. >> greta: how about bobby knight? >> well, he did it in the past.he difference is, is that, first of all, it was a bit of a different day and age. second of all, that is not to dismiss it because he was abusive at that time. and a he paid the penalty for it. but also bobby knight won and won regularly. rice's record was 44-51. he was 16-38 in the the conference. >> greta: do you get immunity if you have a winning record for that kind of bullying behavior? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think you you get immunity at all and i don't think bobby knight got immunity. he was the poster child up until now and now replaced by mike rice. this cannot be tolerated. they are there and put in place to motivate guys, to get them to be better. to be looked up to and admired. but you know, this is a failure in all of our beg institutions. look at what goes on in the churches with the priests. what goes on with the coaches, jerry sandusky. in the schools with the teachers fixing grades and tears apart the fabric of our society and it it is difficult to repair tha

bobby knight, indiana coach, notorious for his temper. with his hands around a player's neck to get him fired. the ultimate irony? knight has a gig at espn. the same network with analysts calling for rice to be fired. should the rutgers coach be fired? facebook.com/carolcnn. or tweet me @carolcnn. >>> the conservative man of the moment. now dr. ben carson taking aim at the left. calling white liberals racist. but is he ignoring problems within his own party? our political panel will weigh in. carfirmation. only hertz gives you a carfirmation. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage. luckily, he found someone who gave him a fresh perspective on his portfolio. and with some planning and effort, hopefully bob can retire at a more appropriate

but bobby knight was given many chances before squandering all of them. had been as successful as knight as a coach, would he have been fired? >> yes that plays a huge part of it. bob knight got a second chance, third chance and fourth chance but he finally lost his job at the indiana university when he put his hands around the neck of a player. it's the same analogy. video is released. people are appalled, and all those legendary stories of bob knight is less cuddly when you see it for yourself. one of the first people who were approached for comment after coach rice lost his job was the family of tyler clemente. he took his own life after his roommate videotaped him with another young man. that type of thing would never have happened under bob knight. there is much less tolerance for homophobia and bullying and the damage it can cause. >> john: let me ask, and people need to go to youtube to hear how ugly the slurs were. but if young mr. clemente had not committed suicide at this university, would this be as big of a deal at rutgers? >> no, i will tell y

>> bobby knight in indiana was a ledge end and a great coach, by the way. but he had a terrible temper. he did stuff and the school kept putting it off -- there's a picture of it. finally, he threw a chair and hit his own kid and the school let him go. but that's because it was a public issue. >> this was an attack on chairs. >> if this was a parent, let's say he was the little league coach, the other parents would have freaked out and he would have been gone a long time ago -- >> ask me i. are you a parent? >> if my parent was loafing on the sidelines, or not playing defense if i would have a problem with the coach -- forget the slur it's. >> what about the physical stuff? >> hoo if he threw a ball, i have to be honest -- i am all right with it. i come from a different time, though. i come from a time when coaches did this on a regular basis. they got in your face, they threw stuff at you. they got angry. it wasn't the end of the world. >> not like that. i had football coaches that would grab my mask and call me names, but they would never -- >> you want a

this goes on all the time just think bobby knight but universities and colleges turn the other cheekecause it brings in some much money >> but it doesn't he had three years of a losing season making $650,000 per year and was a terrible coach. why didn't they fire him whenever first came out? i don't know. >> it is disgraceful what this coach did and it is awful -- awful fusillade fired now when it becomes public. students need to be a the whistle blower. i don't know not one of them came forward to. >> the director of physical development the student's name came forward and he was fired. >> it is not about money? >> they turn the other cheek. >> i don't like sports. i was a piano major if up professor through a metronome at me i can tell you he would we fired. the state-funded rutgers university is a state university was afraid if they stick action it might come out and become public. >> and now they have a good on their face. gerri: we should have the education panel. [laughter] it you did a great job. thank you for coming on. when we come back how to avoid the travel fees and more

and even bobby knight... they would never do that and the professional league.the kids have to take it especially at a school like rutgers. >> and how creek to throw something at somebody? >> correct. what makes it even worse is that he was a losing streak. at least three players have transferred wonder.especially since steve alford introduced steve aflord was introduced today in westwood - just the 13th basketball coach in the storied history of that program high expectations in ucla - the school has produced 11 ncaa championships - more than any other school howland who was fired after the bruins first round exit from the ncaa tourney alford comes over after six years at new mexico aaron gordon to arizona alford will have to deal with high school all- american aaron gordon twice a year as gordon commits to pac-12 rival arizona gordon is a 6-foot-8 forward out of archbiship mitty of san jose gordon was courted by every major program in the country and is considered one of the best, if not the best high school recruit heading to college next year gordon led mitt

