house speaker john boehner says poppycock.n democrats say republicans plan to impeach the president they're wrong. >> the whole talk of impeachment is coming from the president's own staff and democrats on capitol hill. why? because they're trying to rally their people to give money and to show up in this year's election. we have no plans to impeach the president. we have no future plan. listen, it's all a scam started by democrats at the white house. >> not all a scam. the speaker's right, he has never put impeachment on the table but a few republicans have, including sarah palin and that's why democrats have seized on, republicans who say impeach him or we'd like to impeach him or we'd vote for impeachments. democrats are using a lot of hyperbole to raise money. the house republicans are suing the president and guess what? they say they're suing it on principle but also trying to raise some political money off of it. here's a republican e-mail thanks for supporting the lawsuit. please send money so we can elect more republic

to say something because today was a big day for john boehner. members of congress, of course, don't spend all that many official days in session anymore as you can see from their calendar. after today, they had no work days at all scheduled for month of august. lawmakers who aren't running for president go home and tell their constituents how much they accomplished in the capitol for the last year and two. with the midterm elections in november, boehner's plans was to send his members home for the summer break equipped to tell virp they had taken action, they had taken real action on the kris crisis of unaccompanied kids crossing into the united states. president obama asked congress for $3.7 billion to help deal with this genuine crisis at the border. boehner and his fell low republicans cut that back by 80%. their plan was to vote on that today. to pass that and then to be able to say, see, we did something. we led. and they thought they were ready to do it. republican leaders in the house spent the past few days whipping through votes making

lou: good evening, house speaker boehner and republican leaders suffering a stunning embarrass am on capitol hill. they were forced to abandon their own legislation addressing crisis on the border, speaker boehner and his new team confronted with a rebellion more which of member -- of conservate member complaint, the bill left up touched, president's 2012 action, for illegal immigrant minors, regarded as a primary motivate or for tens of thousands of so-called unaccompanied children. rather than see the legislation defeated, speaker boehner pulled and told house members to forget about starting their 5-week summer recess, bain are' boehnes edict created chaos. >> i am hopeful by late this afternoon we'll be able to notify the time of it. >> the house will be in order. >> madame speaker, i yield back. lou: new leadership team having a very tough inaugural. passage of the legislation was never certain, but tea party senior ted cruz reportedly played a large role in helping to derail the bill, he was the -- house republicans to vote against it. >> this all began in the summer of 2012, w

boehner knows this. and he's trying to manage a very unruly caucus and so he goes kind of halfway by suing the president. and he focuses on executive orders related to health care. but it hasn't done much to calm his ranks. and i think the president has been able to use this to his political advantage and you look at the millions democrats have been able to raise since this lawsuit happene it's a potent thing ahead of the mid terms for them. >> i think what's really interesting here is one day that are talking about suing the president. the next day republicans are saying, oh, there are things that the president can do in executive order. which is why they're suing him in the first place. on the immigration issue. so i'm not really clear whether the divisions within the republicans themselves are more important at this point or larger than the divisions that they have with the white house. the democrats. >> and there was a lot of mockery of the mouse republicans for that being their response. after the c

they're going to try to whip up support for boehner's border bill. but they're about to head into a recess and they can't find the votes. >> david, back to the senate. there is an unprecedented situation going on there on this amendment. this situation where the no amendments, by the way, they're not allowed on the majority side either. this is a the 21st century phenomena. this is the kind of legislation with some standard kind of amending procedure probably would have moved in the senate, even with the players who are in there now. >> well, i don't know if we know whether it would move, whether republicans would city try to delay it. as you know, there are a lot of different ways to delay, there's filibuster, there's extending debate on every amendment. so harry reid tried to get it through quickly, because there is indeed this humanitarian crisis everyone talks about. you know, i don't quite know what the calculation was on his side. but it seems that the house is completely stalled and it doesn't matter what's going to happen in the house. it loo

