapped with just a few years before. >> can you tell us anything about any of your operations or are you just going to give a giggle every time i ask you a question? >> my answer might incriminate me. >> i thought only little girls giggled. >> was an attorney general going to let his brother, a president, stay with a mobster also slept there, or going to insult frank sinatra, a huge celebrity, without whom his brother might not have been elected? that is the true story that inspired me and on which i base my second novel, which is titled "the devil may dance." it comes out on tuesday. viewers were supportive when i wrote the first novel, "the hell fire club" about attorney general charley and martyr. now they head west. you cathank you for indulging m and finding politics as fascinating and fun as i do. >>> this year has been really tough on a lot of mothers. we want to sh

. >> when bobby kennedy was assassinated, it was really hard for johnny. was friends with kennedy. >> johnny carson did something that he had never done before. and i don't know that he ever did again. >> good evening and thank you for joining us tonight. as i think no explanation is necessary, we don't plan to do the usual "tonight show" format this evening. >> you finally got a glimpse of who johnny carson actually was behind the sort of show business veneer. >> the people who have been assassinated like the kennedys and martin luther king express definite opinions of change and they touch people emotionally much more than -- >> i think carson's greatest gift was the ability to talk to a wide range of people and get just about everybody in the room on his side. carson was kind of a glue during some really harsh times in this country. >> it's not new and i don't think this country has a priority on assassinations or on hate. >> somehow johnny carson has walked this tightrope and managed to stay relevant on either side of the late 1960s where everything ch

for those of you that would like to know, that is ed levy on the left side of your frame and bobby kennedyn justice headquarters here. pete williams with the trivia nuggets as well. we'll keep you updated with information from that. >>> it is now official as the president announces a new limit more than four times what the trump aministration had in place. the administration reversed course. this year's cap is now set at 62,500 and a could of double that number next year. but, president biden also says that "the sad truth is that we will not achieve 62,500 admissions this year. adding that next year's goal will still be hard to hit. let me bring in tyler moranz. thank you for being on the show. >> good morning. >> can you explain why it is in the president's view probably not achievable to hit that admissions limit this year? >> let me start first, hallie by talking about what the president campaigned on. putting in place a fair, orderly, and humane immigration system. that is exactly what he has done. he sent a bill to congress reforming the immigration system and so the refugee resettlem

into the fray jumps the junior, but very well-known senator from new york, bobby kennedy, the president's brother, who also says i too will stand against this war in vietnam. i too will challenge the seated president of the united states. johnson is a horrified when he sees the trail, by his own parties senatorial representatives. it is a real moment of truth for him. johnson is not in the best of health. he's got gallbladder surgery. his heart is not good. he's faced incredible stress from a war that he never wanted to fight but he felt it was unavoidable. he decides in the face of this genuine challenge, to quiet. he doesn't quit the presidency but he walks away from his campaign to be reelected. so electorally, this movement has had an impact. but it does not have success. cut to the chase. the man who wins the democratic nomination is not the candidate, east, as you all know assassinated and -- who had other access, kennedy is killed. probably would not have been able to get the nomination. mccarthy never had a kind of gravitas. he was not a charismatic political figure to pull it off

and then bobby, and then bobby kennedy, the attorney general was investigating organizationed crime andh some of these guys that i'm investigating like sam giancana, maybe my brother shouldn't stay out. there that is a real story, in the book attorney general kennedy kind of black mailed charlie and mark receipt, my heros to go out and investigate to see if sin app-- sinatra really is mobbed up. >> stephen: what did you learn in writing this book that you did not know before about those years. >> i don't think i realized before, and i did a lot of reading. i don't think i realized how much i think john f. kennedy broke frank sinatra's heart. by like sinatra we all know, he had his heartbroken by eva gardner, one of his several wives but that was the one that really hurt him. and i think he really loved plutonically, he really loved john f. kennedy and this confrontation that i am telling you about that really happened, i think it really destroyed him. >> stephen: jake, lovely to see you. the book is "the devil may dance." hell fire club was wonderful, this has got to be better because i

king and bobby kennedy. he recommitted himself to doing their work and the other work that was important to him. it was a very sad and dark time for him. he just kept forging ahead. he lived out his life making sure that he touched people and changed the things that he could. no, he was never jaded or felt like there was something that would keep him back. he inspired his colleagues every day in congress. they looked to him. he felt positive and confident. >> he wanted us to always be positive. excuse me. he wanted us to always be positive. always optimistic. always hopeful. stay focused. pace yourself. it'll happen. slow down a little bit. we'll get there. >> the one wilderness time was in the late 60's. the new york phase. remarkably brief. a little bit longer than 40 days. >> that's when he needs his wife, isn't it? >> that's a little bit later. i was struck by something that michael and linda set about the trappings of power. the first time i met him was on election night in a georgia senate runoff, ever

it's got bobby kennedy, frank sinatra, sammy davis jr., a fascinating period in american history in the the martyrs. extreme how you decided to move it into the 1960s and the plot is really intricate and interesting. >> well, it's based on and inspired by a real story, which as soon as i heard the story, as soon as i read it, i thought, oh, this has to be the second book. which is obviously sinatra and the rat pack did everything they could to help get jfk elected in 1960. and in preparation for a presidential trip to california, sinatra, in real life, had his rancho mirage estate, the compound, built up and -- in preparation for a presidential visit. rooms added, telephone lines, a helipad built. at the same time, attorney general robert kennedy had real misgivings, because he was going after organized crime.