. >> you saw bobby knight, remember when he choked that guy. >> yeah.ow it's wrong when we see it. >> but i remember in high school -- this is -- but i remember my coach at one point i played basketball, i remember i was looking out the window daydreaming action and i remember he threw the ball at me and i was remember how shocked i was. it was so jarring. the team ganged up on the coach and said, what are you doing? >> right. >> in this case it look like normal, everyday behaviors. >> 90% of you said in our poll he should be fired. unless he truly apologizes, to go into some sort of training to change. >> i wonder if he has kids. if you're yelling and pushing, shoving all these kids on your team. >> probably there's no better time to talk about what's sitting in front of me. this is an organization called child help. i've been working with. i've forgotten, maybe 20 years. they're incredible ladies that we have met here before. sara and yvonne, they founded it. you guys, when i started working with child abuse -- today is the day of hope. usually i woul

bobbie knight is looking at this footage and thanking god smartphones weren't more popular when he was a coach. this happens a lot. this guy got caught. that was it. there is a phrase nice guys finish last and that's because he shot a player. >> no he didn't. >> i think that is true. i think it is true, and in the 1940s it was frowned upon. they frowned and then moved on. >> were they good? was the rutgers team good? >> no. >> he should have been fired for his record. >> he was paid $650,000 a year on his contract and has not had one winning season. explain to me why they didn't fire him when they first found out? >> were they any better? >> what you are saying, remi, which i am shocked a defense attorney is saying this that winning is the only thing that matters. it is okay if he kills somebody. we win. is that what you are saying, protector of murderers? >> it would make more sense if they wanted to protect their winning coach, but he is not that. >> what is happening to america? my feeling is -- that question had nothing to do with anything. >> just a lament. >> but i said this earl

their basketball coach mike rice after he engaged in a pattern of behavior that made him resemble bobby knight'se angrier petulant little brother. >> reporter: what caused coach mike rice his job today. he was fired after this video was released showing him hitting, kicking hurling basketballs at players' heads. and behind the bleeps, screaming obscenityies including homophobic words during his first three years of coach. >> the verbal abuse the belittling yeah, i was in total shocked that this guy wasn't fired immediately on the spot. >> that was eric mourdock assistant coach former nba player, second all time in the thank you in steals pretty productive player. not only was rice not fired at the time those videos taken between 2010 and 2012, but actually mourdock eventually was let go. here's more from abc. >> but instead the stem former director of player development eric mourdock says he was fired after reporting the abuse last year. coach rice was initially suspended for three games. first to pay a $50,000 fine and to take anger management classes. >> so mourdock loses his job very importan

he grabbed the player around the head, bobby knight but he grabbed him around the neck and got kicked. fast forward, lutrel coaching -- there he is at 15 seconds. sorry about that. look, if those guys had been prosecuted, maybe it wouldn't happen at rutgers. >> you can't compare to what coach rice of him being choked for 15 seconds. >> gregg: there was no prosecution in that days. >> each case has to be looked at differently. >> these facts do not rise to the level of a crime. i'm not sure they are technically a crime in this situation with a coach with an athletic team. to answer your original question i would rather be prosecuted than have this tape go viral. >> gre a handful of hockey players have been charged with assault over the years. they gave me one of them 2004, todd bertuzzi pled guilty after slug ago player from behind. the coach here at rutgers kicking a player from behind. is there any material different. >> nhl is an odd example because they punch each other in the face. >> gregg: what happened at rutgers was worse? >> i don't see where it's technically a crime. its mis

all you have to do is think bobby knight.ities and colleges turn the other cheek because it brings in so much money. >> it doesn't in this case. i don't mean to interrupt, but it doesn't. three years of a losing season making $650,000 per year and he was a terrible coach. why they did not fire him when they first came out, i don't know. gerri: let's get cat in year. we have to give you a chance to chime in. >> it is disgraceful what this cuts did. i think it is awful that he is only being fired now when this becomes public. students need said be okay with being a whistle-blower. these poor students who were at the players, the fact that -- i don't know, that not one of them came forward. >> the director of physical development for the student came forward. he was fired. >> that is exactly. gerri: is not about money. >> that turn the other cheek. i don't like sports. i was a piano major in college. one of my piano professors at tournament for nominee he would have been fired. >> this state-funded, rutgers university is a state