says they don't listen to what boehner says anyway.o it. >> i want to talk about the bus tour because i find all bus tours and especially republican bus tours interesting and worthy of analysis, eugene. politico has an interesting sort of suggestion in their coverage of boehner's bus tour and it is that it is a form of an insurance policy for boehner which is to say he shows up with these fund raisers, low dollar, high dollar and posey for photos and gives a speech and in return, boehner gets another one of his troops willing to watch his back because if you are john boehner you do not have a lot of people watching your back in this house. >> no, you don't. >> is this effective outreach if you can call it that? >> you know, i'm not sure. given what has transpired the last few years i'm not sure that this is a valid insurance policy and, sure, he gets a lot of temporary friends who will say nice things about him, but when they say i need you to vote for this bill, will they vote for it and the answer historically is no. how many times h

he spoke to speaker boehner about senator ted cruz's role in tanking the border bill that boehner was proposed until yesterday and the quote is when asked why they thought of cruz's meddling and what they thought of cruz's meddling, boehner associates were livid. i mean is there a sense in the gop that speaker boehner now has less control over the house than ted cruz? >> well, i think there is that sense out there. i was at a session that speaker pelosi -- speaker pelosi -- leader pelosi had with a group of reporters yesterday, and i asked her what she thought of house whip ted cruz, and she said around here we call him the speaker. and i think that the republicans and speaker boehner has always been furious about this and this was an enormous embarrassment to him yesterday, that he couldn't bring this bill to the floor because he didn't have the votes. and i think that this week may be a turning point in our discussion. i mean there are many occasions for turning points. this might be it. you had two things. one is voting on this really, really right wing bill, which sends a message

the prospects are less certain for the speaker of the house, john boehner. critics and the gop are headed back to washington and it looks as though they are bringing reinforcements. peter cook has more. it seems for a time as though john boehner's job as speaker was in trouble. is it about to get tougher? >> here is the reality -- john boehner -- republicans look like they're going to an house but that core group that has given him some any problems, there's a good chance based on the numbers right now that group is going to get larger. you've got 10 of the 12 house republicans who did not support him for speaker back in january of 2013 cruising onto reelection. two of them who are not in that group chose to run for senate. that, the on top of prospect of new republicans running for congress now. as many as it doesn't have said they are not prepared at this point to commit to support speaker boehner if they get elected next year. that means you got a core group of republicans that is growing and threatening to put john boehner's grasp on the level somewhat i

highly critical of something speaker boehner said.id it is ridiculous to sue the president on a wednesday because he oversteps the law, as he has done a dozen times illegally and unconstitutionally, and then on a thursday say that he should overstep the law, contradict the law that passed in 2008 and deal with this himself. was that a mistake by speaker boehner to say the president should act alone on his own executive authority? >> i think both of them have a great point in the sense that charles krauthammer is right. house republicans can't go home until we put our solution forward, and we're going to. the speaker is also right in that the president helped create this crisis. he could address it very aggressively. we know he won't. that's why we're staying here and why we're going to get the job done. >> what has been the concern, what have you heard from conservatives? why is it that this -- you didn't have the votes yesterday? what was the biggest problem? >> yeah, you know, it's really around the margins of this bill, the details

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looks like finally boehner is getting what he wants tonight. yesterday's spectacle scared republicans into line. minutes ago house republicans passed the first of them. the second one is being debated as we speak. think of this. we've now just had 24 hours of drama and recriminations and screaming headlines about pulled bills, chaos, finger pointing among republicans in congress. the idea of all this from john boehner's standpoint was for republicans to show people they'd done something. but is anyone's takeaway from all this going to be, ah, that's great, republicans passed the bill? is their take away going to be, wow, congress really is just as messed up as we thought it was? average voters may not know or care whether it's house republicans who house democrats who are screwing up here, but they do know that congress isn't working. if they absorb anything in the last 24 hours, it's probably that. and that, in turn, the fact that that's what most people probably take away from this, that makes it much easier for obama to argue that he has no