don't like this -- well, into the fray jumps the junior but very well-known senator from new york, bobby kennedye dead president's brother who also says, i, too, will stand against this war in vietnam. i too will challenge the seated president of the united states. johnson is horrified at what he sees as betrayal by his own party's representatives and it's a real moment of truth for him. johnson is not in the best of health. he's had gallbladder surgery, his heart is not good. he's faced incredible stress from a war that he never wanted to fight but felt it was unavoidable. he decides in the face of this challenge to quit. he doesn't quit the presidency, but he walks away from his campaign to be re-elected. electorally, this movement has had impact. but it doesn't have success. to cut to the chase, the man who wins the democratic nomination is not kennedy. he's, you all know, assassinated in june 1968 by somebody not interested in the war in vietnam but had other axes to grind. kennedy is killed. probably would not have been able to get the nomination. mccarthy never had the gravitas, he wasn't

>> i think those are the candidates i mean, bobby kennedy was a senator from new york, and he would have i don't think the country goes, "we -- look, we elected a peanut farmer from plains, georgia you know, we elected a governor who was an actor so it's the person i don't think new york has a stigma we can't elect a new yorker it's just, you name those critters and i think that was the answer right there [ laughter ] >> seth: hey, i want to ask about, you know, this last year. and i think it's probably a trend over longer than just a year, don't get me wrong but we have seen a lot of brands get behind social issues now, i think one good question, if it's anything more than just surface presentation of "we support these causes" and maybe sort of empty tweets and instagram posts as opposed to, you know, actual initiatives but is this -- are you surprised that advertising has become so tied to the social issues of the day? >> no, and they're not -- look, i think most ceos are decent people, but they're not necessarily doing it from the heart. they're doing it from the bottom line in that,

king and bobby kennedy. he just recommitted himself to doing their work and the other work, and the work that was important to him. but it was a very sad and dark time for him, but he kept forging ahead, and lived out his life making sure that he touched people and changed the things he could. but, no, he never was jaded and never felt like there was something that would keep him back. he inspired his colleagues, everyday, in congress. they looked to him. so he felt positive and confident in that leadership. linda: he wanted us always to be positive, always to be off mystic, always to be hopeful, stay focused, pace yourself, it will happen. slow down, linda, we will get there. jon: the one wilderness period was in the late 60's, the new york phase, but that was remarkably brief, 40 days. michael: that's when he meets his wife, isn't it? jon: i think that's a little bit later. i was struck by something michael and linda said about the trappings of power. the first time, i met him was on election night in a ge

king and and bobby kennedy and he just recommitted himself. you know to doing their work and the other work in the work that was important to him, but it was it was very sad and dark time for him, but he just kept forging ahead and he lived out his life making sure that he touched people and changed, you know, the things that he could but no, he never was jaded and never felt like there was something that was going to keep him back. he inspired his colleagues. every day in congress they look to him. and so he really he felt positive and confident in that. and that leadership. always lynda hold your hold up a little. i'm sorry. excuse me. he wanted us to always be positive always be optimistic always be hopeful stay focused pace yourself. it'll happen slow down linda we'll get there. the one wilderness period was in the late 60s the new york phase but remarkably brief. a little bit longer than 40 days, but that's when he meets his wife isn't it during that period does a little bit later. um, but he i struck by something that michael and lynda s

." >> and it was bobby kennedy blocking his brother from going to sinatra's estate out in californiablican after that. >> i was going to say, it broke his heart and changed his politics in a lot of way. jake, it's great to see you, my friend. we love these crossover events when we get to steal you for a little bit. keep writing these books. i have a process question, first. you and i lead similar lives. we have children exactly the same ages, we love our families, we like to be with them, we have weekday shows and sunday shows. so when on earth did you write a novel? >> no, i just have this rule where when i'm in the middle of a writing project, i just need to write a minimum of 15 minutes every day. that's the commitment i make. 15 minutes a day. because anybody can find 15 minutes a day, you know, after the kids go off to school, over lunch, right before you go to bed. and if that's all you do, 15 minutes a day, by the end of the week, you have an hour, 45 minutes under your belt, it's something. and it usually ends up being more than 15 minutes. it's like the commitment to do card

facts, kennedy, pope, john john glenn, beetles, peace corps, clay, clambered, pope paul, the wall, johnson, warhol, streisand, hippie, dion, woodstock, the pale, tiny tim, james bond, brant, bobby, wallace, the supremes, psychedelic, duke, why it, malcolm x, armstrong, nixon, demonstrations, but no name, no single word repeated itself as often on the pages and with so much controversy as the name, vietnam. it was a strange mixture of peace and war, a battlefield nowhere, and the battlefield everywhere. lived during the day. that's at night. an ally at one moment. an enemy the next. a lush jungle mixed with a brushed barb wire. it was all of this. those who wanted to find the war might have had to hunt for. it those who didn't want to find the war often become the hunted. around the world and particularly the united states of america, there was another battle, a battle of words. politics, and debate. the question was who was the hunter in vietnam, and who was the hunted. who would define aggressor and defender? there was a large search for the definition of the word peace. the peace only mean the absence of war or the absence of war and fear and oppression. this film is the stor