remember bobby knight?eo with his hands around a player's neck that led to his dismissal. >> maybe i grabbed him by the shoulder, by the back of the neck, i don't know. i don't rm everything i've ever done in practice. >> now the question loomds, wil rice face the same fate as knight? some questions will rice be fired, but will pernetti and other officials involved in the decision face dismissal? cnn's attempts for comment were unsuccessful. john and brooke, you have to remember, this is a school where tyler clemente, a gay student, committed suicide after being the victim of cyberbullying and the don imus case, he was fired, and the university led that charge after his racial slurs against the women's basketball team. a lot of people saying there are inconsistency here with how the university deals with this issue. >> that context will have to color how rutgers chooses to go forward in the days ahead. pamela brown, thank you so much. >>> espn out in front on this story and john barr is here with us. first

he makes bobby knight look like mr. rogers. he got fired today, and well he should.ook at some of these things he's doing. he hits a guy in the head. [ bleep ]. >> a little homophobic epithet for you. >> he's just now fired today, and the a.d. got the tape in november. >> i want to know how the a.d. and president still have their jobs. did we not live through -- not that this is the same thing as joe paterno. but how did these guys, they saw this, they gave him a little bit of a fine, a 50 -- $50,000 fine. they gave him some time off. and these are children. these are children. how do either of those men still have their job. >> the a.d. got the tape in november. he said he just gave it to the president this week. the president formed a committee or investigators. who needs a committee. >> until new jersey, at rutgers, a student killed himself. i don't remember this. he was abused for being gay. and someone used a web cam to show him having gay sex. this got the state of new jersey to enact some of the toughest laws in the country. this guy should be highly aware of

. >> bobby knight. >> and he paid the price for it. he was found out about it.e suffered the consequences. >> all right. you don't -- >> we're in a different age. a different age. >> please go there. this is important. >> it used to be okay to spank your children or take a slash. you know. take a belt to the behind. well, that all changed. that changed in the last -- >> are we better off -- i mean, i'm just -- i'm looking at american men and they're just becoming, is a said woosfied. i'm not fewer slur organize abusive behavior. i'm simply saying you can disagree with someone. you can say, hey, block that guy out. hey, take that shot. can't you? >> absolutely. that's not what has gone on here. mike rice and the other assistants, who had to resign, jimmy bertelli, they're way over the line. this isn't what goes on and there are lot of kids kids kidse abused and it happens every day and they feel it's their fault. and a lot of kids who are abused by their parents still loved their parents. nobody loved mike rice. the players despited him and they're afraid. at it

remember legendary coach bobby knight, he was known for his hot temper and throwing chairs. but it was this video showing him with his hands around a player's neck that led to his dismissal at indiana. >> maybe i grabbed reed by the shoulder. maybe i took him by the back of the neck, i don't know. i don't remember everything that i've ever done in practice. >> reporter: now the question looms. will rice face the same fate as knight? >> and we attempted to get comments from rice or the university, and we were unsuccessful. but certainly a developing story here. >> lebron james and other nba stars have been following this. they've been tweeting overnight saying they're shocked by this too. it's not like athletes are saying, it's okay. this happens all the time. >>> new developments this morning in the murder of two district attorneys in kaufman, texas. police have a person of interest, a former justice of the peace who was fired for corruption and prosecuted by the two dead men. eric williams says police met with him at a local restaurant and swabbed his hands for signs of gun

perhaps most famously, former indiana coach bobby knight.r this video of knight putting his hands on a player's throat? he was eventually hired to be the head coach of texas tech. more recently in football, texas tech fired mike leach after he was accused of sending an injured player to a storage shed as punishment. strongly denied mistreating players. he now coaches at washington state university. so, there are lives for these coaches beyond being fired. some say bullying behavior is just part of being a successful coach. is that so? let's bring in now the founding editor of "espn" the magazine, roxanne jones in new york. roxanne, i've been reading your piece, i read your piece. it's very controversial, you wrote it for espn.com. you said firing rice will not accomplish anything. why are you saying that? >> i'm saying it because it's true, don, it's true. you just showed video of bobby knight and leach, and my point is if we think he's the only bully in sports, that this is the only coach who uses this technique, and if we fire him and caus