and so speaker boehner is not entirely in charge. he knows that impeachment would be terrible politically for republicans. and yet, he often gets taken away by the most extreme parts of his party. and i don't know that he can control this. even if he knows what the right thing is to do. >> you were watching live as we await the president of the united states to come at the end of this historic africa summit. africa leaders summit. and hold a press conference moments away, and we'll show it to you live, and then have reaction right after it concludes. let me go back to you, ryan. michele bachmann, congresswoman, she says republicans, if they don't impeach the president, they should at least go after his cabinet. listen to this. >> for instance, i would nominate the head of homeland he is security who will execute the laws. we are going to hold the person accountable who is fwoing to execute your law use is law, and we will bring that person up for betrayal of public trust and we will impeach that official. >> now they are going after

with some republicans following the lead of senator ted cruz over speaker john boehner. talk about now with david hawking, senior editor for roll call. thanks for joining us. >> hi. >> several opinion pieces today say although the house ultimately passed the bill, the fact that the first version was pulled for lack of support is a sign that the republican leadership is in disarray in one person's words, mainly due to the conflict between the party establishment and the tea party faction led by texas senator ted cruz. do you agree? >> i don't agree. i think that that's been a story line for much of the past three years really, almost four years now. since the so-called tea party wave of 2011. but i think that in this case, there were some things that were different about the way the house republican leadership acted. one was they didn't really get rolled as publicly as they have been in the past by these ensurths. they will saw the problem. it was a relatively small number of members that was revolting against what they wanted to do. they will stopped themselves from havi

that was the plan, boehner said. but yesterday came, yesterday went, those votes in the house, they never happened. boehner had to yank his own bills off the floor because he didn't have the republican support that he needed. he didn't have 218 republicans to vote yes. republican party essentially killed its own republican bills. on its own. and that was amazing. but what was stunning really is how the republican leadership responded to that failure yesterday. on thursday, they told the president to take more unilateral actions. quote, there are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now without the need for congressional action. if that sounds like republicans calling for executive action the day after condemning executive action, wait until you hear the republican try to explain it. >> there was a contradiction yesterday that i'm struggling to understand. the leadership statement when the bill didn't pass essentially said, well, there are plenty of administrative things that president obama cou

to say something because today was a big day for john boehner. of congress, of course, don't spend all that many official days in session anymore as you can see from their calendar. after today, they had no work

speaker of the house boehner talks like the tea party people think. he talks about the president betraying the constitution, betraying the integrity of his office. all the lingo you would use in an impeachment trial. >> that's right. 57% of the republicans who vote in primaries would like to see congress impeach the president. and he's aware of that, and so is the tea party. >> are you in the 57 pest? >> i have lived through impeachment. it doesn't work politically. it's never going to get through the senate, so don't bother. we have tried impeachment. what we should probably do -- this lawsuit thing is not a bad alternative. >> would you do it. >> impeachment? >> you don't want to go back and read ken starr's feetnotes. thank you, steve and thank you, john. great to have you on. you were flacking a little bit tonight. >>> up next, one of my colleagues responds to a coleague. you know who she is. this is "hardball," the place for politics. nineteen years ago, we thought, "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the p

. >> said to speaker boehner. >> when is he going to take responsibility for something? >> the best way to avoid me acting on my own -- work with me to actually do something. >> doing something is better than doing nothing. i'm right there. door is always open. >> i'll go to them. i'll -- you know -- wash their car. walk their dogs. >> republicans continue to work tirelessly. >> good to have you with us tonight, thanks for watching, here the latest on immigration, after failing to pass a border bill on thursday, house republicans are expected to vote even more radical bills, two of them tonight. republicans had meetings all day today. a new border bill would stop president obama from taking executive actions similar to his 2012 deferred action on child arrivals. the program grants a.mnesty for children who come to the country without adult supervision and meet certain requirements. bill would also stop the program from processing new children after july 30th, 2014 just a couple of days ago. earlier today, congresswoman michele bachman said it was radical enough for her t

