let's bring in bret baer. thanks for getting to us. a huge breaking story.nd the whole thing? >> i don't think so. the bidens want to end the whole thing, the doj is setting up, doesn't really follow precedent here. if you look at these charges, some -- the gun charge should be a felony. other people have faced that with a minimum of 5 years in prison. to distribute, distribution or selling of drugs at the time. there is a statute that deals with that that is not happening here, that charge is being diverted, thrown away and there's two misdemeanor charges on taxes. there's a lot of criticism on capitol hill on this. what doesn't go away as investigation into the alleged bribery scheme and republican say there's more evidence. the doj and the us attorney of delaware after four years, this is the end of their investigation, they will get a lot of heat on that. stuart: i'm sure they will. let's get to your exclusive interview with donald trump. what's the most important take away from your conversation with him? what stuck out to you? >> that he went as detail

thanks for joining the program. >> good to be with you. >> when her gary schlafly sitting down with bret baerxt. >> all right, irs whistleblower gary shapley speaking with bret baier saying he felt hunter biden got special treatment and what's app messages showed investigators weren't allowed to follow the flow of money. >> the importance of that what's app message is irs criminal investigator we need to understand the financial flow of money. we are working an investigation on hunter biden and trying to assess true and accurate tax assessment for him so if there's money going elsewhere whether president biden or elsewhere we needs to follow the investigative steps to insure that happens and they just weren't allowed in this particular investigation. >> shapley also said that felony charges were left off the table. >> is there criminal implications in what you were investigating when it comes to hunter biden? >> oh, absolutely. and you know, the most substantive felony charges were left off the table. >> jonathan turley is a law professor and legal scholar. professor this is obvious now we ha

bret baer with me now. you've been covering this. in your opinion is this a dangerous precedent?t, mark levin, legal experts up and down saying yes, it is, and it is a high bar to get over to go forward with these charges but on the flipside you talk to people who look at the inside of this indictment and say there are troubling facts in here if they are as presented to. we happened heard the trump defense on why he had those documents, why he didn't turn them over, we heard broadly about the president a records act. we have a lot more to learn how they are going to defend against this but for a lot of republicans it feels like a two tiered system of justice. stuart: is it a democrat strategy to keep trump in court on various charges from now to the next election? >> it -- possibly but they are just going forward with what they feel is breaking the law. it's just a high bar when dealing with a political opponent that happens to be leading in the gop nomination was i will say it also raises the bar for the special counsel investigating president biden on document charges. there's

ashley: irs whistleblower gary shapely spoke with bret baer saying the biggest charges against hunteriden were left on the table. >> terminal implications in what you were investigating when it comes to hunter biden? >> absolutely. the most substantive felony charges were left off the table, evasion, 414, false return for 18-19. so as of right now, the information in the public, uses the term excess of one hundred thousand dollars for 2017 separately for 2018. the true number numbers $580,000 of failure to pay for 2017, 627,000 for 2018. this document put it close to 100,000. all at the direction of people overseeing all this. i was left out when that happened. it doesn't even include the false business expenses that he claimed and the prosecutors refused to charge. ashley: that was a long soundbite but we wanted you to get a sense of what we are talking about, the scope of this. you listen to this, he's very credible. wise hunter not getting the book thrown at him? >> that is the big question. incidentally we not only have the testimony of gary shapley who was the supervisor of the h

biden's case reject the so-called sweetheart deal, the irs whistleblower gary shapely spoke with bret baerhat proposed deal? >> several revelations talking about his transcript when he interviewed congress. one thing he talked about was federal investigators including prosecutors in delaware multiple times had search warrants prepared to search properties, but at the last minute backed out and got cold feet. >> we drafted affidavits and a search warrant and a couple different locations and prosecutors at the time had been achieved but as we move closer to the election, and didn't allow us to do that, the legal requirements to execute that search warrants were met. >> reporter: shapely said the us attorney in delaware told him a few times he was not charged with a pro. a probe. that contradict what merrick garland said for more than a year, the david wise was in charge of this probe, was in a meeting last fall, wise insisted he was not calling the shots. >> had him repeat that because i knew how important that was and wanted to make sure i understood. you were there and remembered clearly i

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document in question and that does stand in a bit of a contrast with what we know he told fox news' bret baerhere he denied even having any classified documents. his response was muddled and a little confusing. let's listen to what exactly he had to say, john. >> the voice was fine. what did i say wrong in those recordings? i didn't even see the recording. all i know is i did nothing wrong. we had a lot of papers, a lot of papers, stacked up, in fact, you could hear the rustle of the paper and nobody said i did anything wrong other than the fake news, which of course is fox, too. >> reporter: now, i want to note, john, that we have reached out to the trump campaign and tried to ask him exactly what he was referring to when he talked about having these copies of plans because, as we know, prosecutors have demanded that he not just turn over the original documents that he may have had in his possession, but also any copies of those. so we're still trying to get answers on what exactly donald trump was referring to, but i think it's really notable how his response has been changing. yes, he cont

information that he was delkinen hs havingg about was ay declassified, or was it what he toldcl bret baerthat it was a news article there? or is it either or or is it both? both?don't know. >> and here's what i do know. the clip they put out doesn't answer that question . it says is president trump said, hey, look, if i was president, i can declassify a classified document. and when you're nodeclt preside, you can't. only the president can do that. what does that say't. c? well, it says exactly what dualh system of justice we're living in. that's what i heard. that'se dualm we what i saw. and i would and by the way, all we know is that in the indictment itself, there was no iran documents named as part of it.that just want the american public to realize that that document that they claiming dy had was part of the indictment. this is desperate times and desperatis ie measures by people that found it. have they what documented? >> they talk. that's what they're saying it was. but that was not part of the indictment. it doesn't make sense because it's a lie. it's a ruse. they aret of thedict

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