i'm old enough to remember bobby knight and some of the past egregious behaviors by college coaches,nd led to their firing. there's a lot of money involved here. we should put that out. the school gets a lot of money for the good record they achieved. >> yeah, he makes $700,000 a year, he had a five-year contract. rutgers had not been very successful. the basketball program has had a lot of problems over the year. rutgers had some problems athletically, now moving to the big ten, so the stakes get increased. and they've had trouble. they've had trouble luring a big basketball coach into that program. they've had a lot of issues. coaching haven't won. kevin bannon had problems with some abuse, now this situation. rutgers has been a mess athletically. obviously $700,000 for a basketball coach is not as much as you would think. they will get a good coach in there they have a good arena, a good alumnae base, they have financial support, and i'm sure they don't have to pay rice. i'm not sure of the story about the last two, at least years the contract, but it's a big embarrassment. it's a

remember legendary coach bobby knight?e was known for his hot temper and throwing chairs, but it was this video showing him with his hands around a player's neck that led to his dismissal at indiana. >> i mean, maybe i grabbed him by the shoulder, maybe i took him by the back of the neck, i don't know. i mean, i don't remember everything that i've ever done in practice. >> i want to bring in pamela brown. so first of all, i mean, it seems outrageous for those of us not in sports, but talk to some people and some coaches actually do behave this way. could this school face any kind of legal repercussions because of all this? >> well, suzanne, at this point it appears the university would actually be in more legal trouble than mike rice. according to an analyst the university knew about this for a long time, in fact since last summer. and essentially officials made the decision to put rice on probation and send him to anger management. now it appears that officials are back peddling on that deal that they struck with rice. so

militaristic like a general coach that existed a lot more in that time than you see embodied in a bobby knight or a mike ditka. and i think for the most part that has gone away. see more coaches like phil jackson and bill belichick who understand mutual respect gets you farther than fearful and i think this guy did not get the memo that that era has died and it is over and will get you fired for doing that. and i don't think he fully understands that yelling at people does not make them perform better. demeeng them, using gay slurs, kicking them does not make them perform better. i think that building up an athlete's self-esteem makes them perform better. >> toure, all your talk of plut you'll respect is just contributing to the wussification of america's men. let's hear a real man, eric bowling, make the case. >> we're in the midst of political correctness crushing our ability to teach kids, to discipline kids, to disagree with people, one another or kids. our culture is in decline. but this is an example of our culture in free fall. i'm saying because he got fired. not because of what he did

legendary football coach woody hayes actually went after a player on an opposing team and of course bobby knightho had a series of issues that eventually he was fired for. but i wonder, i mean, really, i didn't even see this tape until this morning and then he's gone. i think our tolerance and our understanding of what's right and wrong, how far you can go, has changed, don't you think? >> no question. this is 2013. we're in the age of twitter and facebook, social media dominates. and this stuff goes rampant. and yesterday when everyone watched the video, it was like the mothers and fathers at home voted on this as well. and rutgers heard all the reaction. being a state university, they had to do this. there was no answer. i thought mike might go in and resign today. i thought that might be the cleanest way to do that. but tim pernetti fired him. i like that he says, i have to work on regaining the trust of this community, because he's on the hook here, too. >> he said, i'm responsible for this. i made the decision. but i have to believe there's going to be pressure on them to let him go as well

you know, coach bobby knight, infamous for being a hothead. >> will reed, the choking motion. >> do youh, we'll find out, are other kids and other athletic programs going to feel the comfort and the confidence to come forward if they need to expose something like this? >> it's shocking that with the world of cell phone cameras we didn't get this video earlier. i do not think this is par for the course in college athletics. now, the ncaa has taken a lot of black eyes over the last couple of years. they have to show leadership here. i do not think we'll see other cases like this. this is a disturbed individual. i don't think this the whole of basketball. guys like john calipari and rick pitino, mike krzyzewski, that's what college basket all is all about. >> a bribery part to the story is emerging as well. >>> we'll get more of that. >>> the first lady go goes to bat for number 42, including an emotional tribute to his widow, rachel robinson. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you