the bad news for john boehner is that the anti-boehner chorus could be bigger. there are dozen republicans on their way to victory who have said on the campaign trail that they will not support or at least at this point will not commit to back boehner as speaker. that includes mark walker am a gary palmer of alabama, joey heist, all of them running for the house and looking like they are likely to win. boehner could still win with the support of the rest of the conference. there is no guarantee that he could hold onto his job but his job is already difficult enough. it could be difficult even if republicans hold on to the house. >> talk about support for the speaker, when will it be put to the test? >> it will be put to the test when the new congress convenes. we expect them, but the real test policy wise might come in march. that is what we have, another debt ceiling vote. again, up to the speaker to try to convince his members on how to handle that policy issue and whether he can heard these cats once again. us from cook joining d.c. in search of luxury in the

democrats don't want to do john boehner or the new leadership team any favors. meanwhile, in the senate side, you've got senators who are actively trying to kill house legislation. not just this. i mean, they have this huge fight over the highway trust fund bill. this was a day of really intense drama and tension, and by the way, eric cantor gave this very nice i'm leaving speech and talked about bipartisanship and the importance of working together. this is congress. >> well, it's also, i means frankly it's a massive humiliation for the leadership on their first day. i mean, they got rolled once again and got outplayed. it reminds me of the shutdown. john boehner was coming there every day saying we don't want a shutdown. we don't want a shutdown. meanwhile, ted cruz is whipping the house and we saw what happened and saw what a political disaster it was and now they're going to try to rerun this, they're going to allow him to do this 96 days before the election or almost do. it's pretty astounding. >> it is. it's really when you consider it's a very small group

he agreed that boehner was distracted and said they should stick to their principles.he freshman not also reminded them to be skeptical of promises from house leader, particularly of show votes, legislative action designed to placate conservatives that carry little if any weight. that quite assurance was enough to persuade the conservatives to effectively topple boehner's plan. congresswoman lee, i tlirng must be some lack of what, pride? how about pride? when i worked on the hill, the house members referred to the senate as another body. they didn't even talk about it hardly except for some vague reference. here you have this character, this, i don't know. he shows up, he starts orchestrating the place like he's the boss. i've never heard of that happen and he's a far right winger. he's so much like joe mccarthy in his attacks on people's character and now he's bringing down the republican speaker of the house. >> but when you worked here, chris, you did not have a hard core tea party republican base really and that's what it is. and i suggest to you that if senator c

john boehner will enforce a provision of the law that makes little sense. they reached a low point when they couldn't get a draconian, not good border crisis bill through. then released a statement saying we think the president could do it with executive action when they are suing him for executive action. they have abdicated their responsibilities. it is clear john boehner should sue senator ted cruz for acting as a speaker. there are a lot of people meddling in one direction but not doing their own jobs. you touched a nerve. democrats are very frustrated. looking for an answer. >> cruz coming over is like shooting the tires out of a car that's dead. it seems to me it isn't a question of the president having one plan on it. there is no other plan. we are going to stop everything and we're not doing nothing. >> exactly. here is the other thing. the boehner lawsuit is a frivolous lawsuitment the idea of the president suing congress right back, i have to say -- >> maybe on the level of frivolity. fair enough. >> but the reaction that you got last night is the

this is something john boehner himself yesterday and other gop leadership encouraged the president to do when it looked like the house was going to skip town without passing their solution to the border issue. all that being said, though, ari, i found it fascinating that you're starting to see this dynamic. the house stayed back, putting the finishing touches on their bill. it's a bill that goes very far to the right. the leadership trying to do that to placate the more conservative members in an effort to move forward. it has massive changes to daca. it has funding for an increased national guard presence on the border. but this basically puts the onus on the president. it's going to be fascinating to see what he does in terms of executive action while the house is away. now, in terms of him name calling congress, nothing here goes unnoticed. house republican speaker john boehner said the president has been awol during this entire border crisis. the senate has gone home. we're still here finishing our work. so -- >> i love the way they turn that into a positive, luke. >> absolutely.

the video was put out by speaker of the house john boehner today. there's no way around it, toy monkey thing is very, very cute. also, there's no way around it, making videos about toy monkeys clanging cymbals together really does make up the sum total of what congress is doing right now. they're in the middle of a five-week vacation, and as such, what they're not doing emphatically is making any sort of decision about making any sort of decision about maybe possibly having a debate about making a decision to maybe talk about starting to take a vote someday about what is starting to feel like a new u.s. war effort with troops in harm's way and everything. in a new country in the middle east. this is what they do all day. wind him up, clang cymbals together, they fall off the table. wind them up again. joining us now is one u.s. senator who has repeatedly called for congress to debate and vote on potential u.s. military action in iraq and syria. he chairs the senate foreign relations subcommittee that is responsible for policy in that part of the wor

. >> you got the ted cruz and you have the boehner. i'm wondering how much longer boehner can stay i represent the republican base of the party, because the republican base is against the do-nothing attitude that boehner represents. neil: this is where it pops on both party's houses. let's get something done, you are talking past each other. you agree on elements here about tightening security around the border, maybe not to the degree each side wants, republicans every other foot there would be a soldier, and democrat, maybe every other 50 miles. but there are commonalities, we're not seeing it done. >> funny how far apart congress is from the average american who wants something to get done. neil: like what? seen things done in the past, and they've blown up in our face. >> they have blown up in our face and they want reform. i'm not going to represent america in terms of what we can come together on, they want congress to take action, they want them to earn salaries to do what they're supposed to do, and compromise and come up with

john boehner and i came to the congress at the same time. you remember what happened when republicans impeached clinton and how that took the republican party out. you don't want to repeat that history. in many ways, my sympathies are with john boehner because i know what he has to whether in his own caucus. host: you consider the speaker a friend? guest: i certainly do. he and i were classmates. people can be on the opposite sides politically and still be friends. host: we have a couple of tweets. back to this article here that says that you don't have a right to know what's going on in government. his inner council. host: yes ma'am. -- you don't believe americans have a right to know what valerie jarrett is telling obama to do? you are wrong. this one from sea of tranquility -- john dean should never have been brought before the committee during the watergate investigation. not have a right to have valerie jarrett tell you what she is advising the president to do. there is no republican or democratic president who would have told you elsew

boehner did not say that. he not make an unequivocal statement. john boehner took position before he won't shut down the government but he moved forward and shut down the government for 16 days, costing the american people $24 million in lost economic activity. so there's no real credibility there. we're not clear who actually is running the house of representatives. ted cruz the junior senator from texas seems to have outside influence. that's why we're concerned. but, chris, the focus really should be on doing what's right for the american people, dealing with the talking points issue important to the middle class and those who are striving to be part of the middle class. >> we have to leave it there. obviously a conversation to continue here. >> but chairman conyers held impeachment hearings against president bush and dick cheney. hakeem wasn't here to see that. >> that's true. congressman king, congressman jeffries, thank you. what do you think about impeaching the president. join the conversation. when we

here's how john boehner answered at the time. >> you opened up with iraq. i'm curious if you have any suggestions for what the president should do there. >> well, what he should do is have an overarching strategy to deal with the growing threat of terrorism. >> don't you feel, though, that you have some responsibility here to say, here's what i think that we should do? here's what the president should be doing, to be giving counsel at that point? >> i called for more increased u.s. activity a year ago. in january when the isis forces came across the iraq border and began to gather territory, i called on the administration to act, and it's not my job to outline for the president what tools he should use or not use. >> and when he says, what tools he should use or not use, what he means is whether or not the president should use military force. john boehner thinks that is not his job, it's not congress' job, it's the president's job somehow. that was at the same time that he was suing the president for doing too much without congress. well, today house speake

boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. chaplain conroy: let us pray. dear god, we give you thanks for giving us another day. on this day in the midst of great and urgent debate, we ask again that you give all members peace and patience with wisdom and courage to do what is best or our nation.