>>gretchen: i was also thinking bobby knight. >>brian: bobby knight's done a fraction of what we saw in that practice. >>gretchen: he was usually throwing chairs. >>brian: i think he kicked his son once. >>steve: this video very embarrassing. we've got the latest on the situation in rutgers and so much more. let's start with a manhunt. >>gretchen: the search is on for two inmates on the run this morning. brian allen tucker and john king managed to break out of a jail in texas by tampering with a fence in a recreation yard. yesterday police found their jail uniforms. they were on railroad tracks. both men are believed to be wearing only t-shirts and boxers. one was awaiting trial on a capital murder charge. >> new details about the man suspected of killing a prison chief. it took a parole officer five days to check on him. these details coming one day after we found out that ebel was let out of prison early because of a clerical mistake. he was killed in a shootout with police in texas. >> a guy doing what made him the star of a c

. >> it kind of makes the bobbi knight video we saw years ago look tame. that's how bad it is. >> and he only lasted six months after that. >> i have a feeling there will be pink slips after this one. >>> the latest on the tragic death of shain gandee, star of the mtv reality show "buckwild." carbon monoxide poisoning now confirmed as the cause of death for gandee and the two men found with him. abc's david kerley has the latest from sissonville, west virginia. david, good morning. >> reporter: we know that shain gandee was doing what he loved in the early morning hours. what we don't know was he doing it just for fun or were mtv cameras rolling? this morning this small west virginia town is planning a funeral. shain gandee was the breakout star of the mtv reality show "buckwild." the fun-loving 21-year-old nicknamed gandee candy found ways in his rural hometown to have a good time including something known as mudding. >> mudding is like a stress reliever. >> reporter: driving into a mud hole and trying to get out. but that mud apparently contributed to hi

even bobby knight who i thought there was always something about him that i like even with the profanityhy he never coached prose. he believed guys. he could only do with 18 and 19 year-old spirit >> lebron saw this as that of that had a my kids, i'm going down there. >> of course. it is real bad. to tell the truth, they didn't even win with that style. they had a losing record. >> this is just a big black eye and an embarrassment. >> i will be curious to see if they have to pay him. that served as yesterday and they knew they had the rear of them, that was it. >> that happened at seventh it seemed as warning. we talked about the raiders and nine years but just to sum up at the paul it will be curious to see >> what he does. he and the richest contract for a defensive back and in a pretty much got rid of of. he is back home. is a really great guy, always in the committee helping kids. yesterday when the announcement was made, he was taking kids are around trying to get them set up so they can have a chance to go to college and meet the right people and all this up. hopefully, he still wa

bobby! you're my big naked knight! i'm dying. gentlemen, enter the ring. may the best nude win.im like a naked piñata, dad! break him open for some candy! okay, bob, time to do this! not today, bob! oh! the little guy flips the fatty like a patty! we've got a pin! no! yes! i win! you took linda from me, you were the scourge of my professional life, but this time, i win! (laughing wildly) you can get off me now, hugo! never! (laughing): i win! let's go home, lin. all right. i win, win, win! wow. that was rough. naked and defeated. just the way he entered this world. bobby, you put your pants on backwards, honey. doesn't matter. none of it matters. we lost the restaurant, lin. tina, let's put our pants on backwards, too. let's do it for dad! i'm wearing a skirt, but okay. (door bell jangles) hugo? what are you doing here? and why are you wearing clothes? or is that just body paint? today, at the beach, you tasted my sweet victory, but i realized something: it wasn't enough. what does that mean? i want to shut you down-- i do-- not some dirty doody-dropper-- me. until then, you're

i think people like bobby knight, if there would have been video capabilities and stuff around -- i thinkave lost his job a lot sooner than he did. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: but they were actually standing up. and i'm thinking how can you say you are changing your message and that you have respect for people -- >> stephanie: right. >> caller: it was just horrifying for me to hear some of the things that she was telling me. and on hannity's program the night before they were making big jokes about it and -- >> stephanie: yeah, they always cry -- look at those politically correct liberals -- this behavior is just abusive. >> yes. >> stephanie: kicking people and shoving them around -- >> that's assault as well. >> caller: and the verbal stuff. the guys come in and they are wearing flip flops and he calls them a bunch of you know what -- oh it was just -- regardless i just thought if you guys hadn't heard about that maybe you should. >> stephanie: thank you, carol. i have never heard of this thing, there being splits? famous republican families. [ wah wah ] >> stephanie: but theory --