the bad news for john boehner -- the anti-john boehner chorus next year will be even bigger. there are almost one dozen new republicans on their way to victory in november that have set on the campaign trail that they will not support or at least at this point will not commit to back john boehner and that includes gary palmer, and alabama and georgia talkshow host jody hice. he could still win support from the rest of the conference, continue on as speaker, but his job already is like herding cats , and it looks like there will be a few more cats for him to deal with. expects to said he be the speaker, and one thing he has done to shore up support is republican.to every >> when will be the test? >> assuming the democrats do not when the house, and nobody expects that to happen, it will testand april, and the big will be a vote on the debt ceiling later on in the spring. >> thank you, peter cook. coming up -- staying with politics, rahm emanuel focusing on big data -- balancing the city's need for information on concerns about privacy. cutbacks and consolidation -- that is a r

this is real, it was embarass ment for boehner, yet another one. they don't want politics of this crisis on the border which so far i think hurt president obama and been hurting democrats a little bit. they don't want to see this turn-around on them as they head out for this five-week break and be blamed for not addressing the crisis. jon: because some of the boehner supporters were saying, you know that they have, by not taking that vote yesterday, they have played into the president's hand, by becoming what he says they are, a do-nothing congress. >> exactly. and, look, you know, as far as how this might impact the elections, it is unclear. one thing reinforces stereotypes out there, right? we have sort of this, you know, inaction in congress. you have a president who is bashing congress and republicans charging him for being incompetent and causing this crisis in the first place but certainly republican strategists on hill and republican members, especially moderates who stormed the floor yesterday and agitated with boehner, they don't want to g

some lawmakers like john boehner criticizing the president for the policies saying there should have been residual forces in iraq to prevent this type of escalation from happening. similar comments coming from senators john mccain lindsey grah graham. there are those who say the president is taking the right actions to prevent a potential genocide. so we're getting reaction all over the spectrum. there's also concern, though, betty, here in washington and throughout the country about what is called mission creep. the idea that taking these initial steps could ultimately lead to a broader escalation in iraq. president obama insisted that u.s. troops will not be going back into iraq and the administration call for the iraqi government to create a more inclusive government they believe ultimately that is the key to solving this crisis. meetings going on at the most senior levels. i make one more point. you noted there was an air drop yesterday. food and water 8,000 prepackaged meals, 5300 gallons of water for those people who are stranded on top of that mountain top. i anticipate we'll

boehner can't make a move and so for that reason nothing gets brought up in the in the in the congress so any time to do it in with an extreme group you cannot negotiate with them and the way to do it is to eliminate it with the tea party you have to go through a political thing you haven't the wait till two thousand and twenty to redistrict but that is really tough stuff what do you make of younger americans no less for him in the support of israel israel gets rocked pretty much around the world for their actions well it's which is terrible to me it's terrible because israel has obviously greater power than you know than any of these arab countries they have nuclear weapons and so on so what are they supposed to do they're sitting there and all of a sudden missiles are lobbed been into them now the the horrible optics of this is they strike back and innocent people get killed and so then israel becomes the the one to blame for all of the innocent people getting killed but the fact of the matter is how mosques is causing very innocent population to get killed so israel is in a what and

hear reid and speaker boehner together killed tax reform. basically boehner told dave camp, no, you're out there on your own and harry reid with max baucus, that's all right, cutting you off at the knees. >> the leadership is tied to politics and it's all those politics out there and the extremes in the politics that keep people from being able to do what your dad did and you and i did and others did and that was to build friendships among each other so that you can go to the consensus and get things done. >> but leaders and committee members can't of those relationships anymore. >> but the leaders could allow them. >> i think it's very hard and wouldn't necessarily be good for congress. but go back to tax reform in 1986. >> r and a d. >> but you had leaders on both sides. i believe it was dole and o'neill who empowered those chairmen and said, yes, i will back you up in this effort. and today if harry reid truly empowered max baucus a year and a half ago and john boehner empowered dave camp a year and a half ago, you could get tax reform do